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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #60 on: 07 January 2021, 08:42:12 »
JFS Emerald Roc...

An old-fashioned Orcish horde was running loose in the Liberation zone. 

Star Colonel Nathan Roshak could look at the same reports the Khan was looking at-because he'd been given them by the Khan.

The source was clearly Kowloon, the tactics were clearly devised by someone devious, vicious, and yet...constrained.

A force would hit a world, inflict a lot of damage on the garrison or any other units in the system, destroy transport assets, communications, fortifications, and staging areas.

They would inflict (and take) heavy casualties...

and then, they would leave, frogging to an adjoining system without leaving so much as a guard post.

Coming not to conquer, or to re-conquer.  They arrive, they kill, they move on.

Star Colonel Nathan Roshak studied the map, and the timelines and did some mental math.

"It is a full horde." he announced.

"Pardon?"  Star Captain Morgan Icaza looked up from his own reading on the situation, the naval losses reports.

"It is a full horde.  This is not a Regimental operation, it is not small scale raiding, someone on the other side pulled the trigger on unleashing a classical Orcish Horde on us...and then?" He chuckled quietly, "Did not follow up with occupation troops to exploit the gains.  This strategy? we are seeing half of an excellent war plan being executed because the other half refuses to move."

"A Horde is..let me see..." Icaza closed his eyes, "Roughly corps strength on the ground, with their own transport and logistics-at least, if I remember the instructors discussing the war against the Usurper correctly.  The equivalent would be throwing the entire warrior caste of a medium sized Clan out to conduct a spate of light raiding!"

"Yes it is." Nathan said, "according to our people on the ground at these sites, they are not even raiding for materials or equipment.  It is just hit-destroy-move-on."

"They are going after a lot of our Aerospace and logistical assets, and the Steel Vipers claim they are chasing down anything that looks like a warship with nukes, even breaking off from operations to do so." Icaza observed, "This resembles invasion preparations, but..."

"but the Lyrans are not bringing the invasion." Nathan sighed, "I almost feel sorry for the green-skinned bastards-they committed a huge amount and they are being left to hang."

"The Khan shares your assessment." Icaza noted, "It does not stop the need to put an end to this...how do you intend to do that, if this IS an Orc horde..."

Nathan smiled, "Any way that works." he said, "I doubt we could succeed with a trial of annihilation, but I have a feeling we will be able to put an end to this without needing to go to extreme measures, Operation:Revival's plan was based on poor intelligence, but with Falcon Eyes, I think we can see a way to turn this to our advantage."


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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #61 on: 07 January 2021, 09:05:32 »
As usual with Cannonshop: Jade Falcon with a smart, clever and thorough attitude...

(edited because I will never psot from my mobile again :-()
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #62 on: 07 January 2021, 09:30:24 »
Actually nasty thought. The horde is much more militarily powerful than other Kowloon stories. Is it possible that crazy kat is actually setting them up. Hijacking her brothers strategy to get rid of the kowloon horde in a way that damages the enemy by leaving them out on a limb. So that the 'filthy greenskins' are weakened enough to pose no opposition or get uppity when she decides to issue certain demands. Cause in most stories kowloon does not secede even when given good reason to. Because there are better reasons to stay.
Here though?

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #63 on: 07 January 2021, 11:04:14 »
Actually nasty thought. The horde is much more militarily powerful than other Kowloon stories. Is it possible that crazy kat is actually setting them up. Hijacking her brothers strategy to get rid of the kowloon horde in a way that damages the enemy by leaving them out on a limb. So that the 'filthy greenskins' are weakened enough to pose no opposition or get uppity when she decides to issue certain demands. Cause in most stories kowloon does not secede even when given good reason to. Because there are better reasons to stay.
Here though?

The problem with that strategy?  "If you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to use it." is in play.  Elizabeth is not going to let her forces get drawn down far enough to fatally weaken Kowloon.  And based on the latest iterations?  The Kowloon binary system is a navigational briar patch.  Either you spend a month slogging through normal space from a standard stellar jump point.  Against people who throw nukes at a level Taurians might find a bit excessive. :o

Or you try to plot a pirate point, against one of the more navigationally complex inhabited systems on record.  And I'm sure the KCGM know when and where all the easy ones are for staking them out.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #64 on: 07 January 2021, 11:36:32 »
Profile: Nathan Roshak (Fantasy Ngoverse)

Race/Species: Human/Trueborn 'mechwarrior

Rank: Star Colonel

Affiliation: Clan Jade Falcon, Clans of Kerensky

Period: Operation:Revival

Height: Six feet five inches
Weight: One hundred ninety five pounds
Hair: Sandy/light brown
Eyes: Green

Decant Date: December 11, 3030

Education: Ironhold Sibko Class 3/3047

overview;

Nathan was born from a large batch of Pershaw/Roshak origin (Genefather Pershaw, Caitlynn, Genemother Roshak, Titus).  Early on, the boy tended to be unusually reflective and intelligent, and he was expected to fail out of the Warrior programme and into the Scientist Caste.  This early prejudice turned out to be incorrect, as the boy proved to be both intellectual, and innovative as a fighter and tactician, defeating larger and older boys in his grouping in informal bouts using cleverness and cunning when physical strength wasn't available.

