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’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« on: 22 May 2022, 17:15:41 »
’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B

 

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The early 1990s were a crazy time, and the arrival of the Clans in Battletech was truly the wild west. Ignoring the gaping construction errors in TRO3050, the early Clan novels were full of ‘Mech descriptions which varied from switching variants between ‘Mechs to flat out impossible weapon loads. Some writers were clearly writing with insufficient information. The Executioner-B is an attempt to explain some of the more weird and wonderful Executioners over the years. 

 

First appearing in Shrapnel #8 the Executioner-B makes use of TRO3050U’s description of an earlier Clan Burrock Executioner modified by Clan Ghost Bear. The Burrock Executioner is constrained by descriptions of Vlad (Ward) using twin gauss rifles as well as the traditional Executioner Prime lasers during Phelan kell’s Trial of Position, which sets a minimum pod space available. That forces a reduced engine size. That is sort of a good thing because it frees up a heap of pod space. But then the Executioner-B needs to be nerfed so that there is a legitimate reason for Clan Ghost Bear to make their changes. So, we get a pair of fixed jump jets. It is not great, but it is not crippling. Plenty of OmniMechs have undersized arrays of jump jets that can be added to as needed. I am surprised that none of the variants do so. Now that has me thinking of a 3/5(6)/1 movement pattern as a sort of lead-in to the Executioner. Things that could have been, I guess. The 16 fixed double heat sinks are the same of that of the final Executioner. They take up valuable torso real estate, but that isn’t unusual for a 3050 OmniMech. The Dire Wolf, Warhawk, and Executioner are all guilty of that. Probably the gravest sin as far as I am concerned is the extra half ton of ferro-fibrous armor. Clearly there was a half ton that needed filling, but it got used on the side torsos which makes the modern Executioner’s weak side torsos even more baffling. Anyway, the Executioner-B ends up with 47 tons of pod space which is reasonably respectable. 95 tons, two tons short of maximum armor, two jump jets, it is not far off a Turkina, and few people call that a poor ‘Mech. 

 

There are four variants of the Executioner-B. The Prime mixes large pulse lasers, UAC/2s, an ERPPC, and an UAC/20. The UAC/2s match up to the machinegun ports of the Executioner which means the ERPPC matches up to the blank port on the other side of the chest. A rather disturbing case of WYSIWYG. With only 17 double heat sinks the Executioner-B is impressively incapable of generating useful firepower. Okay, maybe I am basing that on modern standards. Long range firepower is similar to a Dire Wolf Prime, but as the range drops it doesn’t really ramp up. Ultimately it lacks good combinations of weapons to use the heatsinks effectively.

The A runs cool and is BV cheap. I guess you can say that about it. I am not a big fan of UAC/10s. Theoretical damage is good, but they are a little hot, a little short ranged, and a little inaccurate compared to a gauss rifle. The Executioner-B A has two UAC/10s. These are backed up by a pair of LB10-Xs and a pair of ER small lasers. Total firepower is probably better than the Prime. It is not a bad ‘Mech, but it is a little underwhelming and misses a 15 or 20 point weapon to really open holes. 

The Executioner-B B is probably the best of them. Solid damage at range, ramping up to brutal under 10 hexes. A pair of gauss rifles, a pair of ER large lasers, and four medium pulse lasers. With 18 double heatsinks cooling is scalable with options from running icy to overheating for effect. Obviously this is Vlad’s ride.

The Executioner-B C is an interpretation of the Executioner used in MechWarrior 2, Ghost Bear Legacy’s aquatic level. As such I am a little disappointed that this variant has SRMs rather than SRTs. We don’t see enough aquatic ‘Mechs. On the land this variant is frustratingly hot. Twenty double heatsinks sort of allow you to use your four ERPPCs in a three/two pattern, and the UAC/5s chip in as low heat support, but really it is pretty underwhelming. At 3/5 movement you can’t really afford the -1 to movement in the same way a Warhawk Prime can. That said underwater things are going to be a lot more manageable. 

