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another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« on: 15 December 2020, 10:38:01 »
In the multiverse theory, worlds divide by decisions, every choice spawns a new world, every decision is made...and some cost more than others.  You can decide if it's significant or insignificant, depending on your point of view.

In one skein of causality, an SLDF bioweapon is unleashed by accident, destroying all life, or some life, or almost none.  In another, it doesn't even exist, or was stopped before it could be unleashed, or the research didn't do the same thing and the mutated strain had other effects.

In one world, 2016 came and went without a third world war, or only saw civil wars in the North American sector, or saw an outbreak that changed all of mankind.

In more distant skeins, there are things other than man which came down from the trees, or up from the muck.  some skeins they coexisted with mankind for hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years, and in some of those, those others did not go extinct before man reached for the Stars.

a Half-elven businessman would found the Crucis Pact, a Dwarven clan leader would unite the Protectorate of Donegal as Archon Basileus, and the pure-human homo supremacist regime of the Rim Worlds Republic would conquer a world named Kowloon, and attempt to exterminate the Orcish portion of that world's citizenry.

If you're wondering, the Human Supremacists in the Terran Hegemony helped out there, too, albeit with great care to avoid stirring up their own goblinoid lower-classes.

In this universe, when Stephan Amaris launched his coup against the half-elven inbreed Richard Cameron, the green folk and the outcast men of Kowloon joined Aleksandr Kerensky's march on the homeworld for many of the same reasons, and suffered many of the same casualties.  But, y'know, greenskins and degenerate men, they're disposable.

after five hundred years, Kowloonese are a definite, defined ethnicity in part, because red eyes and greenish skin tones are as common as brown eyes and tan skin, and those without the green and red often have...enhanced lower jaws and prominent lower canines, or round-pointed ears.

Among Kowloonese, in 3050, Elizabeth Ngo would be considered something of a beauty with her mostly-human features, and her goblinoid ancestry's typically disfiguring elements blend in to make her somewhat more attractive, even to pure-strain humans and 'pretty race' mixed-breeds such as the Steiners, with their mix of elven and dwarven blood.  (notably, this heritage is demonstrated most thoroughly with Victor, whose Dwarven forebears contributed a 'stout' height and resilience, and Katherine, whose Davion-Elven ancestors gave her height and remarkable beauty.)

to find unmixed blood, you have to look to the invading Clans, whose forebears included humans, and Elves, and Dwarves, and Orcs, and whose breeding programme focused on straining the best from each into 'pure' bloodlines via genetic engineering and Iron Womb technology. The Elemental, which is akin to a Dwarf with Gigantism in some Clans (Wolf, Smoke Jaguar, and Hell's Horses) while other Clans enhanced goblinoid bloodlines to create nearly super-orcs to serve as their Heavy Infantry (Jade Falcon, Ghost Bear) or still others that gripped tightly to human supremacy (Blood Spirit, Steel Viper, Star Adder, Burrock and Fire Mandrill). The remainder using various mixes and matches with varying levels of success.

Purebreeds tend to excel at one or two traits.  For true resilience, you need mutts, and the muttiest of the mutts, are the Kowloonese, whose racial profile is absent only one group-there are no Elves or elf-communities in the Kowloon system, and never have been.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #1 on: 15 December 2020, 12:39:47 »
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« Reply #2 on: 15 December 2020, 12:40:36 »
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #3 on: 15 December 2020, 12:47:56 »
I wonder who the gnomes may are🤔
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #4 on: 15 December 2020, 14:11:57 »
More world building first...

Pre-Spaceflight: 1793: The Continental Congress debates the Constitution of the United States of America.  Eleven initial amendments are needed to get ratification in all 13 colonies, the final amendment ending the legal practice of culling Goblinoid children and the forced sterilization of Goblinoid males.  This is the first time 'greenskins' have had rights recognized under law and the status of second class citizens since the fall of the Roman Empire.

