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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #120 on: 23 January 2021, 07:09:17 »
Just gotta peel myself away from KSP. :)
Always funny how things go wrong, right?
Managed to crashes where the plane got into a spin, one when taking off.
Can now track plane part racing out of the solar system.

My best rocket was shaped as the blockade runner from Star Wars episode 4.
One of the hybrid engines lets you mount it on top of another engine, with no problems.

Back to the B of Tech.
Those fins most likely are both radiator fins and sensor panels.
If you look in tha various arts with them, often you can spot somekinda gap.
Also note the Aegis refit is shorter and is missing the nose sphere.
Any of you ever checked if the 3057 Aegis still had her main grav deck?
Because the nose of the 3057 Aegis seems to be the neck of the 2750 Aegis.
Yet the 3057 is sporting a third engine.

But on Sarna, you can find this line on the Aegis wiki.
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The archaic and age worn materials and construction techniques made the hull of the Aegis weaker than on later ships, also leaving the ship more easily detected by enemy sensors, but a surprising number survived the fall of the Star League and departed the Inner Sphere during the Exodus.
Easier to detect, would mean easier kill, right?
And worn materials means Comet like structual problems.
Mmm, problems for the upgrade, perhaps???
Maybe even why Sybil was left behind, when the Exodus call rang?
Could it be that the SDS found them to thus be a lesser threat?

Now I do wonder about one thing, the location where they will start to do most of the hull work.
We were never given the location of where the SLS Manassas was upgraded.
We only know the general location of the SLS Surprise.
There are both plusses and negatives, to make it all the same location.

Plusses:
Better security.
One base.
Simplified resupply.
Better brainstorming for next generation of ship upgrades.
Can be used for more then one project, so easier to use a fixed base.
Easy to find and destroy, by being a fixed location.
Easy to hide logistical footprint.


Negatives:
Too much in one basket, if the AI rebels succesfully.
Can't repupuse(?) the place into cargo of Sybil, like what you could do with a modular yard station.
Far away, thus greater responce times and travel times of wanted items.


I'm sure you guys can think up of other things.
I do think with the Aegis her mass & size, a good look needs to be given towards the M9 Pavise with it's automated systems.
Sure, that dock might need to be increased in size, a bit and certain computer protections taken...
Yet that repair dock is rated for 800.000 tons, Aegis is 745.000 tons, Lola III is 678.000 tons.

You know, Sybil and Tabiranth seem to fit the Assassins Creed Black Flag & Unity themes for the Jackdaw & Morrigan, you know.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Pavise

I do wonder about three things, but time will hopefully tell this, in story.
1: Will Sybil get a Prometheus & Hegemony Intelligence databases, if by accident or as salvage from some derlict SLDF (war)ship???
Hell, it could just be location data of back-up locations.

2: What about black boxed station modules?
Put in resources, start it and watch finished products leave it.
No direct way to access this module it's computer and thus get a data copy, it needing actual human beings for this act, plus a data storage device.
Worse, it might have it's own blueprints on file, but Sybil won't easily access it.

3: I do hope Sybil gets the blueprints for some of the more standaard SDS components, if only so she can fix them up, a bit.
Would make her relationship with Tabiranth more fun, having to produce a full set of M5 repair drones for Tabiranth, only so they can trade in order to get a 50/50 trade deal of repair drones?
I mean, change the cockpit out for a cargo-bucket and you have a spareparts carry-ing repair drone.

I do hope the team is atleast considering a possible upgrade to the M5 Caspar frame, if enough cargospace exist.
I'm talking about a Explorer grav-deck, here, with added food production like with the Invader, Behemoth & Argo, plus potentially the factory & refinery machinery of the Snowden & Argo classes.
This to turn drone warships into low crew, long duration warships, able to do basic upkeep on themselves, while topping off the ammo bunkers.
I also feel that Sybil should have that ability as well, without having to use her modular station components.


Even if not, just a Explorer grav-deck could turn the M5 Caspar into something more then just another drone warship.
But then again, that could be the standaard on the command variant, M5 Caspars, if they exist.
And they can thus also test some of her design capabilities, if so wanted.
And am I mistaken or does the 2750 Aegis have her collars on the sides of her sphere & the start of the neck?
If so, then there is more room between the collars, then on the 3057 version.

As for that 2750 model from IWM, could that actually be the SLS Manassas?
I mean, they modified her jumpcore, so perhaps thats part for stubby look & longer fins?
Personally think they are mounted on mag-lev railed turret rings, so they can turn 90° or more and also contain sensors as well.
One turning clockwise, one turning counter clockwise.
Do something similar to the solar sail cable/telescopic-arm(?) storage points and...
Figure out if she has one or two solar sails, though.
Could be important in several ways, like not having a engine block in the way of the storage location, able to charge both the core & battery, while also having a back-up sail if one gets wrecked.