 

So, using an Executioner-B. This isn’t an Executioner. You aren’t going to be moving at speed. This is a big slow assault ‘Mech. Actually that does raise a good point. The Executioner-B has an intro-date of 2873 compared to say the Dire Wolf in 3010. The Kingfisher is 2887 and the Executioner is 3001. This is an old OmniMech, so in many ways it is better to use it as a vintage machine back in the Golden Century. It will perform a lot better against the more limited opponents back then. 

Anyway. The Executioner-B is a 3/5 assault with the armor of an 85 ton ‘Mech and the guns of a standard engine 3/5 assault, but not the toughness. Move carefully and slowly to maximize hits and reduce return fire. As a rule, firepower does get better as you close the range, so it is probably worth while doing so. If I had to pick a variant, I would go B for effectiveness or A for a low BV surprise for someone looking at your mini and expecting and Executioner.

Killing an Executioner-B is simple enough. It is a slow assault ‘Mech. Even with the vestigial jump jets it won’t be getting out of the way of much. You could make an argument about targeting the still-weak side torsos, but seriously, the odds of hitting them don’t really make it worth the effort. You might get some advantage from trying to stay at range against it. It is a little weaker than its peers, but it is not bad per say. Probably the big thing is it has a little less firepower and a little less armor than its peers so on average an Executioner-B will lose in a simple grinding battle most of the time.

 

Where does that leave us? The Executioner-B is a vintage OmniMech. It is a little bit weaker than its modern peers but as solid as you might expect for any other big Clan assault ‘Mech. To match existing fluff it makes some questionable design choices, which have a negative effect, but still can’t be ignored on the battlefield. In a lot of ways, it fits in with TRO3050 very well in its odd use of equipment. It could have done with more 3/5/3 variants to properly exploit the jump jets. All in all, not a good ‘Mech, but the benefits of Clantech mean that it isn’t a bad ‘Mech either. Pre-3000 it is probably well worth the effort given how few of the familiar Clan terrors exist yet. Especially if you can leverage the logistical benefits of Omnitech. 

 

So that is the Executioner-B. Hopefully we will see more of it stomping across your Golden Century battlefields in the near future. 


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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #1 on: 22 May 2022, 17:30:27 »
When I saw the name, I was expecting it to be a followup version of the Gladiator, not the closed beta test version.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #2 on: 22 May 2022, 20:28:25 »
Thanks for this - while I still prefer Vlad Ward piloting a Dire Wolf kitted out as described, this explanation about him driving a less-refined Executioner works too.  Its configurations remind me of the Atlas (Prime), Annihilator (A), King Crab or Thunder Hawk Pillager (B), and the MechWarrior 2 GBL homage (C).  I agree that the lack of SRTs is a missed opportunity for the C configuration!

I can't remember where he'd find such a relic though.  I'm guessing at the time they would've been in the same category as the Woodsman and Lupus as being relatively rare since they were considered obsolete.

That said I'd even take a Turkina over this if I couldn't have a Dire Wolf.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #3 on: 22 May 2022, 20:39:46 »
Thanks for this - while I still prefer Vlad Ward piloting a Dire Wolf kitted out as described
this is my take on it as well. not only does it make more sense narratively, putting him into a machine well suited to killing Phelan's machine, but it also fits the description in the book, where the names on the IFF display weren't mech models but rather pilot nicknames. in two cases ('widowmaker" and "Lone Wolf") nicknames which later got used as a canon config designation for the custom configs used.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #4 on: 22 May 2022, 21:36:07 »
Thanks for this - while I still prefer Vlad Ward piloting a Dire Wolf kitted out as described,
this is my take on it as well. not only does it make more sense narratively, putting him into a machine well suited to killing Phelan's machine, but it also fits the description in the book, where the names on the IFF display weren't mech models but rather pilot nicknames. in two cases ('widowmaker" and "Lone Wolf") nicknames which later got used as a canon config designation for the custom configs used.

Same, makes all the sense in the world without need of a retcon.

That said, the Executioner Burrock does give players more option for the Executioner and I'm all for that.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #5 on: 25 May 2022, 09:48:10 »
That said, the Executioner Burrock does give players more option for the Executioner and I'm all for that.

