### Author Topic: can you tell me where we start over?  (Read 14192 times)

#### Sharpnel

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #60 on: 07 November 2020, 13:38:57 »
I love the Letterkenny reference. Now go and fetch me a Puppers.
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#### Cannonshop

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #61 on: 07 November 2020, 14:59:13 »
Board meeting, Ngo Industries, Vin Drin Lap Kowloon, 3055...

"Build it." Her Grace the Duchess sat at the table with a group of people she barely remembered from childhood.  "I'll back the financing, we'll run a marketing campaign, but build it."

Elizabeth sighed, and tapped the table, causing a hidden emitter to light up.

"See this?" she asked, "it's a map of the Inner Sphere, which is where we are.  See this line here, in red? that's the truce line, rimward of that line, the Clans can't attack until 3067 on their honor, you know, the year I turn thirty...guess where we are."

Alicia Li, who had Sithers-Deen's spot on the board, squinted, "aobut...here." she said, "above the truce line."

"Bingo, winner, chicken dinner."  Elizabeth stated, "We are exposed on multiple fronts.  Kowloon is above the truce line, which means the Clans have leave to attack us.  we are also on the ass end of the Commonwealth, right next to nobody, aka the periphery, which is home to large numbers of people who don't want to be bothered, and large numbers of Pirates and Bandits who would like very much to steal everything we have including our people.  it's a huge volume to patrol and police and the Lyran government can't police or control most of it.  Half those bandits used to be mercenaries hired to provide security out here."

she left the holographic projection going, "We need to be able to provide our own security, because we can't count on anyone else being able to provide it for us...so build it, I've got ideas on how to pay for it.  we need it."

"It'll ruffle some feathers." Rabbi Levi noted, "building up a force the size you're proposing, Your Grace."

"So we'll ruffle some feathers? so what?" Elizabeth countered, "Look, there are two ways to do things-the way that leaves us vulnerable, but makes the politicians comfortable back on New Avalon...and then, there is the way that leaves us slightly less vulnerable.  Either way, as long as we're not tearing off to blow up the neighbors, I doubt anyone will care.  we meet contract, we supply the goods our customers ask for, they won't ask us what we're doing with the profits or investment."

"What about the purchases to feed this proposal? won't they notice that?"

"We'll build the gear too." Elizabeth said, "Through second-tier suppliers and subsidized contracts with independents here in the system-we just won't piss off our customers by trying to compete with them on the outside...besides, nobody is building everything we need anyway, and some of it doesn't compete with anyone."

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#### Nikas_Zekeval

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #62 on: 07 November 2020, 15:15:16 »
"What I see, is three centuries of lost knowledge that should have been able to return decades before it finally has, because warden scumdogs blocked that return."  The three paused at an intersection.  "I see technical advancements in life-saving methods that the inner sphere never had the chance to develop because they bombed themselves into barbarity, advances that save lives every day, and could be saving more lives, except the damn Wardens do not want to bring it to the trillions of people who need it the most.  When I look at the Clans, I see order imposed on chaos, conflict that is controlled and structured instead of haphazard genocidal madness."  He checked each way and they started walking again. "I see a rule of law that works. and who has kept it from being brought to the masses? the scumdog Wardens did."

And here is the ironic mirror to the attitudes that we cheer in Elizabeth...

#### nerd

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« Reply #63 on: 07 November 2020, 17:14:19 »
Henry is not unlike Phelan Kell, except a Crusader.
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#### Cannonshop

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #64 on: 07 November 2020, 18:33:11 »
Henry is not unlike Phelan Kell, except a Crusader.

I'll cop to that, and even offer an explanation.

one of the things I like to use in stories, is the concept that reasonable people, from only slightly different backgrounds, can look at the same evidence (or similar evidence) and come to radically contradictory conclusions...without needing mental illness or drug addiction to do it, and without needing for one of them to be a giggling 'Stupidly Evil' moron.  'Right' ends up being largely from your point of view, and even moral people can come to firm moral grounds, within their own morality, and yet be absolutely at odds.

even to the point of going to war.
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#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #65 on: 07 November 2020, 19:01:43 »

Coming to Tharkad was a nightmare of switching between cargo ships along routes aboard a shuttle craft and using up airsickness bags.  Elizabeth was simply happy she'd missed the funeral thanks to distance.

you can't miss the coronation, Lizzie. Maggie had told her, so she leveraged her firm's power and finances to manage a 'poor man's' command circuit to get here in under three weeks.

