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Re: Self Configuring Modular Robot.
« Reply #450 on: 25 June 2022, 21:44:00 »
would the CapCon's thinktank even be looking at Cholman's though? the lyran one has a reason to do so, Sun Tzu has his focused on the physics stuff as far as major projects, and while i have no doubt that his eggheads are working on medical stuff (he's smart enough to know to recruit a wide range of talents) i suspect that Cholman's isn't on their radar.. yet. with the joshua situation, i have no doubt that he'd see the wisdom in potentially obtainign that bit of leverage. i also suspect thqat the capcon would be the only group able to develop the cure. not because of any particular medical skill, but because the capcon wouldn't be hindered by those pesky concepts of 'medical ethics', "survivable experiments", and 'volunteers required". (there is a reason that in other timelines, it took not only clan scientists but ones from The Scociety to find a viable treatment.)
Well when I setup the TC wunderkids they are all Tech based, not spread over a wide range of skill sets.
I do agree the CC would not be bothered by "medical ethics", but the FC has a live patient with  Cholman's does the CC?
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« Reply #451 on: 25 June 2022, 22:13:02 »
c)I'm still struggling with what Sun Tzu's little copy-project is going to turn out regarding 'big science', but the Capellan Navy is getting a long overdue facelift with possible implications to the international scene later on.

I just don't know what,yet.

Probably something horrifying, or something outright brilliantly clever.

Using the automated machines to produce the ingots, to build the factories, to produce of shipyards to churn out Jumpships and Dropships?  He is already setting up the scanning idea that he copied, he just needs the ships to make it practical.  That would be fun later on where the Inner Sphere wants to go after the Clan Homeworlds (Task Force Serpent) and Sun-Tzu is the only one with the necessary ships available right then.

You also said the Capellan Navy is getting a facelift.  What if they are equipping their ships with modified Asset Denial Weapons that are a new version of the SCMR, but modified to not be spotted by the existing anti-SCMR systems and even integrate the anti-SCMR systems into themselves?  These would have a limited lifespan, but would be a major problem if they got onto a planet.  Make them where they enter stand-by for 3-4 days if they hear the Capellan national anthem being sung?  So schoolkids singing the anthem every day means no problems, but otherwise the little robots are causing trouble.

A third idea would be using the SCMR systems to build goods needed by Taurian and Canopian citizens, setting up a trade network.


Or other ideas:
  • Self-Aware Colony - being able to spy on and crack down on dissidents easier in the various cities, plus having the entire city as a self-aware system that treats invaders as hostile.  It works to get people out of the city, redirect materials as needed, etc.
  • Offworld refining (plop down a basic auto-colony on an uninhabitable planet, and let it gather resources under the control of the people present)
  • Nanotech assembly (not directly, there would be auxiliary systems that hold the materials in place for the nanotech to stitch the final connections together)
  • Planetary Energy Grid - Easier to deal with sudden energy demands and drops, allowing for faster industrial expansion and recovery after a disaster (or raid)
  • Citizens' Defense Force - all those citizens that are loyal to the State need weapons and equipment,plus training.  Thanks to the industry you can provide the equipment at least
  • Planetary transit System - aka where are all these defending troops showing up from, let alone shipping material around the planet faster/more efficiently

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Re: Self Configuring Modular Robot.
« Reply #452 on: 25 June 2022, 22:54:01 »
Hoo boi, not a good time to be one of the workers at the Quartermasters of the Lyran Commonwealth

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« Reply #453 on: 26 June 2022, 01:25:38 »
"You will spend the rest of your lives in this space station we have built for you. The life support system is the one you approved. You will have the same parts to maintain it that our crews have, and the manuals they work from. If the life support fails, there will be no rescue. So you had better pray the flaws in the system are truly 'not so bad', because your life depends on you being right and understanding the life support better than I do."
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« Reply #454 on: 26 June 2022, 04:16:35 »
I hope Li has at least sent the recall order!  :o

Also, please note I massively overengineered the life support on my design proposals for this one... :)

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« Reply #455 on: 26 June 2022, 06:28:50 »
"You will spend the rest of your lives in this space station we have built for you. The life support system is the one you approved. You will have the same parts to maintain it that our crews have, and the manuals they work from. If the life support fails, there will be no rescue. So you had better pray the flaws in the system are truly 'not so bad', because your life depends on you being right and understanding the life support better than I do."

