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'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« on: 24 January 2021, 19:29:23 »
War Crow OmniMech, from ilClan Recognition Guide: Volume 7

Clan Snow Raven has never been a tremendous producer of heavy designs. Originators of the Kingfisher and Stormcrow OmniMechs, their time as part of the Raven Alliance has not changed their doctrinal preferences. Recent industrial endeavors have widely expanded their range of hard-hitting lights and mediums (with the Devil, Kit Fox, Dark Crow, Stormcrow, and Vapor Eagle having all recently entered production—just to name a few), while a solid corps of assaults anchors their forces and gives the lights a powerful anvil to smash targets against (the Omen, Deimos, and Warhammer IIC being three currently produced examples).

This has left a significant gap in the Raven touman. Other Clans, notably the Wolves and Falcons, have a true wealth of designs to fill the heavy cavalry or pocket assault roles. But within the Raven Alliance, confirmed heavy production could basically be boiled down to two units: the Bombardier and the Merlin, both of which horribly unsuited for use within front-line Raven commands.

Enter the War Crow.

First featured in the ilClan Recognition Guide series, the War Crow is the Raven Alliance's newest, most cutting-edge, and likely soon-to-be premier heavy OmniMech in their touman. The design plays it safe, and it doesn't try to reinvent the game. Coming in at 70 tons, it has the standard speed for a Clan Heavy (5/8), uses standard weight-saving technologies (endo-steel, XL engine), and stuffs as many double heat sinks as it can into its 350-rated engine (14 DHS). Where it really stands out as a more modern product is its armor protection. 217 points give it the absolute maximum a 70-ton design can carry, every single point of it the Ravens' advanced Ferro-Lamellor armor. The lot leaves the design with 25 tons of podspace, a rather average value for a Clan heavy.


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War Crow
INTRO: 3145
MANUFACTURER: RAVEN ALLIANCE
--- Speed: 5/8 (350 cXL) ---------------------------------
--- Armor: 217/217 (Ferro-Lamellor) ----------------------
--- Base Heat Sinks: 14 Double [28 heat dissipation] -----

         FRONT                REAR                INTERNAL
         ( 9)                 (**)                  ( 3)
      /22|32|22\           / 8|12| 8\            /15|22|15\
     (22/ || \22)         (   |  |   )          (11/ || \11)
       /  /\  \               /  \                /  /\  \
      (30/  \30)             /    \              (15/  \15)


THE CONFIGURATIONS

Even the best designs, though, can be hampered by their configurations. But there's no need to break a sweat here—this isn't the case for the War Crow. Nearly every variant is more optimized than not.

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Primary Configuration

ER PPC w/Capacitor      (LA)
2x LRM/15               (LT, RT)
---LRM ammo (4 tons)    (2xLA, 2xRA)
2x ER Medium Laser      (CT, H)
2x Medium Pulse Laser   (LT, RT)
Double Heat Sink        (LA)

The Prime is a bracket fighter with a clear firing pattern. The ER PPC+Capacitor, when fired alongside the LRMs, makes full use of the chassis' heat dissipation abilities. Meanwhile, firing the array of lasers alongside the LRMs can give you a chance to recharge the Capacitor for yet another 20-point hit on the following turn. Punch holes, sandblast with the LRMs and lasers. It's that simple. And there's no real range that it's bad at—it's really a configuration that's a strong threat in every sort of situation.

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A Configuration

ER Large Laser          (RA)
HAG/30                  (LA)
---HAG ammo (4 tons)    (LT)
2x ER Medium Laser      (CT, RT)
ER Small Laser          (H)
Supercharger            (RT)

The A continues the generalist trend. The ER Large Laser, HAG, and Supercharger all combine to give it better sniping potential than the Prime; that said, the fourteen double heat sinks encourages players to move in to use it as a mid-ranged brawler instead, where it can add both ER Medium Lasers to its fire without breaking a sweat. At the end of the day, though, damage potential is nearly the same as with the Prime. One only needs to determine whether they prefer the 20-point hit on the Prime or the better range and speed of the A.

