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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #30 on: 25 October 2020, 23:51:55 »
wow, Cannonshop even manages to make the Jade Mongols reasonably smart. pretty sure the official versions from the canon would have been all "full steam ahead" on a raid, and probably slammed half a dozen dropships into cities as an opener, or something.

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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #31 on: 26 October 2020, 12:30:33 »
And if they start throwing nukes in space, the Jade Falcons cannot make planetfall.
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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #32 on: 26 October 2020, 13:38:39 »
there wont be any falcons to make planetfall
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« Reply #33 on: 26 October 2020, 15:08:06 »
Command Centre, LCAF, many light years away...

"She's re-militarizing? good!" Trillian Steiner-Davion, the Archon of the Lyran Commonwealth...well, one of them, anyway, snapped.

"Mein Archon, you didn't see her, you didn't hear her, and you aren't listening!"  Ivan LaRue argued, "She's not doing this for you-she believes the Commonwealth to be ungovernable, the nation to have already fallen!!"

"That's not what I hear when I listen to your recording, Ivan." Trillian said, "What I hear, is an echo of another Ngo, from my grandfather's time...but, you may be correct."  she placed the headphones on the desk, "It may be time for the mountain to come to mohammed.  She rebuffed you, she will not rebuff me."

"You can't be certain of that!"

Trillian straightened.  "I can be, and I am." she stated.  "Whatever else you may say about her or her family, be it that they are ruthless, social-climbing, vicious, law-defying, rules-bending, cruel, or psychotic, that family has one guiding fact behind them-loyalty is their foremost virtue."

"This is not the past, Archon!!" he argued.

"We will see." she stated, "We will see."  she folded a pair of gloves and slid them into her pistol belt, "I will visit Kowloon, and see for myself."

"It is not safe!"

"If I can not travel in my own realm in safety, surrounded by my own soldiers, we have already lost." Trillian announced, "Therefore, I can, I will, and it will be entirely in safety.  I dare Malvina to take a shot at me.  I will visit a Vassal, and in so doing, remind her of her duties, while rewarding her foresight in carrying them out...or...I will remove the problem." she smiled a winning smile, "but I expect to more likely reward her for her initiative-a trait sorely lacking in the Commonwealth's forces these days."
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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #34 on: 26 October 2020, 15:12:05 »
Trillian has style...
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« Reply #35 on: 26 October 2020, 16:44:36 »
Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will.  Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here.  Once that is done I will expect the following:

"One, of the total value produced, one tenth of it will be marked as free reinforcements for authorized Lyran forces.  This one tenth is not to exceed your tax obligations though.

"Two, of the total value produced, half of it will be available for sale to Lyran systems and authorized Lyran forces.  If nobody purchases the material within one year of it being announced for sale, it goes under your control.  Try not to buy it all up yourself immediately though, there are other worlds that need military forces.

"Three, the remaining production amount will be yours to use as you see fit as long as it is in the service of the Lyran state.

"I know you'll want your own off-the-books forces, but those will be under your budget, not mine.

"Essentially I want a one-planet armory and resupply depot up here, and if you can do that it will make me a rather satisfied Archon.  If you can export that knowledge and capability to other Lyran worlds in this region so they become strong as well, I will be happier.  Basically you keep this end of the Lyran Commonwealth protected, and I'll deal with the morons at court.

"Bob will have his team draw up a contract, your lawyers will review, and we'll make a nice ceremony of both of us signing it.

"In the meantime, would it be a problem if my troops and yours had a few training exercises together?"


Of course, I also expect the Clans to stop by either just before or during her visit.  For that, there would be two scenarios that come to mind:
1) Clans arrive during her visit.  This means Trillian's professional Lyran military gets hammered, and the Loonies manage to rescue her and smuggle her off-world.  This will lead to a very interesting set of conversations with her top generals, asking why her military is unable to stop the Clans while a Lyran Periphery world is able to.
2) Clans arrive before her visit, the Loonies are fighting hard, and Trillian's force arrives just in time to rescue them.

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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #36 on: 26 October 2020, 19:58:13 »
Personally I'd love to see option 1) work out here idea weenie :D

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« Reply #37 on: 26 October 2020, 20:19:37 »
i'm expecting Option 3... when they arrive Kowloon is already fighting, the LCAF rides in for what they think is their "big damn heroes" moment.. and get their asses kicked, with the 'Loonies rescuing them. complete with rants about how stupid it is to launch into battle with no communications with the local defending forces, thus derailing carefully laid battle plans.

