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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #120 on: 07 February 2021, 20:31:34 »
Put the fan manual stuff under the photo?
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #121 on: 08 February 2021, 07:18:29 »
Put the fan manual stuff under the photo?

That's actually a really good suggestion.  It looks top heavy.

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #122 on: 09 February 2021, 08:03:04 »
I can't wait for it come out.  Gunnery is a good writer.  :D
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #123 on: 09 February 2021, 16:12:26 »
Quick question, what do you guys think of the attached cover?

I really love your work on the Society. The Coreships are something Battletech desperately needs given their ability and history of blowing themselves back to the stone ages. I've studied covers and I have lots to say but it's just my opinion. A simple cover has it's own message.

I swear by the rule of 7. You can't have more than 7 elements on a cover or add. Exactly what makes up an element is complicated but generally, any dominating image or line of text but on the back a paragraph can be a single element. Humans have trouble with image recognition and memory after 7 distinct elements. It's why phone numbers were 7 digits before cell phones.

Your covers clock in at a 3-4 while most battletech TROs and Field Manuals covers hit a 6. Their books usually have a number and company logo. It busies up the cover and I think that gives it a more professional look. You could give your books an arbitrary number, or find out how the BTT numbering system works and assign a number. You could also throw up a nod to Catalyst Games, based on material by, or something like that.

I think the Society Field Manual cover could use 1 more piece of art. A small logo or some kind of symbol, outside of the main image. And I would add two elements to the bottom, perhaps on the left and right. One could be the symbol.

Cover Titles today love being busy. They use raised edges, gradients, images behind text, and usually have a few elements inside them. Take a look at the 35 on this page with the Warhammer in front of it. We've got a gradient inner edge. Raised edge, Gradient outer edge. Gradient filler image with scratches. Inner Drop shadow at about a 45 degree angel. Plus the warhammer.

If you are interested, I'd love to take a shot at one of your covers. I'm not an artist like the fellows making the paintings, but I've done a lot of assembly of elements to produce covers and I'd enjoy the practice.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #124 on: 10 February 2021, 17:19:13 »

Thank everyone for your feedback, it really helps. I have shifted some of the red back to black to create the illusion of more elements and moved some text down.

If you are interested, I'd love to take a shot at one of your covers. I'm not an artist like the fellows making the paintings, but I've done a lot of assembly of elements to produce covers and I'd enjoy the practice.
Sure I am very interested in seeing what can be done, I have attached the current altered cover page (open office file).
Also please let us know to produce those effects, me and many others are eager to learn.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #125 on: 10 February 2021, 21:30:53 »
I made a cover based on the classic style and then decided to revise it to the modern style so there are two. Hopefully the link works.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/hy5fJBu8xm5WxAqw8
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #126 on: 10 February 2021, 21:47:18 »

Wow those look great.... :drool:
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #127 on: 10 February 2021, 23:50:42 »
Thank you. If you want to PM me your email I can fire you off the originals so you can use them. (Do you have Photoshop?)
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #128 on: 11 February 2021, 01:20:50 »
Looks great! :D
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #129 on: 11 February 2021, 08:32:39 »
I like the 2nd one myself but with The Society name placed where it is on the 1st sample.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #130 on: 11 February 2021, 09:35:12 »
I like the 2nd one myself but with The Society name placed where it is on the 1st sample.

Seconded. Otherwise it looks concealing.

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #131 on: 12 February 2021, 01:14:21 »
I really love your work on the Society. The Coreships are something Battletech desperately needs given their ability and history of blowing themselves back to the stone ages. I've studied covers and I have lots to say but it's just my opinion. A simple cover has it's own message.

I swear by the rule of 7. You can't have more than 7 elements on a cover or add. Exactly what makes up an element is complicated but generally, any dominating image or line of text but on the back a paragraph can be a single element. Humans have trouble with image recognition and memory after 7 distinct elements. It's why phone numbers were 7 digits before cell phones.

Your covers clock in at a 3-4 while most battletech TROs and Field Manuals covers hit a 6. Their books usually have a number and company logo. It busies up the cover and I think that gives it a more professional look. You could give your books an arbitrary number, or find out how the BTT numbering system works and assign a number. You could also throw up a nod to Catalyst Games, based on material by, or something like that.

I think the Society Field Manual cover could use 1 more piece of art. A small logo or some kind of symbol, outside of the main image. And I would add two elements to the bottom, perhaps on the left and right. One could be the symbol.