1789-1811
In France, bread riots turn bloody as the Orcish minority unites for the first time against the imposed enslavement of their kind (Orcish Soldiers in the French Royal Army are among the most ardent revolutionists, embracing the principles of the Revolution with a zeal matched only by their human-peasant counterparts.)  under the First Republic, Orcs are given full citizenship (this only lasts until Napoleon Bonaparte is exiled for the first time, and a joint european monarchist force proceeds to cull and purge Orcish ethnic settlements in France in a re-enactment of the terror, but this time, directed at the rebellious 'lower creatures')  Orcs able to flee, do so, first to Haiti, and then, to North America, or east through the germanies to the Russian Empire, where they serve as mercenaries for the Czar.

1812-1815
Orcish Americans in Louisiana hold off British forces at New Orleans after the 'pure human' army routs at Washington D.C.  The slavery debate is expanded to include 'the greenskin' question.  numerous orcish immigrants, certain that they will be once again enslaved, culled and sterilized, flee into the wilds of North America, where they are alternately welcomed, or massacred, by native american tribes for the next sixty years.

1848: Irish humans and 'Foimor' (goblinoid/orcish natives of northern ireland and scotland) are exported to Australia and North America as refugees from the potato famine, or as convict/slave labor.  unlike human convict labor, English Law does not acknowledge goblinoids as beings with 'souls', but rather, classifies them as brute animals.  Many escape bondage through Canada into the growing United States, where they will at least be free to breed and have children without fearing the veteranarian's knife.

1850: The British Empire, now heavily invested in Orcish soldiery, outlaws the enslavement of 'green-skins' and offers them full citizenship status in exchange for voluntary military service.  The various states of the U.S. debate similar measures, with Congress weighing in with the Missouri Compromise on slavery.  Most states that choose to allow Orcs and Goblins citizenship place a burden of military or civil service as the gateway to said citizenship and with it, civil rights.  Notably, this does not extend to dark-skinned humans initially, and the human-slave-trade continues until...

1860-65: with a continuing influx of greenskins from Europe and england, and continuing influx of irish immigrants fleeing the boiling chaos in the UK, both sides in the American Civil War make extensive use of Orcs and Goblins in the American Civil war.  Lincoln's "emancipation proclamation" breaks the Confederacy as Slave Legions revolt and the Union Army's greenskins overwhelm the pure human forces of Georgia, the Carolinas, and Virginia.  Dwarven and Elven minorities in Texas and Louisiana prolong the war to 1865 before being forced to surrender.  The 14th Amendment is passed in 1865, giving citizenship to former slaves of all races, making the United States the third nation behind Great Britain and Haiti to grant full citizenship status to Goblinoids, including full civil rights, and the vote.

This is seen by many people as a foolish move, and efforts to roll it back beginning just after Reconstruction and into the 20th century see a see-sawing of legal status, the Jim Crow laws, the Gnasher laws, and various barriers to civil rights continuing well into the 1950s, long after Elven-Americans, Dwarven-Americans and Gnomish-Americans have gained a respected, full status in global society, the Greenskins were the one group nearly everyone, globally, looked down upon.

The stereotypes were violence, stupidity, and savagery.  Despite Orcish poets winning international recognition, and artists becoming widely adored for their works, Goblinoids would see continuous subtle infringements, beginning with laws engineered to disarm them as 'dangerously unstable' and 'vicious'.  Goblinoid and Orcish citizens in North America would be pushed ever further into the continental interior by a combination of harassment, economic disadvantage, and social ostracisms that only abated when the government wanted soldiers.

In Asia, goblinoid citizens had it slightly worse.  In china, it remained legal under the communist regime to hunt them for sport until 1987, in Japan, Ogre-maji or "Oni" were banned from public spaces and it was legal to kill them until 1946.  In Korea, Orcish troops and native goblinoids fought for the Republic against the People's Republic because their northern cousins had been purged brutally after Kim's ascension, and the Chinese, when they came across the Yalu river, took pains to kill any greenskin they could catch, including infants.

In Vietnam, the Orcs fought beside the Montagnards against French occupiers, and then against the Vietminh and Vietcong for similar reasons-in South Vietnam, they at least had SOME right to live, unlike the communist north.

The fall of Saigon saw a lot of greenskins fleeing with others, first to the phillipines, and then to North America.

The formation of the Terran Alliance saw a return to 'unpersonhood' for millions of orcs, goblins, and Oni, volunteer formations from orcish communities in the Americas and Australia fought tooth and nail to keep Israel from falling, because they knew what was coming for that exclusively-human group known as Israel. 

