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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #600 on: 09 January 2022, 13:22:33 »
The Notos series of Mechs are listed here: https://bg.battletech.com/forums/errata/master-unit-list-mul-feedback-thread-iii-read-the-first-post/570/?action=post;last_msg=1795122

I've noticed that both Mordel.net and MechFactory calculate slightly different BVs.  I will show the Mordel.net calcs here in case you would like to double-check the official values on MUL:

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Battle Value Breakdown

Name/Model:         Notos A
Technology:         Clan
Tonnage:            60
Configuration:      QuadVee OmniMech

=================================================================================================
Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Standard):                             200 x 2.5 x 1                500.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 107 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)    120.375  =   620.375
  Gyro (Standard):                              60 x 0.5              (+)     30.000  =   650.375
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +3                    (*)       1.30  =   845.488
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                            845.488

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                             
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 8 (Weapons) = 16                             
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 20                                                267.000             
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 20 (Ammo 6)                                (+)     33.000  =   300.000
       Hyper-Assault Gauss 20 (Ammo 6)                                (+)     33.000  =   333.000
       ER Small Laser                                                 (+)     31.000  =   364.000
       ER Small Laser                                                 (+)     31.000  =   395.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     60.000  =   455.000
  Speed Factor:                                 8 (Run) + 0 (Jump)    (*)      1.370  =   623.350
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                            623.350

=================================================================================================
BattleMech Battle Value
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                   845.488             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)    623.350  = 1,468.838
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                              1,469

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Name/Model:         Notos B
Technology:         Clan
Tonnage:            60
Configuration:      QuadVee OmniMech

=================================================================================================
Defensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Armor (Standard):                             200 x 2.5 x 1                500.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 107 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)    120.375  =   620.375
  Gyro (Standard):                              60 x 0.5              (+)     30.000  =   650.375
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +3                    (*)       1.30  =   845.488
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                            845.488

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                             
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 20 (Weapons) = 4                             
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       LRM 15                                                                164.000             
       LRM 15                                                         (+)    164.000  =   328.000
       ER Medium Laser                                                (+)    108.000  =   436.000
       ER Medium Laser                                                (+)    108.000  =   544.000
       LRM 15 (Ammo 8)                                                (+)     21.000  =   565.000
       LRM 15 (Ammo 8)                                                (+)     21.000  =   586.000
       LRM 15 (Ammo 8)                                                (+)     21.000  =   607.000
       LRM 15 (Ammo 8)                                                (+)     21.000  =   628.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     60.000  =   688.000
  Speed Factor:                                 8 (Run) + 0 (Jump)    (*)      1.370  =   942.560
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                            942.560

=================================================================================================
BattleMech Battle Value
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                   845.488             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)    942.560  = 1,788.048
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                              1,788

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Name/Model:         Notos C
Technology:         Clan
Tonnage:            60
Configuration:      QuadVee OmniMech

=================================================================================================
Defensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Armor (Standard):                             200 x 2.5 x 1                500.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 107 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)    120.375  =   620.375
  Gyro (Standard):                              60 x 0.5              (+)     30.000  =   650.375
  Defensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Active Probe                                                   (+)     12.000  =   662.375
       ECM Suite                                                      (+)     61.000  =   723.375
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +3                    (*)       1.30  =   940.388
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                            940.388

=================================================================================================
Offensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Heat Efficiency: Unit is inefficient                                                           
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 28 (Weapons) = -4                           
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Improved Heavy Medium Laser                                            93.000             
       Improved Heavy Medium Laser                                    (+)     93.000  =   186.000
       SRM 6                                                          (+)     59.000  =   245.000
       SRM 6                                                          (+)     59.000  =   304.000
       SRM 6                                                          (+)     59.000  =   363.000
       AP Gauss Rifle                           [Inefficient]         (+)     10.500  =   373.500
       AP Gauss Rifle                           [Inefficient]         (+)     10.500  =   384.000
       SRM 6 (Ammo 15)                                                (+)      7.000  =   391.000
       SRM 6 (Ammo 15)                                                (+)      7.000  =   398.000
       AP Gauss Rifle (Ammo 40)                                       (+)      3.000  =   401.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     60.000  =   461.000
  Speed Factor:                                 8 (Run) + 0 (Jump)    (*)      1.370  =   631.570
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                            631.570

