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Re: An SI in the Concordat - GhostRider's Revenants Rev.2
« Reply #570 on: 19 April 2021, 03:40:13 »
We have the Lyran Quartermaster corps transposed to the Taurian Concordat?

Or why else this quibbling ...

Let use an older solution from the real-life Royal Navy: let the point defense gunners be Marines.

That way one is even more versatile.

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« Reply #571 on: 20 April 2021, 19:10:53 »
If the clans start losing ships to nukes, it won't take them long to start using them again.  Seriously, 67 tons and less than 1M for minimal PD out of nearly 10B...
No they won't because Nuke are extremely taboo for the Clans. They refuse to use them and even at their worst points in the invasion they never used them. Even the counter invasion never made them use nukes. You are all bitching about something that will not have any affect at all. Having them or not having them will not make the ship any better because if it can't run no light PD is going to stop it from getting killed. That is why they never got any in the first place.
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« Reply #572 on: 20 April 2021, 19:19:18 »
Nukes were never taboo against targets outside of planetary orbit.  Heck, the whole Wolverine nonsense was based on using nukes.  A taboo you violate when it's convenient isn't a taboo.

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« Reply #573 on: 20 April 2021, 21:59:58 »
Nukes were never taboo against targets outside of planetary orbit.  Heck, the whole Wolverine nonsense was based on using nukes.  A taboo you violate when it's convenient isn't a taboo.
Nukes are taboo for the clans dude they didn't violate it at any point. The Wolverines thing wasn't on using Nukes. It was on trapping a Nuke to blow up a bloodname gene bank. That is also the reason they wiped out the clan for the use of the Nukes.
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« Reply #574 on: 21 April 2021, 03:21:40 »
You're also expecting the Taurians (of all people) to believe the descendants of the SLDF won't use nukes. That's a very "pull the other one" situation...

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« Reply #575 on: 23 April 2021, 20:08:24 »
You're also expecting the Taurians (of all people) to believe the descendants of the SLDF won't use nukes. That's a very "pull the other one" situation...
Yes because they have the records from the Wolverines and information from the Dragoons. They know about the cultural and martial traditions and restrictions that they work under. And they have a person with Out of Universe knowledge of how the Clans work. This SLDF is also the descendants of the one that fought during the Amaris Civil War not the one that warcrimed the periphery in the original invasion.
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« Reply #576 on: 24 April 2021, 03:34:12 »
While handling orders management for both the Draconis Combine - which had just placed an order for 50 Jenner JR9-TC3 (DHS, EndoSteel, Ferro-Fibrous, 4 ML, 1x SRM4 Streak and CASE), and the Federated Commonwealth, amidst the various requests from mercenary forces came one from an old acquaintance.
Grayson Carlyle, the leader of the Grey Death Legion, had an irresistible proposal.
The GDL had suffered badly in several hard fights against the Jade Falcons, and needed urgently some advanced equipment to rebuild its forces. Knowing that it could not match the volume of orders (and their priority) from the major nations and bigger mercenary groups, and as such, being right at the middle or end of the list to receive upgrades / replacements, it proposed that in exchange for some of its stock of Clan hardware, obtained at great cost on the battlefield and which was to all intents and purposes impossible for it to maintain, he could get a line of credit for our most advanced equipment with top priority to delivery.

Even though we all had received the Wolf’s Dragoons' datacore, the info in it was some 35 years old and perhaps a bit too much Wolf oriented. What Carlyle offered were examples of current equipment from the Jade Falcons, another Clan. Not that I believed that it was going to be much different, but some differences in models and preferences were always possible. Even though in the agreements signed in Outreach, it was defined that the Concordat would receive Clan technology samples, it was clear that this would not be one of the priorities of either the Federated Commonwealth or the Draconis Combine, they would more than probably keep said samples to themselves for their companies to analyze first. The FRR, would hand theirs over to the Earth forces as expected, since they were the ones who had put troops on the ground to help them.