The experience being one of great personal misery.

Elizabeth had an invitation-like any of the hundreds of minor nobles here, except she wasn't here to petition for anything, nor to seek favour.

She was here, to do her lawful duty, and be done with it.

Selection of clothes creates the impression.  When doing leisure, dress for leisure, when doing formal receptions, an evening gown is recommended.

When seeing the Archon-Prince, put forward your best foot and hope he's not offended.

Elizabeth chose based partly on psychographic profiles from company marketing databases and the available data through corporate espionage aimed at customers who wanted to impress Victor.

He had no patience for faux military, and little interest in holding court.  His career showed an aversion to using his family name or position to impress subordinates or officers, suggesting a businesslike respect for accomplishment and character.

Liz left the ball gown in the closet, choosing instead a bespoke skirted suit, modest, in black and dark gray, with a harsh white blouse, because of all the possible people to be sitting on that throne, Victor had the least use for sycophants.

Her suit jacket was cut to enhance what few curves her body had, while being deliberately modest and somewhat harsh at a distance.  she wore her hair in a simple low-set ponytail, neither sassy nor seductive, just efficiently out of her face, and she chose flats, because Victor was nearly as short for a man as she was for a woman.

nonthreatening, businesslike, and made of materials that would quietly suggest her wealth, while not shouting it in a gaudy and irksome manner.

as a lark, however, she chose a top-hat and cane-the cane, because she twisted her knee during one of her TDS episodes and had to limp. (also to help her stand again after kneeling on an injured leg) the hat, because even a modest girl needs a little flash.

and it would give her hands something to do when facing the most powerful man in the Inner Sphere.

if subtlety had been the intent, Elizabeth soon realized she was standing out in the crowd of minor nobles, military officials, and civil servants like a beacon screaming 'look at me!!'

"Oh this is going to suuuck..."

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#### Nikas_Zekeval

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #66 on: 07 November 2020, 19:15:52 »
Yeah, being the one person in the class to have done you homework generally doesn't not make you popular with your classmates you just made look bad.

#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #67 on: 07 November 2020, 21:12:02 »
Private hearing chambers, Royal Palace, Tharkad...

"Elizabeth Ngo...huh...eighteen...exempt?"  Victor cocked an eyebrow.

"Yes your highness." she said, "if you would be so kind as to lift that exemption I would be grateful."

this made him frown. "Mom would call that a trap." he said, "a moment, Duchess?"  He turned to an aide, and asked a question, the aide cupped his earbud, nodded, and whispered an answer.

"Oh, NO, no way." Victor said, "You are NOT going to trap me with that, jesus christ, you're terminal."

she winced. "Not yet, Majesty." she said through gritted teeth, "I've still got between twelve and fifteen years.  I could serve for five and not even come close."

"answer's still no, Duchess.  You've already given the realm both parents and two brothers.  I'm going to ask that you prioritize arranging your heir, because I really don't want to be stuck with that."

"Yes, your majesty." she said, "We're working on that problem already.  I've got a good staff."

"Hope so.  How are things on that end?"

"Taxes are high, services are scarce, unemployment's been high but we're getting it under control." she listed off, "We're working on some initiatives to deal with Piracy in the region in the absence of AFFC forces, if they pan out, it'll reduce the load on the Eighth and maybe give the realm some room for negotiation to get better mercenaries in."

"Civil matters?"

"I'm not qualified to discuss military matters." She said firmly, "I can ask Kommandant Mosovich, except she's running the show back home while I'm here.  She's my most likely successor-at least, the one I'd pick." Liz said candidly while fidgeting with the hat, "She was a week from being my brother's wife-so she's practically family."

"Hmm." he mused.

"You'd like her better than me." Liz observed.

"I didn't say that."

"You don't have to. your first reaction was pity." she said harshly, "like looking at a sick animal dying by the road.  Right now, you're wondering why I'm not in a hospital, unless that very, very, short answer you got from Mister Curiatis was full of more information and details than normally fit into a six second statement."