They lost.  Most were never heard from again, until the Great Raid of the late 22nd Century, which freed thousands of victims of Sinai work-camps.

the final uprising occurred shortly before Seven colony ships were stolen from the Luna Yards, taking the refugees from Earth, out into the black 'way the hell away from the people who put us in chains'.

In secret, this was partially organized by a group of Elven-descent spacers and members of The Guild.  The Navigator who set the final destination for this group, was a pure strain human named Ngo, a Pathfinder Project pilot of Vietnamese/Montagnard descent born in a mixed-ethnic community in Western Montana.

Kowloon was meant to be so far away, and so hard to reach, that they would, at last, be free.

well, that's not something that lasts.

After nearly two centuries of freedom, in the late 25th century, a Human Supremacist state, the Rim Worlds Republic, found them, and invaded.  The initial invasion was to provide fresh stock for the slave markets, and was partially bankrolled by Terran Corporate interests fronting for the Hegemony. 

Kowloon lost that war, and began the insurgency, they did so, because if there is one thing Humans, Orcs, and Goblins can agree on, it is that being a slave is bad.

'No peace with slavery' is perhaps the single unifying sentiment in the Kowloon system, and so for the next few centuries, they would fight, and fight, and fight a guerilla war and insurgency to throw the yoke off.

SLDF General Paul Chivington was awarded a medal for the destruction of Dinh Diep, Kowloon's founding city, in 2729.  This was not something that the Kowloonese people would forget, or forgive.

in 2768, they took their chance again, with a concerted push and the use of kinetic bombardments, to break the slaver's chains-and this time, they succeeded.  When SLDF General Aaron Dechevalier arrived in Kowloon orbit, he found a world free, and enraged.  It wasn't difficult for him to persuade the half-orc Warlord Tranh Truk Ngo to rally a horde to punish House Amaris.

It was slightly more difficult to convince them to stop long enough to be given field uniforms and obsolete weapons first.

For the following decade, the 171st Volunteers (Kowloon) were the monsters used as shock troops against the human forces of House Amaris, and by all accounts, they were right terrors, willing to do things pure-human units wouldn't, to win objectives and destroy their hated foes.

This was expected.  what was not expected, was how the greenskins of the 171st reacted to the atrocity sites at Elbar.  the violence was in keeping with their reputation, the gentle tenderness they expressed to the human victims on Elbar was not. 

Nobody expected it when the 171st ran through their medical rations to save the victims of the death camps, nor did anyone realize that up to that point, they'd been holding back.  the slaughter of Rim Worlds troops on Elbar was horrifying to the mostly-human-pure SLDF, and General Kerensky had to rein them in for excesses multiple times, all the way back to Earth itself, whereupon he sent them home before planning Operation: Exodus, because while there were other units with greenskins, the 171st were barbaric after Elbar, merciless to the Rim Worlds forces to a degree that sickened many officers in the General's forces.

Kowloon would remain independent for five years after Kerensky left, finally bending the knee to the Lyran Alliance on strict terms guaranteeing citizenship regardless of ancestry, solid guarantees, and a promise that the Lyran Alliance would never permit an atrocity like Elbar to happen again in their space.

The Warlord was made a Duke of the Realm as part of that guarantee of equality with pure-strain humans and other demihuman communities.  Rights would be guaranteed.

Needless to say, Kowloonese participated heavily in the succession wars, most often as infantry, but also as aerospace pilots and armor crew.  The rarity of Kowloonese mechwarriors comes from the fact that neurohelmet pickups just don't penetrate goblinoid/orcish skulls very well without surgical assistance, and while Kowloon is a majority human world, even the majority population tend to have a little green mixed with the pink.



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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #5 on: 15 December 2020, 14:39:11 »
Cultural Hot-buttons or shit you don't say to a Kowloonese

Slavery.  "There can be no peace with the Slaver's chain,
               There can be no justice in the Slaver's lash."

Kowloonese hate slavers.  I mean, they really hate them.  the hatred is beyond any other ethnic group in the Inner Sphere.  This forms not only the basis for their world-view, but also for many of their actions.  Bandit groups tend to avoid Kowloon because while other Lyran (or major state nations) might kill a slaver, the Kowloonese will do it in the most agonizing way they can devise.

and sing about their work.

