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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #30 on: 16 April 2021, 11:25:01 »
... Kinda missing the point of having a Star of Dire Wolves. Honestly, Don't take a assault if you are scared of scratching the paint on your camo scheme.

Yeah definitely, although i do count on one particular player to that (stormlion, cough). Sure he's typically the last one standing but that's after I kill the rest of his guys and make a break for it

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #31 on: 16 April 2021, 12:23:48 »
The heart of the upgrade is to dump the ultra acs for LB/5s. I have no issues with this; better range, better accuracy, better critseeking, better anti-infantry, and they count as flak. The weight savings there and from dumping a heat sink (not a major problem) go into a C3 boosted slave. To which I ask: why? Why make the thing an experimental mech, especially in era, completely out of the ability of a “standard” rules unit to get their mitts on? I know they’ve been errata’d to work with standard masters, but it’s still TacOps equipment (even if it’s included in BMM). The in-universe rarity of Angel ECM might make it worth it, but I find Angels are anachronistically common in built forces the game after a boosted C3 net is seen. 

Boosted is not about Angel IIRC, but overcoming the more common Guardian w/o needing a ECM set to ECCM.  Since ECCM is a TacOps rule that is not era dependent like Boosted is- IE you cannot set ECMs to ECCM mode unless that 'advanced' rule is in play on the table, even in 3150- it overcomes that problem.

Considering the 'r' is a Jihad refit and ECM had become more prevalent on the battlefield, it makes some sense in the narrative setting of having to deal with Blakist ECM shutting down the C3 networks the DCMS had spent all that money building up.
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #32 on: 16 April 2021, 12:43:18 »
Yeah, but if we say 'advanced/experimental is available' then people try to bring out the LAMs, superheavy tripods and field gun squads.

Which isn't a problem per se, but when they bring them in without knowing the rules? Recurring problem with my last group.

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #33 on: 16 April 2021, 13:20:27 »
That sounds like it's not a problem with the mech...
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #34 on: 16 April 2021, 13:41:52 »
That sounds like it's not a problem with the mech...

Yeah . . . my group will have 3140s set games, and the rule is if you bring something with advanced/experimental tech you have to know the rules or at least the page numbers telling everyone how it works.  Never had LAMs, but folks do bring the other two.
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #35 on: 16 April 2021, 18:25:39 »
Soooo, Daikyu... I'm still at work, but my brain is pondering the worthiness of swapping those Ultras out in a Jihad-ie config for twin LB-5X, making for a way to tell Blakist aerospace to please go away and not come back. RAC-2s would be interesting as well for the job, though a little too FedSunny for anything more than a field mod. Neither, by my head math, would require a whole ton of monkeying with the design outside of the straight swap and doctoring a couple of tons of spare room.

...I just don't like being bombed from above, I guess.
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #36 on: 16 April 2021, 18:55:08 »
Figure out a way to cram a pair of HAG 20s onto it?
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #37 on: 16 April 2021, 19:00:24 »
For Dark Age era I was thinking about Clan RAC2s, but HAGs sound good too.  Guess I will have to look at those after work and slap something together in the appropriate forum.

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #38 on: 16 April 2021, 19:42:48 »
Soooo, Daikyu... I'm still at work, but my brain is pondering the worthiness of swapping those Ultras out in a Jihad-ie config for twin LB-5X, making for a way to tell Blakist aerospace to please go away and not come back.

Isn't that the -01r? :)
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #39 on: 16 April 2021, 19:59:01 »
I share Greatclub’s frustration that neither LB-5X variant is tournament legal.

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #40 on: 17 April 2021, 20:10:51 »
I share Greatclub’s frustration that neither LB-5X variant is tournament legal.