"Why aren't you?" Victor took the bait.

"My great uncle Truk, died in the New Avalon Institute of Science's medical and biology wing long before I was born.  He died screaming." she stated, "My grandfather never forgave them for letting his brother suffer for six months before an enemy gave him the final mercy.  Stage Three of Cholmann's syndrome.  When I hit stage three, no drug or combination of drugs known to man can help cope with the pain, I will lose the ability to go into shock, your highness, I will lose the ability to shut out or forget sensations, my body will be wracked in a permanent state of seizure as my nervous system overloads itself while simultaneously failing.  In short, I am going to die, in agony, while going insane.  I have twelve to fifteen years to prepare for this, during which I will experience increasing levels of chronic pain, insomnia, and the loss of the ability to feel pleasure as endorphin receptors in my brain die, resulting in sustained and repeatedly longer periods of increasingly severe depression...and there is no cure, no treatment, the pain and the other symptoms can be treated-with increasingly strong doses of narcotics, antidepressants, and anti-seizure medications. so not only am I terminal, but I'm biologically fated to become a drug addict in order to continue functioning for as long as possible." she tapped her cane on the floor.

"That's not an answer to my question." Victor pointed out.

"No, that's the preamble.  I am not playing lab-rat for a rare disorder that will probably die with me, because the only thing I have, the only reason not to kill myself right now, is what I can accomplish before I'm too ****** up to accomplish anything. The only salvation I have, is what I can do for my people, and I can't do anything at all from a hospital bed.  I have a time limit.  My due-date is coming, and the only salvation I have, is getting as much done as I can, while I can...and my people are under threat.  my nation has been invaded, and I'm not permitted to take up arms."

"So...you told me what you must do, tell me what you want."

Elizabeth drew in a deep breath.  "I want to be allowed to do my duty." she said, "I want you to take down the barriers and let me do everything I can to defend my home and guarantee my people's future.  I may not have one, but there are a billion and a half people in the Kowloon system, I'm responsible for all of them, responsible to defend their safety, their prosperity, and their sovereignty against outsiders.  I want you to let me do that."

"Something a little less abstract?" he asked.

"I want to hurt the ****** clans." she said, "They took my father, they took my brothers, they sent my mother over the edge and took her too."  she clenched her fist, "I want to hurt them...like they've hurt millions of our people, I want a measure of vengeance, of justice, I want to see them experience the fear and the chaos, I want to see them driven from Lyran soil in despair and pain.  I want to live to see the day they're driven to flee from us."

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#### Artifex

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« Reply #68 on: 07 November 2020, 21:43:37 »
And woe betide anyone who denies me this! ...

Yeah, that's our Lizzie.

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« Reply #69 on: 08 November 2020, 02:04:39 »
I am really liking Henry Ngo as a fleshed out character now.

I recall in the older Ngoverse timelines, a Loki Team (Containing Charles Vanh) attempted to extract the bondsmen / prisoners, and Henry Ngo died fighting them as he was recently converted to the Jade Falcon Crusader cause similar to Nathan Roshak and Morgan Icaza.

His death is covered up so as not to embarrass / Dishonour the Lyran loyalist Ngo Family.

Only the revelation from the Jade Falcons (Morgan Icaza, if I recall) that Henry switched sides to get medical for Elizabeth Ngo at the cost of everything (His personal honour with his family and homeland!) in the previous iterations of the NgoVerse managed some form of reconciliation with Elizabeth Ngo and less icy relations with the Jade Falcons.

The new possibilities I can see for this version of NgoVerse

1. Henry still dies to the Loki Extraction Team, everything proceeds as normal as the other NgoVerses

2. Henry is recorded as "killed", and the Jade Falcons decide to give him a new identity until it is needed again.

3. Henry Ngo survives, but Elizabeth Ngo finds out, gets angry for a while, and initially denounces Henry Ngo for being a turncoat, but events in the Lyran Commonwealth / Alliance / FedCom Civil War eventually forces her to moderate with the Jade Falcons early.

Henry's presence in the Jade Falcons will then be official and public knowledge arranged / explained as something mutually beneficial but not at odds with current treaties or the old Lyran Commonwealth.