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B Configuration

Large Pulse Laser       (RA)
Streak LRM/15           (LA)
---Streak ammo (2 tons) (LA)
2x Medium Pulse Laser   (CT, RT)
ER Medium Laser         (H)
5x Jump Jets            (LL, RL, LT, CT, RT)

The B is a bit more of an skirmisher. The Large Pulse Laser has more than respectable range when thrown against Spheroid opponents, so when combined with the Streak LRM gives the B a solid punch at decent ranges. The jump jets and pulse array combo make it a nasty harasser and give it the ability to keep up with the myriad of 5/8/5 mediums and heavies that Spheroids love to field. Once again, overall damage output is rather similar to the other configurations, so choosing to field the B tends to come down to whether jump jets are needed more than the range of the A or that 20-point hit on the Prime.

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C Configuration

2x ER Large Laser       (LA,RA)
2x ATM/9                (LT, RT)
---ATM ammo (4 tons)    (2xLA, 2xRA)
2x ER Medium Laser      (CT, H)
Cooland Pod             (LA)

The C...you guessed it. It's another generalist of sorts. This one, however, is the only configuration without intuitive heat brackets. You can't fire all of the ranged weapons on it without overheating, so some restraint is best. How you use it is up to you; charging in to use HE ATM tends to be best, as it has the most close-in oomph out any of the variants. The ER Large Laser and ER ATMs are just there to give you a ranged option; if you want to focus on playing a more finessed-base ranged game I'd suggest sticking with the A.

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The War Crow doesn't try to be too fancy—durability is the name of the game. The ferro-lamellor armor alone gives it protection that's akin to a fully-armored 85-ton BattleMech. In addition, all ammo or explosive components are always found in the arms, giving it durability beyond most of its other heavy Clan contemporaries. The slightly heavier rear armor also encourages more aggressive play, all fitting for a line heavy that's meant to be at the forefront of any attacks.

Most notable, though, is what the War Crow accomplishes through its very existence. The design, as it stands, manages to outclass the older Savage Wolf in multiple different ways. The armor difference between the two is largely negligible (calculations showed me that it took roughly the same number of 5- and 10-point hits to destroy almost every location on both'Mechs). The XXL on the Savage Wolf is a glaring weakness compared to the War Crow's standard cXL, and its weaker rear armor protection encourages more cautious play from the elaborate Sea Fox design. Even the Savage Wolf's extra podspace and one extra internal heat sink are largely nullified by its hotter-running engine; most of that extra space needs to be spent on heat sinks for it to be able to use similar configurations to the War Crow. This can be seen most when comparing the War Crow C with the Savage Wolf A; while the Savage Wolf runs slightly cooler and has a slightly larger array of tertiary weapons, the War Crow is able to mimic the Savage Wolf's configuration while barely losing any effectiveness.

While this does make the design a fearsome beast on the tabletop, its largely generalist nature does make many of the configurations feel somewhat samey on the table. The Prime stands apart most with its two distinct volleys, but the design has no true specialist configurations as of now (though, of course, you do have anti-air capabilities with the A and a decent anti-light/harasser config with the B). There's a lot of unexplored potential for the design, and I'm certain that as time goes on we'll see the War Crow pushed into a larger array of roles.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #1 on: 24 January 2021, 19:53:12 »
You're comparing the War Crow to the wrong 'Mech, me thinks. The Vulture Mk IV is a closer comparison, and weirdly has exactly as much podspace (though less armor and less integrated heat sinks). Though admittedly the configurations resemble the Savage Wolf's more.

And the Vulture Mk IV is my major issue with the War Crow. Too similar. I don't normally see similar designs an issue as faction availability matters to me, but the problem here is that the Vulture IV Mk is available to every one. Yes, the Ravens got a homegrown design now, but i'm thinking they could've filled probably some other niche.

