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Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« on: 25 June 2022, 19:18:08 »
The IS Support Lasers for infantry skip from the Support Laser at 3/6/9 range (10 PPS) to the Support Laser, Heavy at 5/10/15 (20 PPS).  Obviously there should be something in between...

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Name Tech TL Type AToW R PPS AP BD TW Dmg Wt Crew TW R TW Dmg Cost

Support Laser, Medium IS D Medium/Support 105 15 6 9 0.95 90 kg 2 4 1 25,000

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #1 on: 26 June 2022, 01:12:47 »
Looks good and makes sense.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #2 on: 26 June 2022, 03:57:59 »
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #3 on: 26 June 2022, 20:28:08 »
Kind of makes me wonder how Chemical Lasers would work as Field Guns...
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #4 on: 27 June 2022, 03:11:47 »
Good question, but I don't think it would end well...

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #5 on: 27 June 2022, 15:01:17 »
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Kind of makes me wonder how Chemical Lasers would work as Field Guns...

Hmm...good question. I don't know why they couldn't be. They just use a different type of ammo. Of course I think Missiles should be available. Actually, I don't know why any vehicle scale weapon couldn't be made into a field gun. There is an old magazine that had construction rules for making Field Guns. I thought it was pretty good but haven't tried them yet. 


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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #6 on: 27 June 2022, 16:40:18 »
Hmm...good question. I don't know why they couldn't be. They just use a different type of ammo. Of course I think Missiles should be available. Actually, I don't know why any vehicle scale weapon couldn't be made into a field gun. There is an old magazine that had construction rules for making Field Guns. I thought it was pretty good but haven't tried them yet.

Well, I can give a reason for regular energy weapons, and that is due to weight of generator and cooling.

Chemical Lasers, however, operate like Ballistic and Missile Weapons on Conventional Vehicles, so it makes sense they wouldn't need the generators and cooling systems that the pure energy weapons would.
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #7 on: 27 June 2022, 17:49:21 »
The IS Support Lasers for infantry skip from the Support Laser at 3/6/9 range (10 PPS) to the Support Laser, Heavy at 5/10/15 (20 PPS).  Obviously there should be something in between...

Don't you count the 'ER Support Laser'?

Calling that one the 'medium' support laser doesn't sound quite right. Even the semi-portable version is bulky and inconvenient. Perhaps a brand name could work?

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #8 on: 27 June 2022, 18:31:22 »
The ER Support Laser is TL E, not D...  8)

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #9 on: 27 June 2022, 18:35:44 »
The ER Support Laser is TL E, not D...  8)

Sure, does that matter? Some gaps in equipment get filled in during tech progression.

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #10 on: 27 June 2022, 18:39:21 »
My point is that gap should have been filled LONG ago... like before the Reunification War...  ^-^

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #11 on: 27 June 2022, 19:29:54 »
Well, I can give a reason for regular energy weapons, and that is due to weight of generator and cooling.

Chemical Lasers, however, operate like Ballistic and Missile Weapons on Conventional Vehicles, so it makes sense they wouldn't need the generators and cooling systems that the pure energy weapons would.



If we go with handwavium, like hand held weapons, we'd only need the weapon and enough heat sinks. The larger energy weapons would still be a bit heavy but the lighter ones wouldn't be that bad.
If an engine was required though, it'd only add .5-1 ton for a Rated 10 Engine plus .5 tons for a power amplifier if needed.

If Chemical Lasers were available for Field Guns, I could see them staying in service with Field Gun Platoons, long after vehicles stopped using them simply because they're lighter. You could have 5 Large Chemical Laser Field Guns at 6 tons each to 2 Large Laser Field Guns at 13 tons each. Maybe even just 1 if engines and power amplifiers are required. That's a big advantage, so I think Chemical Lasers would work pretty good as Field Guns. Better than  Energy weapons, and we have two of those. Technically.

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #12 on: 27 June 2022, 20:05:57 »
It's the handling of the "ammo" that could be a problem, I think...  8)

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #13 on: 28 June 2022, 04:06:24 »
Except for any toxicity issues with the ammo, I would regard field gun Chem-Lasers as more believable than field gun Gauss Rifles, because of the energy needs. Of course, I also can't see Gauss Rifles on ICE vehicles without  [edit] capacitors amplifiers.
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #14 on: 28 June 2022, 15:56:52 »
If Chemical Lasers were available for Field Guns, I could see them staying in service with Field Gun Platoons, long after vehicles stopped using them simply because they're lighter. You could have 5 Large Chemical Laser Field Guns at 6 tons each to 2 Large Laser Field Guns at 13 tons each. Maybe even just 1 if engines and power amplifiers are required. That's a big advantage, so I think Chemical Lasers would work pretty good as Field Guns. Better than  Energy weapons, and we have two of those. Technically.