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Re: Self Configuring Modular Robot.
« Reply #456 on: 26 June 2022, 15:24:09 »
I hope Li has at least sent the recall order!  :o

Also, please note I massively overengineered the life support on my design proposals for this one... :)
and this cutting corners here, here, and here... well could have in theory maybe have a minor flaw but nothing like that could be fatal unless the backup system(s) were to also fail at the sametime at the same issue.

But I am kinda confused Ngo allowed an untested product Life Support System to be put on the Deep Space Hunters?  They didn't build them in house?
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« Reply #457 on: 26 June 2022, 15:32:52 »
i get the feeling it is less 'untested' and more 'accepted a producer's substandard parts"
the kind of parts that test out fine, even in prolonged testing, but have enough shoddy materials and/or workmanship slipping through a less than thorough QC that when in wider use they wear out quicker and are more prone to breaking under stress.. but not all of them. just enough to make their reliability questionable. the kind of thing that has to be bribed to clear testing because just a few too many of the tested parts failed, but not so many that the system appear obviously dangerous. just a few % higher than the called for specs.
overengineering wouldn't help, because the same questionable parts would be all through the system. what good is having half a dozen back up systems if they all have the same flaws?
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« Reply #458 on: 26 June 2022, 16:16:31 »
That depends on how you rotate use of those backup systems...  ^-^

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« Reply #459 on: 26 June 2022, 23:22:00 »
"It's endemic...

...to the procurement systems in the Commonwealth, and it's not even isolated to the Commonwealth!!"  piles of 'homework' greeted Arthur when he walked into the recovery room.

"Liz?"

"Hi Arthur."  Elizabeth's appearance was a little better than it had been last week.  She had regained color and wasn't shaking.  an aide in a white business suit took this moment to retreat, looking slightly cowed.

"What are you doing with your Baronial staff that has them whispering in the hallway, Liz?"  he asked.

"Nothing...much?" Liz offered, "we're doing a new thing, it's called 'Forensic Accounting' in preparation for next week's Estates General hearings."

"Mom told me." he said, joining her bedside, "You're supposed to be avoiding stress."

"Crushing my enemies is going to be very relaxing." she assured him.  "I'm thinking that hanging traitors is also very relaxing, otherwise why would so many despots in history do it?  Wanna see my enemies list?"

"Liz, that's not healthy." he told her.

'Yeah, well, neither is selling faulty components to the Navy." she told him, "at least, when I'm done it will be right up there with injecting yourself with polonium.  My lawyers tell me the counts of fraud we found just in parsing Mount Asgard's procurement records might be enough we'll need a whole continent to serve as a white-collar prison.  The trouble of course, is that it's more widespread than just the Lyran member-state.  Ms. Whyte's working with your dad to Subpoena records from Federated Boeing."

"Uh, what??"

"long. term, wide-spread corruption.  If Li's people hadn't bumped into those bad air-scrubbers accidentally we wouldn't even know it was there, leeching the nation to the tune of trillions of Kroner."  Elizabeth explained, "I've had to hire people to help with the work load, Art.  It's enormous and pervasive, the taxpayers are being soaked for tens of trillions, maybe hundreds of trillions, I'm starting to think I'm going to need scientific notation to simplify the accounting.  If I didn't know better, I'd think we were looking at a massive interstellar conspiracy going back generations."

Arthur straightened, "Why wouldn't it be?" he asked.

"When you have a choice between incompetence, and conspiracy? incompetence tends to win out, a famous scientific mind in the 20th century termed it 'Hanlon's Law'-for this to be a conspiracy, they would have to have near-perfect internal security, to a level even MIIO can't manage, and they'd have to be able to pass it down through generations." she shrugged, "I don't see anyone being that well organized and still being human."