Falconers noted that as a child, Roshak internalized lessons quickly, and formed bonds with his fellow cadets in unusual ways.  Some concern arose due to Nathan's seeming ability to avoid creating rivals or enemies, even while defeating potential rivals repeatedly.

IOW they were concerned because he seemed to have a gift for making friends out of his rivals and enemies.  His lack of an apparent vindictive streak was also concerning-when he defeated an opponent, he treated the matter not only as settled, but refused to make a spectacle of his victories, instead expressing an unusual streak of humility and grace.  Despite this, he kept winning.

Nathan as a 'mechwarrior candidate penned a long defense of the Crusader cause and the Hidden Hope doctrine in response to the published statements of Wardens outside of the Clan, in it, he discussed the ideals of the Star League, the writings of Nicholas Kerensky, and the strategic importance of uniting humanity under an ilClan.  In this work he took the Warden arguments, and turned them around on their users, showing a gift for psychological warfare and an unusual level of insight into the motives and morality of those around him.

In his trial of position upon graduation, Nathan defeated all of his opponents, and did so while inflicting the smallest amount of damage necessary to defeat them.  The duel took an unusually long time to conclude.  This caused two of his defeated opponents to attempt a trial of refusal, claiming that his tactics were dezgra.  Nathan defeated each of them in turn, this time with remarkable speed and brutality, including the killing of one, thus demonstrating he did not, in fact, lack that 'killer instinct'.

Nathan fought hard to gain inclusion in Operation:Revival, overcoming more experienced warriors and taking a spot as a Star Captain in the initial wave.

His Trinary achieved a number of victories in the field, marking him firmly as a Ristar within the Clan.  In late 3051, Nathan won the trial for his bloodname, and returned to the front lines.

In 3052, Nathan Roshak participated in the battle of Tukayyid,  His actions there were sufficiently effective to catapult him to Cluster command, as well as distinguishing him as one of the most successful officers involved in that series of battles.  His remnant cluster was one of the least damaged units to pull back from that world, and he extracted a number of wounded warriors as well as crippled machines while conducting his fighting retreat.

Nathan Roshak is a staunch supporter of Marthe Pryde, and is considered to be one of the leaders of the 'moderate' crusader faction within the Clan, arguing (and at times defending) the case that the people of the Inner Sphere must be won over to the Clan way after conquest, and that mere territory or resources are not enough to guarantee the victory of the Clans or Clan Jade Falcon's ilClan status.

Roshak himself terms his views 'Philosophical Crusade'.  It is notable that his Cluster is highly effective in their operations, and that discipline records show a remarkably light hand with the lower caste personnel, and an oddly high rate of readiness and effectiveness despite this relatively loose hand.

He often serves as a 'troubleshooter' for the Clan leadership, his cluster rotating into an area is often in response to setbacks or problems impacting combat readiness. 

[eyes only-Khan and Loremaster access required.]

Nathan Roshak is one of the most effective internal affairs officers in Clan Jade Falcon, the record speaks for itself-the man has removed problem officers and pre-emptively ended internal rebellions with almost ludicrous ease.  When deployed to reinforce Clan control efforts on Somerset, his removal of two officers in duels and temporary changes in policy were enough to completely shut down a brewing rebellion among the populace.   Roshak is very good at finding ways to solve or prevent discipline and honor code violations as well as improving the performance of under-performing units.

He IS remarkable for his lack of interest in challenging either the Khan, or SaKhan.  the man is almost pathologically loyal to Marthe Pryde's reforms within the Clan, while endorsing unorthodox and unusual strategies when dealing with external enemies.

In one sense, he is the model of what an officer should be, in another sense, he is chalcas incarnate.
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #65 on: 07 January 2021, 15:39:17 »
Triad, Tharkad...

"...worse than mercenaries, they're Animals." Nondi Steiner didn't sneer, at least.  "I've commanded their kind before, you know. in the war of '39. You have to watch the savages every second or you'll have atrocities and panicked civilians."