=================================================================================================
BattleMech Battle Value
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                   940.388             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)    631.570  = 1,571.958
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                              1,572

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Name/Model:         Notos D
Technology:         Clan
Tonnage:            60
Configuration:      QuadVee OmniMech

=================================================================================================
Defensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Armor (Standard):                             200 x 2.5 x 1                500.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 107 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)    120.375  =   620.375
  Gyro (Standard):                              60 x 0.5              (+)     30.000  =   650.375
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +3                    (*)       1.30  =   845.488
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                            845.488

=================================================================================================
Offensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                             
        6 (Base) + 26 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 24 (Weapons) = 6                             
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       ER Large Laser                                                        310.000             
       ER Large Laser                                                 (+)    310.000  =   620.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     60.000  =   680.000
  Speed Factor:                                 8 (Run) + 0 (Jump)    (*)      1.370  =   931.600
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                            931.600

=================================================================================================
BattleMech Battle Value
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                   845.488             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)    931.600  = 1,777.088
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                              1,777

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Name/Model:         Notos PRIME
Technology:         Clan
Tonnage:            60
Configuration:      QuadVee OmniMech

=================================================================================================
Defensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Armor (Standard):                             200 x 2.5 x 1                500.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 107 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.75  (+)    120.375  =   620.375
  Gyro (Standard):                              60 x 0.5              (+)     30.000  =   650.375
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +4                    (*)       1.40  =   910.525
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                            910.525

=================================================================================================
Offensive Battle Rating
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                             
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 20 (Weapons) = 4                             
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       Medium Pulse Laser                                                    138.750             
       Medium Pulse Laser                                             (+)    138.750  =   277.500
       Medium Pulse Laser                                             (+)    138.750  =   416.250
       Medium Pulse Laser                                             (+)    138.750  =   555.000
       Medium Pulse Laser                                             (+)    138.750  =   693.750
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                (+)     60.000  =   753.750
  Speed Factor:                                 10 (Run) + 0 (Jump)   (*)      1.630  = 1,228.613
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                          1,228.613

=================================================================================================
BattleMech Battle Value
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                   910.525             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                            (+)  1,228.613  = 2,139.138
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                              2,139

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #601 on: 09 January 2022, 21:15:53 »
I don't know if this is an issue or error, per se, but the Centurion's art is terrible in the sense that it looks like it was shrunk in Paint and then blown back up:

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #602 on: 09 January 2022, 21:58:40 »
the RS in the recguide didn't come out the best. fortunately, a cleaner version existed


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #603 on: 09 January 2022, 22:03:19 »
I've noticed that both Mordel.net and MechFactory calculate slightly different BVs.  I will show the Mordel.net calcs here in case you would like to double-check the official values on MUL:

Looks like both Mordel and the current version of MML are in the right here.
From what I see, the old Notos values were calculated using the unit's max MP (AKA, it's 6/9 vehicular movement profile) instead of its max 'Mech MP (being 5/8).

Notos BV values have been updated accordingly.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #604 on: 10 January 2022, 01:44:49 »
Possible Errata:

BLK-NT-5H is 75 tons and has a Light fusion Engine.  Conversion rules state that is should have 4 structure, but MUL cars has it with 3 structure. 

Possible fix:  change structure to four pips.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #605 on: 10 January 2022, 04:06:03 »
Actually, you can scratch this one as not errata. I didn't notice that the Atlas C was retconned to be around since the Golden Century (pretty sure it was 3050 pre-Rec Guide), so the dates are all consistent. Sorry about that...  :-[

You are correct, but this does introduce another complication.