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« Reply #38 on: 26 October 2020, 22:29:53 »
"Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will.  Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here"

and Ngo being a Ngo could simply say, no mam, i dont recognize either of you as archon, thats for you two to settle, preferably without getting a bunch more Lyrans killed, you cannot force me either, at my signal every Ngo industry in the commonwealth will shut down, employees will still be paid, it will hurt our bottom line but those planets wont take an economic hit
go settle your pissing match on your own, I will help my neighbors deal with the Verde Vultures
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« Reply #39 on: 27 October 2020, 02:41:16 »
"Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will.  Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here"

and Ngo being a Ngo could simply say, no mam, i dont recognize either of you as archon, thats for you two to settle, preferably without getting a bunch more Lyrans killed, you cannot force me either, at my signal every Ngo industry in the commonwealth will shut down, employees will still be paid, it will hurt our bottom line but those planets wont take an economic hit
go settle your pissing match on your own, I will help my neighbors deal with the Verde Vultures

That is the fun part.  Trillian would be giving Sharon Ngo an order that she was going to do anyway:

"We're not paying taxes this year." Sharon said savagely.  "Alaric has Tharkad, Trillian doesn't have a working government OR military, but she's got the legitimacy claim on her side.  means there's gonna be a civil war, but until there is, there are two claimants to the throne and I don't like either one."

Trillian is just giving her the order to do what Sharon is doing anyway.  This just covers Sharon legally if anyone in Trillian's government tries to go after her for the taxes.  The harder sell would be demanding 1/10 of the output (by value) the next year, but that is for Trillian to enforce her authority over the other claimants, rather than Sharon.  So that part could be removed.

I did forget about the other Ngo industries on other worlds.  Perhaps Trillian should just phrase it as taxes from Kowloon and in-system industries would be diverted to form a military industrial complex, rather than claiming all of Ngo income everywhere?  Good catch, thank you

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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #40 on: 27 October 2020, 12:21:16 »
December, 3145...

The arrival of a Mjolnir class vessel with a load of Overlord A3's isn't exactly something that happens all the time in the Kowloon system.

"...You're a long way from Hesperus II, Yggsdrasill, Over."  the tiny almost-warship at the jump point was almost a toy.

"We're exactly where we're supposed to be, Coastie."  Admiral Franz Kaurletter replied, "We're also flying a pennant."

"Understood.  we've got a traffic lane open to Boojum if you need a refuel, Over?"

"I have a VIP set to head for Nha Tranh, Coast Guard 2/12, I told you, we're running a pennant."

"I understand that, Admiral.  It's just that it's a two week haul at one gee to Kowloon this time of year, and you can get your Pennant to the Capital faster if you divert to Boojum and let her take the ferry, OVER."

"Just clear a ****** jump coordinate, Coastie."

"Negative.  standing down the defenses in a war zone is not something I have clearance to do, and you don't have clearance to demand, Over.  Now follow the gods-damned flight plan and stay in your corridor!"

"Wait." Trillian spoke up before things could degenerate further.  "Coast Guard 2/12, this is Archon Trillian Steiner, what is the problem? I aim to speak with your Duchess, and I aim to do so without wasting half a month getting there the slow way! Over?"

"Majesty, if you want to speak with the Duchess, she's at the Naval Station at Boojum Three, Ma'am, it'll save a lot of time and headache if you just follow the corridor, Ma'am."

She turned to her Flag Captain, "There, sometimes you just have to ask why.  Follow the traffic instructions, Admiral."

"Aye ma'am... Coast Guard 2/12, can you provide nav com data?"

"Affirmative, LCAF Heavy Archon, but I'll give you one better.  We can give you a harbor pilot in about thirty minutes, if your Batteries are still warm, Over."

"Thirty minutes?"

"My relief, Admiral."

The Admiral looked to his Archon and cocked an eyebrow.

"We'll wait the half hour." Trillian instructed.

"Affirmative, Coast Guard." He said, "Yggsdrasill out."

***

Thirty minutes later, a second cutter arrived, and dispatched a dropship to link up to Yggsdrasill's external airlock 11.

The officer from the Coast Guard wore a uniform without nametapes, just a number, and didn't remove their helmet, their voice was modulated and anonymous, but whoever they were, offered standard courtesies, and returned salutes until reaching the Command deck of the Lyran cruiser, where he-or-she offered a salute.

"Harbor Pilot reporting, Admiral sir." 