If option 3 ends up happening, an extremely crude analogy from history that comes to my mind would be like the ancient Chinese Han Dynasty Princess (Or concubine , or Court Lady depending on the source) Wang Zhaojun, who volunteered or was "volunteered" / chosen to be a bride gift to a Xiongnu Tribe chieftain. Her sacrifice and honesty is still honoured by Chinese today, as she was thought to have done so to be a stabilising influence between the tribe and her mother country.
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#### cklammer

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #70 on: 08 November 2020, 06:23:09 »
I'll cop to that, and even offer an explanation.

one of the things I like to use in stories, is the concept that reasonable people, from only slightly different backgrounds, can look at the same evidence (or similar evidence) and come to radically contradictory conclusions...without needing mental illness or drug addiction to do it, and without needing for one of them to be a giggling 'Stupidly Evil' moron.  'Right' ends up being largely from your point of view, and even moral people can come to firm moral grounds, within their own morality, and yet be absolutely at odds.

even to the point of going to war.

In Marketing, Public Relations and Politics they call it "framing" ...

Nitpick two post back: Kuriatis => Curaitis
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#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #71 on: 08 November 2020, 13:59:38 »
Later...

The last of the petitioners were gone, Victor was alone with his paperwork and his staff.

the others had been easy-mostly 'no' for obvious reasons, a few that looked beneficial got 'yes' and about a third were to be sent back for further clarification.

"Theodore would love that kid." He said, looking at the one that was bothering him still.

"Ngo.  Theodore would love that kid."  he leaned back in the chair.  "No long-term threat because she's got an incurable illness, good family background, wants to serve...unless you found something in her psychographics?"

"No sir.  everything in her history and her behavior says she's sincere...you gonna do it? lift the exemption, let her enlist?"

Victor planted his feet, and sat up.  "No." he turned to his aide, "no, I won't do that."  He drew in a breath, "I'm going to give her an option."

"Option?"

"MIIO noted the girl's got half a billion people living off-planet in that system, they've got shipyards, and asteroid mines and a lot of other low-observable infrastructure."  Victor began.  "How do you suppose they get around that with a population density of one person per Billion square kilometers at max?"

"Um...dropships-you're not thinking dropships."

"No, I'm not.  the approach limit to Kowloon, how long is it?"

"About as long as Mizar...Oh shit, jumpships! They'd have to be using them just to keep the system operating!"

Victor nodded.  "They would.  The Clans have most of what's left of the Star League's navy, and nobody conquers anything without landing."

"The Naval program?"

Victor nodded.  "The naval program.  I'm going to give her the option of participating. 'if you can build it, you can serve with it'."  He laid a hand on the desk.  "She'll either realize it's too big a job and give up on this idea of charging into hell, or we get a hip-flask naval reserve that the Realm's enemies don't know we have."

"Win-win."

Victor nodded.  "I expect her to try, I expect her to quit, but this way I don't feel like an ****** for telling her no, and I'm not a monster for telling her yes."
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#### mikecj

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« Reply #72 on: 08 November 2020, 14:51:16 »
one of the things I like to use in stories, is the concept that reasonable people, from only slightly different backgrounds, can look at the same evidence (or similar evidence) and come to radically contradictory conclusions...without needing mental illness or drug addiction to do it, and without needing for one of them to be a giggling 'Stupidly Evil' moron.  'Right' ends up being largely from your point of view, and even moral people can come to firm moral grounds, within their own morality, and yet be absolutely at odds.

And that dose of reality makes your stories much more interesting than many others.
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#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #73 on: 08 November 2020, 15:19:14 »

Henry paced the edge of the circle as his opponent got to his feet.   The argument was over something comparatively petty in Henry's view, but Jordan was adamant.

So...a circle of equals.  this was the third time Henry backed off to let his opponent get back to his feet.  Unlike the bouts he fought in school, Henry didn't 'trash-talk'-he stayed wary.  Trials of Grievance weren't boxing matches, and there was, he knew, a subtle insult in letting his opponent rise after knocking them down.