"So...is that why the Lyran armed forces are on standby, with no movement orders?" Leutnant-General Adam Borge-Steiner asked in disbelief, "Is that why my unit is holding still??"

"Caution, General, you really need to watch your tone, boy." the Regent of the Lyran 'alliance' told him coldly, "yes.  I'm going to use them to break the Jade Falcons, and in the process, break them, and when both are broken sufficiently, only then will the order be given to free our worlds."

"Unbelievable.  I...Regent...that never works.  Shock tactics-"

"so you wish to be relieved? hmm?" she asked, "We have threats on the Marik border still, and the Dracs could come across at any time, not to mention disloyal units here at home...including those green-skinned animals, do you think they won't turn on you in a heartbeat if you give them a chance??  The only thing worse than a Davion in Lyran space, using lyran supplies, is a greenskin."

"I know something worse." He said quietly, "The Clans are worse, they're going to adapt, Madame Regent, your idea is going to cost hundreds of thousands of Lyran lives for no gain, how do I know this?" He stared at her through the fog of a ruined left eye, "Because I've fought the damned clans before."

"You may resign at any time." she told the image, "But, that regimental combat team is staying right where it is."

****

Newtown Square, Lyran Alliance, 3058...

Lt. General Adam Steiner had chosen to throw his support to Katherine, and now? he was reaping the result of that mistake.

He leaned back as the Comstar logo appeared on the screen.

"So, what do we do now?" Colonel Hasseldoffsen asked.

"Now? I guess we're going to need to call Morgan Kell, and if that fails, I'll have to submit my resignation, and go merc."

"For the love of god man, you're serious?"

Adam turned, "Right now, Lyran citizens are waging war on the Clans, while we're sitting on our hands.  Right now, my homeworld can be saved, and my orders are to sit on my hands, because Nondi Steiner hates Goblinoids-the people who are right now, waging the war we could've been waging this whole time...Maybe we can hook up with Morgan Kell's people and form a bloc that can turn this into something other than a slaughter that makes the enemy stronger."

"you're considering mutiny?"

"Initiative, Colonel. It's called 'initiative'.  We don't need the entire LAAF, we just need enough of it."
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #66 on: 07 January 2021, 16:02:45 »
So in this setting can we re-write Maxim 2 to say "A Lt. General in motion outranks a Regent who doesn't know what she's doing,"?  >:D
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #67 on: 07 January 2021, 20:29:46 »
Euphonium, that's brilliant!  8)

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #68 on: 07 January 2021, 21:48:08 »
Well give me the muffins in all the land because I called it. And while I did not believe it was going to work like nondi hoped I am surprised how it is failing in new ways. With lyran troops getting fed up with this dodgy plan. And if its the orcs coordinating with resistance fighters while the lyran forces pointedly stay home its not just the horde whose loyalty you worry about.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #69 on: 07 January 2021, 21:54:36 »
Well give me the muffins in all the land because I called it. And while I did not believe it was going to work like nondi hoped I am surprised how it is failing in new ways. With lyran troops getting fed up with this dodgy plan. And if its the orcs coordinating with resistance fighters while the lyran forces pointedly stay home its not just the horde whose loyalty you worry about.

Given the racism of this setting?  The (mostly) human troops are feeling humiliation and shame that Orcs are carrying the fights to the Clans, while they are being held out.  To ones unaware of Nondi's orders?  It makes it look like only Kowloon and its Orcish population have the courage to counterattack the Clans.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #70 on: 08 January 2021, 04:00:02 »
Given the racism of this setting?  The (mostly) human troops are feeling humiliation and shame that Orcs are carrying the fights to the Clans, while they are being held out.  To ones unaware of Nondi's orders?  It makes it look like only Kowloon and its Orcish population have the courage to counterattack the Clans.
Also right now that they are likely playing Into popular racist stereotypes orcs might have about them. And the human troops would feel uncomfortable about it.
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #71 on: 08 January 2021, 14:34:32 »
Arc Royal, October, 3058...

Connaught was temperate, almost like springtime on Kowloon, when Elizabeth stepped off the shuttle.  "Duke Kell." she greeted Morgan.

"Warlord.  You know my son, Phelan."  Morgan said, introducing the man beside him.

"Well, it's a good thing I came under truce then." Liz said casually.

"Phelan wasn't at Tamar, Liz." Morgan reminded her.

Elizabeth stretched, "Yeah, true."  She hefted a small bag. "For you, Khan Kell." she tossed the bag to Phelan with a jingle.  "It's only the Eyedee tags, Ears take too much work to preserve." she added.  "Over all a productive hunting trip, but strangely, nobody followed up."