After a quick conversation with Kamea as she was after all the other partner in the CHI company , we decided to satisfy Carlyle's order.
This matter led me to have a conversation with Edward, regarding precisely how to obtain technology from the Clans.
It was decided, that even though the Taurian Concordat would not officially send forces, a volunteer brigade would be created from carefully selected elements of the TDF, that would act under the guise of a mercenary unit and whose goal would be to obtain Clan hardware and secondarily gain experience fighting them outside of training with the Wolf’s Dragoons.

But, soon the politics and prejudice ugly head raised again. Even with the last decades of good relations between the Concordat and the Commonwealth, very few in the Taurian Armed Forces considered the option of serving under the Federated Commonwealth orders and since the Combine didn’t have a good reputation with mercenaries, we were in a stalemate. The Taurians didn’t accept less than independent command and full salvage rights, something the Kuritans were against on principle. Also, to guarantee that said force was not subject to limited access to supplies, something that mercenaries were always exposed to the Taurians needed to provide almost all of the needs of such force and that greatly expanded the supply train. The conclusion was to only a full TDF Task Force, with WarShip support would fit the bill. In the end, with all disguise left out, three full TDF Brigades with WarShips support and a large supply train was organized. For interaction with the Kuritans, both accepted to use the same protocols and rights that the old SLDF had when operation in the Houses territories, that have been dig up by the DCMS archivists. A Liaison Officer was accepted, but to ensure coordination and communication  services with the DCMS and DCA and with no controlling power.

In Coromodir, the negotiations with Iran Technologies ended without any accord. While their presence represented an expansion on the industrial capabilities of the province, the conditions that the Irians requested were not acceptable for Kamea. They also didn’t accept that everyone and everything needed to pass the very demanding vetting process that the Kamea security forces had.
Part of the problem, was that the Irians still thought that they were in the dominant position, and that the local rules were going to roll over themselves to have their industries on the local planets, and getting all the usual and shady perks they had inside the League. Kamea on the other side, while very interested in expanding the industrial capabilities of her territories, was in no mood to compromise the control and security of said territory.

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« Reply #577 on: 24 April 2021, 05:05:30 »
Yes because they have the records from the Wolverines and information from the Dragoons. They know about the cultural and martial traditions and restrictions that they work under. And they have a person with Out of Universe knowledge of how the Clans work. This SLDF is also the descendants of the one that fought during the Amaris Civil War not the one that warcrimed the periphery in the original invasion.
So exactly how long do you expect the clans to lay down and take surprise nukes on their supply lines?  If they won't respond in kind, they simply lose.  There aren't enough ships to guard every single shipment.

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« Reply #578 on: 24 April 2021, 07:47:13 »
So exactly how long do you expect the clans to lay down and take surprise nukes on their supply lines?  If they won't respond in kind, they simply lose.  There aren't enough ships to guard every single shipment.
Look at canon for that answer dude. At no point in any of their beatings including getting invaded themselves did the Clans ever start using Nukes. And even if the did it doesn't matter at all. Because nothing you add to this stupid ship is going to save it. Even normal weapons will kill it. What the hell are you thinking. This is not a warship it is designed to do only one thing and suck at literally everything else.
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« Reply #579 on: 24 April 2021, 10:19:39 »
What I'm thinking is that lucky shots in kind happen, and minimal PD will prevent that.  As a bonus, it works against regular missiles too.

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« Reply #580 on: 24 April 2021, 20:29:51 »
What I'm thinking is that lucky shots in kind happen, and minimal PD will prevent that.  As a bonus, it works against regular missiles too.
Again if it can't jump away immediately when confronted then any attack is going to kill it because it will not be dealing with stray shots but a coordinated attack. The only defense is to jump because anything that hits will destroy this thing and no amount of PD you have is going to save it. This is a sacrificial ship it it needs to be and not meant to fight anything not even dropships. It is meant to launch attacks on jumpships that can't move or fight back with its escorts dealing with any minor defenses attached to the targets.

What exactly did they want that caused negotiations to fall through. Just because they wouldn't get all the special treatment as in the League isn't enough. They would still have access to cutting edge infrastructure and technology and the biggest market in the Inner Sphere because the TC, MoC, their Periphery allies and the Draconis Combine/FedCom will be buying up anything and everything from the manufacturers in the TC.
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« Reply #581 on: 24 April 2021, 21:40:52 »
If it's around long enough to shoot, it's around long enough to be shot at.  It's fragile enough a single missile could do it in, and minimal PD can prevent that.

