"What happens in six months, why is that the magic number?" he pressed.
Activity on Kowloon detected. Intensify Overwatch protocols.
One question though. Why would the Falcons go after Kowloon? It's not on the path to Terra, which was their focus in the canon timeline. They bypassed any number of worlds on their trek to Terra. Heck likely should have bypassed Tharkad, if not for its symbolic value as Lyran Capital World.
Quote: "If the fight is fair, we did something wrong."Yep, he's definitely a 'loonie.
"Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will. Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here"
and Ngo being a Ngo could simply say, no mam, i dont recognize either of you as archon, thats for you two to settle, preferably without getting a bunch more Lyrans killed, you cannot force me either, at my signal every Ngo industry in the commonwealth will shut down, employees will still be paid, it will hurt our bottom line but those planets wont take an economic hit
go settle your pissing match on your own, I will help my neighbors deal with the Verde Vultures
"We're not paying taxes this year." Sharon said savagely. "Alaric has Tharkad, Trillian doesn't have a working government OR military, but she's got the legitimacy claim on her side. means there's gonna be a civil war, but until there is, there are two claimants to the throne and I don't like either one."
"Highness, you're here, Alaric didn't come." Sharon stated, "You're the Archon, because you bothered to show up for work, the other claimant didn't...and now? it is too late. I'll swear it in public if you want...but I'm not going to sit here and just let the Commonwealth fall if I do, so you need to factor that into your thinking-if I swear in to you, you better do your damn job, Majesty."That is one way to get the relationships down in a feudal system.
"We're going after Clan Jade Falcon-their navy, their transport assets, their economy." she turned, "Unrestricted Strategic Naval Warfare. God help me...no, god won't help me, won't help us. I guess you should ask the Chaplains to pray for our damned souls, we're going to sink the Falcon Fleet. if they can't move forces, they're stopped. Phase one, is intelligence, phase two, will be strategic strikes and raiding. They set the tone with their 'surrender or be annihilated' doctrine, we're just going to match them..for now. I think I want to vomit."
*****
Outside, floating in free fall, were skeletal gantries, and these would be the wombs that birthed the resurgent Commonwealth Navy.
unrestricted commerce warfare (kill anything with falcon or pirate markings) combined with "lets make sure we kill this thing fast"
especially since the jumpship had a fighter carrier aboard.. had those fighters launched they'd have eaten the cutter alive. killing the jumpship and embarked ships using conventional munitions would take way too long, give them time to launch any readied fighters. a couple nukes will take them out in one volley though, before the JS has a chance to even register the danger.
And how many Sub Capital cannon hits would be needed to shred the Carrier? Which based on Clan designs would be the only fighter carrier. And you can carry much more cannon ammo than nukes. Same deal as WWII, a sub would have more deck gun ammo than torpedoes.one, if the specs for the Sampans are the same as those he's used before, they don't have sub-caps. they have four white shark tubes and a couple NL45s for their capital armament.
Is there a TRO book or record of just what exists in these universes?
Is there a TRO book or record of just what exists in these universes?I read this at work and burst out laughing. You do understand HOW MANY butterflies have been killed in all these stories?
I read this at work and burst out laughing. You do understand HOW MANY butterflies have been killed in all these stories?I don't care about butterflies I care about units and builds. Don't care what the back story to their creation is just what they actually are.
Everything in space is about timing, spatial navigation is about timing and speed. Get an object up to a set velocity, and let it coast, the further it acclerates, the higher the velocity. At a given angle, a bullet can travel interstellar distances.given enough time, even intergalactic distance. there is an encounter in Stellaris where your science ship is nearly hit by railgun rounds who's trajectory was traced to another galaxy.
these aren't going that far.
The penetrators hit planets and stations, The ones aimed at stations are hollow, to better transfer energy to their targets in the same way a hollow point bullet transfers energy to flesh instead of overpenetrating.
The ones aimed at ground bases are true penetrators-moving at Relativistic speeds, they hit, and timed and angled as they are, (accounting for orbit, rotational period, angle of approach) they're spending the minimum amount of time interacting with the planetary magnetic fields and atmospheres-taking the shortest route through atmosphere to reach the crust.
Bam, Bam, Bam, Eruption. Three to six hits, bedrock cracks down to mantle, magma erupts with vengeful force.
A dozen worlds experience this, simultaneously on August 15th.
even more damage occurs as 'knock on' effects, from aftershocks and from collateral damage as vents are poked into planetary crust material, effectively overwhelming facilities designed to withstand dedicated naval orbital bombardment.
I don't care about butterflies I care about units and builds. Don't care what the back story to their creation is just what they actually are.