Morgan sighed. "I know, I know."

she yawned, displaying her tusks fully in a gape that some would find intimidating.  "Still...productive.  I've got a Horde heading home now, and this brigade's needing shore-leaves, if that's alright?"

"We've got facilities set aside for your soldiers, Duchess.  I was surprised you called ahead." Morgan said, beckoning, Elizabeth fell in on his right, saving the place of honor to his left for his son.  "you're not...you don't have that kind of reputation."

"I figured it would be better than trying to talk your security people into not shooting." she confessed, "I wasn't kidding about the shore leaves-aside from raiding strikes most of my people haven't had much time groundside.  We'll need at least four weeks to get everyone rotated through,  but I told you that already in my message."

"Four weeks-so you're not bringing the full Horde in?" Phelan asked.

"nope." she said, "just the One-Seven-One and 1st Squadron.  Everyone else is booking it homeward, without the follow-up there's no point to the expedition beyond weakening the enemy, and there's only so much of that you can do before they start getting wise.  You mentioned there were some increasing problems?"

"I'm getting messages from RCT commanders and regional leaders along the border, Duchess." Morgan said, "Apparently, there's a standing order to remain in place and dig in."

"not bad advice." she said, "Honestly not bad.  We spent the first two months of the campaign killing some bunch called 'Steel Viper' before we could even start savaging the Falcons.  Nice 'mechs, decent fighters on the ground.  I think we crossed the million tons of shipping two or three times in two months.  I had to ration the warheads by month three, and some of those air-defenses were formidable. we actually lost a couple of Longships over Goat Path if you can believe it!"

"lost?"

"We recovered survivors, the Falcons didn't-that op ran a full squadron by the end of it, and we did some interesting damage to their fortifications, but..." she shrugged, "again, no follow ups.  It's lonely out there fighting half a war.  Victor's permission suggested we'd have human formations following up  and making gains, if he hadn't promised that, I'd still be back home."  she growled the last words.

"You killed a lot of them...from this?" Phelan suggested.

"I lost three thousand personnel." she snarled, "it's probably not much to you guys, but it's losses for no gains.  I don't like wasting my people's time and blood when the offensive is stalled behind me. Thus, we're taking R&R and going home."

Morgan cleared his throat, "Duchess...Warlord, you're not the only one expressing dissatisfaction with the current regime."

"Sounds like you're preparing to make a pitch." she said, "Let's go drink alcohol and you can give it to me in a fluffier mood."

Morgan laughed, "THis way."

***

Elizabeth looked over the documents while cradling a fine cognac glass in her left hand, half filled with Connaught Honey-Wine.

"hmm...well, if it weren't that she's family of yours, I'd say kill the bitch." she said.  "Then again, if this is right, the blonde paegu is a kinslayer, so maybe you can do it without bad karma.  but it does explain why the elf-eared bitch is slutting it up on New Avalon while leaving her defective auntie in charge."

Elizabeth put down the documents.  "I'm not going to participate in a civil war, Margrave." she said bluntly, "Not with live enemies on the border."

"I'm not asking you to." Morgan told her.  "I'm asking if you can help support other units that feel...as you do-that participation in a civil war is, well...undesirable.  It's building, units were told to dig in, and I personally know a lot of the former Fedcom corps is being shorted on supply, along with units suspected of being loyal to Victor-and I say 'suspected' because they're not signed up with my faction."

"Hrm..." she sipped her drink, almost looking refined for a moment as she contemplated.  "I can help on some of the supply issues." she said, "but we've already had one aborted offensive fall apart, if the national forces aren't unified?" she shook her head, "If there is no unified action, I won't put my people on the front lines, and I absolutely will not interfere in a dynastic struggle unless one of the sides attacks me first."

Phelan gasped openly, "WHY? You have seen the evidence!!"

"right. It's a Human issue." Elizabeth told him bluntly, "Human lords playing human-lord-games, every time Orcs get involved in the internal affairs of human nations, we get burned first.  Not going to do it.  This isn't a foreign invasion, this is a domestic squabble, I'm not Harmin or Arminius, nor am I Clarion! It's a civil affair between members of the majority race, if we get involved without being attacked first, then what happens when it's over?  WE get the blame for all the war-crimes and atrocities.  Not Doing It.  I will send ammunition, spares...at least, the ones that fit something, food and medical aid, but no advisors, no ground troops and only enough naval forces to escort the convoys.  I will do this in the peace, for everyone on the border, but I want a list and it made clear to everyone that if this turns into a civil war, we're cutting everyone off until it's over, except those that declare neutrality and enforce it among their ranks."