"Why are you still wearing your helmet?"

"SOP sir...where's your nav board?"

"SOP?"

"Shipboard and on-mission, sir, it's easier to just leave it on than to keep finding places to put it in arm's reach.  I ought to be asking why you're risking crewmen and fires running shirtsleeves, but it's technically not a warzone yet, sir."

Trillian detected something..feminine in the voice, as the 'harbor pilot' moved up to the nav board, and started examining the settings.

"What's your name...Leutnant?"

"Lieutenant Commander, Mum." the pilot replied, "Service number is Sierra six one seven four November Three Golf Echo...here we go...stand by for translation."

"Wait!! You di-" the Admiral barked.

Discontinuity

For a moment, Trillian was back on Tharkad, fighting to escape from a Jade Falcon ambush...

Discontinuity

"-dn't ask..."

The harbor pilot took her helmet off,  and pulled a sickness bag from a pocket, venting her stomach into it in an action of complete indignity.  Sharon Ngo raised her face from the vomitvac bag, and said, "Welcome to Kowloon, Your Majesty.  Someone said you wanted to see me?" then hurriedly slammed her face back into the airsickness confinement system and vomited again.

"Where are we?"

"Boojum orbit, the Ell One point between the gas giant and Spider Moon, Mum."  Sharon explained, "Not a bad point, kinda loose, but...you guys keep too damn many safeties active on your drives!"

a junior officer offered the Duchess of Kowloon a cleaning wipe, which she used to clean her mouth gratefully.

"you input that manually, we have algorithms-"

"I don't trust foreign nav-coms, Admiral." Sharon said, "Especially don't trust them in my star system.  too many chances some dirtyfeet geek dropped a fraction or rounded off the wrong direction to meet a rushed contract."

she pulled a tabb out of another utility pocket, and chewed a bit of some medicinal gum that smelled like cinnamon.  "Archon...would you like to accompany me to the surface, Majesty?"

"Yes, that would be lovely...dear god, you've got TDS don't you?"

"Yeah...kind of a thing." Sharon said, then presented something to the Admiral, "Mind signing off my logbook? otherwise Cu'ong is going to have my ass in a press over doing a live jump with only four qualification runs."

He took the logbook, and signed off on it with shaking hands.  "FOUR jumps?"

"Five now." she smiled at him, an expression that seemed even more discordant on a face like hers.  "I'm doing my duty week a month early, so it's not 'your grace' up here, it's 'Leutnant Commander', sir."

***

"You have more cutters?" Trillian asked.

"Yeah."

"And I assume you're arming them 'traditionally'?"

"Yes Majesty, I am." Sharon nodded again, "Right at the moment, we've got four operational with full loadouts, we're working up crews for the other eight and reconditioning warheads for the antishipping torps."

The Archon stood with her hostess in a refitted cavern on an airless moon, while staff and crew from the Kowloonese forces were moving like a hive disturbed around them.  "It's not a problem, is it?" Sharon asked.

"I can see several problems, actually." Trillian stated, "Beginning with your statements to General LaRue."

"LaRue was in Brewer's pocket, I don't give two shits what he thinks." Sharon stated, "For that matter, I don't give ONE shit what he thinks.  The ****** got his commission to attend white wine parties and nail interns.  ****** him.  I didn't expect you to show up personally."

"what DID you expect?"

"Melissa 2.0." Sharon stated, "at best, I expected you to send an RCT with a real officer to 'explain' things-with or without the punitive raiding.  At worst, I expected to be cut off like-"

"I didn't have a choice, Duchess."

"I know." Sharon stated, "not with your entire navy sitting in my star system.  I aim to fix that-if there's a Commonwealth left to fix it for."

"on your own?"

"Like I could see a choice?" the younger woman asked rhetorically.  "Look, Between your predecessors and the Clans, the Lyran Commonwealth looks like a barbell, with Tharkad sitting under two occupations, and a gods-damned son of Katherine is claiming to be doing your job.  Meanwhile the LCAF looks a lot like it's been rotted out from the inside.  if nobody else is going to fix it, who will?"

Trillian glowered, "I'm working on that."

"Fair enough." Sharon replied, "I can have the first group of twelve Cutters ready by January, we've gotten the yards up to produce more, bottlenecks are logistics between here, and Tharkad, manpower issues, and the fact that the nation is being invaded.  the Falcons already have a sizeable fleet, we need to shut that down, which means we need bigger hulls, and more of them, and we don't have the yards for either one-not with Gibbs right next door to and next strategic target for the invading Falcons."

