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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #510 on: 24 November 2021, 19:10:32 »
Guys, this isn't a random chat thread.  Feedback or questions, or take it to another thread please.
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« Reply #511 on: 28 November 2021, 23:57:18 »
Thunderbolt C 2 has a lot of extra “ after it’s movement number.


Xotl: Fixed, thanks!
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« Reply #512 on: 29 November 2021, 10:57:55 »
Kyudo KY2-D-03
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1852/kyudo-ky2-d-03

The model is still avaible to the Duchy of Andurien up to the Dark Ages, but Lopez, the planet that had the Irian factory that made the mech, got destroyed in 3081. Maybe the retrotech variant plant in Xanthe III got upgraded?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #513 on: 29 November 2021, 11:52:05 »
Just because something is available for a long time doesn’t mean it was in production (see the whitworth and Clint). They just took care of the ones that they had

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« Reply #514 on: 29 November 2021, 13:20:16 »
Just because something is available for a long time doesn’t mean it was in production (see the whitworth and Clint). They just took care of the ones that they had

I get what you mean. But on the other part, both the Clint and Whitworth had 205 and 22 years of production, versus the 7 years of the Kyudo -03. Those anduarians surely know how to keep their Kyudos working!  :)
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« Reply #515 on: 30 November 2021, 14:25:26 »
Some units were added to comstar's late-era availabilities. This was premature and are being removed. Apologies for any confusion or getting anyone's hopes up. Some will be added eventually but not the list I originally was using

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« Reply #516 on: 01 December 2021, 16:15:59 »
Kit Fox G unit card is missing ECM.

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« Reply #517 on: 01 December 2021, 16:39:19 »
Thank you, fixed.
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« Reply #518 on: 01 December 2021, 17:02:50 »
Wusun C omnifighter has a special of BOMB3 where every other variant of the chassis has BOMB2.

Also not sure how it has the PRB/RCN specials

I think this got lost in the wash. Ignore the PRB part I think (I don’t have the record sheet at hand)

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« Reply #519 on: 04 December 2021, 16:34:29 »
Is there anyway to search for OmniVehicles that I'm missing? There's a OmniMech and OmniFighter under the subtypes, but not for vehicles?

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« Reply #520 on: 04 December 2021, 17:00:00 »
Is there anyway to search for OmniVehicles that I'm missing? There's a OmniMech and OmniFighter under the subtypes, but not for vehicles?

Excellent question! The short answer is not in the way you want to

Longer answer: Each unit has a type and a subtype in the database. For mechs and aerofighters, it’s a binary proposition - it’s either BattleMech or OmniMech in the case of mechs, for example.

Vehicles use the subtype to show their movement mode, be it tracked, hover, wheeled, VTOL, etc. In order to make omnivees searchable, you’d have to add Omnivehicle - Tracked and so on. So to search for all omnivees you’d have to select all of them from the subtype submenu. Cumbersome, though not completely awful. We briefly discussed the option months ago but didn’t make any decisions.

In this case, the workaround might actually be better. Each omni unit has a config called <Base> that represents the unit as a whole regardless of config (it saves a LOT of space on internal production notes). Under the units tab, if you set the unit type to combat vehicle (and / or support vee) and Base> in the unit name text box, it will show you all of the chassis that are omnivees (don’t use <base> or <base because the MUL will think you’re trying to inject code and freak out)


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« Reply #521 on: 04 December 2021, 17:03:04 »
Or search for vehicles and enter OMNI in the AS specials search.
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« Reply #522 on: 04 December 2021, 17:06:08 »
Bah of course I forgot the even easier way!

It should probably be how people search for omnis in general

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« Reply #523 on: 08 December 2021, 08:23:46 »
The Shadow Hawk 3H is a Star-League-era variant in the MUL,
http://masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5037/shadow-hawk-shd-3h
However, it does not have any info on Sarna.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Shadow_Hawk#Variants
What is this thing? It isn't the Royal 2Hb variant. I'd like to have another opportunity for a pre-clan era Shadow Hawk to not be total garbage, so I'm curious...

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« Reply #524 on: 08 December 2021, 10:35:24 »
it was referenced long, long ago in a TCI model kit that used BattleDroids construction rules. It dropped the SRM-2 and added an MG (it was a half ton underweight). it shouldn't have been publicly viewable and has been hidden for the sake of everyone's sanity. Pretend it doesn't exist

Update: there's more to this under the surface that was added later and it left a messy paper trail. We'll announce any changes if / when they are made
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« Reply #525 on: 08 December 2021, 22:07:16 »
Ok, I think I have finished going down my Jihad TRO/production rabbit hole! Here's the remaining errata I think I came across:

Aerospace:
Union-X (3071) DS and Claymore (std) DS -- both were produced at Shipil Co. of Skye, so should probably have RotS availability from Early Republic forward [TRO 3067, TRO 3057, respectively, with Claymore V3 not available until 3086 and Claymore Interceptor a refit.]
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5763/union-x-3071
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3958/claymore-standard

Light Strike Fighter "Angel" (upgrade or standard, fluff not clear) -- Magistracy of Canopus and Outworlds Alliance should have access during Jihad era, according to Obj-Periphery (p. 18 for MoC) and Obj-Clans  (p. 21 for OA).
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1871/light-strike-fighter-angel-upgrade
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1870/light-strike-fighter-angel


Here are a couple Mechs where I think maybe the wrong faction was selected by accident:
Pack Hunter II 2-- availability should be Wolves-in-Exile, not Steel Viper, during Jihad  (produced by WiE and no real contact between the 2 at that point, and all other eras/variants have WiE)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2397/pack-hunter-ii-2
Rabid Coyote 2 -- should availability be Coyotes, not Wolves? (Wolves don't have access to the standard version, didn't produce, and didn't have much contact with Coyotes at this time for a field refit)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5682/rabid-coyote-2


Canis 2 -- has intro date of 3071 but is available in Clan Invasion and Civil War eras (no variants listed in TRO 3060, so Intro date is likely correct)
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/460/canis-2


The following long list of Omni configurations were introduced during the Jihad, have similar, earlier configurations available to HW-Clans General during the Jihad, but these configurations are not available to them during the Jihad. The fact that most are also available to IS-General and otherwise have similar availability as the other configurations makes me think these were likely accidental omissions.