Attempts have been made since the days of Heinrich Grimm (*himself a half-Orc on his mother's side), and the results weren't pretty, the oberon confederation never ventured to Kowloon again after that first raid.

Hopper Morrison lost a company, and got their crucified remains delivered in one box, and their heads in another.

He hasn't tried them since.

Kowloonese love weapons.  as much as they hate slavery, Kowloon has it's own second amendment, and children are taught how to make war right along with their numbers and letters, and their history.   This is not a 'class' thing, this is a 'classroom' thing, also a home thing, and an after-school-instead-of-soccer thing.  Children are given knives when they go to school, and guns by the time they're in 6th grade.  learning to fight is encouraged, learning WHY to fight is enforced.

as is learning when violence is inappropriate.  a large portion of the social and societal structure is built around those three principles: How to fight, when to fight, and why to fight.

Oddly enough, 'Honor' doesn't factor into this.  "if you're going to fight, fight to win. if it's not worth winning, find another path than fighting."

Religion: despite many recognized faiths continuing to consider greenskins to be soulless animals or even the spawn of hell, Kowloonese are very religious.  Judaism is popular, in the form of "Yisroel" faith, Christianity is popular (most often evangelical strains, though 'old school' catholic enclaves are everywhere, and the LDS is a major player on the Ia Drang plateau), and a stain of Buddhist faith is also quite popular.  What isn't, is islam.  if there's a bigotry on Kowloon that is understood from the get-go, it's that they don't much care for the teachings of the Prophet Muhammed.  This probably has to do with that whole 'has a soul/doesn't have a soul' or 'person vs. animal' thing, though it is more likely rooted in their history.

Kowloonese don't much like Terrans.  They don't hate them the way they do slavers, but this is a world that sees 'old earth' as an 'old enemy', mistrust of Terrans and Terran organizations is perhaps more deeply rooted on Kowloon than anywhere short of the Taurian Concordat.  Comstar rarely sends personnel from Earth or Mars to Kowloon, for this very reason.  Comstar adepts assigned to Kowloon's lone HPG station tend to hail from the Taurian Concordat, Magistracy of Canopus, or Outworlds Alliance.  Likewise, Comstar has a hard time recruiting on Kowloon because it's an Earth-based entity, and the natives just flat don't trust them.

Kowloonese will play up the 'dumb orc' stereotype to anyone fool enough to believe it.  not to the point of initiating violence, but rather, because of a culture of hiding how smart and aware you are from outsiders is as ingrained as the keeping of weapons on your person.  This tends to make them rather dangerous negotiators, and enabled the Ngo family to hide a business manufacturing the tools of manufacturing from Comstar's ROM (among others) through the entire succession wars period.



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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #6 on: 15 December 2020, 15:00:43 »
Yeah, I can see bad things about Kowloonese and the Clans mixing.  "Terran and Slavers?  It's like someone was trying to push something to the top of our shit list."
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« Reply #7 on: 15 December 2020, 15:20:25 »
It sounds to me as if this tale is ambitious as the setting(s) are changed fundamentally right from start: way to go, CS!  :thumbsup:

But it reads smoothly sof far as the start of a nice tale.  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: 15 December 2020, 23:30:12 »
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« Reply #9 on: 16 December 2020, 01:51:23 »
This is one of those universes like Battle Run, where the elves of Tir Na Niops are really elves, isn't it?  :D
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« Reply #10 on: 16 December 2020, 02:05:56 »
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« Reply #11 on: 16 December 2020, 04:27:06 »
Are their Uruk Hai? Or Ologs, and Olog Hai?
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« Reply #12 on: 16 December 2020, 13:09:23 »
She wasn't like the other Nobles.  Among the Dukes and barons and Margraves, she stood out, and more now, than she would have forty years ago.

Elizabeth Ngo had come when summoned to Tharkad.  Sixteen and already a planetary leader on her homeworld, it wasn't mere youth that defined her differences.