"The Republic has offered aid-"

"I wouldn't take it." Sharon said, "I wouldn't take aid from the Republic, Free worlds league, or Federated Suns, and the Combine isn't going to offer.  We need to do it ourselves Your Majesty.  we need to take the strategic initiative away from the invaders."

"You're suggesting attack?"

"It's the only way to win." Sharon stated.  "We need to strike first, from a direction they haven't anticipated, and hard, and then keep hitting...which we can't do with only twelve dinky cutters, two foxes and a cruiser."

"you're ignoring the ground forces in this equation of yours."

"Not really.  you can't stage a planetary invasion if you can't get the troops to the drop, and none of us is stupid enough to emulate the Feddies except, well...the feddies.  I'm not ready to move yet, Highness-we don't have the ability to project enough forces to succeed yet, and you haven't given me leave to make the attempt yet."

"You're accepting my authority?" Trillian asked.

"Highness, you're here, Alaric didn't come." Sharon stated, "You're the Archon, because you bothered to show up for work, the other claimant didn't...and now? it is too late.  I'll swear it in public if you want...but I'm not going to sit here and just let the Commonwealth fall if I do, so you need to factor that into your thinking-if I swear in to you, you better do your damn job, Majesty."
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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #41 on: 27 October 2020, 15:57:54 »
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"Highness, you're here, Alaric didn't come." Sharon stated, "You're the Archon, because you bothered to show up for work, the other claimant didn't...and now? it is too late.  I'll swear it in public if you want...but I'm not going to sit here and just let the Commonwealth fall if I do, so you need to factor that into your thinking-if I swear in to you, you better do your damn job, Majesty."
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« Reply #42 on: 27 October 2020, 16:16:27 »
LCS Yggdrasill, preparing for departure...

"I got what I wanted." Trillian stated, "She's willing to play ball for our team."

The image on the monitor was laced with static.  Julian looked surprised.  "What did it cost you?"

"Not much, for the price of a letter of waiver and a promise to support repeal of the Militia laws-which I was going to push for anyway." she stated, "And an appointment."

"An appointment? Trillian, what did you do?"

"I took what she started, and I expanded on it." Trillian stated, "Then, I put her where she's useful, Julian, there are going to be some radical changes, soon."

"What changes? how soon?"

"Very soon.  Watch your intelligence reports." she said, and signed off.


****

Spider Moon Coast Guard Naval Station...

"You got what you wanted?" Charles asked.

Sharon nodded.  "I did." she sighed, "God help me, I did.  Now I have to deliver."

"What are we delivering?"

"War." she said.  "We're going to rewrite the book one more time, Charles."

"Who?" he asked.

"We're going after Clan Jade Falcon-their navy, their transport assets, their economy." she turned, "Unrestricted Strategic Naval Warfare.  God help me...no, god won't help me, won't help us.  I guess you should ask the Chaplains to pray for our damned souls, we're going to sink the Falcon Fleet.  if they can't move forces, they're stopped.  Phase one, is intelligence, phase two, will be strategic strikes and raiding. They set the tone with their 'surrender or be annihilated' doctrine, we're just going to match them..for now.  I think I want to vomit."

"It has to be, doesn't it?" he asked.

"Yeah, but it doesn't make it feel less wrong, Charles.  my god, you should be arguing with me!"

"Arguing facts in evidence? neg." he shook his head, "The Clan has lost their way under the tutelage of a madwoman."

"And we may have done the same damnable thing." she argued softly.  "I have work to do."

*****

Outside, floating in free fall, were skeletal gantries, and these would be the wombs that birthed the resurgent Commonwealth Navy.
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« Reply #43 on: 27 October 2020, 16:38:18 »

"We're going after Clan Jade Falcon-their navy, their transport assets, their economy." she turned, "Unrestricted Strategic Naval Warfare.  God help me...no, god won't help me, won't help us.  I guess you should ask the Chaplains to pray for our damned souls, we're going to sink the Falcon Fleet.  if they can't move forces, they're stopped.  Phase one, is intelligence, phase two, will be strategic strikes and raiding. They set the tone with their 'surrender or be annihilated' doctrine, we're just going to match them..for now.  I think I want to vomit."


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Outside, floating in free fall, were skeletal gantries, and these would be the wombs that birthed the resurgent Commonwealth Navy.