Morgan nodded, "that's fair." he said, "Not what I hoped for, but it's fair."

"It's not you, it's me." Elizabeth said, "I am the leader of the largest concentration of my people left in explored space.  I have to put my people first, and this really isn't something that belongs to us."

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #72 on: 08 January 2021, 17:01:59 »
"From the hottest fire, comes the strongest steel.  This isn't just a metaphor for metalworkers.  The Kowloon Horde's rampage through Clan Jade Falcon's territory in the Inner Sphere burned away a lot of the weakest, and the worst, of that Clan.  When the Jade Falcons faced the combined might of the reborn Star League's armies in the Great Refusal, they made up for their loss at Tukayyid in spades, smashing their designated foes and reaffirming that the Jade Falcon, at least, would continue the invasion at the end of the truce period.  Comstar's 'Invader Galaxy' unit was nearly annihilated by Falcon forces, in a surprising act of mercy, Khan Marthe Pryde offered the fragmented survivors Hegira, citing the mostly-Terran troops as being 'less challenging than your Orcs." 

-Morgan Hasek-Davion, "The Great Serpent: The Star League's counterattack"
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Kowloon, 3062...

The Ducal residence on Kowloon was not the complex that the last Regent (a human) had forted up in while robbing the treasury and generally abusing his duties.  That residence, had been re-tasked.

Duchess Elizabeth Ngo was still a Warlord, though she eschewed going to war after the eighteen month debacle that was the 3058-59 offensive into Jade Falcon space.  She did not 'sell' weapons-that taboo was one of the few even she did not break.  Instead, she 'gifted' weapons to units in exchange for their pledge to defend the Realm from outside enemies first.

This 'gifting' stiffened many theater militias outside of the Melissia theater, especially units considered low to last priority by the LAAF Quartermaster.  The one, feeble, attempt to interfere with this was quickly dashed, the supply convoy's escorts making it clear that as little as most human-borns think of Kowloonese Orcs, they felt much the same way, and had nuclear release and very little concern about using it on people that let their brothers hang during the offensive.

No shots had to be fired, the simple suggestion that four light warships with battle-stars after engaging Clan Battleships might use their weapons on much softer foes was enough.

That, and Nondi Steiner's belief in Greenskin Savages.

Elizabeth's declining the Archon-Regent's kind offer of an invitation to Tharkad was almost seen as an act of rebellion, but the timing couldn't be better-Victor had declared civil war against Katherine the same day, and of the two, the 'threat' of an out of control Greenskin on Kowloon took a distant second to the threatened return of Prince Victor to the throne on a carpet of blood for the death of his brother Arthur.

"Which side are you on?" Nondi sneered through the screen.

"Herr Marshall, I have no interest in the petty struggles of spoiled royalty.  Dynastic arguments are outside of my interest, and I don't particularly care whose ass warms that throne, but if you press this, I may find the ass who didn't leave my people hanging in enemy territory to be less noxious.  Kowloon is aloof from the arguments of kings on Tharkad, I intend to take neither side, unless you press me-someone must see to the defense of the nation while you and your family gut one another like starving dogs fighting over meat."

Her scorn was clear even across hundreds of light-years of distance.

"There were other issues, Liz!" Nondi was defensive now, shocked at the tone and the open disrespect.  "We-"

"You held them back when we could have destroyed the Jade Falcons." Elizabeth stated, "the battle plan was solid, we did our part, you did not do yours, but then, you're only humans, and humans are fantastic at stabbing each other in the back.  I will continue to supply arms and equipment for the defense of the realm, so that when you have finished murdering each other's followers, there is still a realm for you to covet, neglect, and betray, you know, that thing you humans call 'Leadership'.  I will continue to pay for patrols to support worlds that need them, while you strip your defenses to fight your own blood in kinslaying wars, and I will persist in providing...kindness and relief, I can't say 'humanitarian' to civilians caught in between your petty feuds, but I will have no part in your pointless struggles.  Go ahead and kill your own, we'll pick up the pieces and wait for you to remember who your true enemies are, if you're still around for that, you can call me again, but I have a lot of work to do, and no time for this."

"I ORDER YOU-"

"I see no reason to comply. Nice tone of authority though, very...hmmm...very regal. Goodbye."

The Comstar adept cut the transmission for her, and Elizabeth stood.  "Well, I guess that could have gone better!"
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #73 on: 08 January 2021, 17:24:21 »
Somehow, I get the impression that Cannonshop doesn't like much Nondi. I wonder why...