It also might be worth checking all Clan Omnis from TRCI, TRO3050U, TRO3055U, or TRO3058U with Intro date in [3068,3080], but I think I caught all of them here:
Dasher F, K
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/843/dasher-fire-moth-f
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/845/dasher-fire-moth-k
Uller F
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3345/uller-kit-fox-f
Puma J
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2597/puma-adder-j
Hankyu E
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1382/hankyu-arctic-cheetah-e
Dragonfly F G, I
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/922/dragonfly-viper-f
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/923/dragonfly-viper-g
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/925/dragonfly-viper-i
Fenris L
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1052/fenris-ice-ferret-l
Black Hawk F
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/340/black-hawk-nova-f
Ryoken F, G
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2754/ryoken-stormcrow-f
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2755/ryoken-stormcrow-g
Vulture E, F
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3470/vulture-mad-dog-e
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3471/vulture-mad-dog-f
Cauldron-Born E
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/494/cauldron-born-ebon-jaguar-e
[Loki D, E
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1926/loki-hellbringer-d
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1927/loki-hellbringer-e
Thor G, HH
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3179/thor-summoner-g
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3181/thor-summoner-hh
Mad Cat F
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1983/mad-cat-timber-wolf-f
Man O' War G, M
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2007/man-o-war-gargoyle-g
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2009/man-o-war-gargoyle-m
Gladiator K, P
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1209/gladiator-executioner-k
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1210/gladiator-executioner-p
Kingfisher F
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1784/kingfisher-f
Daishi D
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/816/daishi-dire-wolf-d







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« Reply #526 on: 09 December 2021, 00:19:51 »
Once again thank you for your thorough contributions. I've started cross-checking your finds with the internal notes.

You beat me to the punch on the omni config inconsistencies - it was near the top of my list to look through. Generally non-unique configs should be available to anyone who fields the <Base> chassis so we'll have to see if there are any exceptions being enforced here.






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« Reply #527 on: 09 December 2021, 14:22:31 »
For the AS Force Builder, is it possible to have a drop down for squad size of infantry? As different squad sizes have different PV and A/S pips.
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« Reply #528 on: 09 December 2021, 14:54:39 »
At this time it is not. Apologies for the inconvenience.

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« Reply #529 on: 09 December 2021, 22:01:12 »
Once again thank you for your thorough contributions. I've started cross-checking your finds with the internal notes.

You beat me to the punch on the omni config inconsistencies - it was near the top of my list to look through. Generally non-unique configs should be available to anyone who fields the <Base> chassis so we'll have to see if there are any exceptions being enforced here.

Great!  :thumbsup:

If it helps, I excluded all the Wars-of-Reaving Z's and the underwarter U's (many of which came about post-Reaving), and didn't really include a config unless I could find a Clan Invasion/Civil War config for the Omni with HW-Clan availability, so hopefully that makes the x-referencing easier.

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« Reply #530 on: 10 December 2021, 09:27:48 »
Just a question:

The Toro TR-A-6 is listed as CP and FR since Late Republic onwards (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/3277/toro-tr-a-6) but FM: 3145, pg. 222 put it in the TC RAT. So, its will also go to the TC, or it keeps as CP/FR?

Just to add, it was stated that the model was back in production in the DA, with the subtext that it was in the TC (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/ask-the-writers/status-of-the-tr-a-6-toro/msg1485281/#msg1485281).
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« Reply #531 on: 10 December 2021, 10:08:49 »
It is not being produced in the TC

RAT contents are not necessarily indicative of MUL standards for availability

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« Reply #532 on: 10 December 2021, 10:17:20 »
It is not being produced in the TC

RAT contents are not necessarily indicative of MUL standards for availability

roger that! thanks.
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« Reply #533 on: 10 December 2021, 11:32:32 »
the second part of my answer was truncated - we're looking into whether the RAT is applicable here

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« Reply #534 on: 11 December 2021, 01:55:35 »
Jade Phoenix E doesn’t show the AS stat card.

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« Reply #535 on: 11 December 2021, 02:04:42 »
helps if I tell the MUL what kind of unit it is...

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« Reply #536 on: 11 December 2021, 02:31:35 »
I get that it's probably a low priority, but is there any chance AS cards for TRO Irregulars units could get added to the to-do list, please?
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« Reply #537 on: 11 December 2021, 02:35:57 »
huh. looks like Mordel has all the stats over on his site. if the boss approves this will take a lot less time than expected

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« Reply #538 on: 11 December 2021, 05:26:40 »
Sometimes the tonnage in the AS print out does not match the tonnage listed in the actual builder section.

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« Reply #539 on: 11 December 2021, 11:46:06 »
Should the Thunderbolt TDR-5S (Maeve) exist now? RG:ilClan, v15 p. 9 puts her in a TDR-9W during the Dragoon Civil War, which is the era covered in Wolf Pack.

 

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