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Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
« Reply #44 on: 27 October 2020, 17:25:54 »
Time to show the Mongols what total war looks like.
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« Reply #45 on: 28 October 2020, 10:32:39 »
KCGS David Ngo, Coast guard hull 12/04/03...

Commander Jonah Sithers-Deen771 wasn't born to be a soldier.  He didn't even really think of himself as an officer, nonetheless, he was in command of a cutter with 75 men and women aboard, and they were on the hunt.

"Contact, bearing Two four eight by zero three zero, range 15,000 kilometers, emergence wave class two, six seconds to emergence."

Class two-meaning a mid-sized vessel such as a Tramp, Invader, or other Commercial ship with three collars.  Six seconds meant a full thirty light year crossing-the emergence wave preceding a ship's arrival from hyperspace by roughly two seconds for every ten light years.

"All hands, all hands, stand by for combat conditions."  Helmets were grabbed and donned, suit seals checked, and hookups to common air were connected, as the lighting shifted to red aboard and the atmosphere was vented from the pressure envelope.

"Gunnery, give me a visual with telescopes." he ordered.

on the surface of  the hull, a turret motor turned a set of focus lenses, adjusting to range and intensity to bring up the arrival of the jumpship.

The vessel came through, and he focused on it.

"Clan markings confirmed, Jade falcon, one fighter carrier and two transport droppers-both military."  his gunnery officer announced.

"CO confirms visual ident,  This one's legal, Gunnery set torpedoes and confirm ranging deflections."

"Ranging deflections confirmed, she's going active with sensors."

"Fire."

"Fish away."

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« Reply #46 on: 28 October 2020, 11:09:05 »
A BT page of a submarine / u-boat of WW2.

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« Reply #47 on: 28 October 2020, 11:31:09 »
Missiles only?  No SubCaptial cannons?  I mean a nuke is a bit of an overkill to pop and Invader and a trio of dropships.  Especially none of them being late to post Jihad armored brick assault models.

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« Reply #48 on: 28 October 2020, 11:33:51 »
more of a statement.   cue Twisted Sister "we're not gonna take it!"
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« Reply #49 on: 28 October 2020, 11:59:38 »
unrestricted commerce warfare (kill anything with falcon or pirate markings) combined with "lets make sure we kill this thing fast"
especially since the jumpship had a fighter carrier aboard.. had those fighters launched they'd have eaten the cutter alive. killing the jumpship and embarked ships using conventional munitions would take way too long, give them time to launch any readied fighters. a couple nukes will take them out in one volley though, before the JS has a chance to even register the danger.

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« Reply #50 on: 28 October 2020, 12:27:30 »
unrestricted commerce warfare (kill anything with falcon or pirate markings) combined with "lets make sure we kill this thing fast"
especially since the jumpship had a fighter carrier aboard.. had those fighters launched they'd have eaten the cutter alive. killing the jumpship and embarked ships using conventional munitions would take way too long, give them time to launch any readied fighters. a couple nukes will take them out in one volley though, before the JS has a chance to even register the danger.

And how many Sub Capital cannon hits would be needed to shred the Carrier?  Which based on Clan designs would be the only fighter carrier.  And you can carry much more cannon ammo than nukes.  Same deal as WWII, a sub would have more deck gun ammo than torpedoes.

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« Reply #51 on: 28 October 2020, 12:37:52 »
March 24, 3146, Alyina system, Coast Guard Cutter Caroline Ngo, Hull 12/05/04...

Lt. Commander Anh Mohr-Silverberg93 studied the image carefully.  "Black Lion class, Hull numbers are obscured, but the markings match JFS White Eyrie, looks like they're taking us seriously."

It had been a profitable month so far, three systems hit, seven hundred thousand tons of enemy shipping sunk just by Patrol 4 alone. 

"Confirm fighters are out, skipper."

"Of course they are." she said, "they're looking for us.  gunnery, do you have the range?"

"Twenty two thousand kilometers and receding, Skipper...emergence wave incoming, class three, estimate six seconds."

Class three.  Large jumpship or small warship.

"Stand by, lay out the good silver, I want four torps on vac standby for remote firing."

"Aye mum."

"RTO, send to patrol Lead on blackbox, we have found the White Aerie, give them course and range."

"Aye mum, sending now."

Tense minutes passed.

"Message received, orders to follow."

"Confirmed emergence, Clan-modified Star Lord class, looks like she's hauling four empty collars, one Carrier class dropship and one assault modified Overlord-C."

