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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #870 on: 18 June 2022, 17:24:05 »
'Mech availabilities have and will always ebb and flow for each faction within each era.

In this case, the Falcons have split into three "subfactions" of sorts. The intent behind the current distribution is to give each list a unique yet recognizable flavor, while also refreshing and streamlining their lists to reflect what each military might look like after the massive material/manpower losses that were suffered.

With that said, the SLDF factions are still in flux, and may see further evolution as more material comes out.
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« Reply #871 on: 19 June 2022, 00:36:19 »
Per the Battle of Tukayyid sourcebook, Royal variants of mechs like the Highlander and Shadow Hawk were present in the Comguard's forces.  However, they are not presently listed as being available to Comster during the Clan Invasion era.  Should they be or are they considered too rare to count?
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« Reply #872 on: 19 June 2022, 16:01:41 »
No plans for now.

Fair enough, if I was to do a force for the Confederation would I use the Periphery General or Pirate list?

Also should there be a Marauder variant on one or both of the above lists? Both have a Marauder II listed but none of the original design.

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« Reply #873 on: 19 June 2022, 16:04:25 »
Pirates are part of periphery general so both

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« Reply #874 on: 19 June 2022, 16:23:23 »
Pirates are part of periphery general so both

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« Reply #875 on: 19 June 2022, 16:39:30 »
Hm. Yes. I've added Pirate to the Red Hunter as well, since his career path appears to be a bit complicated.
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« Reply #876 on: 20 June 2022, 08:46:19 »
Just out of curiosity:
The Ares Superheavies are available for both Davion and Marik in the IlClan era. I thought these Mechs were not that widely available, only produced on Terra and all either destroyed on Terra or captured by the Wolves (and kind of "handled" by the Foxes). Or are the Foxes now selling these IS wide?

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« Reply #877 on: 20 June 2022, 09:23:10 »
To quote a classic BattleTech expression: time will tell.

But, as always, it's important to remember that ilClan availabilities are still in flux.
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« Reply #878 on: 21 June 2022, 04:25:12 »
I have noticed an odd thing while looking at the Phoenix Hawk availability.

PXH-3D and PXH-3S used shift to a limited availability in Late Republic then extinct in Dark Ages.  However, both of them now have Scorpion Empire availability in Dark Ages and IlClan eras.  The only other access that the Scorpinos have to Phoenix Hawks is the good old PXH-1.  There doesn't seem to be an easy source of these models to Scorpion territory, the out-of-production Federated suns variant especially so.
I think these may have been added in error.

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« Reply #879 on: 21 June 2022, 07:16:12 »
There are a few others like that on the Scorpion list---they're all tied to their conquest and assimilation of the Hanseatic worlds.
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« Reply #880 on: 22 June 2022, 02:38:19 »
I had spotted those, but it seemed especially out of place for a design across the other side of the sphere.  All the other ones I've found so far were either generically available or originated in Lyran space, the nearest IS state.  Or is this an example of convergent design evolution?

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« Reply #881 on: 22 June 2022, 09:33:46 »
The Goshawk II 2 and Goshawk II 3 are both listed as "Standard" tech level, but shouldn't they be "Advanced" and "Experimental" based on their introduction date?
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« Reply #882 on: 22 June 2022, 13:15:53 »
The Goshawk II 2 and Goshawk II 3 are both listed as "Standard" tech level, but shouldn't they be "Advanced" and "Experimental" based on their introduction date?
2 is standard as ER Flamer is TL circa '81. Armored Components are Advanced circa '83.

At least going by TRO Prototypes tech advancement table, don't think it has been erratad anywhere?
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« Reply #883 on: 22 June 2022, 13:55:30 »
More a technical issue than anything, but has anyone else noticed that the image host for the unit art has been really slow lately?
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« Reply #884 on: 22 June 2022, 14:14:25 »
it has bad days. today is definitely one of them

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« Reply #885 on: 22 June 2022, 14:15:55 »
Any particular reason why the MUL relies on a 3rd-party image host specifically for unit art, come to think?
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« Reply #886 on: 22 June 2022, 14:28:02 »
it's free

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« Reply #887 on: 22 June 2022, 14:31:43 »
it's free
I mean- sure but... you're already paying for the MUL servers? You already have loads of graphics on there?
Granted, I can understand storage space being a concern, and it is a lot of images, but I know for a fact they're also not particularly high-resolution.
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« Reply #888 on: 22 June 2022, 14:33:19 »
this has been reviewed internally.

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« Reply #889 on: 22 June 2022, 14:36:32 »
this has been reviewed internally.
Fair enough. I'm sure TPTB have their reasons.
With that, [/topic].
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Re: Master Unit List (MUL) Feedback Thread III - READ THE FIRST POST
« Reply #890 on: 23 June 2022, 10:30:10 »
Missing from the MUL, Auxiliary Defense Tank ADT-1 from TtS Granada p. 12

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« Reply #891 on: 23 June 2022, 17:25:30 »
huh. turns out i entered them a while ago. just forgot to make them visible.

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« Reply #892 on: 23 June 2022, 22:34:32 »
The MUL lists the source of the ADTs as TtS:Valencia. Correct source is  TtS:Granada.
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« Reply #893 on: 23 June 2022, 22:38:29 »
the tanks have been moved to the appropriate spain-themed planet

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« Reply #894 on: 24 June 2022, 00:56:36 »
So when I find a vehicle in the MUL and want to buy the source material containing the TRO entry or RS, the MUL directs me to the wrong pdf?
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« Reply #895 on: 24 June 2022, 01:36:21 »
mistakes happen

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« Reply #896 on: 24 June 2022, 01:40:53 »
Ah, sorry, I (mis-)understood that the tanks were intentionally moved to TtS:Valencia
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« Reply #897 on: 24 June 2022, 17:32:40 »
I guess the Hammerhead is available now to IS general as well as clan general.
From the Hammerhead  premium mini news on this site:
"The Hammerhead is 45-ton, ilClan era design by Clan Sea Fox, provided to all Clans and Inner Sphere factions in a tariff-free offering."

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« Reply #898 on: 24 June 2022, 18:05:44 »
While it's a strong hint that Sea Fox may be selling to spheroids soon, I'm fairly certain promotional blurbs can't dictate canon availability on their own.

Availability also doesn't just mean "you can buy it", it means "you have bought it, and can call on a non-individual quantity for active use." At least, that's my one-sentence description, I'm sure Sartris and GreekFire could produce better summaries. While I'm sure that Sea Fox's opening of the flood gates to I.S. buyers would include an aggressive advertising campaign to every corner of the Sphere, it's not really I.S. General until every single active I.S. faction on the MUL buys or salvages a meaningful quantity.
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« Reply #899 on: 24 June 2022, 18:11:00 »
this is now an internal discussion. thank you for bringing it to our attention.

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