The Atlas C is now a refit of the base Atlas from 2830.  However, as it currently stands the Clans didn't have any Atlases to upgrade at that time.  It wasn't a problem when it was just being used to upgrade captured IS Atlases.  I'd also note that the text specifically calls out "most Atlases and Atlas IIs in Clan space", so it's not just an Atlas II refit..  Should there be availability of the Atlas for some or all of the Clans during the Early Succession Wars era?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #606 on: 10 January 2022, 08:48:20 »
BLK-NT-5H is 75 tons and has a Light fusion Engine.  Conversion rules state that is should have 4 structure, but MUL cars has it with 3 structure. 

Possible fix:  change structure to four pips.

Thank, you, fixed!

The Atlas C is now a refit of the base Atlas from 2830.  However, as it currently stands the Clans didn't have any Atlases to upgrade at that time.  It wasn't a problem when it was just being used to upgrade captured IS Atlases.  I'd also note that the text specifically calls out "most Atlases and Atlas IIs in Clan space", so it's not just an Atlas II refit..  Should there be availability of the Atlas for some or all of the Clans during the Early Succession Wars era?

Very true. Fixed!
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #607 on: 10 January 2022, 16:27:30 »
Hi,

The Blade XS is listed as BV 944 - http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/392/blade-bld-xs

The Record Sheet on p. 97 of Record Sheets 3085 Cutting Edge shows the BV as 1000.  The calculations from Mordel.net and MechFactory both come up with 1000 so you may wish to check that one.  I'm attaching the Mordel calcs for your reference.

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Battle Value Breakdown

Name/Model:         Blade BLD-XS
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Tonnage:            35
Configuration:      Biped BattleMech

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Light Ferro-Fibrous):                  118 x 2.5 x 1               295.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 58 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5   (+)     43.500  =   338.500
  Gyro (XL):                                    35 x 0.5             (+)     17.500  =   356.000
  Explosive Ammunition:                         1 Critical Space     (-)     15.000  =   341.000
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +4                   (*)       1.40  =   477.400
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                           477.400

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                           
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 13 (Weapons) = 11                           
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                         
       Autocannon/10                                                        123.000             
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   185.000
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   247.000
       Autocannon/10 (Ammo 10)                                       (+)     15.000  =   262.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                               (+)     35.000  =   297.000
  Speed Factor:                                 11 (Run) + 0 (Jump)  (*)      1.760  =   522.720
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                           522.720

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                  477.400             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                           (+)    522.720  = 1,000.120
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                             1,000

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #608 on: 10 January 2022, 16:38:09 »
Hi,

The Blade XS is listed as BV 944 - http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/392/blade-bld-xs

The Record Sheet on p. 97 of Record Sheets 3085 Cutting Edge shows the BV as 1000.  The calculations from Mordel.net and MechFactory both come up with 1000 so you may wish to check that one.  I'm attaching the Mordel calcs for your reference.

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Battle Value Breakdown

Name/Model:         Blade BLD-XS
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Tonnage:            35
Configuration:      Biped BattleMech

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Light Ferro-Fibrous):                  118 x 2.5 x 1               295.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ XL Engine): 58 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5   (+)     43.500  =   338.500
  Gyro (XL):                                    35 x 0.5             (+)     17.500  =   356.000
  Explosive Ammunition:                         1 Critical Space     (-)     15.000  =   341.000
  Defensive Movement Factor:                    +4                   (*)       1.40  =   477.400
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                           477.400

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                           
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) - 13 (Weapons) = 11                           
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                         
       Autocannon/10                                                        123.000             
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   185.000
       ER Medium Laser                                               (+)     62.000  =   247.000
       Autocannon/10 (Ammo 10)                                       (+)     15.000  =   262.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                               (+)     35.000  =   297.000
  Speed Factor:                                 11 (Run) + 0 (Jump)  (*)      1.760  =   522.720
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                           522.720

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                  477.400             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                           (+)    522.720  = 1,000.120
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                             1,000

Thanks

In this case here---barring additional errata for TRO3085:S---the MUL is correct. The RS for the Blade XS in RS3085CE was incorrect, as the TRO stated that the variant used standard medium lasers instead of ERs.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #609 on: 10 January 2022, 21:19:31 »
ilClan Recognition Guide Vol 23 has this paragraph about Wolf's Dragoons fielding multiple Fujins under the Battle History section of the Fujin lore page.