Yeah, if I had to do it over again, I probably woulda dropped in a heavy PPC.  problem was, I was building and writing the submissions in Afghanistan at the time, and I only had my PDFs and Heavy Metal Pro, which (at that point) didn't have the Light/Heavy PPCs, and a bunch of other stuff updated yet.  I had to write with what I could build! -sob-

Also... I really wanted to make a canon mixed-tech mech.  At that point (aught-five) there were VERY FEW mixed techs out there- I think there the ones from the Dragon Roars, and... a few more? Maybe?  They were Super Rare and I wanted to make a canon one.  NOW, though, mixed-tech is all over the darn place! hahaha

So, yeah, if I could go back to '05 and change... well, I wouldn't have had a bunch of shots of Jager and followed it up with a double whopper that one night before deployment.  Eeesh!  :P xp  But if I could fix TWO mistakes from '05, making this a legal LB-X variant would be the second one.   ;) ;D ;D 
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #41 on: 17 April 2021, 21:14:43 »
Yeah, if I had to do it over again, I probably woulda dropped in a heavy PPC.  problem was, I was building and writing the submissions in Afghanistan at the time, and I only had my PDFs and Heavy Metal Pro, which (at that point) didn't have the Light/Heavy PPCs, and a bunch of other stuff updated yet.  I had to write with what I could build! -sob-

Also... I really wanted to make a canon mixed-tech mech.  At that point (aught-five) there were VERY FEW mixed techs out there- I think there the ones from the Dragon Roars, and... a few more? Maybe?  They were Super Rare and I wanted to make a canon one.  NOW, though, mixed-tech is all over the darn place! hahaha

So, yeah, if I could go back to '05 and change... well, I wouldn't have had a bunch of shots of Jager and followed it up with a double whopper that one night before deployment.  Eeesh!  :P xp  But if I could fix TWO mistakes from '05, making this a legal LB-X variant would be the second one.   ;) ;D ;D

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #42 on: 18 April 2021, 01:51:26 »
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #43 on: 18 April 2021, 04:52:02 »
I like the Daikyu.  It's a fast direct fire support mech that works great with Grand Dragons, Dragon 5Ns, Flashmen, the Charger 3K, and other 5/8 or faster heavy cavalry units in the DCMS' arsenal.  The Ultra 5 AC also has a range of 20 hexes, which almost  matches the best long range guns available to the IS at the time.  People may not like the Ultra because it only hits 33% of the time when fired on double rate, but 21 to 25 pts of damage at 20 hexes (assuming the LRM 5 hits) is pretty good for a unit in this weight class that moves 5/8 during the time period. Rip out the ML or LRM 5 for a C3 Slave, and now your mech's range becomes more of a benefit.  I can see this paired up with the Tai-Sho, the Shugenja, or the Naginata when more C3 command units come out. Or a Kintaro.

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #44 on: 18 April 2021, 10:47:33 »
Risk not the wrath of the Jason Collective ...

There's FOUR of us now!  We are legion, we are the Jason!
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« Reply #45 on: 18 April 2021, 10:49:44 »
You say all this, but what I hear is...."Blame Jason"

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #46 on: 18 April 2021, 11:27:14 »
Only used this 'Mech once. The first time I used it, I remember I took a head shot and a cockpit critical on the first turn it was in range of the enemy, before getting off any return fire, all of which missed. Never gave it another look since.

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #47 on: 19 April 2021, 19:38:10 »
The 01 Daikyu is also rather similar to the 03 Lancelot that the Kuritans seem to use more than others. Sadly the Daikyu line doesn't seem to survive the Black Dragons and the Jihad, but I suppose it could've been rebuilt at some point.

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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #48 on: 19 April 2021, 20:59:26 »
One thing you can bank on is that mechs never stay dead.
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #49 on: 21 April 2021, 14:57:16 »
It has a pretty niche, but important role in direct-fire support duties, one that Kurita doesn't really have a lot of options in- particularly post-Jihad, since I'm pretty sure the Mauler is a dead design at that point too. One or the other seems like a pretty important one to get back in production, as a result. (If there's other Mechs in the Draconis inventory that perform that role, I'm not thinking of them clearly after a long day at the office.)
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Re: MOT* Daikyu
« Reply #50 on: 21 April 2021, 15:06:29 »
particularly post-Jihad, since I'm pretty sure the Mauler is a dead design at that point too

The 1K and 3R are still around, although the former isn't exactly doing direct-fire support in the same way. The 3R certainly is, though.

 

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