Anyway, ignoring the Vulture Mk IV, and that i don't really care about the Snow Ravens one way or another, the 'Mech seems a bit... well, boring, vanilla. I find the slots arrangement dubious, it is like the Perseus... Configs are a mixed bag. The B's Streaks feel weird, jumping means Artemis V would've been more apt here, and in turn the Prime could've perhaps sported Streak LRMs. The A seems reasonable but it is so expensive, i'd gladly trade the supercharger away. The C's OK but i would've preferred ammo in torsos and perhaps another coolant pod, having just one triggers my hoarding instinct.

Think i'd rather take a Savage Wolf, prefer its configurations, and i don't mind the XLFE. Plus with my luck, the armored gyro is helpful...

Good article, and good timing too, pondered the War Crow just a day or two ago.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #2 on: 24 January 2021, 20:51:24 »
And the Vulture Mk IV is my major issue with the War Crow. Too similar. I don't normally see similar designs an issue as faction availability matters to me, but the problem here is that the Vulture IV Mk is available to every one. Yes, the Ravens got a homegrown design now, but i'm thinking they could've filled probably some other niche.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #3 on: 24 January 2021, 21:39:43 »
You're comparing the War Crow to the wrong 'Mech, me thinks. The Vulture Mk IV is a closer comparison, and weirdly has exactly as much podspace (though less armor and less integrated heat sinks). Though admittedly the configurations resemble the Savage Wolf's more.

And the Vulture Mk IV is my major issue with the War Crow. Too similar. I don't normally see similar designs an issue as faction availability matters to me, but the problem here is that the Vulture IV Mk is available to every one. Yes, the Ravens got a homegrown design now, but i'm thinking they could've filled probably some other niche.

I considered that, and actually cut a full paragraph talking about it. But while the comparison with the Vulture Mk IV is certainly apt, the overall tonnage, heat dissipation and armor protection of the War Crow is closer to the Savage Wolf than the lighter OmniMech (the Vulture Mk IV, for example, can't tank as many 10-point hits as the War Crow/Savage Wolf in its CT, Side Torsos, or Legs).

It'd be fair to say that the War Crow somewhat outclasses both designs—at least with their current existing configurations. I firmly believe the Savage Wolf has some as-of-now untapped potential for some pretty fierce configurations.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #4 on: 24 January 2021, 22:57:50 »
I like the War Crow in both looks and configurations.  It gives the Ravens a nice alternative to buying Summoners from the Horses or Grand Summoners from the Jade Falcons.  It doesn't suffer from 3050 FASA design shenanigans, moves quickly, and the configurations are all solid generalists or skirmishers.  Ferro Lamellor is a nice touch, and the War Crow doesn't make the mistake many Clan heavy Omnimechs make of trading survivability for pod space.  I'd use it over a Loki II or even an Arcas.

As for the Savage Wolf, it tries too hard to be the next Timber Wolf/Mad Cat.  Aping the Timber Wolf's configs with an upgrade here or there isn't a very inspired design choice, especially given the Savage Wolf's high point cost.  I'm glad the Ravens went a different path to fill their touman requirements.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #5 on: 24 January 2021, 23:05:37 »
While everyone is busy comparing it to the Savage Wolf, I see yet another well designed omni that will push the poor War Wolf further into obscurity as it continues to eclipse by better designs.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #6 on: 24 January 2021, 23:07:51 »
Killer article, it was even better than I'd anticipated. The War Crow is maybe the first unit that's ever made me want to try out a scenario running some Ravens.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #7 on: 25 January 2021, 00:20:41 »
In terms of BV, most of these configurations are excellent.  The only one that sticks out as problematic is the A, and even then only because its Supercharger pushes it into the +4 TMM bracket for defensive BV mods but it's unable to consistently get a straight line of 10 uninterrupted hexes to ever achieve that.  That makes it the only config over 3000 BV (3030; the next highest is the Prime at 2835), which is a tough pill to swallow when compared directly to the other mostly heat-neutral all-range designs in the Prime and B where you're saving 200-250 BV for most of the same result.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #8 on: 25 January 2021, 00:46:39 »
The War Wolf simply has some poor configs.  Give the PTB time to expand out the configs like they have for the various other Clan Omnis, and I think it will be awesome.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #9 on: 25 January 2021, 01:09:28 »
The War Wolf simply has some poor configs.  Give the PTB time to expand out the configs like they have for the various other Clan Omnis, and I think it will be awesome.

