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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #30 on: 28 June 2022, 18:03:39 »
Pretty much occupied by VTOL BA or jump infantry . . . but who would not want to see-

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #31 on: 29 June 2022, 02:56:18 »

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #33 on: 07 July 2022, 09:28:34 »
Hoverbikes . . . you said b/c they were 'cycles' they could move through woods, to clarify just light woods?  How do they handle buildings?  I am thinking of using a hoverbike just for s&g in a upcoming game to have something racing around.
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« Reply #34 on: 07 July 2022, 09:43:07 »
Hoverbikes . . . you said b/c they were 'cycles' they could move through woods, to clarify just light woods?  How do they handle buildings?

Exactly the same way as any other vehicle. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #35 on: 07 July 2022, 09:45:28 »
Exactly the same way as any other vehicle. :thumbsup:

You make me wish we would have thought of that in TacOps. Letting bikes go through light buildings would have been awesome!

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« Reply #36 on: 07 July 2022, 09:53:02 »
You make me wish we would have thought of that in TacOps. Letting bikes go through light buildings would have been awesome!

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« Reply #37 on: 07 July 2022, 09:53:40 »
Ok, just wanted to check since Protomechs handle them more like infantry than mechs.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #38 on: 07 July 2022, 09:57:11 »
Using SSVs is all about tradeoffs. Individual bikes are a LOT faster, but grouping them into a motor or mechinf platoons gives you infantry shenanigans such as looting Aisle 3. :thumbsup:
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #39 on: 07 July 2022, 10:33:19 »
Just looking to wring the max advantage I can when I bring it rather than it being considered a init sink in a combined arms battle.  Spotting for a Archer's IDF, backshooting, and blocking enemy movement are the top 3 right now.

Can these small SVs let MagClamp BA ride?  MagClamp protos?
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« Reply #40 on: 07 July 2022, 10:51:15 »
I highly doubt it in both cases. I know they can't carry regular BA even if they're Omnis, but it might be worth checking with the Rules Forum.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #41 on: 07 July 2022, 11:08:26 »
Pretty sure it would not work with Protos, mechs get a penalty depending on size of mech & proto.  I would imagine it would work the same as the Omni answer, since magclamps are more restrictive on the carrying vehicle.

Love to see some Dragoon PA(L) or Light BA . . . rides a motorcycle or hoverbike to get to a deployment area, dismounts and proceeds as the normal BA.  But operate/dismount has not been a mechanic BT included for table top, leaving it to RPGs.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #42 on: 07 July 2022, 12:51:33 »
You make me wish we would have thought of that in TacOps. Letting bikes go through light buildings would have been awesome!

"Sir, a company of armed bikers just roared out of that department store trailing lingerie!"

I see, the Blues Brothers rule.  "Make that driver's skill check to not crash into the music store."

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« Reply #43 on: 07 July 2022, 14:10:27 »
Love how in depth this went. Thank you for your time writing this up, Weirdo.
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« Reply #44 on: 07 July 2022, 17:38:56 »
I see, the Blues Brothers rule.  "Make that driver's skill check to not crash into the music store."

That's where the Pink Demolisher II is hiding. You can tell by the Icelandic Death Rock coming out of the store...
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« Reply #46 on: 08 July 2022, 04:34:35 »
I highly doubt it in both cases. I know they can't carry regular BA even if they're Omnis, but it might be worth checking with the Rules Forum.

I would think they would be a weight issue with battlearmor.  too heavy may cause certain vehicles to have issue with its handling from that may cause it to tip over.

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« Reply #48 on: 08 July 2022, 13:43:32 »
Article removed. Will be restored when the customs talk is 100% gone.
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« Reply #50 on: 08 July 2022, 15:09:13 »
Article removed. Will be restored when the customs talk is 100% gone.
Respectfully, you couldn't have just given them a quick mod notice? Seems a bit extreme to purge the article, even temporarily, over one member throwing out the outline of a hypothetical custom.
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« Reply #51 on: 08 July 2022, 15:35:27 »
Respectfully, you couldn't have just given them a quick mod notice? Seems a bit extreme to purge the article, even temporarily, over one member throwing out the outline of a hypothetical custom.

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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #53 on: 09 July 2022, 07:06:17 »
I thought it was a good article.  I like all kinds of support vehicles in general as they add a kind of RL component to BattleTech where there was none previously - at least officially, anyway.

I still think their integration into the game, specifically small support vehicles, is a missed opportunity that I hope is addressed by TPTB in the future.
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« Reply #54 on: 09 July 2022, 08:54:07 »
It is a great write up, gives me good reason to look up those books.

I disagree with my fellow players about it being a 'missed opportunity' but rather hard to fit in a game with Battlemechs that can stomp tanks underfoot. I won't argue about rules or perceptions on infantry in game as this is what killing a great topic but I see the inclusion of Small Support Vehicles as something great for RPing and world build (much like the stuff in TRO:VA) and while I don't believe we need stats for every vehicle (no, I don't want starts for a 2039 Honda Civic) it's great to have solid examples for gaming purposes.
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Re: VotW - Small Support Vehicles
« Reply #55 on: 09 July 2022, 09:14:32 »
I think my favorite of them is that Hell's Horses hovering.  It reminds me of a Star Wars AAT combined with a STAP.
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« Reply #56 on: 09 July 2022, 14:25:32 »
I thought it was a good article.  I like all kinds of support vehicles in general as they add a kind of RL component to BattleTech where there was none previously - at least officially, anyway.

I still think their integration into the game, specifically small support vehicles, is a missed opportunity that I hope is addressed by TPTB in the future.

It is a great write up, gives me good reason to look up those books.

I disagree with my fellow players about it being a 'missed opportunity' but rather hard to fit in a game with Battlemechs that can stomp tanks underfoot. I won't argue about rules or perceptions on infantry in game as this is what killing a great topic but I see the inclusion of Small Support Vehicles as something great for RPing and world build (much like the stuff in TRO:VA) and while I don't believe we need stats for every vehicle (no, I don't want starts for a 2039 Honda Civic) it's great to have solid examples for gaming purposes.


I agree. I do hope we get better integration in the future. I also hope we get more small vehicles. Ever since Combat Equipment, I figured that small vehicles could be a lot tech/low cost alternative, and even counter, to Battle Armor. Especially since they'd already be in service. They worked well in that roll with the RPG Support Weapon Conversion Table in Combat Equipment. They got really nerfed with TechManual. :( Still, envisioning swarms of Tankettes charging a Battle Armor Platoon makes me smile.  ;D

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« Reply #57 on: 09 July 2022, 15:39:38 »
It seems the offending post was removed... can we have the article back please? ???

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« Reply #58 on: 09 July 2022, 15:55:10 »
Article restored. The next time any post even twitches in the direction of non-canon designs or rules, it will be disappeared forever. People put a lot of work into these articles, it's time everyone else learned that disrespect has consequences.
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« Reply #59 on: 09 July 2022, 15:57:41 »
I thought it was a good article.  I like all kinds of support vehicles in general as they add a kind of RL component to BattleTech where there was none previously - at least officially, anyway.

I still think their integration into the game, specifically small support vehicles, is a missed opportunity that I hope is addressed by TPTB in the future.

I'm very confused. SSVs *are* integrated into the game, as are their larger cousins.
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