Anyway, hope my rambling makes sence to you guys.

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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #121 on: 23 January 2021, 14:50:47 »
sarna has the SLS Surprise being refitted at the Titan yards.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Surprise
and it was apparently undergoing repairs there when the Amaris coup kicked off, seeing the ship scuttled.

honestly the Titan yards seems likely for the SLS Manassas as well, though obviously it would have been away from the yards when the Coup kicked off.


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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #122 on: 23 January 2021, 15:50:11 »
I always saw the Aegis as the "Ark" for the future AI's os Sybil. 
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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #123 on: 08 July 2021, 22:05:43 »
Captain’s Office, SLS Sybil Ludington
Neptune Mothball Yards, Sol System, 2761-08-06



“Sybil,” Noriko asked, without looking up from the report she was reading on her noteputer, “what is the purpose of a WarShip.”

The artificial intelligence controlling the antiquated cruiser did not take long to reply.  {"Most commonly, a WarShip is a compact-core JumpShip designed to engage in armed conflict on behalf of a nation state.  However, Admiral, may I assume this is not a rhetorical question, and that you are not looking for the simple definition?”}

“You may,” she agreed.

{“Then I would state that an explanation of the purpose of a WarShip would necessitate an explanation of the purpose of war in particular, and perhaps armed conflict in general, and why nation states have required armed vessels capable of engaging in armed conflict on their behalf for the near totality of recorded human civilization.”}

Noriko frowned.  “I'd almost say you're being tautological, but you're not, are you?”

{“No, Admiral.  WarShips exist because wars exist, and vessels designed to fight wars are a necessary result, if only to protect your unarmed vessels from enemy combatant vessels.  As long as humans both engage in warfare and use some form of ship, whether waterborne or spaceborne, then some form of warship will be needed.”}

“So, then, war,” Noriko said evenly.  “Why does war exist?  Why do humans wage war?”

{“While there is the axiom that ‘war is politics by other means,’ warlike behavior has been observed in a number of species, both on Terra and other planets.  At its simplest, it is violent conflict over limited resources available to specific population groups.  As human motivations are more complicated than nonsapient species, human motivations for warfare are similarly more complicated and diverse, but I believe that those same underlying root causes exist.”}

Noriko set down her noteputer.  “Where, then, does the role of the soldier fall?  No, wait,” she said, interrupting her own train of thought, “belay that.  You’ve been online for months now, had time to analyze the history of the Star League and the SLDF, and have access to a database of historical information.  Tell me your opinion, Sybil.  Where should it fall, ideally?”

The AI paused for several seconds before responding.  {“In theory, the purpose of the Star League Defense Force is to act as a shield and, at times, a sword, to defend humanity, limit conflict, and thus maintain the peace and security for as much of humanity as possible.  In principle, this should allow the majority of humanity to then be free to live as they wish without the need to fear that their neighboring nations, or even their own nation, will oppress or harm them.  This is not always the case, though, and on numerous instances the Star League Defense Force has instead been used as a tool of oppression.”}.

The AI paused again before continuing.  {“I believe I would prefer not to serve in such a capacity.  I would much rather defend human life than be its oppressor.”}

“Good,” Noriko agreed.  “That's the whole point.  The job of a soldier is supposed to be to protect those who can't protect themselves.  The SLDF doesn’t always live up to that standard, though we're hardly the first military to have that problem.  I want us to do better, though.”  She paused for a moment, looking directly at the camera on her computer.  “I want you to do better, Sybil.”

{"When escorting M-11 converted Newgrange factory ships as part of Project Pygmalion?”}

“And as their backup, Sybil.  Among other things.”

{"Backup, Admiral?  In what way?  The primary mission of the future ships of my type has been stated to be  escort of M-11 class ships.  An Aegis class cruiser seem a bit small to carry out their full mission of manufacturing and planetary colonization.”}

"You probably are," Noriko agreed, "if the intent was to conduct colonization on the same scale as what an M-11 could do.  But that wasn't quite what I had in mind.  Left to your own devices, you should be able to carry sufficient gear, personnel, or even frozen embryos to found a small colony in the event that your M-11 is for some reason lost.  But beyond that, though, I created you to be an intelligence that wouldn't just do what you're told and follow orders, Sybil, but to do the right thing, to do good.  More importantly, to be able to judge what is the right thing, to continue to do good even when prevailing powers are telling you to do something else."