Cover Titles today love being busy. They use raised edges, gradients, images behind text, and usually have a few elements inside them. Take a look at the 35 on this page with the Warhammer in front of it. We've got a gradient inner edge. Raised edge, Gradient outer edge. Gradient filler image with scratches. Inner Drop shadow at about a 45 degree angel. Plus the warhammer.

If you are interested, I'd love to take a shot at one of your covers. I'm not an artist like the fellows making the paintings, but I've done a lot of assembly of elements to produce covers and I'd enjoy the practice.

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #132 on: 13 February 2021, 06:57:42 »
Been crazy busy, but I am going to send MainGunnery the originals. Then he can adjust them around but moving the title around is really simple, so when it's not 3AM and I should be in bed, I'll play with it a bit.

Where have I been? Love the comment. Well, I've been writing for a long time, plus a million other things a starving author has to learn because he can't hire anyone to do them. These covers were just photo-manipulation. Layout work can only be as good as the art.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #133 on: 14 February 2021, 00:16:39 »
Where have I been? Love the comment. Well, I've been writing for a long time, plus a million other things a starving author has to learn because he can't hire anyone to do them. These covers were just photo-manipulation. Layout work can only be as good as the art.

Yeah, made the first decent cover for one of my own fan projects, it was like, <EVIL CACKLE> - "PERFECT!"
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #134 on: 14 February 2021, 10:09:02 »
Christ I'm going to have to talk to you lol.

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #135 on: 15 February 2021, 11:32:10 »
I feel we seriously need a pinned thread and YouTube tutorials to help people with these types of projects.  Learning how to do a good cover/ lay out would be so cool.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #136 on: 15 February 2021, 13:33:25 »
Your number one step for cover design is to look at other covers. You can look at old covers to actually look at what to kind of avoid, and new covers to see where things have transitioned. 80's covers loved painted art and titles. As digital technology became available people fell in love with Stroke. Drop Shadow and Gradient. Today, it's easy to embed pictures so covers are way more complicated.

The fun part of covers is when you finish and ask for feedback and someone goes, meh, it's boring. And that's when you restart.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #137 on: 22 February 2021, 01:32:55 »
It makes me think that some WOB remnants in the IS found their way into the Society.

I feel darkly amused by the implications

I have that in my AUverse Azeroth, home of my Clan Iron Dolphins...

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #138 on: 22 February 2021, 07:42:57 »
I have that in my AUverse Azeroth, home of my Clan Iron Dolphins...

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Or Vice Versa, I'm not picky.

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #139 on: 22 February 2021, 11:59:59 »
Or Vice Versa, I'm not picky.

*Looks around awkwardly*  Or both heh heh.

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #140 on: 23 February 2021, 00:42:03 »
I have mixed feelings about WOB in the Society. The Society exists trying to get out of servitude to the warrior class. The WOB is a fanatical warrior class looking to subjugate everyone. Still, they both have an obsession with technology which could make strange bed-fellows.
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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #141 on: 23 February 2021, 13:14:26 »
My setting has the Society barely escaping running ragtag fromy Iron Dolphin Watch. WoB shows up on scene and it's like Hey where here, what's next Master? Rebuild...

So they start off duping the systems with " upgrades " for materials. Common sense is never look at gift horse in the mouth but you should anyway, but you didn't.

Comes along a Society ship doing normal " Clan " things of being innocent, and one meets the other and hit it off. WoBM wants clantech, Society wants to be less pressed, so it acts as the Word's liason. Meanwhile hiding in plain sight. . .

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #142 on: 23 February 2021, 13:30:27 »
My setting has the Society barely escaping running ragtag fromy Iron Dolphin Watch. WoB shows up on scene and it's like Hey where here, what's next Master? Rebuild...

So they start off duping the systems with " upgrades " for materials. Common sense is never look at gift horse in the mouth but you should anyway, but you didn't.

Comes along a Society ship doing normal " Clan " things of being innocent, and one meets the other and hit it off. WoBM wants clantech, Society wants to be less pressed, so it acts as the Word's liason. Meanwhile hiding in plain sight. . .

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Re: Fan XTRO: The Society
« Reply #143 on: 23 February 2021, 19:06:26 »
I'm updating...

New founding in progress...

New version 2.0 inbound, going to merge the two threads and rehash under that with skip button to the new version.

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