"and on the flip side??" He asked, "what's the counterpoint to your point?"

"Okay, not ONE conspiracy.  Hundreds, maybe thousands, each of them thinking it's 'not that harmful' and 'just their due'.  THAT is completely credible-they aren't coordinating or talking to each other, they would each be horrified and offended by the actions of the others.  It's more organic, and therefore, more likely, than some centralized super-brain coordinating the impoverishment of not one, but multiple realms simultaneously.  Some, like certain departments of LIC are doing it intentionally for military reasons, some are doing it to gain a lever on competitors or because they think they can.  my point is, around sixty percent of military expenditures we've had a look at, Arthur? are overbudget to the tune of 200% of what they should be, and those are the relatively clean ones."

"The other forty percent are worse??"

"Yeah. kind of explains things, doesn't it?" her eyes glittered with malice, "Why our forces were so very easy for the Clans to overcome in the first wave, I mean? or why the RX-79 was delayed, and still isn't up to the performance it should be for the sticker price?  What what it actually costs the Federated Commonwealth brigade should be able to have a battlemech for every man assigned to it from the cooks to the techs to the 'mechwarriors themselves, not one of those units should have to rely on a civilian jumpship for anything except moving the brothel personnel.  we've all been systemically ripped off and I think it's been for generations...in any case, I get to testify to the Estates General, and your parents are talking about giving me the long-dormant exchequer post, provided I'm a good girl and let the doctors torture me some more."

"How did that go?"

"No seizures this week, no headaches." she shrugged, "I guess it's working a bit...?"

"I brought some stuff, Liz, if you can drop the work for tonight?" he offered.

"Yeah, I can do that. mostly it's letting my people do their jobs now..."

He finally grinned "Coolness! mind getting rid of the minders?"

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Re: Self Configuring Modular Robot.
« Reply #460 on: 27 June 2022, 00:19:30 »
Ahhh, the smell of corruption. Endemic to mankind itself.

Heck, even the clans, for all their efforts, are not immune to corruption. The Society, for example, is simply a more organised form of it.

In fact, corruption is a good explanation for the miniscule forces present proportionately to overall population and GDP, though it doesn't explain the part where that minuscule military force can exert control over an entire world.
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« Reply #461 on: 27 June 2022, 00:42:03 »
easiest way for comstar to hide the economic manipulation they've been doing. encouraging lots of other people to accept corruptions within the system. means comstar just has to insert a few agents every so often to get the process kickstarted whenever it slacks off, and slow efforts to uncover the actions

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« Reply #462 on: 27 June 2022, 03:25:47 »
I was thinking ComStar didn't need to push that hard too.  Just a nudge here and there.  Maybe frame a clean contractor once in a while...  ^-^

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Re: Self Configuring Modular Robot.
« Reply #463 on: 27 June 2022, 04:23:02 »

Heh, nice Gundam reference  ;D


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« Reply #464 on: 27 June 2022, 04:37:33 »
Heh, nice Gundam reference  ;D
  Uhh... that’s the canon designation for the project that became the Fox corvette.

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« Reply #465 on: 27 June 2022, 05:03:46 »
  Uhh... that’s the canon designation for the project that became the Fox corvette.
Which just makes it a canon gundam reference. Fasa seemed to like those, iirc a fair number of wolfs dragoons pilots in the old sourcebook were named after characters from the gundam shows.

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« Reply #466 on: 27 June 2022, 06:10:31 »
  Uhh... that’s the canon designation for the project that became the Fox corvette.

Genuinely didn't think about the Fox Corvette (RX-78), my mind went straight to RX-79 Gundam Ground Type..


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« Reply #467 on: 27 June 2022, 10:24:21 »
It also depends where the money is going. If it's "normal" corruption then somebody is enjoying a lavish lifestyle - which does have some minor economic benefits paying for all those escorts, luxury vehicles & mansions.
But the numbers seem too big for this particularly as this is the sort of corruption that people like Loehengrin look out for.
So where has it all gone?
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« Reply #468 on: 27 June 2022, 11:36:44 »
"It's multilayered...