Jordan was half risen and tried a charge. Henry sidestepped when the man was fully committed to trying for a grapple, and brought his knee up in a textbook leg-block, catching the trueborn warrior firmly in the gut, while slamming an elbow down across the back of the man's shoulders, a combination that simultaneously stunned and knocked the breath from his foe, then he stepped back to wait for the other man to recover after landing.

"You sure you want to keep doing this?"  Henry finally asked.  The other man roared something unintelligible and rushed him again, swinging wildly.

Henry popped him in the nose, then started delivering body-blows, knuckles impacting with great speed in sharp combinations.  The beating was efficient, and calculated.  Henry had zero intentions of losing a new transfer 'mechwarrior just because the man had issues with being led by a 'stravag'.

The other man had other ideas, unfortunately, and tried again for a textbook grapple.  Henry had seen many of these before, the combat style the Clans use is derived from Krav Maga and Jiujutsu, with a little bit of regular boxing and muy thai.

His own style was tightly disciplined with a three way decision tree from every movement: hurt/maim/kill

Jordon was making it difficult to avoid maim, or kill.

The man threw a blow that is designed for lethal encounters.  this changed the equation and Henry rode his reflexes.

in the next four seconds, freed from the refusal to do permanent damage, Henry proceeded to dismantle the man, shattering bones and reversing joints with the practiced ease of a master hand-to-hand combatant.

He stopped just short of killing the man.

"MEDICAL TECH!!!" he bellowed, as Jordon lay gasping.  Henry squatted over his broken foe.  "You may recover for the next seven days on light duty, 'mechwarrior Jordon.  After that, you will report for duty, and this matter is closed.  Do you understand?"

"aggghh..aff?"

"Very good." he stood up.  "Anyone else feel like trying their skills?  Then this assembly is dismissed, return to your duties."
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#### cklammer

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« Reply #74 on: 08 November 2020, 15:27:56 »
The best way to learn is through the pain of your own mistakes ... if one is boneheaded one makes many and/or serious mistakes ....

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#### Nikas_Zekeval

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« Reply #75 on: 08 November 2020, 16:01:04 »
Victor nodded.  "The naval program.  I'm going to give her the option of participating. 'if you can build it, you can serve with it'."  He laid a hand on the desk.  "She'll either realize it's too big a job and give up on this idea of charging into hell, or we get a hip-flask naval reserve that the Realm's enemies don't know we have."

"Win-win."

Victor nodded.  "I expect her to try, I expect her to quit, but this way I don't feel like an ****** for telling her no, and I'm not a monster for telling her yes."

Oh god.  Victor really needed Simon Illian's advice from A Civil Campaign of what not to do with Miles Vorkosigan:
Quote
Illyan: Do you know all those old folk tales where the Count tries to get rid of his only daughter's unsuitable suitor by giving him three impossible tasks?
Ekaterin: Yes...
Illyan: Don't ever try that with Miles. Just... don't.

Yeah, Liz does not do "Back Down".

#### Dave Talley

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« Reply #76 on: 08 November 2020, 16:10:53 »
dammit dude

now we need an AU where Liz Marries Miles, the amount of cunning, and the connections and wealth combined with a couple people who simply will not give up
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#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #77 on: 08 November 2020, 16:41:31 »
Falcon OZ...

"...remedial hand to hand training."  Henry stated, "you will notice the 'mechs behind me, have had pod spaces in the arms fitted with hand actuators.  There is a specific reason for this, as well as the fitting of short-range weapons in the usual ranged systems installations."

He trooped the line, "Star commander Phillip, help me out here, what was it we were doing toward the end of the Humptulips operation?"

"You were throwing rocks because we ran out of ammunition."

"That is correct." Henry said, "Rocks, trees...other things.  There will never be a time, in combat against the Inner Sphere, but especially against their better forces, where we will not be outnumbered, and ammunition is in perpetual shortage.  Further, the more successful Spheroid forces like to engage at ranges that negate Clan Range Advantages-and they like to do something else.  Star Commander Shelby, what is it they like to do?"

"Aff."  Henry nodded.  "Shelby, how many 'mechs did I take down in a Chameleon before I was dragged down by Morgan Icaza's elemental point?"

"Three, Star Captain."

"Three what?"