"Send contact report." she ordered.

"Message incoming, 'stand by for action, ready all combat assets, mission is to destroy White Aerie primary objective, secondary objective to destroy her convoy assets'."

"Well, you heard the man, action stations action stations, all personnel to combat duty stations, stand by for depressurization.  Fighters and auxiliary craft to launch positions."

"You know they're going to kick our asses, Mum."

"I'm aware, however, White Aerie is a battleship, a significant investment in manpower and equipment, and she's been used as a sledgehammer by the Falcons, we're duty bound to remove her from the board."
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« Reply #52 on: 28 October 2020, 13:02:27 »
Jade Falcon Ship White Aerie...

"Contacts!!  Emergence waves starboard and port!"

Star Commodore Julius Binetti looked up at the announcement-a fairly standard patrol had suddenly gotten a lot more interesting-the reports of ships failing to arrive at destinations crystallized.

"Get ident on those contacts!"

"No transponder signals, but..."  a high magnification telescope image appeared on the central screen.

"tinker toys.  They are using tinker toys!!  Action Stations, and I want those...pieces of crap swept from my sky!"

The Lyrans had to be desperate to be using such vessels.  It wasn't that the Clan were unaware of the Sampan class cutters, it was that the little ships were known.  Specifically, known to be low-technology, obsolete before they were even laid down, and largely abandoned due to the expense of keeping such shoddy vessels on anyone's registry.

almost an insult to real warriors by even having existed.

"Get the markings, we should certainly punish whoever sent those...things." he scowled.

"Confirm Orca Rampant markings, OvKhan."

Of course.  Nobody else would be insane enough to use them.  "get the NL-45s out in screening positions, those tinker-toy ships are carrying thermonuclear antishipping missiles, and they are Kowloonese, so they will lead with that! and give me a count on how many they sent!"

"Three emergence waves so far, class one, estimate ten seconds...less than ten thousand kilometers range."

They weren't trying the low-probability jumps yet.  of course they are not, there is nothing out here but US!

"Hot points! Missiles incoming negative Z-axis ten thousand kilometers from bearing one-sixty by Six Zero! quantity four....five....fighter signatures, count twelve."

"Warriors are clear to intercept the fighters." he ordered.  The other three emergence waves also finished, and fighters were already spreading from the other three on his flanks and positive axis.

"Engage the nearest enemy vessel with primary batteries!"
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« Reply #53 on: 28 October 2020, 13:17:12 »
And how many Sub Capital cannon hits would be needed to shred the Carrier?  Which based on Clan designs would be the only fighter carrier.  And you can carry much more cannon ammo than nukes.  Same deal as WWII, a sub would have more deck gun ammo than torpedoes.
one, if the specs for the Sampans are the same as those he's used before, they don't have sub-caps. they have four white shark tubes and a couple NL45s for their capital armament.

second, assumign the fighter carrier is a Carrier class (as seems likely), it has 210 armor on all aspects plus 10 SI, with the cutter only able to do about 45 damage per turn using the lasers. so it would take 5 turns to take down the dropship. that is 5 minutes. and in that time the Carrier could launch its entire 10 fighter compliment. which, having nowhere to run, would have no qualms about attacking the sampan until the ship was destroyed or the fighters can out of gas. with the former being more liekly, as the sampans don't have the armor or antifighter armament to hold off ten clantech fighters.
if they task the missiles to it as well they could take it down in three turns, but they'd be unable to engage the jumpship itself or the troop movers, the latter of which would be able to bug out and build up enough velocity the Sampan could not catch them. and this assumes they hit with everything each turn. it very likely could take twice as long.

on the otherhand if they fire Santa Anna's from those missile tubes, or even just Alamo's rigged onto a cap-missile chassis, they can slag both the carrier and the jumpship in a single turn, with good chance of taking down the troop carriers at the same time. and by using bearings only launches they can put four missiles towards the target, ensuring that at least one will hit. and all they really need is one.

plus Kowloon has been building nukes in job lots (remember, they use fission for planetary power and in the belt), plus killing with nukes sends a message to the falcons pretty loudly about the gloves coming off.
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« Reply #54 on: 28 October 2020, 13:23:26 »
The Standard warload for a White Shark nuclear missile is a single 500 kiloton warhead, laser-fused, 'clean' nuclear warhead.

Kowloon doesn't make those.