Hmm. Might be an amusing Saturday project, putting them together from all the threads Cannonshop has done lately, but I have to clean the garage and a couple other dad duties. Just go looking in the Aerospace design thread is what I'd suggest.And that was what I was asking. If the units existed to look at them.
Malvina is happy. Her sempai has noticed her!
LOL...that didn't even occur to me, now I can't stop imagining the manga for that. (Curse my inability to draw well!)
Chibi Malvina-(Looking over the damage report)...dear god, would that be straight up manga, or would it be Hentai?
Jesenice System...
The courier vessel arrived and the comm-linke was established.
"this is Brigadier Charles Icaza of the 171st Kowloon Brigade to the Garrison on the world of Jesenice, I am going to offer you a choice, and a time limit. Behind Door number one, is unrestricted warfare in the mold of the Mongol Doctrine as espoused by your Khan, Malvina Hazen. Keep in mind, I have weapons with continental destruction capabilities, good maps, and geological charts of the planet at my fingertips. That's option One. Option Two, Clan Jade Falcon may surrender the planet and system to me, and evacuate. That is option Two. Option Three, is that you degenerates can uphold the Traditions of the Clan, and bid forth a defending force, holding strictly to Zellbrigen, and maybe keep what you are standing on without having it shot out from under your feet. You have eighteen hours to broadcast your answer, if you do not, then...it will be Option One. Icaza out.""
You want your inheritance? then act like it, fight the brutal, lunatic invaders instead of wasting Lyran Lives on a Republic Front!! you won't, because ilClan is more important to you than your nation, just like New Avalon was more important to your mother than this nation! I turned Sharon Ngo loose because we're drowning here!"Someone needs to point that claiming the ilclanship won't matter if the Falcons are still around.. because while the other 4 clans in the IS might accept a wolf ilclanship, the falcons under the mongol faction would just turn on the wolves. his best way to build up his claim for the lyran throne is to fight the Falcons and end that threat to the lyran state. his best chance of convincing the other 4 clans to accept wolf ilclanship is going to be fighting the falcons and ending their threat to the other clans.
LCS Elizabeth Ngo, Sampan mk IV prototype, Lyran Commonwealth Naval Shipyard, Gibbs system...
"Bring up press to point nine one Atmospheres, secure from combat conditions."
"Aye Mum, point nine one atmospheres, securing from combat conditions."
Why 0.91 atmospheres? I'm assuming 1 atmo is terran normal. Is 0.91 Kowloon normal, Gibbs normal, or is there another reason for that number?
Budget, plus running slightly thin on atmo increases stamina on worlds with Earth normal conditions. (similar to training at high altitudes for athletes.)
Thank you
Final total pressure depends on the percentage of O2 in the air mix. NASA dropped the cabin pressure after the Apollo 1 fire.
Final total pressure depends on the percentage of O2 in the air mix. NASA dropped the cabin pressure after the Apollo 1 fire.
In the Apollo 1 fire the cabin was at 5psi overpressure with 100% 02.
To properly simulate the stress effects on the capsule.
At 19.7 PSI of O2 everything is very flammable.
So, a big, multi-side, showdown at Gibbs?
Now the 'Loonies will have two clans to shoot at...Do they have enough nukes for that?
Do they have enough nukes for that?
Do they have enough nukes for that?If not, break out the coffee cans and Great Aunt Annie's notebook...
If not, break out the coffee cans and Great Aunt Annie's notebook...Isn't that considered too extreme, even against Falcons?
1st Cutter Squadron
Patrol 1
LCS Duchess Elizabeth Ngo-Sampan Block 4/"Duchess" class light Corvette
LCS Bianh Vu Dao-Sampan Block III
LCS Nicole Minh-Sampan Block III
LCS Linda Sithers-Sampan Block III
Patrol 2
LCS Kelli Whyte Sampan Block III
LCS James Qua Sampan Block III
LCS Edward Vanh Sampan Block II
LCS Karriana Mohrs Sampan Block II
Patrol 3
LCS Ingrid Hoeven Sampan block II
LCS Nolan MacGuire Sampan Block II
LCS Iris Stevens-Deen Sampan Block II
LCS Kurt Myerley Sampan Block II
Squadrons 3 and 2 are set to begin hitting the Jade Falcons as soon as their emergence waves are confirmed. Squadron 1 is positioned in the outer system as a fast reaction force.
@Cannonshop Do you mean patrols here, or do the Lyrans actually have 3 full squadrons (36 cutters) avaiable in-system?
Thanks, but I think I'd have liked to have seen what would have happened with 3 squadrons!