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The Fujin proved its worth to Wolf’s Dragoons on New Avalon in 3146 after the Second Robinson Rangers broke through the New Avalon blockade. Gamma Regiment slammed headlong into the Rangers. Dragoon Fujins shrugged off Ranger autocannon shells as they plowed through their lines. The Rangers were devastated.

However, it isn't listed under Wolf's Dragoon's Dark Age options, only Draconis Combine?

Is this quote enough to merit an entry?

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #610 on: 10 January 2022, 22:09:49 »
In this case, yes. I had meant to add them to the list, and it quite simply slipped my mind.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #611 on: 11 January 2022, 18:01:02 »
The BNC-12S Banshee is listed as being Advanced rules level.  Per the record sheet in Recognition Guide 17, it should be Standard rules level.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #612 on: 11 January 2022, 21:09:39 »
The BNC-12S Banshee is listed as being Advanced rules level.  Per the record sheet in Recognition Guide 17, it should be Standard rules level.

Thank you, fixed.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #613 on: 12 January 2022, 02:29:42 »
Tunnel Rat I Mining Exoskeleton [Armored Glove] (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/5303/tunnel-rat-i-mining-exoskeleton-armored-glove) Faction Availability has listed for the Jihad (3068 - 3080) - IS Clan General.
I believe this is in error on account that for the Eras before and after are Inner Sphere General and I do not find in the fluff of TRVAr any reference for it to be used by the IS Clans.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #614 on: 12 January 2022, 02:32:40 »
yup. simple data entry error. the two are directly next to each other on the list.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #615 on: 12 January 2022, 12:15:54 »
Some of these types of things are used as an analog for a similar but unspecifed unit.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #616 on: 13 January 2022, 03:17:10 »
Gray Death Scout Suit (Standard) (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1275/gray-death-scout-suit-standard)
and
Gray Death Standard Suit [MG] (http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/1279/gray-death-standard-suit-mg)

In both on the Early Republic (3081 - 3100) has listed Lyran Alliance when it should be Lyran Commonwealth.
Reasoning: Lyran Alliance no longer exists in 3081-3100, it has been replaced back with Lyran Commonwealth.


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #617 on: 13 January 2022, 04:14:40 »
for many years the Jihad was set to end on the MUL in 3085. The name changes back from Lyran Alliance to Lyran Commonwealth in 3084 so there wasn't much to consider. To match published materials, we recently moved the end of the Jihad to 3080, which means the LA now exists for a small window in the Early Republic. This also happened to the Outworlds Alliance before it merged with the Ravens. Therefore, like the clan invasion, the LA will need to be added in addition to the LC for all Lyran units available during that hangover. Ugh. [I have been mercifully informed that this is not a necessary step. Just use the LC list for those overhang years. There are, however, about a hundred units that have only LA tags for Early Republic so those need to be switched out. All in all a win for organization]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention



 

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #618 on: 14 January 2022, 07:24:32 »
Thanks for looking into it.


One thing I find odd is that for many of the Elemental Battle Armors the Introduction Date is 28xx, but the factions availability list only starts on Clan Invasion (3050 - 3061). I really do not know enough to say if this is incorrect or not, I just find it strange.


Examples:
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/961/elemental-battle-armor-mg
http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/958/elemental-battle-armor-flamer
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #619 on: 14 January 2022, 08:10:47 »
One thing I find odd is that for many of the Elemental Battle Armors the Introduction Date is 28xx, but the factions availability list only starts on Clan Invasion (3050 - 3061). I really do not know enough to say if this is incorrect or not, I just find it strange.

