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Izzy193

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Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« on: 24 November 2022, 13:29:46 »
Right this is more a curiousity, but what if the IS and Clans begun using endo steel more and more in lightening equipment like the Clans did with thier version of rotary autocannon. I cam curious if we could incorporate Endo-steel into more IS or Clan Equipment(Assuming the latter doesn't already do this). sure equipment made with Endo-steel is going to be bulkier than one without and more exspensive than tech made without it. but the reduced weight could be used for more firepower,more mobility or more armor on a unit.

So I wonder why Endo steel is not more commonly used in construction of weapons and equipment. What would be the pros and cons of incpororating endo-steel into weapons and equipment construction? would it be worth it even in a limite production capacity?

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #1 on: 24 November 2022, 13:41:20 »
Endo-Steel is regularly fluffed as a unique crystalline construct that must be made in Zero-G and takes up more volume. It might be that this metal has poor ballistic properties (maybe it wears harder) although I would say that the Light and Proto autocannons might incorporate some an both have reduced range and weight. There is also the volume increase which could be detrimental to widespread adapation.

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« Reply #2 on: 24 November 2022, 14:30:52 »
I think AlphaMirage has it right.  Endo-Steel's "secret sauce" was zero-G production.  LB-X ACs also theoretically incorpated some of this...

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #3 on: 24 November 2022, 20:33:41 »
I think AlphaMirage has it right.  Endo-Steel's "secret sauce" was zero-G production.  LB-X ACs also theoretically incorpated some of this...

Sounds like Cannonshop's Belters would use it nearly everywhere.

Victor S-D: "Endo-Steel can only be made in Zero-G"
Elizabeth: (glances at the Belter representative) "How many megatons do you want to buy?"

Izzy193

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #4 on: 25 November 2022, 07:19:44 »
Thank you guys for your replis thus far, I wanted to discuss this a part of some research for my deep peripthery nation. because I was considering them using endo-steel in thier equipment and weapon construction to make them somewhat unique. so thier equipment would be overall bulkier and lighter than typical IS counterparts.

Sounds like Cannonshop's Belters would use it nearly everywhere.

Victor S-D: "Endo-Steel can only be made in Zero-G"
Elizabeth: (glances at the Belter representative) "How many megatons do you want to buy?"

I can see the Belters using this widespread. you've got a point there.


I think AlphaMirage has it right.  Endo-Steel's "secret sauce" was zero-G production.  LB-X ACs also theoretically incorpated some of this...

well in the context of the IS UAC/5 and LB-X 10 AC I can see this theoretically being a good reason for thier unusual tonnages in comparison to other classes of thier type.

Endo-Steel is regularly fluffed as a unique crystalline construct that must be made in Zero-G and takes up more volume. It might be that this metal has poor ballistic properties (maybe it wears harder) although I would say that the Light and Proto autocannons might incorporate some an both have reduced range and weight. There is also the volume increase which could be detrimental to widespread adapation.

I can see that being only made in zero-G as a good reason not to use it in weapon and equipment. the increased bulk might not too much of a detterment, but it's the time and money consumed in making endo-steel that's the main problem. I don't think ware and tear is as a major issue for endo-steel as one mgiht think. Otherwise it wouldn't have been used in mechs.

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #5 on: 25 November 2022, 14:01:34 »
There's every reason to believe that the discoveries which make one equipment possible (Endo-Steel structure) could make others possible (LBX ACs, Endo-Composite structure).

I feel like that's getting pretty close to a tech tree. Are we saying that never in the Succession Wars did anyone think to make a light machine gun or are we saying that a slightly lighter machine gun was only made possible by industrial processes/materials of the post-3050 era?

Personally, a suite of lighter, more crit-intensive equipment would be an interesting niche. When mixed with standard equipment, you'd probably get a lot of designs that 'finish' with ES Equipment, using every crit to eke out a few extra tons.
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« Reply #6 on: 25 November 2022, 14:10:17 »
Given the existence of the Support Machine Gun from Pre-Spaceflight days, I'm in the camp that says Light Machine Guns always exist.

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #7 on: 25 November 2022, 18:40:24 »
The IS "light" machine gun isn't actually lighter, just less powerful and longer-ranged.

AFAIK the only thing the Endo-Steel is responsible for on the LB-10X is the reduced weight (and probably increased bulk).  An advanced integrated targeting computer is the cause of its range increase.

Personally, I don't think it's worthwhile from a game design standpoint to have an array of weapons whose sole purpose is being the same as existing weaponry, but lighter. (though another interpretation is that Clan tech is that suite, albeit with other benefits...)

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #8 on: 25 November 2022, 20:50:48 »
At first I thought you meant industrial equipment. I do think that Endo-Steel is being used in some weapons. I think it started with the SLDF, was improved on by the Clans and now the IS is replicating and advancing SLDF tech, in their own way. It would be interesting to see ES applied to Industrial Equipment.



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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #9 on: 25 November 2022, 20:51:38 »
A lighter Lift Hoist would be AWESOME!  :)

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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #10 on: 25 November 2022, 23:37:36 »
A lighter Lift Hoist would be AWESOME!  :)
Do you not let them lift 1,900% of their tonnage like structure does? /s
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Re: Endo-Steel and equipment construction.
« Reply #11 on: 26 November 2022, 06:00:53 »
Vehicles can mount four, for 200% of the mass of the vehicle.  At three tons each, it takes 12 tons to mount them all.  Cutting that down to 10 or less would be great!

 

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