...and long running."  Baroness Spider Moon, Elizabeth Ngo, sat in the hot-seat in front of the Estates General.  DBC, CBC, Wolfnet, and Comstar camera crews were hanging on her words-for different reasons.

"Baroness Ngo, I'm sure everyone here knows about your strides as a scientist, but that doesn't qualify you to speak on the subject of National Finance."  Ingrid Hasseldoffsen, Baroness Glencoe (Donegal), noted.

"I don't have to be, I hired experts." Liz stated bluntly, "The Forensic Accounting was conducted by neutral experts with no ties to any other government agency or contractor.  I was horrified by the results they brought me, and we're not halfway done yet.  Nashan Enterprises alone has suffered a sixteen billion kroner loss in the last fiscal year-one that was invisible to Her Grace Duchess Doons, your sponsor-because her people didn't know they were losing the money.  The folks at Lockheed-CBM did a housecleaning a few years ago now, and that housecleaning didn't catch the parasitic drag on their finances.  I'm finding numbers that have to be expressed using scientific notation and, Ladies and gentlemen, it's not just in the Commonwealth."

"What makes you so assured of that?"  Lukas Marsden (Butlerville, Pandora) asked.

"Because if it were only impacting the Commonwealth, then we would have lost the commonwealth two hundred years ago." Liz said it bluntly, "The issue is widespread, in the last five year period, the loss is on the order of ten to the twelfth power in Kroner just in the Commonwealth, as I show here, in this chart..."  she waved a hand and the displays lit.  "That represents roughly thirty percent of the total collected tax reciepts nationally.  In other words, pilferage on a scale undreamed of, and it's hitting every one of your pockets, along with the pockets of every employee, constituent, subject, or citizen under your watch.  Our national economy is bleeding money at what can't be a sustainable rate."

"And what is your 'prescription' for this? who is responsible?"  Charlene Luvon asked, looking frustrated.

"Well, 'who' would be a lot of people." Elizabeth stated, "I do not, at this time, believe it is the action of a single conspiracy.  The losses are inconsistent,  and it is my belief that even a concerted effort may only recover around sixty percent of the wealth that's been bled, because it's not just one group or person.  The first move, therefore, is to isolate and identify specific priorities, start with the easily found cheats, embezzlers, and frauds.  Move from there, to the less visible.  My very first prescription, is to conduct a punitive audit of the Department of Quartermaster, removing unqualified or easily identified corrupt individuals in positions of authority and power within the department.  I'm not just speaking of senior officers, but also senior civil servants, then, begin audits on every military contractor with the Judiciary on the hotline, looking for backhanders, this will, of course, have to include seated members of this body who may have accepted bribes or kickbacks in exchange for the use of their influence."

"and when would this hypothetical audit begin?" 

Elizabeth sighed, "It has already begun."

Lohengrin personnel in uniform, escorted by Military Police, began filing into the chamber.  "I would suggest that attempting to resist arrest at this time will be accounted as an admission of at least partial guilt." Elizabeth added, "not all of you are going to be arrested, but, we did have to call in reserve militia to help with the arrests and processing."

Cries of outrage erupted and the chamber was deafening.
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« Reply #469 on: 27 June 2022, 11:44:59 »
Years ago I ran into a story where Batman was training a Robin. (There's a point, I promise.)

Bruce assigns essays about how the Robin would solve different problems. These escalate - disaster, hostage situation, take out an evil parallel Superman and so on - until finally the scenario is that Batman himself has snapped and needs to be stopped from a roaring rampage of revenge.

Now the essays have also increased in length as the problems got more complicated: contingencies, who to recruit for different problems, that sort of thing.

The last essay on how you stop Batman? 'Without prior warning.'

Surprise. Speed. Violence of action. The third is held in potential, but it sure is present.

EDIT: Sun Tzu is keeping a very close watch on Liz and the Brain Trust for ideas to steal. One might predict a similar sort of anti-corruption project in Capellan space...
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« Reply #470 on: 27 June 2022, 13:24:00 »
Sun Tzu has no need for an anti-corruption project in Capellan space, now an anti-Comstar/Terra project yes indeed
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« Reply #471 on: 27 June 2022, 13:27:41 »
"and when would this hypothetical audit begin?" 