Kind of what I was thinking.

It's the handling of the "ammo" that could be a problem, I think...  8)

Yeah, however the Hell's Horses figured it out seems to work well enough.  If the Red Kite lore is accurate, it wouldn't be much more dangerous than having bags of propellant in the short term.

Except for any toxicity issues with the ammo, I would regard field gun Chem-Lasers as more believable than field gun Gauss Rifles, because of the energy needs. Of course, I also can't see Gauss Rifles on ICE vehicles without capacitors.

Same, or at least the same amplifiers that Energy Weapons use, though maybe lighter?
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #15 on: 28 June 2022, 16:18:55 »
Same, or at least the same amplifiers that Energy Weapons use, though maybe lighter?

Thanks, that's the word I was missing. ;)
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #16 on: 28 June 2022, 16:39:05 »
Kind of what I was thinking.

Yeah, however the Hell's Horses figured it out seems to work well enough.  If the Red Kite lore is accurate, it wouldn't be much more dangerous than having bags of propellant in the short term.

Same, or at least the same amplifiers that Energy Weapons use, though maybe lighter?


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That's what I would think. Chem Lasers shouldn't be more dangerous to use on field guns than on other unit types. It's the reloading, and repairs after an ammo explosion, presuming anything is left, that I think would be dangerous.

Doesn't the ChemJet AC/20 on the Demolisher use liquid chemicals?

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #17 on: 28 June 2022, 19:06:52 »
It might, but rules-wise it's just AC/20 ammo...

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #18 on: 28 June 2022, 19:13:19 »
That's what I would think. Chem Lasers shouldn't be more dangerous to use on field guns than on other unit types. It's the reloading, and repairs after an ammo explosion, presuming anything is left, that I think would be dangerous.

Well, now there's a duty that's worse than KP or latrine.

Of course, I can't really say much, I made a proposal for weaponizing a skin-contact psychodelic for fluid guns, missiles, and even A-Pods.
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #19 on: 28 June 2022, 19:39:29 »
It might, but rules-wise it's just AC/20 ammo...

True but if it could work as a field gun, why not Chemical Lasers?

Well, now there's a duty that's worse than KP or latrine.

Of course, I can't really say much, I made a proposal for weaponizing a skin-contact psychodelic for fluid guns, missiles, and even A-Pods.


Lol :)

So the angry protesters become happy protesters.

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #20 on: 29 June 2022, 01:12:04 »
Lol :)

So the angry protesters become happy protesters.
Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction :D
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #21 on: 29 June 2022, 03:24:11 »
Was it Asimov who said "History just has to happen... only fiction has to make sense!"?

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #22 on: 29 June 2022, 09:06:48 »
Was it Asimov who said "History just has to happen... only fiction has to make sense!"?

Fiction has to make sense to a large number of people in order to sell books, history only has to make sense to the person making the decision

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #23 on: 29 June 2022, 12:59:43 »
Lol :)

So the angry protesters become happy protesters.

Well, not every experience with a psychedelic is a happy one.
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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #24 on: 29 June 2022, 18:11:41 »
Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction :D

That is some kinky ordnance. :o


Well, not every experience with a psychedelic is a happy one.

Interesting story. I like it.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #25 on: 29 June 2022, 18:38:40 »
Was it Asimov who said "History just has to happen... only fiction has to make sense!"?

The usual quote along those lines is by Mark Twain.

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #26 on: 29 June 2022, 19:08:40 »
Thanks!  That's why I asked...  8)

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Re: Support Laser, Medium (IS)
« Reply #27 on: 29 June 2022, 19:27:01 »
Fiction has to make sense to a large number of people in order to sell books, history only has to make sense to the person making the decision

History doesn't have to make sense at all, it's an approximation of events. Fiction (usually) has to be plausible in order to produce a coherent narrative message. A story usually has a point to it, real life has no protagonists. Or another way, if someone behaves 'out of character' in real life it still happened - in fiction it might not make an editorial cut. 'Making sense' is a rationalisation.