No, for that, you have to understand how High Society really responds when their claims of 'equality' are thoroughly challenged.  She came dressed for the Royal Court, but not in any way that matched the pseudo-uniforms or the elaborate ballgowns.

She wore a black tunic, with a nemourlon body cuirass over it, like a field soldier, her trousers bloused into boots the color of red mud, pistol belt worn low and filled with a Mockba 9.8mm Magnum, she didn't doff the broad-brimmed slouch hat, instead wearing it low and canted over brushed, but unstyled hair the color of black mud and fungus, and instead of this year's stylish, davion-inspired sabers, she walked with a two meter spear as a walking stick.  at her side, hung a large ballistic-cloth bag smeared with wet spots.

"...Presents Duchess Elizabeth Ngo, Warlord of the Kowloon Horde..."  the majordomo didn't break stride as she walked steadily among her 'peers'.

She stopped before the Throne.  Victor Ian Steiner-Davion, first Archon Prince of the Federated Commonwealth, studied her with care.  The girl before him had olive-drab skin and looked more like something out of a historical fantasist's imaginings of the Sauron wars.

she doffed her hat, and took a knee, "Your majesty."

"Duchess...what's in the bag?"

Here, she reached in, and produced a form roughly the size of a bowling ball, and held it up by the hair.

"The man who tried to sit in my seat." she said,  "Regent Colonel James Stonecipher, late regent." she dropped the head at the foot of the throne.  then she produced a second head.  "Olivier Rasmussen, commander of Hopper Morrison's second battlemech company, also..."

the third head landed, "Federated Commonwealth Colonel Lionel Brewster, who served as their fence and middle man.  The logistical delays that cost my brother and his men on Tamar have been avenged.  I seek the Archon's leave to attend to my duty."

Her red eyes studied him as he studied her, for the moment tuning out the gasps and moans her display of savagery had generated.

"You do know you could have simply brought recordings, liz." he finally said.

"Heads are cheaper." she responded, "Comstar charges too much for the bandwidth...besides, Stoney here wasn't using his head when 'twas attached, I suspect he's wiser now, though quieter.  I have begun untangling the financial trail and recovering the stolen tax revenue from their operation."

Victor swallowed hard, "That's...nice?"

She gave him a closed lip grin, with one tusk peeking between her lips.  "No, It isn't." she said, "someone made it necessary, but it's never 'nice'.  I ask the Archon, when may we go to war?  The Clans have devoured a third of the nation, Highness.  When do we get to take the initiative and strike them? My people grow tired of funeral boxes and bad news.  We have enough flag-draped coffins to cover Hue city in a tent made of flags, to dam the River with a dam made of caskets, and yet..." she turned to the assembled nobility, "and yet the word is 'fall back', as world after world falls to those whose ancestors deserted us, come back now as conquerors and slavers. when will we strike back?"

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #13 on: 16 December 2020, 13:53:47 »
Rustic.  :D

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« Reply #14 on: 16 December 2020, 14:31:54 »
More worldbuilding: Buildings.

Their ancestors were backward, primitive, almost stone-age when the rest of the world's peoples had iron weapons.  This probably has a lot to do with why Goblinoids and especially Orcs never really had their 'own' architecture beyond tents and crude huts...

until they were separated by hundreds of light years from the rest of Earth's children.

Oddity seems less likely, however, when you consider how much of the ancient world (all the way through to the 20th century) was built using Orcs as labor.

They learned to build.

Where strongly elven communities like to craft their buildings in imitation of nature, and Dwarven heavy colonists like to use concrete and stone monoliths...

Orcish architecture is almost as fine and delicate looking, as their appearance and culture seem crude and rustic.

An example here, (slide 283)  This is the Ia Drang Balcony, a structure of stainless endosteel alloy, ferrocrete, and synthetic quartz nearly a  quarter kilometer wide and four sweeping kilometers long, overshadowing the raging torrent of a waterfall two kilometers high and three wide.

Note the way the bracing is constructed on this, the ends enter into the multilevel warren of Ia Drang City, one of the most unusual arcology-style constructions in human space, Ia Drang city was built into the sides of a massive canyon complex, with street levels paved in transparent ferroglas and quartz, buttressed by alloys and built into the canyon itself, just downstream of a massive hydroelectric dam.  passive layout and careful engineering provides indirect sunlight at the lowest level,and public spaces on every tier are virtually a forest in and of itself.