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« Reply #582 on: 25 April 2021, 02:43:10 »
Well, while the usual perks and corruption are indeed not enough to sink the deal, the refusal to submit to the security vetting is. With the presence of WoB in the ex-FWL, Kamea must be insane to let the risk of them or somebody associated with them operate inside the Aurigan Province.

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« Reply #583 on: 25 April 2021, 04:06:51 »
Excellent point!  It's too bad they missed the opportunity, but the risk just wasn't worth it.

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« Reply #584 on: 01 May 2021, 09:24:00 »
I'm surprised the TC didn't offer their "mercenary force" to the FRR. They could even have made a few snarky comments about aiding a smaller freedom loving nation against a huge invading army. The FRR is probably more desperate for aid than the FC or Dracs and would offer more support to get a large and well armed contingent with warship support.

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« Reply #585 on: 01 May 2021, 09:50:40 »
I'm surprised the TC didn't offer their "mercenary force" to the FRR. They could even have made a few snarky comments about aiding a smaller freedom loving nation against a huge invading army. The FRR is probably more desperate for aid than the FC or Dracs and would offer more support to get a large and well armed contingent with warship support.

The EDF - Earth Defense Force - already sent the equivalent of 10 RCT with warship support to the FRR. Is difficult for the TC to top or even equal that, and they don't like to be the junior partner.
Earth sent so many forces because the leaders correctly deducted that the final objective of the clans is Terra.

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« Reply #586 on: 01 May 2021, 13:49:50 »
The EDF - Earth Defense Force - already sent the equivalent of 10 RCT with warship support to the FRR. Is difficult for the TC to top or even equal that, and they don't like to be the junior partner.
Earth sent so many forces because the leaders correctly deducted that the final objective of the clans is Terra.

And now that they have a warning on what is actually coming Earth will probably militarize in a way that is foreign to many successor states.

Multiple years and the Earth system will use that time wisely.  The problem for the Inner Sphere is that a resurgent militarized Earth is not what they wanted.

Thanks to the Clans that is what they got though.

Two years or more is a lot of time to stand up armies and ships now that they take the threat seriously.

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« Reply #587 on: 02 May 2021, 02:25:51 »
What started with a ‘not involved, just selling’ posture before becoming a ‘volunteers only’ was now a full effort of the TDF to deploy the most modern and capable of its forces for a prolonged period of time against the most advanced and dangerous enemy and far far away from home.
The 2nd, 3rd, and 5th Taurian Guards, that were going to be the core of this expedition, were currently in Jamestown, training against the Wolf’s Dragoons Epsilon Regiment and the Revenants. The 2nd Canopian Cuirassiers were also present for training, even if they were not scheduled to depart to the Inner Sphere (call it a gift to the Magistracy).
While the Concordat and the Magistracy were for now not involved in the conflict, they got during the Outreach Summit, the services of one of the Wolf’s Dragoons regiments to train their forces in anti-Clan operations. The other regiments were dispatched to the nations involved in anti-Clan operations. Edward and Emma managed to secured one of the regiments to train their forces as they were there and they had agreed to sell military hardware to the other nations involved.
At same time these units were replacing all their vehicles that didn’t have fusion power, with more advanced ones or were busy refitting them. The objective was that the expeditionary force would be full fuel independent, ie 100% fusion powered. While expensive, this change freed them from the need to secure / transport fuel and gave the units more range while at the same time allowing them to operate in vacuum environments and to simplify  and reduce the supply train.
Similarly, all the ASFs of the expeditionary units were upgraded or replaced with more advanced models, the objective being that they should all  be capable of deploying Arrow IV AAM and/or A2G.
The infantry was also upgraded with all the Battle Armors being the latest Jack 2C, the “normal” units receiving  Colibri PA(L). To give it even more punch, a few prototypes of the newest Heavy  Battle Armor (2 tons) were added, for evaluation under fire.
The DropShips were all replaced by Lees, except for a few Union-BA, dedicated to transport/insert of Battle Armor units.
The JumpShips of the expeditionary force were all marked to be Mriyas, which forced some units staying home to give away theirs and receive less capable Invaders, until new ones were constructed.
To achieve all this, several units of the TDF had been ‘forced’ to transfer their more advanced hardware to the leaving units, which also received top priority in the new deliveries instead of the planned recipients.
The Naval escort force was also in the middle of a refit, upgrading its capabilities, with the DropShips and ASF components receiving equivalent upgrades.
Taurians, being Taurians, the number of Alamos and capital missiles with ‘special ordnance’ was very high. In fact, the Alamos were all of a new series, with improved seekers and ECM. In theory their efficiency was greater than the standard model, but the future battles would be the final judge for that.
The supply train would be made  of 20 Leviathans that could carry an impressive 160 DropShips force, mostly Starlifters, the heavy cargo ones.
One of these Starlifters was right now being fully modified to have an assemble/disassemble/repair ‘Mech and vehicle unit, equivalent of the most advanced only normally seen in ’Mech factories. Another was in the process of being converted into the most advanced mobile hospital ever constructed – well, outside of the top of the Star League, that is.

