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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #60 on: 09 July 2022, 16:05:48 »
Article restored. The next time any post even twitches in the direction of non-canon designs or rules, it will be disappeared forever. People put a lot of work into these articles, it's time everyone else learned that disrespect has consequences.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #61 on: 09 July 2022, 16:24:07 »
I just now realized that I never said how much I enjoyed the article.

So great article, by the way.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #62 on: 09 July 2022, 16:54:37 »
I'm very confused. SSVs *are* integrated into the game, as are their larger cousins.
They aren't very visible. Figure most folks are barely aware they exists, of their rules, and so on. They feel like extra rules easily, not like native part of the game. Not to mention their lack of visibility in fiction.

(I didn't know of the ones in Time of War as i don't have that. And i do forget others from other books.)
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #63 on: 09 July 2022, 18:39:17 »
Because the universe is centered around Battlemechs that can take shrug off a tank round to the center mass. The demand for details on utility vehicle vs Battlemechs and other larger units is very niche. I wasn't even aware we had this many until this article and it was almost wrecked because some people can't help taking this as a opportunity to talking about how their should be a rule for everything 4 wheel vehicle, bicycle and/or pogo stick.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #64 on: 09 July 2022, 19:28:15 »
Small Support Vehicles don't have to be utility oriented though. They can be designed for combat. Their capabilities are just far more limited than that of a Combat Vehicle.

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #65 on: 09 July 2022, 19:47:42 »
The Monocycle seems like a purpose-built combat unit for sure. I remember its art made my laugh (and think it cool) in TRO Irregulars but i didn't pay more attention to it.
Think i need to try it some day.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #66 on: 10 July 2022, 11:00:46 »
Because the universe is centered around Battlemechs that can take shrug off a tank round to the center mass. The demand for details on utility vehicle vs Battlemechs and other larger units is very niche. I wasn't even aware we had this many until this article and it was almost wrecked because some people can't help taking this as a opportunity to talking about how their should be a rule for everything 4 wheel vehicle, bicycle and/or pogo stick.
I mean, mechanical jump boosters are kind of like pogo sticks... though I guess those are more like 'Mech powered anti-gravity shoes: Moon Shoes.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #67 on: 14 July 2022, 16:06:49 »
Going back to the Hoverbike (SL) . . . it is listed as having 15 shots . . . is that per Support Laser or total?
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #68 on: 14 July 2022, 16:45:44 »
May want to ask in the Rules Forum to make sure, but my reading is that if the ammo is up there in the weapon stats, it's per weapon.

Either that or the Minigun Cycle (SRM) has two SRM salvos for four launchers...
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #69 on: 14 July 2022, 16:49:26 »
May want to ask in the Rules Forum to make sure, but my reading is that if the ammo is up there in the weapon stats, it's per weapon.
That would be the case, yeah. Small weapon ammos in Classic are weird like that.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #70 on: 14 July 2022, 16:51:01 »
Probably because all Small weapons get their first clip for free. You only pay for ammo mass if you include more on top of that.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #71 on: 14 July 2022, 17:01:06 »
Seems that some of these have... optimistic amounts of ammo, at least on tabletop scale. Probably different for the RPG?
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #72 on: 14 July 2022, 17:16:19 »
Seems that some of these have... optimistic amounts of ammo, at least on tabletop scale. Probably different for the RPG?
Yeah, small/medium weapons scale a bit better in the AToW (for the most part). Imagine small/medium weapons mounted on vehicles in Classic like you would on an actual Humvee or what have you; able to draw from vehicle-carried ammo reserves that would be... inconvenient for an infantryman to try and lug on long marches.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #73 on: 14 July 2022, 23:42:31 »
 . . . Hoverbike got behind a Catapult C5A . . . both Support Lasers hit . . . bam!  a shot to the head.

It was pretty useful this game, no woods for the battlefield but having a cruise of 12 let it be a excellent spotter- move far enough to have a high TMM while keeping the range open.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #74 on: 15 July 2022, 09:21:36 »
Yes, good... Now strike him down, and your journey to the Support Side will be complete!
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #75 on: 15 July 2022, 09:27:41 »
We did a fight among buildings, so having that speed even just cruising let me get a LOS on mechs who were hiding from my Archer.  I had left my -4M2 sheet so I had to use a -5CS . . . and one of the four LRM15s managed to hit on the spotting attempt, had ammo to burn on needing 11s.

The hoverbike got shot at by two different players, and since it lived both missed lol.  One person asked 'So it is a type of Savannah Master?'  I told him not quite, it makes the Savannah Master look well armored.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #76 on: 15 July 2022, 09:31:15 »
Kind of a little brother to the Savannah...  8)

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« Reply #77 on: 15 July 2022, 09:36:15 »
Yeah the ultra-high speed of the Hoverbike(and any other fast SSV) makes it surprisingly useful in urban combat. You need ABSOLUTE throttle discipline though, because any skid is pretty much guaranteed to kill you.

If you're willing to risk your friendship with the other players, remember that they're still full-size vehicles as far as stacking and enemy-held hex rules are concerned. Now get out there and stop traffic! >:D
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #78 on: 15 July 2022, 09:40:11 »
Oh, the backshot on the Catapult was to keep it from backing up too.  The 10k game turned into a 4 person FFA with 2 returning players who saw our table at the Con, had one player start counting out walking his Mercury around my BA.  Let him know that was no longer the case with BA/Inf, he could walk through them to get directly behind my Archer.

It was honestly received pretty well, laughter when I said it was armed with popguns.  More laughter when I said the lasers had ammo and did 1pt of damage.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #79 on: 15 July 2022, 10:00:05 »
And if anyone complains about the ammo count for energy weapons, point out that no matter how many Mauser IICs or ER Heavy Support Lasers you cram into something, you'll never have to spend a single gram of mass on heat sinks or power amplifiers. :)
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #80 on: 15 July 2022, 10:06:36 »
One player linked the idea to Chem Lasers, but it was still amusement at the plinking eggshell running around mechs.
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« Reply #81 on: 15 July 2022, 10:08:33 »
And if players are laughing then they're having fun, and the SSVs made that game a success. :thumbsup:
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #82 on: 12 August 2022, 02:59:20 »
I just yesterday discovered the SSV minis from IWM and wondered if they were usable besides a stand-in for mechanized infantry. Well, now I have to wonder no more!

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