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #74 on: 08 January 2021, 18:07:28 »
Even in canon, Nondi acted like an idiot in the civil war. The best explanation came from an earlier version of Liz story were subordinates recognized signs of Alzheimer. I wish that would have been canon instead of going from competent to raving lunatic.

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« Reply #75 on: 08 January 2021, 18:12:54 »
Even in canon, Nondi acted like an idiot in the civil war. The best explanation came from an earlier version of Liz story were subordinates recognized signs of Alzheimer. I wish that would have been canon instead of going from competent to raving lunatic.

I'd rather keep her as finally showing her true nature when she was given power that everyone else had been keeping from her for good reason.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #76 on: 08 January 2021, 18:35:34 »
The thing is, she already had tremendous power (in canon) has the commanding General of the Lyran side of the AFFC. The Clans invasion may have sourred her to the Alliance but the Civil War show her creating her own ennemies by forgetting all the strategic accument she's supposed to have accumulated. Being sick made more sense for me.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #77 on: 08 January 2021, 20:05:06 »
This story is straight fun!  ;D

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #78 on: 08 January 2021, 20:14:56 »
Comstar's 'Invader Galaxy' unit was nearly annihilated by Falcon forces, in a surprising act of mercy, Khan Marthe Pryde offered the fragmented survivors Hegira, citing the mostly-Terran troops as being 'less challenging than your Orcs." 

Yeoch, the amount of burn to the Robes, Task Force Serpent, and the Clans that didn't match up to the Falcon's performance must have been massive for this statement.  We are talking "bathing in a supernova" levels here.

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That, and Nondi Steiner's belief in Greenskin Savages.

And thus how Nondi's "invincible plan" failed.  She thought Kowloon and Elizabeth would be stupid enough to keep attacking unsupported, rather than going "not stupid, not expendable, not going."
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #79 on: 08 January 2021, 22:01:44 »
Yeoch, the amount of burn to the Robes, Task Force Serpent, and the Clans that didn't match up to the Flacon's performance must have been massive for this statement.  We are talking "bathing in a supernova" levels here.

And thus how Nondi's "invincible plan" failed.  She thought Kowloon and Elizabeth would be stupid enough to keep attacking unsupported, rather than going "not stupid, not expendable, not going."

Probably thinking. If orcs could out maneuver them this will be easy.
Thus showing that adding in widespread racial discrimination to battletech results in even more blatant stupidity and nonsense. And those ready to exploit said idiocy.

Here's is some orc racist speak about humans. That could apply to the incident.
Humans are really good liars. They bullshit themselves that they are smarter and stronger then they actually are.

Humans first to flee when the fighting starts. First to turn up when it's over.

I mean we already know what the derogatory racist themes are about orcs. Figured I would even things up.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #80 on: 09 January 2021, 05:20:32 »
So Michael Hasek-Davion is alive and writing about events in 3062?
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #81 on: 09 January 2021, 07:47:42 »
So Michael Hasek-Davion is alive and writing about events in 3062?

No, the author screwed up.  *(fixed)
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #82 on: 09 January 2021, 08:26:39 »
Overview: 3064...

With the majority human Commonwealth wracked with civil war, Clan Jade Falcon launched a five wave assault.  This was in part in answer to the Kowloon Horde's massive raiding strike in 3058, and partly a demonstration of the Falcons' restored strength.

The fall of Melissia and the ending of Margrave Sharon Bryan's authority in the Melissia theater is the keystone event here, as most of the units broken at Melissia were openly pro-Katherine, and therefore did not get four years of 'care packets' from Kowloon.

Chahar's stand-a single militia RCT against five clusters of Jade Falcons, resulted in the militia's being overwhelmed-but not without making it a pyrrhic victory for the Jade Falcons.  The survivors of the Chahar MTM retreated in good order and found fresh equipment waiting for them at Medellin, along with 1st Battalion, Kowloon Horde and 3rd longship squadron, Kowloon Horde.

the 1st Falcon Strikers and 8th Talon cluster retreated with what ships they had left.

At Machida, the local militia was supported by 1 Regiment, 2 Division, Kowloon Horde and 2 Squadron Longship.  Falcon warship White Talon sunk at the L1 point, well outside the 75,000 km limit.  Special recognition to Longship Korvettenkapitain Nicole Minh, one of the Horde's human captains, and the KLS Carlotta Nueva Pueblo, which delivered the fatal strike to destroy the Falcon flagged Aegis class vessel.