"Three Veteran to Elite rated front line trueborn warriors-not including the one you took down with a DFA during the initial contact." she reported.

"Very good.  How did I do that?  Keep in mind the rest of you, I was barely through my first year at the Academy and could be termed 'untrained' even by Sphere standards at the time."

"You beat the shit out of them, Star Captain.  Melee attacks and close quarters battle."

"This is what our trinary is going to drill on.  Melee and counter-melee, close quarters, and low visibility operations in constricted terrain-like the kind that Inner Sphere military forces that are competently led exploit to counter the technical advantages of Clan forces.  this trinary will become masters of every disadvantaged environment and technique, because we are here to win."  he folded his arms, "Jordon! nice of you to join us.  Are you ready to learn how to beat the Spheroids at their own game?"

It had been a week since the 'trial' and Jordon's arm was still partially braced, his nose still held in place with a splint, and his jaw was still partially wired to prevent the weakened bones from fracturing again accidentally.

"Aff."

"Good.  alright, everyone, get to your 'mechs, we will be training against Trinary Gamma, with Gamma's Elementals acting as Observers."
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#### Nikas_Zekeval

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« Reply #78 on: 08 November 2020, 16:56:11 »
Shit, Henry isn't just fighting for the Falcons, he's building them a ****** "Red Team" to train against.

#### croaker

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #79 on: 08 November 2020, 17:26:19 »
Shit, Henry isn't just fighting for the Falcons, he's building them a ****** "Red Team" to train against.

Yeah. In previous iterations he was basically bought by the promise of a cure for Lizzie.

Here, tho, he’s a True Believer.

That is a very different thing.

#### glitterboy2098

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #80 on: 08 November 2020, 17:42:58 »
"Ngo.  Theodore would love that kid."  he leaned back in the chair.  "No long-term threat because she's got an incurable illness, good family background, wants to serve...unless you found something in her psychographics?"
who's Theodore, in this context? you may want to add a family name to the second mention, to make it clear.

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"About as long as Mizar...Oh shit, jumpships! They'd have to be using them just to keep the system operating!"

Victor nodded.  "They would.  The Clans have most of what's left of the Star League's navy, and nobody conquers anything without landing."

"The Naval program?"

Victor nodded.  "The naval program.  I'm going to give her the option of participating. 'if you can build it, you can serve with it'."  He laid a hand on the desk.  "She'll either realize it's too big a job and give up on this idea of charging into hell, or we get a hip-flask naval reserve that the Realm's enemies don't know we have."

and thus the Sampan Mk.1 Cutters get an early arrival, and the Lyran navy starts learning Lang Belta and the importance of practical nav skills and applied newtonian physics early enough to really make the Falcons hurt.

#### Euphonium

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #81 on: 08 November 2020, 17:46:21 »
Shit, Henry isn't just fighting for the Falcons, he's building them a ****** "Red Team" to train against.

And the last thing any intelligent person wants is a truly smart enemy.
Personally I think Terry Prachett said it very well:
"Lord Hong sometimes wished he could have an enemy as clever as himself. Or, because Lord Hong was indeed very clever, he sometimes wished for an enemy almost as clever as himself, one perhaps given to flights of strategic genius with nevertheless the occasional fatal flaw."
>>>>[You're only jealous because the voices don't talk to you]<<<<

#### Euphonium

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #82 on: 08 November 2020, 17:46:50 »
who's Theodore, in this context? you may want to add a family name to the second mention, to make it clear.

Probably Theodire Kurita
>>>>[You're only jealous because the voices don't talk to you]<<<<

#### Cannonshop

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##### Re: can you tell me where we start over?
« Reply #83 on: 08 November 2020, 17:51:27 »
Ioto Galactic Enterprises offices, Gibbs...

"Thank you for seeing me, Mister Zuiderwyck, I know you're a very busy man."  Elizabeth greeted the CEO of Ioto Galactic Enterprises with a smile and a curtsey.

"Miss Ngo..or should I call you 'your grace'? Your visit wasn't predicted."  Seamus Zuiderwyck gave her a short nod, "What is this about?"

"I understand you've been in talks with Di Tron, and with Krupp." she said, "Di Tron for a joint production project, and Krupp of Terra for specific tooling.  I believe the Krupp contract projects to be worth 117 billion kroner."