The very exigent training regime included replacing those that not could achieve the new much higher standards with new people, being transferred from other units.
The end result was the creation of a truly elite force, easily the very best the TDF could deploy, even if at the cost of the morale in those staying behind and siphoned of  their best personnel and hardware was not so high.
In February 3056, with the news that the Clans had resumed attack operations, and the presence of several new Clans in the front-lines, the Taurian Expeditionary Force departed for Luthien, expecting to arrive about six months later.
The supply train departed a month later, escorted by four Pinto class Corvettes, three of them with Union-CV and the last one with a Union-BA. At almost the same time the first Orca raiders, built in record time, departed Bolthole, destination, the Exodus Road.

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« Reply #588 on: 02 May 2021, 05:36:25 »
And that's just a "small" periphery nation... It will take them less than a generation to make good the "losses" of elite personnel.  8)

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« Reply #589 on: 02 May 2021, 05:54:56 »
And that's just a "small" periphery nation... It will take them less than a generation to make good the "losses" of elite personnel.  8)
Well, that 'small' Periphery Nation, has recovered several worlds lost during the Succession Wars, and absorbed another, smaller one. Right now (3055/56) has more industrial capability than the CC (and more advanced) and about the same number of worlds (i think more, but not sure). And is the nation with more warships, and building more than any other. While I said the number and classes of warships escorting the supply train, I 'forget' to do the same about the Expeditionary Force  8).

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« Reply #590 on: 02 May 2021, 06:01:26 »
The sheer number of personnel involved would break any clan, though... they never quite grasped the population thing...

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« Reply #591 on: 02 May 2021, 06:05:27 »
The sheer number of personnel involved would break any clan, though... they never quite grasped the population thing...
Yep. Earth alone, has more population than all the clans combined.

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« Reply #592 on: 02 May 2021, 08:45:09 »
Yep. Earth alone, has more population than all the clans combined.
Tarus alone has more population than all the clans combined. Cannon wise, they have ~1 billion, total among all castes.[quote
Well, that 'small' Periphery Nation, has recovered several worlds lost during the Succession Wars, and absorbed another, smaller one. Right now (3055/56) has more industrial capability than the CC (and more advanced) and about the same number of worlds (i think more, but not sure). And is the nation with more warships, and building more than any other. While I said the number and classes of warships escorting the supply train, I 'forget' to do the same about the Expeditionary Force  8).
The CC has 94 worlds. The 102 they had left after the 4th succession war, and then lost 8 in the Andurian Conflict.

The math for the TC in contrast is more complex: They start with the 57 worlds they have in canon, then get the 23 from the AC, 7 from Andurian Spoils, a 15 state protectorate in the Lothians and acquired 15 worlds during the partition of the Fronc Reaches, some of which may be uninhabited balls of rocks. So they have say 112 worlds, if 1/3rd of the Fronc reaches worlds were uninhabited.

Incidentally, the MoC has: 42 worlds (canon) + 1 (Andurian "gains") + 5 (Marian Partition) + 12 (Fronc Partition, some may be uninhabited) = 60 worlds

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« Reply #593 on: 02 May 2021, 08:50:12 »
Thanks, nice research.