It just occurred to me that the "B" probably stands for "Burrock" and not "Beta Test" or something like that  :))
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #6 on: 26 May 2022, 02:01:13 »
It just occurred to me that the "B" probably stands for "Burrock" and not "Beta Test" or something like that  :))

i never put it together before the article either.
i wish this mech was better also, the exeuctioner family is so very flawed. but now reading the article (as opposed to only the record sheet) it makes sense lore wise.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #7 on: 26 May 2022, 12:08:35 »
i never put it together before the article either.
i wish this mech was better also, the exeuctioner family is so very flawed. but now reading the article (as opposed to only the record sheet) it makes sense lore wise.

It least you don't need to fit a JagerMech into every Ghost Bear mech formation.... ;D

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #8 on: 26 May 2022, 13:36:06 »
Ugh.
I'm a little disturbed that this made it into canon.

The "nickname" was acceptable, but, also, even better, we now have rules for factory level refits of omnimechs, so, even better would have been one that removed the MASC & JJ's to increase pod space, it could have been the machine of some dead Star Colonel or Galaxy Commander that was now used by the training command.

Make it a rare 1-off like the Pouncer w/ MASC?  That some Hellion warrior has.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #9 on: 26 May 2022, 17:45:30 »
This 'Mech won't end up as anyone's favorite! :D Replying to a few messages, I'm just wondering: has anyone read the TRO entry in Shrapnel #8? Does its lore make intrinsic sense?

this is my take on it as well. not only does it make more sense narratively, putting him into a machine well suited to killing Phelan's machine, but it also fits the description in the book, where the names on the IFF display weren't mech models but rather pilot nicknames. in two cases ('widowmaker" and "Lone Wolf") nicknames which later got used as a canon config designation for the custom configs used.

While Phelan's 'Mech is Lone Wolf, Natasha's isn't named in the relevant Chapter 19 of Blood Legacy. The chapter is told from Phelan's perspective. He faces a "Mad Dog", "Warhawk", and "Executioner". So pilot nicknames don't seem to impact IFF.

Same, makes all the sense in the world without need of a retcon.

Was it ever stated that Vlad's particular "Executioner" was a Dire Wolf? If not, then Shrapnel #8 isn't a retcon per se.

Vlad's ride has long been interpreted as a customized Executioner in apocrypha, specifically in MFUK's RS#1, which came out in 1993.

Ugh.
I'm a little disturbed that this made it into canon.

The "nickname" was acceptable, but, also, even better, we now have rules for factory level refits of omnimechs, so, even better would have been one that removed the MASC & JJ's to increase pod space, it could have been the machine of some dead Star Colonel or Galaxy Commander that was now used by the training command.

Make it a rare 1-off like the Pouncer w/ MASC?  That some Hellion warrior has.

Seeing how it isn't apparently a diverging build that is problematic, what "disturbs" you about this 'Mech?


As mentioned in the article above, beyond the apocrypha around Vlad's ride, TRO 3050U established 15 years ago that there was a prior build of the Executioner that the Bears later tinkered with. The Bear's redo amazed with speed upon its debut, so it's safe to assume that's what they optimized. Shrapnel focuses on the story of the Burrock's original and presents a contemporary to other early Clan Mechs. (Behind the scenes: this was originally slated for TRO GC, but ended up on the cutting room floor during pre-production.) It also states that beyond the usual Executioner concentration in Clans Burrock and Ghost Bear, "its long service life meant most Clans possessed at least a few of them." Pertaining to Vlad, it implies he chose a less common 'Mech to catch Phelan off guard. Of course, to Phelan, most 'Mechs he faced were new, so that is a bit moot.


Thanks for this - while I still prefer Vlad Ward piloting a Dire Wolf kitted out as described, this explanation about him driving a less-refined Executioner works too.  Its configurations remind me of the Atlas (Prime), Annihilator (A), King Crab or Thunder Hawk (B), and the MechWarrior 2 GBL homage (C).  I agree that the lack of SRTs is a missed opportunity for the C configuration!