I think you can extrapolate what's going to happenTrue, but it's less than a week to bonfire night in the UK and I'm in the mood for extra fireworks >:D
By luring the Jade Falcons into a concerted naval push (that, to be fair, Malvina probably already had in mind before Jesenice or the commerce raiding happened), the Lyrans have basically opened up the opportunity to strike across multiple angles at falcon-held territory without having to account for a Clan Jade Falcon naval touman showing up to ruin things at the last moment.Is this pretty much the entirety of the Falcons' warships then? I did notice they've borrowed two ships from the Hell's Horses.
Alaric's choice with Gibbs is, in a sense, a bid for naval supremacy and a thumb in the eye to Malvina's presumed intention of going for the ilClan. It's also a move to strengthen the legitimacy of his claim to the Archonship and bring the Lyrans 'on side' with his larger objectives, while also splitting them from the Republic politically in addition to physically and economically without having to waste the time to invade the Commonwealth world-by-world to assert his position.I had the impression that Trillian wasn't too keen on the Republic anyway, or am I remembering something from a previous iteration?
Sharon, is looking to hand the Mongols an unambiguous defeat and maybe tip the scales toward a Jade Falcon clan that is more in line with her Grandfather's stories of what they should be by delivering that defeat, and thus, damaging Malvina's influence as a legitimate leader.And incidentally weaken them in the event that Malvina holds on to power?
Sentiments are, shall we say, mixed. Kowloon's got a Falcon-derived minority that are patriotic and respected members of society, and is governed by a woman whose legal family tree leaves her at 1/4 Bloodhouse Roshak, she has enough of the right DNA to (using the Kell Precedent and the Diana Pryde precedent) challenge for a bloodname...Now that's a twist I hadn't though of! :o
jumpship and warship commanders who could not calculate a transitory jump point, engineering officers who couldn't balance the magnetics in a powerplant, and weapons officers who could not balance thermal output or explain procedures for manual targeting were relieved immediately.
One thing I do want to ask is about the "who could not calculate a transitory jump point". Under the rules, standard jump points can be calculated from tables, and don't need a computer (no mention of using a basic calculator is mentioned, but I assume that, given the proper tables, the math can be done on paper with a pencil without calculators).
What can't be done without a computer, though, is calculating a transitory jump point. Yes, I get that in Ngoverse, there are savants who suffer from TDS who apparently can do so, but that would be something that's essentially impossible under the rules, and isn't necessarily that vital a talent for a WarShip commander to have, so I'm curious as to whether Sharon Ngo is requiring her JumpShip and WarShip captains to essentially be superhuman or not.
If I'm reading this right, there are transitory points, and there are transitory points.
Calculating one amongst the moon system of a gas giant is probably impossible without a computer, but a simpler one like the one between the local star and one of its planets would probably have sufficed for the impromptu test.
comes down to knowing/understanding the equations. minus a magical computer that can invent its own mathematics and observations without human inputs, those navigation computers and tables had to be calculated by someone, by hand in order for the programs to be written in the first place.
if an officer can't do that, then his crew is at the mercy of a contractor who got the job on the lowest bidder. The idea is intended to reflect what we earthbound people would call 'basic seamanship in the age of sail'-the examples being extrapolated; if your captain can't plot a jump point without having the math handed to him from what is, essentially, a recording made centuries before he was born, he's not qualified to be Captain, in the same way that a 19th century navigator who can't read a clock or star chart and doesn't know where the pole star is isn't qualified to navigate or be the captain.
Being able to read observations of a solar system and calculate where the neutral points are isn't 'superhuman' it's 'basic astronomy in the 26th century'-the kind that might be taught to school children if they're particularly bright.
I mean, we're talking about ships that by necessity have hubble-level telescopes just as fitted equipment here, in a society that has access to practical laser weapons on the personal scale-the optics are cheap enough to make disposable weapons grade lasers (See: FM Draconis Combine).
If your ship captain doesn't know basic orbital mechanics and high school physics, he's not qualified to command a billion Kroner worth of jumpship, regardless of whether he cuts a rakish figure in his dress uniform and can name every Archon since the founding.
If I'm reading this right, there are transitory points, and there are transitory points.
Calculating one amongst the moon system of a gas giant is probably impossible without a computer, but a simpler one like the one between the local star and one of its planets would probably have sufficed for the impromptu test.
bingo. "If you can't calculate a point as well as a pirate navigator, you have no business in charge of a cruiser."
Quick, without a table, tell me the relative motion between Sol and Jupiter, and where their L1 Lagrange point is.
Now, tell me the same data for Gliese 581 and Gliese 581b.
Want something simpler? Cool: tell me the depth of all possible entry points into Navy Base Kitsap. Or Yokosuka.
Professionals still look these things up. They don't have them all memorized. There's a reason why in StratOps, on page 88, it says two key things:
- "Non-standard points cannot be calculated if a navigation computer is unavailable."