I actually like the War Wolf and been waiting for new configuration but for right now, other Omnis like the War Crow are stealing the show (not that the Snow Ravens didn't deserve a classy Heavy Omni of their own)   
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #10 on: 25 January 2021, 10:27:36 »
I am legitimately surprised this thing doesn't have digitigrade legs - you'd think that a mech called the War Crow that has such an avian looking torso would be a chicken walker...

To me it looks like a winner all round - the art is nice, the chassis is well designed and configurations all look strong.  I have a friend who plays Snow Ravens, I'd better get used to seeing these on the table top soon...

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« Reply #11 on: 25 January 2021, 10:30:32 »
I am legitimately surprised this thing doesn't have digitigrade legs - you'd think that a mech called the War Crow that has such an avian looking torso would be a chicken walker...

Hmm, might look a little too much like an Ebon Jaguar with chicken legs, nice to keep it just that much more visually distinct
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #12 on: 25 January 2021, 10:48:24 »
Very nice machine. Its focus on hitting power vs trying be too fancy. I like it.

If I were to want field this thing I'd like see the Ravens more active in the era. Ground pounding is not that prominent with Snow Ravens in comparison to others.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #13 on: 25 January 2021, 12:06:17 »
I am legitimately surprised this thing doesn't have digitigrade legs - you'd think that a mech called the War Crow that has such an avian looking torso would be a chicken walker...

Seconded.  The TRO 3058/Star League-ish human legs don’t fit the bird/dino body/head or Clan Omni aesthetics in general.  And although I like the circular LRM launchers, the diameter of the launch tubes/missiles seems too small.

Hmm, might look a little too much like an Ebon Jaguar

The head/cockpit more resembles the old Black Python/Viper than the Ebon Jag, to me, anyway.  The Black Python callback may have been intentional.

I smiled when I saw the Warcrow’s design because a 70-ton, 5/8, XLE, endo-steel, max ferro-lamellor classic has been my favorite, all-around home brew Clan omni chassis for years.  With careful configuration design, it can mount pocket assault load outs like triple ER PPCs or 80 LRM tubes with near heat neutrality.  The “assault cavalry” combination of assault protection, assault firepower, and heavy cavalry speed can be devastating.  And its engine can be shared with equally vicious 50-ton, 7/11 and 35-ton, 10/15 chassis.

The Prime’s marriage of Clan-grade ER PPC with PPC Capacitor alone is worth the use of RG space — been waiting for that on a Clan Omni for a while.  The Prime’s heat management with the medium laser array firing opposite the ER PPC and Capacitor is nice.  But I’d trade the laser array and one ton of LRM ammo for a second ER PPC and Capacitor.  Barring other developments, that will probably be my PC ride in the new era.  Hope the Bears and Wolves (or Foxes) can get hold of some.  (Curious that the ER PPC is in the left, not right, arm.)

A config is okay, but I’d trade the ER Large for a Heavy to better take advantage of the supercharger and the HAG’s damage curve.

Even for a jumper, B config seems low on ranged firepower.  I’d trade the Streak LRM and laser array for dual LRM-15s, Artemis V FCS, and ammo.  The Artemis V would also help offset jumping to-hit modifiers.

The Ravens have access to Radical Heat Sinks via the Deimos E, so the Coolant Pod on the C config seems like a lost opportunity.

Configuration and art critiques aside, the Warcrow is a solid addition to the canon that eclipses the Savage Wolf and Mad Dog IV.  More like this, please.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #14 on: 25 January 2021, 12:09:15 »
The Ravens have access to Radical Heat Sinks via the Deimos E, so the Coolant Pod on the C config seems like a lost opportunity.
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« Reply #15 on: 25 January 2021, 12:25:46 »
Recognition Guide series doesn't seem to use equipment outside BattleMech Manual and the RHS didn't make cut there, unfortunately.

They have said a few exceptions exist . . . I wish for one to be the Warhawk.