Elizabeth sighed, "It has already begun."

Lohengrin personnel in uniform, escorted by Military Police, began filing into the chamber.  "I would suggest that attempting to resist arrest at this time will be accounted as an admission of at least partial guilt." Elizabeth added, "not all of you are going to be arrested, but, we did have to call in reserve militia to help with the arrests and processing."

Cries of outrage erupted and the chamber was deafening.

Recalling Hanse's wedding toast?  I'm sure Melissa both happily approved of this timing, and added more funds to finding a cure for Elizabeth so she can be a daughter-in-law.

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« Reply #472 on: 27 June 2022, 13:59:31 »
Sun Tzu has no need for an anti-corruption project in Capellan space, now an anti-Comstar/Terra project yes indeed
they're ultimately the same thing, and given the capcon's crippled economy post-4th succession war, you can bet that he'd direct people to look into it, since a 30% loss is a major one, and the CapCon has generally weaker anti-corruption protections to begin with so the loss would probabl be even higher for them. so fixing that issue would be a high priority now that he knows it exists. and it would also be an easy sell to Romano, though getting her to do it properly instead of just purging every senior official without investigation might be tricky.
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« Reply #473 on: 27 June 2022, 14:43:13 »
they're ultimately the same thing, and given the capcon's crippled economy post-4th succession war, you can bet that he'd direct people to look into it, since a 30% loss is a major one, and the CapCon has generally weaker anti-corruption protections to begin with so the loss would probabl be even higher for them. so fixing that issue would be a high priority now that he knows it exists. and it would also be an easy sell to Romano, though getting her to do it properly instead of just purging every senior official without investigation might be tricky.

Of course, he has the advantage that he doesn´t quite have to bother with the same standards of evidence as the Commonwealth. As long as the evidence convinces him that an individual is guilty, that´s enough. No long court trials, either, except here and there as a show for the public.
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« Reply #474 on: 27 June 2022, 18:38:28 »
That will only really work once HE is the Celestial Wisdom...  ^-^

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« Reply #475 on: 27 June 2022, 18:58:35 »
That will only really work once HE is the Celestial Wisdom...  ^-^
or if he can convinced his mother to delegate the duty. which would probably be easy enough once he points out the amount of paperwork involved. as long as he produces reports showing progress and turns up a crop of people she can give show trials and public executions to every so often, he can probably swing a free hand.

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« Reply #476 on: 27 June 2022, 19:26:34 »
On the flipside, one can argue the corruption was a good thing - smaller militaries and hence less loss of life during wars.

It's also important to note exactly how corruption affects overall production - I've heard arguments that since the corrupt folks are still spending the money, it goes back into the economy anyway. But that money was essentially unearned, and there was nothing produced of equivalent value.

I mean, just look at a certain son of a prominent political figure in real life (I'm from Asia, and even I know about it). All that money spent on drugs and women. Sure, that money went to the economy, but he didn't produce anything to deserve it.

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« Reply #477 on: 27 June 2022, 19:37:32 »
without getting into rule 4 issues related to it.. real life has generally shown that beyond a certain (fairly low) level of wealth, it doesn't actually contribute to the economy at all, but just sit unused in bank accounts and tax shelters, not circulating and not generating economic activity.


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« Reply #478 on: 27 June 2022, 20:01:23 »
without getting into rule 4 issues related to it.. real life has generally shown that beyond a certain (fairly low) level of wealth, it doesn't actually contribute to the economy at all, but just sit unused in bank accounts and tax shelters, not circulating and not generating economic activity.

It does, but that is typically done by providing funding directly to new companies, it also provides money for the banks to loan out.  If it just sat unused, inflation would eat it alive, so it has to be at least make enough to balance out the losses from inflation and preferably gain a little more.

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« Reply #479 on: 27 June 2022, 20:11:37 »
Rodon has it right: money "sitting" in a bank account is absolutely being used.  Where do you think bank loans come from?  ???