Heh, I don't disagree! The C configuration was a bit of an after-thought, when the opportunity presented itself to (further) canonize a little bit of everyone's favorite apocrypha. Sure, it could/should have had SRTs - but the fluff calls Erick (Tseng)'s ride "modified". That config is completely out of crits and replacing the UAC/5s with... HS? Isn't possible without creating a deliberately massively underweight config. Which, who knows, may have been exactly what Erick did. Or just water-proofed the UAC's barrels and carried them around as dead weight. Either way, the functionality of the C config matches with GBL's Thule mission. And half of the TRO write-up's Battle History is devoted to resurrecting this wonderful classic game, which is a win in my books. :thumbsup:

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #10 on: 26 May 2022, 18:34:46 »
While Phelan's 'Mech is Lone Wolf, Natasha's isn't named in the relevant Chapter 19 of Blood Legacy. The chapter is told from Phelan's perspective. He faces a "Mad Dog", "Warhawk", and "Executioner". So pilot nicknames don't seem to impact IFF.

actually it is:
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Phelan looked up and through his cockpit canopy and saw Natasha's BattleMech stride into view. It had the same bird legs as his 'Mech and a cylindrical body built up at the shoulder to accommodate missile launchers. On the 'Mech's right side, Phelan saw the stubby muzzle of an autocannon and a triangular configuration of laser muzzles in the chest. Both arms ended in slender sets of two weapon barrels in an over-and-under arrangement. Natasha's 'Mech was painted black, and the red hourglass marking of a Black Widow spider emblazoned the 'Mech's abdomen.
Phelan smiled as he read the computer's name for her 'Mech. "Widowmaker? That's appropriate. Looks like you're loaded for bear, Colonel Kerensky."


and earlier in the chapter you had:
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"Look, kid, you'll do fine. I've got your 'Mech configured in a way that will do maximum damage. It's unique, like my 'Mech. I tagged your Omni with the name Lone Wolf."

so the opposing force IFF codes could be either the mech model or a custom name set by the pilot. given that Vlad did a custom config for his mech, the idea that he set a custom IFF title isn't much of a stretch. neither phelan's mech or Vlad's has any distinctive features given beyond the config either. given that the book treats "Lone wolf" as a proper name the same way it treated executioner, warhawk, and mad dog, there isn't any textual evidence to indicate the difference between model names and IFF titles. and phelan always refers to the mechs as being by the name the IFF gave him, and his inexperience with clan mech recognition is heavily implied throughout.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #11 on: 26 May 2022, 19:53:15 »

3-5-2 on a near 100-tonner with dual Gauss in one configuration and an ack-20 in another felt suspiciously like the descendent of an SLDF Pillager.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #12 on: 27 May 2022, 13:02:24 »
3-5-2 on a near 100-tonner with dual Gauss in one configuration and an ack-20 in another felt suspiciously like the descendent of an SLDF Pillager.

Didn't think of it until you said it, but you sir are 100% correct in that vibe.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #13 on: 28 May 2022, 08:16:12 »
3-5-2 on a near 100-tonner with dual Gauss in one configuration and an ack-20 in another felt suspiciously like the descendent of an SLDF Pillager.

Now that you mention it, the 'mech, especially the B configuration, is more like a Pillager :o
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #14 on: 28 May 2022, 10:54:10 »
Took the Prime to a game not long ago, and it overheated and got slagged by an entire lance, so, YMMV... ;-P hahaha

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #15 on: 02 June 2022, 21:59:39 »
Are the JJ hardwired in like the Executioner (Not B)?

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #16 on: 02 June 2022, 22:33:06 »
Yes.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #17 on: 07 June 2022, 19:48:47 »
Naming was odd me.  Does that make newer one A as in higher grade verses B lower grade?   Naming didn't make alot sense to me.

Yep, it has firepower but not the movement. Clans are into mobile warfare, thus it logical to upgrade it.

It weren't for Stackpole describing it being older version of Executioner, there would likely have been completely different mech with different name instead.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #18 on: 07 June 2022, 19:54:58 »
Naming was odd me.  Does that make newer one A as in higher grade verses B lower grade?   Naming didn't make alot sense to me.
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« Reply #19 on: 07 June 2022, 20:45:52 »
B for Burrock.
Oof I misremembered reading that part.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Executioner-B
« Reply #20 on: 08 June 2022, 19:23:36 »
Never mind, found what I was looking for.
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