The threat posed by the space based units was sufficient to force Turkina Keshik to halt landing operations, and withdraw before calling in naval reinforcement in the form of JFS Turkina's Pride.  the subsequent fleet action being the first in the Inner Sphere since the 1st succession war, the Kowloonese forces were able to withdraw with seventy percent of their personnel along with a significant number of escaping civilian vessels.  Turkina's Pride was damaged in the engagement, and eventually the defending forces were forced to withdraw, accepting Hegira from the Khan of Clan Jade Falcon-a rare expression of mutual respect.

In other battles, as Adam Steiner frantically worked to piece together a counter-attack plan, worlds with Kowloonese support put up the best fights they could, inflicting unplanned losses on the Falcon touman and slowing the rate of advance, but this was hampered, as many Katherine-loyalist formations withdrew preemptively in the face of Clan forces, or were wiped out after being weakened against Pro-victor units that likewise experienced destruction and even, in one case, annihilation.

The Civil War had done exactly as Elizabeth predicted-it left the realm too weak to defend itself from the Jade Falcons...

Ia Drang, Kowloon, mid 3064...

"Why should I trust you, Adam?" Elizabeth Ngo asked, "For that matter, why should I trust you Archer? You've both been eagerly tearing the guts out of this nation with the civil war."

"you can't do it yourself." Adam Steiner said, "we're losing this as much because we don't have a unified command as anything else. You've got the organization and the logistics talent to turn that around, we've got units ready to fight if they have support, and we must turn this around."

"That's a better case than Bryan made." Elizabeth said.  "You realize, I'm taking a chance listening to you, but you're both here.  I have one condition."

"What is it?" Archer Christofiori asked.

"The external enemy takes precedence,  period." she said, "You're out of the civil war business, we do this, it's only to protect the realm and let the politicians sort their own shit.  We win against the Falcons, we stop them, roll them back, and hold.  No more pledges for loyalty to either side, if we join  in fighting for real, it's with the singular understanding that Victor and Katherine can have their arguments to themselves, no involvement from either of you.  Can you do that?  Can you put the nation ahead of your personal issues?"

The two men looked at one another, and then,"yes."

"Let's get to work then."
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #83 on: 09 January 2021, 08:50:24 »
Apolitical political map: Kowloon's place in the universe...

In 2789, the Treaty of Annexation of Kowloon was written and signed.  In it, Kowloon (the system) was given an unusual legal status-a semi-autonomous stellar system.  This basically means that the Commonwealth could ask a tithe of personnel and equipment annually, and collects taxes from the government, but exerts only limited influence, leaving the Kowloon system alone to conduct their own internal affairs.  This 'reservation status' meant that even the national draft required voluntary enlistment, Conscription by the Lyran Commonwealth being strictly limited, and many regulations imposed on other Lyran worlds are absent in the Kowloon binary star system.

Effectively, while Kowloon recieves almost nothing from the national government in terms of military protection within the border, they also do not have to comply with laws like the 2791 Militia Act (revised many times over the next few centuries), nor do they have to limit their military holdings, so long as they remain inside their border.

Several Archons and Estates General officials have tried repeatedly to get this 'reservation' status rescinded, only have it thrown over in the Commonwealth's Supreme court.  thus, while most Planetary Militias are lucky to have a single regiment of troops, The Kowloon Horde's size is sufficient for many worlds, being able to grow to Corps size with full integral combined arms, and able to refuse mobilization without 'a damn good reason'.

Usually, this 'damn good reason' has taken the form of 'go out and kill pirates', these deployments historically have ranged out of the Kowloon system, outward of the Lyran border, as such military operations have been illegal for most of the last three centuries.

This changed briefly under the Federated Commonwealth and Lyran Alliance periods-the first, with Victor steiner-davion's granting of permission to hit the Jade Falcons (the 3058-59 Horde Raid) and then, after the outbreak of the Civil war, the Kowloonese simply stopped caring if their operations were illegal-with two Archons claiming legitimacy, they simply decided that until there was a unified national command, the laws restricting deployments just didn't apply.

A result of this, is that for 30 light years in every direction from Kowloon itself, there was an aggressive and well-trained response to any foreign invader or bandit group that dared poke their noses in.

a 'Quarantine zone' you might say, or you might call it what Nondi Steiner did: "an Illegal expansion of their reservation."

The sum impact, being that neighboring systems got a lot more protection than they would otherwise have, and despite millenia of prejudice, Goblinoid standing with mostly-human populations in this zone, was improving markedly.

as it was, with worlds OUTSIDE that sphere of influence that were getting military aid packages when the Quartermasters under Nondi were trying to starve them out.