As far as finding any . . . Nat, the RecGuides are basically sales catalogues from the Foxes.  You just have to be on good enough standing to get everything- IE the Hammerhead is Clan-sales only.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #16 on: 25 January 2021, 12:27:37 »
Hmm, might look a little too much like an Ebon Jaguar with chicken legs, nice to keep it just that much more visually distinct

Seconded.  The TRO 3058/Star League-ish human legs don’t fit the bird/dino body/head or Clan Omni aesthetics in general.  And although I like the circular LRM launchers, the diameter of the launch tubes/missiles seems too small.

The head/cockpit more resembles the old Black Python/Viper than the Ebon Jag, to me, anyway.  The Black Python callback may have been intentional..

I was thinking maybe something like this;
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Having said all that, I still like the design as it is.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #17 on: 25 January 2021, 12:54:32 »
Problems with the legs might be why it gets that quirk.

Other question for Nat . . .

You say it replaces the Savage Wolf?  Is that a base chassis or just the configs?
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #18 on: 25 January 2021, 12:57:08 »
I'd doubt it would be replacing it.  Sea Foxes would need bag the thing get into production more broadly than it being fairly exclusive in the Raven Alliance/Outworld Alliance.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #19 on: 25 January 2021, 13:09:24 »

The head/cockpit more resembles the old Black Python/Viper than the Ebon Jag, to me, anyway.  The Black Python callback may have been intentional.

The head/cockpit area does resemble the Black Python, but I was referring to the entire body...

if you swap out the humanoid legs for bird legs, the whole thing looks like a curvier/more bird-like Ebon Jaguar:
- horizontal rather than vertical body shape
- stumpy upper arms with large barrels for lower arms
- twin missile racks on either side of the torso top towards the rear

Problems with the legs might be why it gets that quirk.

Other question for Nat . . .

You say it replaces the Savage Wolf?  Is that a base chassis or just the configs?
I don't believe it actually says anywhere in the official text that it replaces the Savage Wolf, that was just an opinion
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« Reply #20 on: 25 January 2021, 13:16:21 »
Which is what I am getting at, why would he say it replaces the Savage Wolf?  AFAIK, the biggest differences are in the configs, only chassis difference between Savage Wolf and War Crow is the XXL-XL difference . . . which comes down to heat/crit risk vs pod space, which is going to be comparable.

The War Crow looks like the unseen Black Python body.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #21 on: 25 January 2021, 13:43:02 »
Which is what I am getting at, why would he say it replaces the Savage Wolf?  AFAIK, the biggest differences are in the configs, only chassis difference between Savage Wolf and War Crow is the XXL-XL difference . . . which comes down to heat/crit risk vs pod space, which is going to be comparable.

I'll go into it since I brought it up in the article to begin with.

The Savage Wolf, in order to have the specs it has, uses an XXL engine. This makes it notably more vulnerable to side torso destruction and makes it run a lot hotter than comparable designs. This extra heat effectively "eats up" three of its base double heat sinks (assuming you're planning on running with the design), reducing the number of fixed heat sinks available for weapon heat dissipation down to twelve.

So the Savage Wolf ends up being a design with 28 tons of podspace, but twelve DHS to dissipate its weapon heat.
The War Crow, in turn, has 25 tons of podspace and fourteen DHS to dissipate its weapons heat.

If you're planning on making configurations that build up at least 28 weapon heat, the Savage Wolf then only has a single-ton advantage of effective podspace when compared to the War Crow (of course, assuming that you don't want to constantly overheat).  As it took an XXL engine to gain that one-ton advantage, it can be somewhat questionable as to whether that's a good tradeoff or not.

That said, future cooler-running configurations for the Savage Wolf would still give it a solid niche when compared to the War Crow.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #22 on: 25 January 2021, 14:47:30 »
I was thinking maybe something like this;
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Oh, yeah, I like that much better.  Dog legs are a good alternative, IMO.  Nice work, Getz.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #23 on: 25 January 2021, 14:56:26 »
That said, future cooler-running configurations for the Savage Wolf would still give it a solid niche when compared to the War Crow.