We have yet to set availabilities for Clan units first introduced in the Early Succession Wars era.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #620 on: 14 January 2022, 09:12:41 »
To add to that: Figuring out the early clan years has been A Process™️ and there is no eta as it is a very laborious task. That said, we are very pleased to tackle it as it is the final major hole in availability.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #621 on: 14 January 2022, 11:32:06 »
Thank you for the information and all your work.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #622 on: 14 January 2022, 15:18:30 »
I believe there is a strong case for adding the Linebacker to the Lyran Commonwealth in the Dark Age era.
It's produced in Donegal in the same factory that produces the Sojourner, Puma and Fenris all available to the Lyrans. 

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #623 on: 15 January 2022, 10:16:25 »
Hi,
The Revenant UBM-2R7 is from 3145U p 375 of the PDF and here: http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/6717/revenant-ubm-2r7

The listed BV is 460.  I notice that Mordel.net and MechFactory both calculated 472 so I wanted to offer Mordel calcs below in case you want to double-check this one.
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                 Battle Value Breakdown

Name/Model:         Revenant UBM-2R7
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Tonnage:            30
Configuration:      Quad BattleMech

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Standard):                                 96 x 2.5 x 1               240.000             
  Internal Structure (Endo Steel w/ Fusion Engine): 55 x 1.5 x 1 x 1    (+)     82.500  =   322.500
  Gyro (Standard):                                  30 x 0.5            (+)     15.000  =   337.500
  Defensive Equipment:                                                                             
       Bridgelayer, Medium                                              (+)     10.000  =   347.500
  Defensive Movement Factor:                        +3                  (*)       1.30  =   451.750
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                              451.750

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                               
        6 (Base) + 20 (Heat Sinks) - 2 (Movement) = 24                                             
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                  (+)     30.000  =    30.000
  Speed Factor:                                     9 (Run) + 0 (Jump)  (*)      1.500  =    45.000
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                               45.000

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                     451.750             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                              (+)     45.000  =   496.750
  Cockpit (Small, Drone):                                               (*)       0.95  =   471.913
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                                  472


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #624 on: 15 January 2022, 11:53:17 »
Hi,
I was looking at the BVs for both Mjolinirs:
-B2 (655 BV) : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2194/mjolnir-mlr-b2
-BX (597 BV) : http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2195/mjolnir-mlr-bx
the record sheets are found in 3085 Cutting Edge pp. 87-88  .  The equipment listed on these sheets seems correct per the language in the 3085 TRO p .60

Both Mordel.net and MechFactory calculated 670 and 612 for the -B2 and -Bx, respectively.  I will add the Mordel calcs below in case you want to double-check the values:

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Name/Model:         Mjolnir MLR-B2
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Tonnage:            25
Configuration:      Biped BattleMech

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Ferro-Fibrous):                          80 x 2.5 x 1                200.000             
  Internal Structure (Standard w/ Fusion Engine): 43 x 1.5 x 1 x 1     (+)     64.500  =   264.500
  Gyro (Standard):                                25 x 0.5             (+)     12.500  =   277.000
  Defensive Movement Factor:                      +4                   (*)       1.40  =   387.800
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                             387.800

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                             
        6 (Base) + 10 (Heat Sinks) - 6 (Movement) - 7 (Weapons) = 3                               
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                           
       ER Medium Laser                                                         62.000             
       ER Small Laser                                                  (+)     17.000  =    79.000
       Mace                                                            (+)     14.000  =    93.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                                 (+)     37.500  =   130.500
  Speed Factor:                                   11 (Run) + 3 (Jump)  (*)      2.160  =   281.880
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                             281.880

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                    387.800             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                             (+)    281.880  =   669.680
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                                 670


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Name/Model:         Mjolnir MLR-BX
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Tonnage:            25
Configuration:      Biped BattleMech

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Ferro-Fibrous):                      80 x 2.5 x 1                200.000             
  Internal Structure (Standard w/ XL Engine): 43 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5   (+)     32.250  =   232.250
  Gyro (XL):                                  25 x 0.5             (+)     12.500  =   244.750
  Explosive Ammunition:                       1 Critical Space     (-)     15.000  =   229.750
  Defensive Movement Factor:                  +4                   (*)       1.40  =   321.650
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                         321.650