"You have good information." he looked like he bit into a sour melon.  "I must commend your corporate espionage people."

"I'll tell them you said hello.  I'm going to offer you a better deal." she said.  "how does fifty three million Kroner sound?"

"That...that's less than half!"

"Well, it comes with strings."

"what doesn't?  what are yours?"

"I need to borrow some of your engineers to design a ship for me...and I will need to own the design when it's finished.  In exchange for that, my people will get both the Alarion and Gibbs KF core facilities operating at 110% of design efficiency by...oh, let's call it 3058."

"Krupp said they can do it by 3060." he said.

"Yeah, well, they have to get permission from Comstar." she said, "I don't."

"How big a ship?"

"Compact core, Three hundred fifty to five hundred thousand tons, no drop collars but a good-sized fighter or shuttle bay, uniform weapons suite." she explained, "the mission is space superiority and the tactical doctrine is to work in tandem with other vessels of the type, as well as supporting the coming RX-79 'Fox' class from the FedSuns member state, or eventually as a support and escort for the Cruiser design you're working up with Di Tron."

"You want...a Warship??"

"I want the design for a warship." she countered, "For which, I will take a loss to make sure you're able to put the warships you already have designs for into production two years ahead of their projected schedule."

"How...why??"

"Because His Majesty told me, if I can build it, I can use it." she told him.  "It is my intent to go after the Clans, his majesty will lift the draft exemption I'm under and let me serve the nation-if I can build a black-naval unit to serve the nation with."

"So, like those Hydrofoils on Skye then." he said.

"Sir, If I wanted that-I already have it." she said, "I want there to be no question of the fitness of the force I build for the Realm."

"Half rights, not exclusive." He said, "Your puppet company or Ioto, and nobody else.  Agreeable?"

"Agreed." she shook his hand.  "Let's get the contracts written."
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#### glitterboy2098

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« Reply #84 on: 08 November 2020, 17:54:27 »
iirc the biggest hurdle the Fox class had in production wasn't KF cores, it was sublight drive availability.. and it took (reformed) comstar's help to get those ironed out.

#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #85 on: 08 November 2020, 17:55:50 »
iirc the biggest hurdle the Fox class had in production wasn't KF cores, it was sublight drive availability.. and it took (reformed) comstar's help to get those ironed out.

YUP.
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#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #86 on: 08 November 2020, 18:12:59 »
"...major hurdle isn't the cores, though once we're done, they won't even be a concern, but the sublight drive engines."

Elizabeth looked at the specs on the RX-78, and shook her head.  "This is stupid." she said, "we can build that."

"What?"

"I said, we can build that-or at least, a thrust unit of equivalent mass with equal performance already-the technology isn't hard.  The requirements here, they're not that demanding."

Seamus's eyes widened, "You're wrong."

"No..." she walked over to a wall, and took the picture off of it, then extracted an eyeliner pencil.  "Look, see?" she started writing equations on the wall, with a crude diagram.

F_{\text{thrust}}=g_{0}\cdot I_{\text{sp}}\cdot {\dot {m}},
where:

{\displaystyle F_{\text{thrust}}}F_{\text{thrust}} is the thrust obtained from the engine (newtons or pounds force),
{\displaystyle g_{0}}g_{0} is the standard gravity, which is nominally the gravity at Earth's surface (m/s2 or ft/s2),
{\displaystyle I_{\text{sp}}}I_{\text{sp}} is the specific impulse measured (seconds),
{\displaystyle {\dot {m}}}{\dot {m}} is the mass flow rate of the expended propellant (kg/s or slugs/s)

"Nuclear rocketry isn't new." she added, "We use the right alloys and materials already for dropship, shuttle, and aerospace fighter engines. The only real constraint is the size of your output versus the fuel consumption rate, which can be adjusted using linear magnetic fields as part of the containment structure like so..."

she drew an image, "Which is how a Mammoth's engines work."

"Where did you learn this?" he asked.

"extension courses." Elizabeth stated.  "None of this should be hard to manufacture or procure, certainly not on the scale it's needed, and your engineers can do an even better job than I can, so I have to wonder if someone isn't sabotaging your progress."