Which is why I said it was getting into the configs really being the problem/difference- what we have right now for the Savage Wolf is a Timber Wolf config replication rather than it's own versions.  I know for a prospective battle against SteveRestless, I was going to use a Fidelis (using the Surrender Your Dreams version) to drop a mixed tech Savage Wolf that was closer to the MWDA Mad Cat Mk II versions instead of the symmetrical Twolf Prime-types.  Give it some good gun/missile configs and you can do a lot of things . . . heck, make it a big ATM or LRM thrower.

For all I was knocking a Timber Wolf config clone, you can also get a solid TW C version on the Savage.  While the War Crow does not have a 10 series AC, 20 series AC, or Gauss Rifle, it does have a HAG version which is something the Savage Wolf lacks.  I would like to see a Savage with a Gauss Rifle and either ATMs or a mix of LRMs & SSRMs.

For me the XXL is not as big a worry since the armor itself decreases the TAC chance, and by the time a side torso gets thin it should be retreating.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #24 on: 25 January 2021, 15:05:58 »
You say it replaces the Savage Wolf?  Is that a base chassis or just the configs?

Mainly base chassis.  Mostly just to avoid the vulnerability of the XXL.  But also GF’s point about XXLs making higher heat loadouts more difficult.  Unless you need critting, energy-intensive configurations are usually more efficient than ballistics in Clantech, and the extra heat of XXLs work against that, on top of adding side torso kills.

The Warcrow could use a config like the Savage Wolf Prime/Timber Wolf D (dual ER PPCs and multiple Stream SRM packs).  Otherwise, there’s not many Savage Wolf configurations that I miss.  The Savage Wolf A, Timber Wolf E, and Warcrow C are all similar ATM/ER large laser configs.  I’d probably go in the Savage Wolf B’s direction with the War Crow A, marrying heavy lasers and/or ATMs to the HAG’s damage curve instead of ER lasers.  But it’s not a huge difference.    And to better marry with LRM-15 hole-seeking, I prefer the 15- or 20–point hole-punching of the Warcrow Prime over the 10-points of the Savage Wolf C.  But I may be alone in that opinion given the greater damage consistency of the Savage Wolf C.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #25 on: 25 January 2021, 17:47:28 »
honeslty, the design reminds me the most of the Warwolf.. especially their prime variants.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #26 on: 25 January 2021, 18:01:08 »
honeslty, the design reminds me the most of the Warwolf.. especially their prime variants.
This one has much more secondary firepower and more ammo, and the Warwolf wastes tonnage on limited jump capability.
Don't think the Warwolf is bad but the War Crow definitively has overall better configurations. I did criticize the War Crow for some oddities in its configurations but they're not real flaws. The Warwolf makes way worse mistakes, spending tonnage dubiously, leaving it usable but overtly expensive for what it really does.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #27 on: 25 January 2021, 18:35:52 »
I think the Warwolf suffers most in comparison with the War Crow in terms of BV.

Reactive having a 1.5x BV multiplier compared to Ferro-Lam's 1.2x is nothing short of ludicrous.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #28 on: 25 January 2021, 18:49:12 »
Wait, FL is just 1.2? I get that it does effectively adds at least 20% armor to a unit, but it also has secondary benefits, and depending on the weapon the added damage reduction even exceeds 20%, so 1.2 seems way too low.
Or maybe Reactive's 1.5 is too much considering its limitations and drawbacks.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: War Crow
« Reply #29 on: 25 January 2021, 18:53:12 »
Wait, FL is just 1.2? I get that it does effectively adds at least 20% armor to a unit, but it also has secondary benefits, and depending on the weapon the added damage reduction even exceeds 20%, so 1.2 seems way too low.
Or maybe Reactive's 1.5 is too much considering its limitations and drawbacks.

I think your later statement is more accurate . . . the Warwolf suffers from MWDA configs, just like the Wulfen.  Really we need some RS for the MWDA created Omnis that had nutty configs that were from dossiers and ported over badly.
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