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« Reply #594 on: 02 May 2021, 14:55:11 »
Nice research indeed!  And it only reinforces my point...  8)

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« Reply #595 on: 03 May 2021, 12:50:26 »
The sheer number of personnel involved would break any clan, though... they never quite grasped the population thing...
Wait Warriors don't have time to do Math  ;D
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« Reply #596 on: 03 May 2021, 15:41:09 »
I think of them as FPS players in a 4X game...  8)

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« Reply #597 on: 08 May 2021, 02:41:29 »
With data from OmniMechs provided by the Wolf’s Dragoons, and analysis of the Mercury II, VMI in collaboration with CHI, created the first Omni with IS tech.
Starting with the Marauder II 6TC, the most complicated part was the creation of a programmable Gyro. Next was the creation of OmniPods, that had the same interface as the Clan systems, so they could be compatible and later replaced or upgraded with captured Clan tech.
After much testing and false starts, the first prototype began extensive testing in April 3056. A record time for such advanced technology, with the obvious results that it was still a prototype with lots of custom-made components, and really far from being ready for production or from being free of errors and glitches.
To simplify things, the Jump Jets were fixed, present in all variants.
Primary configuration (equal to 6TC)
1 ERPPC and 1 ML on each arm, 1 LRM 10 on each torso (with 1 ton of ammo each) and 1 MPL on the CT.

Alternate A
Replaced both LRM10 and ammo with an ERPPC on the left torso, upgraded the two ML to MPL, added a Guardian ECM and an AMS with a ton of ammo.
Alternate B
Replaced the ERPPCs with ER LL, the ML with ER ML and upgraded both LRM10 to LRM15.
Alternate C
Replaced both ERPPC with ER LL and the ML with ER ML and replaced both LRM10 and respective ammo with a Gauss Rifle in the Left Torso with 4 tons of ammo.

At the same time, VMI and CHI provided technically support for MMM' new ’Mech project - the M3 and M4 variants of the Bull Shark Assault ‘Mech
The M3 swapped all the armament for 4 LRM20s, while the M4 installed 2 Arrow IVs, both with plenty of ammo and heat sinks for continuous fire. For now, like the Omni Marauder II, they were just test-beds, mass production being something for the unforeseen future.
Information coming from the Clan front reported that more Clans had been added: it seemed that the Steel Vipers, the Nova Cats, the Diamond Sharks, the Snow Ravens and the Hell’s Horses. This was worrisome because not only did it include two more Clans than I remembered, but one of them, the Snow Ravens was known for its very strong naval component.

The Steel Vipers joined the Jade Falcons - a strange connection, as I remembered them hating each other, the Nova Cats joined the Wolfs, the Diamond Sharks joined the Ghost Bears, and the Hell’s Horses shared their corridor with the Smoke Jaguars. WarShips of the Snow Ravens had been seen in all invading corridors, but so far no ground forces.
Obviously many decisions of political rather than military nature had dictated such changes.
The information was scarce, and so far no true partnership had been detected. Apparently, while sharing the same invading corridors, the Clans operated independently and on one case forces of one Clan let the Inner Sphere forces escape and didn’t come to the help of they supposed ally.

On the Free Worlds League front, while the Concordat and the Federated Commonwealth basically stopped their arms deliveries and the Magistracy severely reduced them, Capellan equipment was now detected in bigger numbers, Sun Tzu was obviously active on that front.

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« Reply #598 on: 09 May 2021, 05:07:55 »
Hello,

Been reading this TL for a while now and it's an engaging read.

If I may ask, how old is the SI now? Are his offspring making their own way into society under his tutelage?

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« Reply #599 on: 09 May 2021, 06:00:50 »
Hello,

Been reading this TL for a while now and it's an engaging read.

If I may ask, how old is the SI now? Are his offspring making their own way into society under his tutelage?
Body - 20 years in 3015 so - 61.Mind - 56 in 3015 so - 97.
The older one (25), Sara is currently serving as a Mechwarrior in the Revenants and training to succeed her mother as the next ruler of the Aurigan Province.
The twins (20), Paul and Peter, are studying to work in the public service/government / taking jobs on their father's companies.

 

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