"I'll sell you the contract if you can prove you can build those engines, Miss Ngo...beyond the theoretical."

"Okay...but how about this instead-we'll build the tooling for you to build the engines.  That way, I'm not in competition with any of my other customers."
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#### Nikas_Zekeval

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« Reply #87 on: 08 November 2020, 18:30:42 »
"Okay...but how about this instead-we'll build the tooling for you to build the engines.  That way, I'm not in competition with any of my other customers."

"And I have a nice set of tooling plans to make additional sets to sell to other naval customers so they can also build these engines."

Ngo Industries learned the first rule of any resource rush.  Be it gold, gems, or military contracts.  For ever one that strikes it rich, there are dozens, to hundreds, to thousands of 'also rans' that went bust or did little better than break even.

When gold was found at Sutter's Mill, CA?  Many of the workers ran off to pan for gold.  Samuel Brannan went to San Francisco and bought everything he thought a gold miner/panner might need, and then loudly spread the news of the gold find.  He then went up and set up shop nearby the gold fields.  Being the only store for those supplies closer than San Francisco, he made a killing, things like paying $0.20 for a pan in San Francisco and selling it marked up to$15 at his store.  Why yes, he'll take your gold in payment.

Probably saw more gold than any of the panners that way.  That is how you really cash in on a resource rush.  You don't go after the resources, you go after being able to supply those chasing after the resources.
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#### glitterboy2098

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« Reply #88 on: 08 November 2020, 18:48:38 »
When gold was found at Sutter's Mill, CA?  Many of the workers ran off to pan for gold.  Samuel Brannan went to San Francisco and bought everything he thought a gold miner/panner might need, and then loudly spread the news of the gold find.  He then went up and set up shop nearby the gold fields.  Being the only store for those supplies closer than San Francisco, he made a killing, things like paying $0.20 for a pan in San Francisco and selling it marked up to$15 at his store.  Why yes, he'll take your gold in payment.

Probably saw more gold than any of the panners that way.  That is how you really cash in on a resource rush.  You don't go after the resources, you go after being able to supply those chasing after the resources.

Sadly Mr. Sutter lost everything in that rush.. the gold miners literally stole his land, and he never did get his mill finished. he lost everything.

#### Cannonshop

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« Reply #89 on: 08 November 2020, 19:04:27 »
"Don't sell ships...sell rope..."\

Elizabeth took her time going back to Kowloon-in part, to avoid the level of massive discomfort and undesired weight-loss from violent nausea and vomiting-she took a few days at each stop to recover between jumps, and filled that recovery time, with securing more contracts, offering loans, and generally structuring a supply and support line for the RX-78's production phase.

Not all of her meetings were with established corporations.  Many of them, were with small, 'mom and pop' outfits working on a tight margin, and a few weren't even production equipment deals.

The Lyran Commonwealth is an interstellar nation.  This is a bit like terrestrial nations made of archipelagoes of islands isolated by ridiculously dangerous and extensive seas.

Upon her arrival at Kowloon in January of 3057, she brought with her a mountain of financial resources, and a thick sheaf of mineral rights claims to the outer systems of much of the Coventry province-mineral rights quite rightly seen as valueless in the terrestrial-focused mining business that dominates most of human space.

she in turn, leased those rights to prospectors, along with access to ships and equipment paid for in large part by the leases on those rights, rights that included things like water ice, carbon, and rare earths.

The moves, when viewed through the conventional, established industries, don't make sense...but then, that's kind of the point, isn't it?

expanding industries need raw materials, and the kind of materials needed for the production of Ferro-Aluminium, Ferro-Fibrous, and Endo-Steel, along with the need for alloys used in Extra Light fusion engines, compounds for Myomers, and 'Triple Strength' myomers all rely on minerals and elements that are relatively rare in planetary crusts-but not particularly rare in asteroid belts, planetary ring systems, and so on.

Of course, it's easier to defend a planetary mining claim, than a volume of space.  Thus, most industrial giants focus on what they can easily dig out of the ground in open pit mines or the occasional hard-rock crustal tunnel mines.

It looks like a long-shot.  Liz doesn't think so.
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