This provides Adam Steiner and Archer Christofiori with more than just extra troops-it's a secure political base.  Elizabeth's open support of the counter-offensive bringing added transport, baby-warship escort, and, of course, additional troops to help.

Effectively, an Orcish Warlord has become the politically most influential force along the periphery border, and one of the most important influencers in the Coventry Province.
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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #84 on: 09 January 2021, 08:54:32 »
Nice turn of events... this is definitely an interesting take!  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #85 on: 09 January 2021, 16:39:00 »
KLS Rachel G Jennings, Melissia system...

"Shake out the formation."  Elizabeth's pressure suit pinned her skin under thrust. 

Ahead of them, between the counterinvasion force, and the planet, the Jade Falcons had slid a strong defensive picket.  It wasn't the route she would have chosen, it was the route that the scout force said was available.

"RTO, send to our surface units standing by-don't jump in yet, we have a contested entry."

"Aye mum."

"Depressurize for combat, and launch fighters. Prep for sparkling flower maneuver...mark."

The Jade Falcons had set up a good defense, she could tell that by looking at the array of combat vessels ahead of them, but it was derived from SLDF practice-a spread of assault dropships anchored by destroyers and a cruiser.

The formation was textbook, and she could just detect the ignition of fighter engines from waiting positions among the enemy force.

numerically, the Jade Falcon defense was easily a match for the 3 Squadron, 1st Division, with an edge in firepower and volume.

but the falcon picket was clearly designed by a ground-pounder who read a naval manual.

"on my mark...Mark, Sparkling Flower!!" she barked in Orcish.

There's a problem with naval manuals read by ground pounders.  They presume your enemy either has not read them, or that they have done so uncreatively.

The Squadron's fighters streaked in at the flanks of several dozen multiwarhead capital missiles that had been 'cold launched' at six gravities on approach.  as the enemy fighters moved into the merge, seeking glory against her own, the unpowered missiles slid past them, and then, past the fighter screen and extremely costly to then turn and intercept, ignited their own engines.  In the frictionless environs of space, it's absurdly easy to reorient your nose, but it costs fuel to change your vector, the faster you are going, the harder the burn to turn around and chase down a target. 

the falcon pilots were flipping to slow and intercept as her fighters streaked past them, but her pilots cut thrust and flipped as well, and in the transition, less mass means less mass to turn-inertia still works.

at the merge between the fighter groups, the Kowloonese pilots got bead on target first, and in a fighter duel, it is often the first accurate shot that decides the engagement.  Armor helps, to a point.

but that point can be overcome rapidly if the target is smaller, and thanks to less mass, able to move unpredictably with greater ease.

The cutters, for their part, spread their formation in a three-dimensional fashion, splitting along their vector in a curve, pulsing engine thrust to enable 'tailsliding' nose-on positions while they fired their secondary weapons into the furball, using their own fighters as 'spotters' to triangulate and predict the vectors of travel, angle, and acceleration curve of their opponents.

meanwhile, the multiwarhead missiles split open as their fuel ran out, releasing a spread of self-guided warheads-really quite cheap- into the enemy's formation.

Each missile released three payload warheads and a 'squeaker'-a wide angle portable radar set that was more about drawing attention than delivering data.

Elizabeth watched as the enemy's carrier dropship, and their assault support ships, reacted to five kiloton surface detonations, sweeping the dropships from the field in silver bells of actinic light.

a few of the small warheads impacted the Cruiser, flickering her running lights and spraying out irradiated hull metals and armor.

"Good shooting Three squadron. come about  in sweeping jaws formation, engage as you bear, on my mark..."

she laboriously drew in a breath, three gravities isn't pleasant, after all, "Mark."

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #86 on: 09 January 2021, 16:49:53 »
You'd think the clanners would have learned by now...  ::)

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #87 on: 09 January 2021, 16:57:51 »
These clanners who had learned dear Liz' ways and means have most likely not survived long enough to pass on their hardly earned wisdom since they passed quickly  ... ^-^

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #88 on: 09 January 2021, 18:02:48 »
You'd think the clanners would have learned by now...  ::)

The KCGM taught the Falcons everything they now know about deep space combat, at a significant price for each lesson.

Unfortunately for Clan Jade Falcon, the KCGM hasn't run out of things they know but have yet to teach the Falcons.

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Re: another shot at a fantasy mixup.
« Reply #89 on: 09 January 2021, 18:06:50 »
The KCGM taught the Falcons everything they now know about deep space combat, at a significant price for each lesson.

Unfortunately for Clan Jade Falcon, the KCGM hasn't run out of things they know but have yet to teach the Falcons.

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