The initial spread from the 4th Patrol's cutters use a different layout-the warhead section contains three independently targeted, space modified alamo antishipping missiles at 5 Kilotons per warhead, and that's been since the Jihad taught Groves Industries that single warhead systems can be defeated by point defenses.

The first wave is meant to overwhelm point defenses on capital ships and pocket warships, it's the second wave that carries the fun boxes.

a 'Fun Box' is a single-megaton warhead and a selection of tuned metallic lenses.  The lenses are released first, and spread in an array.

Fun boxes go off while the rest of the first wave are coming, and what they let out, is a concentrated x-ray pulse, known as a 'Teller's Flashlight' bomb-pumped X-ray laser.

These are specifically to blind enemy sensors and guidance while the MIRV warheads are on terminal guidance to the target.

This tech wasn't finished by the time that Operation:SCOUR had cleared the Word of Blake from Terra, but it almost was, and someone had kindly kept the tooling and specs in a bunker on the surface of Snark's second moon, along with an entertaining selection of other horrific toys whose development was turned off by the end of the Jihad.

for NL-45 shuttle three, the result was...predictable.  Whatever X-rays don't penetrate, they heat up, and Clan armor is pretty good, but all those electronic arrays require connections into the inside of the ship-and nobody told the crew to close the blast shielding, because they were there to play electronic warfare games with the incoming missiles and fighters.

The other problem, is drop-bombing.
 

Here's how it works: normally, an Alamo strike doesn't rely on dead-fall terminal guidance, because the Alamo warhead is a precision warfare item, and enemy fighters really don't want you to get a good shot/lock with it-so they're going to try to shoot you down.

but if you take the guidance head out, and the rocket motor off, and just keep the warhead and the detonator assembly, you can make that now-unpowered bomb about half the mass of an Alamo...or if you're using Plutonium layer-cakes, you can make a dial-a-yeild device from 10 to 50 kilotons in the same mass.  Fly at the target's predicted path, acclerate hard, hit the bomb release, and angle away.
 
The bomb will keep going at your last velocity, and it can't be spoofed or confused-it's an inert object with no heat signature.

a good pilot, drilled on dive-bombing against moving targets under simulated fire, can put a drop into a straight line in vacuum with a deviation of maybe ten meters.

a Black Lion battleship is a lot bigger than a ten meter circle.

The battle would continue for several hours after it kicked off, but despite spoofing or intercepting the capital missile launches, over a dozen ten kiloton warheads made contact with the White Aerie and only one was actually necessary.
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« Reply #55 on: 28 October 2020, 13:45:24 »
April, 3146...

Their opening move, was nuclear weapons.  By April 12, 3146, over a million tons of Jade Falcon logistical shipping was already destroyed in deep space interceptions, and added to that, the White Aerie, a Black Lion-class battleship.

The opening move was to use nuclear weapons. 

"I am...impressed."  Malvina Hazen said, as the battlerom from the Alyina space battle concluded.  "They have to die, of course, to be punished for their presumption, but I am...deeply impressed.  We finally see Lyrans taking us seriously. Where have their forces landed?"

"Ovkhan, there have been no landings in the wake of these attacks."  the Ordun's loremaster stated. 

"Not a single one?"

"None."

she was now more impressed.  The immediate meaning was clear-this was the opening gambit, the preparation for the offensive, not the offensive itself.

"They are going after our shipping." she said, "our transportation, our ability to move and support our forces...and seeking to force us to invest in protecting our airspace against an enemy who moves from system to system seemingly at random, because they can not muster enough force in any location for a stand up fleet action."  she mused aloud, "We need to force them to face us in the battle they can not win."

the outcome was predictable, four to one, these attackers lost three ships, and the fourth barely escaped.  in terms of attrition, of percentage of force, the loss of White Aerie would hurt, but..."we still have the advantage in numbers, quality, and experience."
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« Reply #56 on: 28 October 2020, 13:50:49 »
Kowloon, April 12...

"...you lost us three ships!!"  the Duchess was not pleased. 

"They took down the White Aerie, mum."

"At the cost of three cutters, eighteen fighters, and two hundred and twenty five men!" she scowled, "a full quarter of our existing Squadron strength, for one tenth of their fleet, Commodore!"

she huffed and settled, "Standing order, write this down: Until further notice, all Coast Guard units on Commerce interdiction duty are to run the ****** away when the Falcons bring in a warship.  I don't care if you've got the drop on them!"
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« Reply #57 on: 28 October 2020, 14:01:06 »
Um, I think you mean Black Lion, not Texas.