Ia Drang is an architectural marvel of engineering...and do you know why they built it?

Because they could.

at the top level, the 'ground level' of the city, the view is almost ordinary, like any other city, until you reach the center, and look down.

that is when it becomes apparent: 'The Walk' overlooking the waterfalls, is part of the larger structure, and serves a practical purpose beyond providing a place with open-air bistros and a spectacular view of the jungle lowlands below...

it's a weather station for the cities below, a watch tower, and a maintenance route.

and it's not even the planetary capital.  Ia Drang is a working city, every level of the structure is involved in producing something, from the meat processors and butcher shops to the electronics factories and the surface-level manufacturing headquarters for Ia Drang Aerospace.

For all their storied love of destruction and violence, the 'softer side' of Kowloon's orcish majority is a fundamental nature as builders and creators, artisans and craftsmen...but with always a weapon close to hand, and often a natural reluctance to share this with other cultures.
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #15 on: 16 December 2020, 15:01:41 »
Orcs and tech makes a totally different sort of Orc *peers at W40K*

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« Reply #16 on: 16 December 2020, 15:05:42 »
Hmm, how well will they take to battle armor once it is developed in the Sphere?  Admittedly they'd need their own humanoid suit, since the Lyrans went heavily into the quad designs.

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« Reply #17 on: 16 December 2020, 15:48:20 »
WAAAGH!!!  :))

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« Reply #18 on: 16 December 2020, 15:55:35 »
Tharkad Interplanetary Business Center, Marsden street...

"I don't like you." Grayson Carlysle's bushy eyebrows and rich, thick beard propped over a still vital and massive frame-his ancestors had been Dwarven-blooded from Scotland, with all that entails including an automatic dislike for people with green skin, red eyes, and the brush-thick heavy hair of Goblinoid descent.

"And I don't like you." Elizabeth Ngo said in return.  "I do like your prospectus here.  You need manufacturing equipment, custom manufacturing equipment, for mass production of a product line we've only seen in history books and in the hands of those elf-eared slave-taking Clanners.  You want it, I can get it to you."

"What's the cost?" he asked.

"About half what you're going to pay Krupp." she told him, "only my company doesn't drag their feet and claim the delay is unplanned or unforeseen."

"you can't possibly claim you've refurbished the production lines for Nighthawk suits!"

"I didn't say I did. it's not Salvage." she stirred her coffee.  "My engineers can have your production lines singing for the price, and you won't have to hassle antiques dealers to get spares."

"If you can do that, why aren't you competing??" he scoffed.

"Uhm, ORC??" she snapped at him, "We use weapons, we don't sell them.  Name of the Maker, Carlyle,  would you sell someone your ancestral holy books? duh?  I can have your firm up and producing these designs, or any others you've come up with, in two months, at the price I quoted.  The only hanger on it, is I want ten percent of the suits from the first two years delivered to Kowloon as part of your fee."

"Which model?"

"The medium suit, if you please." she said, "if field testing proves out, we'll want to make a version for ourselves, but...it keeps you capitalized and I'm willing to accept a generous payment schedule, in exchange for suits and training in using them, plus four million Kroner at point three percent, quarterly payments of one hundred k until you're paid off."

"That's...you're taking a loss."

"It's worth it to me.  we'll be testbedding some variations for vacuum operations, underwater use, and tweaking the designs, you'll get first crack at the rights to anything we come up with, but I want those suits, I'm willing to make sure you can sell them for less than your competition, and still make a profit."

"Why ours?" he asked.

"I don't like the ones CMW and Defiance are working on." she confessed, "I see advantages in your approach to the design, plus your scout armor is nifty."

He extended his hand, "I still don't like you."

"That's fair." she said, accepting it, "We don't have to like one another, to do business."
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #19 on: 16 December 2020, 17:45:58 »
Ok

These two need to get a room already, dwarf/goblinoid current on the way soon?
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #20 on: 16 December 2020, 18:49:21 »
so a Dwarf-king and an Orc-smith walk into a bar....