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is efficient                                                         
        6 (Base) + 10 (Heat Sinks) - 6 (Movement) - 6 (Weapons) = 4                           
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                       
       SRM 4                                                               39.000             
       SRM 4                                                       (+)     39.000  =    78.000
       Mace                                                        (+)     14.000  =    92.000
       SRM 4 (Ammo 25)                                             (+)      5.000  =    97.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                             (+)     37.500  =   134.500
  Speed Factor:                               11 (Run) + 3 (Jump)  (*)      2.160  =   290.520
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                         290.520

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                321.650             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                         (+)    290.520  =   612.170
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                             612


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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #625 on: 15 January 2022, 17:13:57 »
The Nightsky NGS-6T is listed as BV 1430 - http://www.masterunitlist.info/Unit/Details/2284/nightsky-ngs-6t
The record sheet is in 3085U - ONN, page 80 of the PDF.

I notice that  Mordel.net and MechFactory calculate the BV as 1462.  I will add the Mordel calcs here in case you would like to double-check the BV:

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Name/Model:         Nightsky NGS-6T
Technology:         Inner Sphere
Tonnage:            50
Configuration:      Biped BattleMech

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Defensive Battle Rating
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  Armor (Standard):                           152 x 2.5 x 1               380.000             
  Internal Structure (Standard w/ XL Engine): 83 x 1.5 x 1 x 0.5   (+)     62.250  =   442.250
  Gyro (Standard):                            50 x 0.5             (+)     25.000  =   467.250
  Defensive Movement Factor:                  +4                   (*)       1.40  =   654.150
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Final Defensive Battle Rating:                                                         654.150

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Offensive Battle Rating
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  Heat Efficiency: Unit is inefficient                                                       
        6 (Base) + 22 (Heat Sinks) - 6 (Movement) - 25 (Weapons) = -3                         
  Offensive Equipment:                                                                       
       Large Pulse Laser                                                  119.000             
       ER Medium Laser                                             (+)     62.000  =   181.000
       Medium Pulse Laser                                          (+)     48.000  =   229.000
       Hatchet                                                     (+)     30.000  =   259.000
       ER Small Laser                                              (+)     17.000  =   276.000
       ER Small Laser                                              (+)     17.000  =   293.000
       Small Pulse Laser                      [Inefficient]        (+)      6.000  =   299.000
  Total 'Mech Tonnage:                                             (+)     75.000  =   374.000
  Speed Factor:                               11 (Run) + 3 (Jump)  (*)      2.160  =   807.840
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Final Offensive Battle Rating:                                                         807.840

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BattleMech Battle Value
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  Defensive Battle Rating:                                                654.150             
  Offensive Battle Rating:                                         (+)    807.840  = 1,461.990
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Final BattleMech Battle Value:                                                           1,462

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #626 on: 15 January 2022, 17:51:52 »
Thank you! All of the above has been confirmed and corrected.
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #627 on: 17 January 2022, 00:58:26 »
I believe there is a strong case for adding the Linebacker to the Lyran Commonwealth in the Dark Age era.
It's produced in Donegal in the same factory that produces the Sojourner, Puma and Fenris all available to the Lyrans.

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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #628 on: 17 January 2022, 03:35:50 »
Question which may be out of scope - is there a reason why the Hunter Assault Tank (20-ton wheeled vehicle with PPC in turret) has not been added to the MUL, while other non-mainline units such as the Falcon, LTV-4, and Weapons Carrier A have made the cut?
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #629 on: 17 January 2022, 11:38:06 »
I was going through the Coyotes unit access and noticed they were missing the Grendel (Mongrel.) It’s listed on page 172, Clan Coyote Medium Frontline RAT in 1998’s Field Manual: Warden Clans.  It doesn’t show up in 2003s Field Manual: Updates RATs (12 slot replaced by the Rabid Coyote) or 2012s The Wars of Reaving: Supplemental (expanded RAT style.).

I didn’t know if this was an error, oversight, or intentional!  Thanks!