And the question not asked, how quickly can Kowloon replace those Sampans, possibly with something better, and their crews?  Because if the Falcons can replace the Aerie?  They won't be building something the size of a Black Lion anytime soon.  And taken out by four ships, even if the survivor is a write off, that collectively massed less than half that Lion did.  Personnel are a bit of a net wash, the Black Lion has slightly over 200, plus any escorting dropships and small craft splashed in the battle.  The Sampans are about 75 each.

Edit: Okay, sounds like the replacement pipeline is further out on the Kowloon side than I originally thought.
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« Reply #58 on: 28 October 2020, 14:17:07 »
earlier in the story it got mentioned that most of their mothball fleet got moved elsewhere, and the production yards shut down. they're reactivating the yards but they only had four (iirc) ships in good enough condition to reactivate immediately. whats left are basically hulks needing a full on rebuild.. not much better than building them new. not sure how many they got rebuilt since then.

so yeah, they are looking at a major bottleneck, and losing three hulls *hurt*

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« Reply #59 on: 28 October 2020, 15:38:08 »
Overview: Weapons are easy.

out of 24 mothball ships, four were ready with only minor work, 8 more required major repair and refurbishment, and the remaining 12 were very close to needing a core-out rebuild.

it took 18 months apiece to build these when they were new, but that was with an experienced workforce, a full service shipyard manufacturing complex, and a training establishment capable of producing crew and commanders at a rate that could match production.

in other words, "Kowloon during the Quarantine Era".

This, is Kowloon after the quarantine, after the Commonwealth government clamped down, and after Andrew Steiner concentrated all shipbuilding resources at Gibbs for easier immediate control, and it is decades after the massive layoffs that eviscerated Kowloon's still toddling shipbuilding industry.

weapons, are relatively easy single-system products.  Building naval warships, even relatively primitive ones that don't require as much advanced industrial capacity as a major dropship yard, is a little more difficult, recruiting crews to man those ships, establishing the training infrastructure for their officers?

These are turning out to be exceptionally difficult tasks.

Aside from parade service, most of the LCN's remaining hulls are essentially 'green' crews aboard vessels that prior to the blackout, had seen little to no service.

for decades.  Further, those few warships remaining in the LCN, were prestige assignments for officer candidates in a Commonwealth miitary more focused on social standing and personal wealth, than on things like military competence.

Aside from a few noble scions who still retained some martial spirit, most of the Commonwealth Naval officer corps know their way around a social function or dress ball, but are at best barely proficient at day-to-day operations shipboard, with no experience in warfare prior to the recent Free Worlds conflict and subsequent Wolf invasion.

and to her credit, Trillian isn't handing over the handful of competent commanders she does have to shepherd a force of what can be generously termed 'light commerce raiders'.

not when there's the potential for a Jade Falcon wall of battle fleet to show up over Gibbs that not only outnumbers the remains of the Commonwealth fleet, but individually out guns and out experiences them.

Sharon's in the same position Elizabeth was in 3050-she has to build a military from the ground up with whatever she can lay hands on that hasn't already been grabbed by her sovereign for duty elsewhere.

she does have a slight advantage, in that she can recruit from within her holding, and has a population with many of the base skills available and willing to serve voluntarily.

this, in turn, has an impact on the general 'look, sound, and feel' of the Kowloon Coast Guard.

Duty uniform is skinsuit with helmet at-hand, an overgarment is worn based on duty type or environment, but once you're in the suit, it's your uniform, this is a radical departure from Inner Sphere (or Clan) norms, and dovetails with the 'spacer habits' of running depressurized in combat zones or during an engagement. 

Ceremonial, by necessity, has changed.  Regulations had to be written to limit practical jokes and hazing behaviours-not to eliminate them, becuase that route already failed on day one, but limitations and formalization of specific types of hazing to create specific naval traditions for unit esprit and consistency.

Emotionally, there is a rift that will grow.  It's inevitable.  The LCN has repeatedly failed against the Jade Falcons, with defeat after defeat, failing to sink a single Falcon Warship.

The destruction of the White Aerie is public knowledge by the end of April, 3146, and with it, comes a reputation for the Kowloonese being the LCN's 'Hard boys'-the ruthless pricks willing to do anything to win, and able to do so competently.

Duchess Sharon Ngo, by May 1st, is already in a position to force through reforms with Her Majesty's backing onto the LCAF's Naval arm.

she just has to somehow manage to obtain enough ships and crew to make it stick...
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