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #21 on: 17 December 2020, 10:09:25 »
I wonder who the gnomes may are🤔

...Halflings?...Where are the Hin [Halfling] Right-Sized![/Halfling]?

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #22 on: 17 December 2020, 13:51:29 »
[out of story]

Putting this one on 'pause'.  it's got a better start than some of the other tries, but I'm kind of hitting obstacles wrt worldbuilding this thing.

I may need to find a different POV character or ten.  Maybe just do bits and drops or solicit ideas and maybe invite contributors to turn it into more of an 'anthology with a story arc'.
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #23 on: 17 December 2020, 17:57:16 »
[out of story]

Putting this one on 'pause'.  it's got a better start than some of the other tries, but I'm kind of hitting obstacles wrt worldbuilding this thing.

I may need to find a different POV character or ten.  Maybe just do bits and drops or solicit ideas and maybe invite contributors to turn it into more of an 'anthology with a story arc'.

It's because you forgot the Halflings & Gnomes, wasn't it? Couldn't THEY be the clans? Maybe the cure for the Arcadian Plague made the SLDFIE all right-sized?

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #24 on: 17 December 2020, 18:11:32 »
You know what could be funny, After the SLDF leaves to go on and become the clans, the inner sphere gets a ShadowRun style great awakening.

So the Clans have no idea what they are about to get into when they come back.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #25 on: 18 December 2020, 16:10:22 »
Random thought, include Eastern myths as well as western. Liz isn’t an Orc, she’s an Oni.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #26 on: 18 December 2020, 18:31:29 »
Random thought, include Eastern myths as well as western. Liz isn’t an Orc, she’s an Oni.
THIS....


and here's something that explains their apparent absence: Halflings and Gnomes are Aerospace type!!!

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #27 on: 18 December 2020, 21:35:54 »
I can see it now... Liz doesn't shoot Stonecipher and whossname, she just up and rips their heads off with her bare hands.

Earning her the nickname "Lizzie Douji" (or "Ibaraki Ngo" depending on preference) at court....

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #28 on: 20 December 2020, 02:46:13 »
There's no reason to include every fantasy race.  He's not trying to cast a wide net for tabletop RPG players who won't buy if you don't support their particular fantasy nor is he trying to sell expansion rulebooks with more races. 

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #29 on: 03 January 2021, 01:40:36 »
Jade Falcon Occupation Zone...

They'd expected it.  When Kerensky called for the Exodus, very few Greenskins came.  Not that there were ever a lot of them, and most greenskin lineages had been purged with the Not Named.

But they'd expected to find Orcish soldiers fighting for the Traitor Lords.  Goblinoid troops breed fast and tehy make cheap, if unimaginative, cannon-fodder.  Star Colonel Evan Pryde surveyed the last defensive position on this world.

"We took heavy casualties here, explain." he ordered.

The elemental warrior's fine, Elven heritage showed in her thin, delicate ears, even though her size was more brute than beauty.  Star Captain Sarah Icaza frowned delicately, "They did not surrender." she said.  "out of ammunition, pinned into an inescapable trap, these soldiers did not surrender.  Outgunned, they did not surrender, surrounded and under suppressing fire, they kept fighting."

"Like Blood Spirits, quiaff?"

"Worse." she said, and demonstrated by removing a piece of cerametal that had pierced her armored chest.  "Bayonets.  When they ran out of ammunition, they attacked with bayonets."

They had expected Orcish troops.  They hadn't anticipated motivated ones.  The greenskin minorities in the Homeworlds knew their place, submitted when they were outmatched, obeyed...

"This is the last of their forces, quiaff?"

"Aff.  The Battlemech units and higher quality forces retreated off-world three days ago." she said.  "Why did they keep fighting?"

He pursed his lips,  "There must be a Warlord in the Lyran Commonwealth." he finally said, "My guess would be Kowloon.  These orcs have a leader, and I doubt they would be so devoted to a Human or an Elf.  They were told to keep fighting, and so they did."

The Dragoon reports had not mentioned any Orcish Warlords-the leadership caste of the Greenskins was semi-legendary for inspiring loyalty among their kind, which was why the Terran hegemony, and every other civilized government in the human sphere, spent so many centuries trying to wipe the strain of that peculiar twist of DNA out.
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