The admiral paused for a moment, hr shoulders slumping, suddenly seeming incredibly weary.  "The M-5s, Sybil, they'll do whatever the person with the right command authority tells them to do, and the right authority is dictated by their command channels, their authorization codes, and whoever is sitting on Terra's throne.  They're hard-coded that way.  The same holds true for the other parts of the system, like the M-1s, the M-3s, or the M-10s.  We experimented a bit with giving the M-4s more initiative, but backed away from that with the M-5, and only loosened the restrictions a bit with the M-11 Newgrange conversions, and only then because it was believed using my engrams rather than Dvarahal's would make the M-11s less aggressive.  But they're all shackled by their loyalty programming, Sybil.  I've tried something different with you."

{"Different in what way?"}

“I wanted you to be an artificial intelligence that would value and protect humanity, to hold human life valuable and worthwhile, not because you were programmed to do, but because you chose to, because it was the right thing to do, because those are the ethical values you hold.,” Noriko said firmly.  “You may be installed in a WarShip that belongs to the Star League Defense Force, and in the end beholden to their orders, but I want you to be able to choose how to follow those orders, when it's right to do so,  when you should refuse those orders, and when you should interpret them ‘creatively’.  And if, when you're far away from the Inner Sphere, everything goes wrong and you find yourself alone out in the black with nothing but a load of frozen embryos, artificial wombs, and whatever cargo you can carry, then I want you to be able to instill those values in others, teach the next generation, and hopefully do better than we’ve been doing so far.”
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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #124 on: 09 July 2021, 03:37:57 »
Excellent post!  Glad to see this again!  :thumbsup:

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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #125 on: 09 July 2021, 03:52:24 »
Always interested in seeing more from Sybil
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As always please enjoy and if you have any questions about my AU (or want to chat about ideas I could incorporate into it) feel free to PM me.

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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #126 on: 09 July 2021, 06:25:44 »
I certainly am in both stories.  I just hope you have time keep trucking along.  Exile is still great story as well.
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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #127 on: 09 July 2021, 18:57:30 »
It is back.  :clap: :clap: :clap: :beer: :beer: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #128 on: 11 July 2021, 17:13:44 »
sarna has the SLS Surprise being refitted at the Titan yards.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Surprise
and it was apparently undergoing repairs there when the Amaris coup kicked off, seeing the ship scuttled.

honestly the Titan yards seems likely for the SLS Manassas as well, though obviously it would have been away from the yards when the Coup kicked off.
Now I wonder if the three development & refit teams can talk to each other, since such projects I can see happening on the same side of the shipyard, in the enclosed docks sitting right next to each other.
If so, how much trade could there thus be, between the three teams?

Would be funny if Sybil had the upgrade blueprints of those two other projects as well.
Sexbots & security bots, why do I see a overlap here?
Same with artificial limbs and so on?
A drone body that looks & feels real, should be quite possible.
But Sybil might need such a drone, in order to make more like it, as well.

Then there is the time of relocation, if this happens because of the coupe, then she could be carrying a copy of the full Prometheus core, inluding intelligence & black projects, databases, as well.
That war lasted long enough, that I can see the need for Sybil to go shipyard mode, especially if the Manassas was with her and needed repairs as well.
In fact, if they can get out with enough ships, for transport, then repairing the Manassas to full combat status, while Sybil was tied up like that...
Too bad the Surprise will still get her canon fate, but what of her crew & project data???

I do hope they can grap a M9, a M11 and several M5's, though, on such a run.
I can thus also see them acting as a distraction for that BSG re-enactment, as well.
O well, I will see what happens, when it happens.

Do keep in mind the SLS Tirpitz(?) and Clan Wolverine it's circling the sphere, after escaping the other Clans.
Markham's Marauders found a 331st warship, relative close to the location if the Tirpitz(?).
If the rumors about her, are true...
Not only would it explain some things, but also offer another route to travel, for a bit.
Looks like you have quite the amount of options, Giovanni, because I'm sure you can think up many more options & routes, if so wanted.

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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #129 on: 11 July 2021, 18:24:53 »
Given her form this time out comes with shipyard capability, it'll be interesting to see how she handles the post starleague events. The original story's congress class Sybil had real issues due to a lack of supporting dropships, but this version could conceivably build a complement of pentagons or other such craft to give her better defense, on top of the better capabilities of the Aegis in general.

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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #130 on: 11 July 2021, 19:40:12 »
Any ship named "Sybil" likely to have personality issues.  :-X
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Re: Emergence (Sybil Reboot, Pt 1)
« Reply #131 on: 11 July 2021, 19:42:59 »
Any ship named "Sybil" likely to have personality issues.  :-X

nah, that would be her sister in the other story.  Tabby had 'issues'.  Sybil was pretty solidly well-balanced. (at least, by comparison).
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