- "Transient points require detailed charts of the destination system."
Even for or standard points, you're still going to need to know the class of star and its magnitude. Sure, in theory, you could take measurements of the star itself, look at its spectral lines to figure out what class it is, and its surface temperature, and use that to guestimate your distance to it, and then plot a standard jump point using that.
It's also worth noting the amount of time required to make those jump calculations to standard points. With a jump computer, it's (2D6 - MoS) x 10 minutes, with the usual modifiers. Without a computer, it's (2D6 - MoS) hours. For a standard jump point.
A transient jump point in another star system, though, without a computer, without charts, without weeks, or even years of observational data? It beggars disbelief.
I disagree. Optics are optics, and the telescopes being carried by JumpShips and even WarShips are simply not good enough to be able to gather that kind of data within a short enough window to make it reasonable, even in the 26th Century. That's not the kind of observations you make for a couple hours. That's beyond simply days. That's weeks, months, or even years of observational data of star systems light years away, painstakingly run through algorithms to try to compare those observations and be able to accurately plot the course of planet-sized objects.
And Hubble-level telescopes still make multiple observations, over the course of days, weeks or years to gather data up.
Cannonshop, I know basic orbital mechanics, and college physics, and have made astronomical observations as an amateur, and years of calculus. Given a better understanding of what's required, or even just memorizing the table on page 86 of Strat Ops, I could probably figure out the proximity distance and make the calculations for a standard jump point. No argument here that a JumpShip captain should be able to do that.
Trying to calculate out a transitory jump point around Gliese 581b, when we can't even determine whether it has any natural satellites? I do not believe it to be possible, and the rules back that up.
I mean, it's fine, it's your story, and if you want to state that Battletech optics are good enough to pick up a 30-kilometer diameter rock from a distance of 30 light years and know where that rock's gonna be at any given time after looking at it for a week from 30 light-years away aboard a 200-year-old JumpShip, that's fine. If you then say the mathematical ability to make the necessary calculations for that jump can be done on the back of a napkin in less than a week is high-school level math in the 32nd Century, that's fine too. I'm saying that it goes well beyond what's actually supported in the canon and, for me, it stretches my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.
Which would almost be fine, if they're stationed in that system, because those are all known. I mean, it's still blatantly prohibited by the rules, but it's still an order of magnitude less than doing it for a star system you're not in.
Fun fact: in canon, pirate navigators use computers and detailed navigational charts/data to calculate pirate points, just like everyone else.[/list]
Fifteen months? Did no one think to check Kowloon for that long?
And if not, dang. At least Agamemnon knew where to find Achilles's tent.
I was assuming it was Sharon right up until the saturation rockfall began, but now yes I think it sounds like Malvina trying to practice for hitting KowloonI thought it was the Lyrans or wolves trying out Sharon's suggestions.. right up till the saturation rockfalls.
@Cannonshop what is your version of a kinetic kill projectile - inert & accelerated by it's launching vehicle, or having it's own thruster to get it up to speed? What's the procedure for launching them? Since Ia Drang has seen the arrival, could they in theory see the projectiles launch and transmit vectors that might allow another unit to intercept?
The Ia Drang's fighters are escorting the Ia Drang's missiles in?
I hadn't realised ASF could enage cap-missilesit requires careful maneuver to stay in the same hex, iirc.
And I bet the loonies vote to go alone.For a given value of "alone": they have off-the-books friends
For a given value of "alone": they have off-the-books friendsYes, of course. By alone I want to say - not aligned with any Archon.
If the 'Loonies vote to secede will Trillian let them go? Will Alaric? Can either of them prevent it?Let them go, expecting that they'll "come crawling back", only to get whiplash from the double-take when they not only survive, but thrive independently.
I'm assuming that Ngo Industries will honour all existing contracts regardless.
How many hulls and how much construction capacity do they have now?
If it's being talked about for weeks the word will reach Trillian (and Alaric?) before a decision is made. I wonder if either will have time to send speakers or intervene in person?presumably their representatives would be given a chance to speak in the deliberations prior to the official vote. publicly. on system wide holovid. with the officers of the court making it perfectly clear that they are there to speak on the Commonwealth's and Empire's behalf, not to make threats.
More to the point, how many hulls do the spares actually exist to keep running, and how many crews that are competent to operate said hulls, for both sides.Well yeah, but I got the sense the problem was worst at the Commonwealth run yard at Gibbs.
Sharon, before she pulled her Achilles in the Tent? Was tracking Naval Grade equipment leaving LCN depots and reappearing on the arms market. That new Mjolinir ordered, and another, LCS Wotan, under going repair/refit after battle at Gibbs? How many of their parts are actually in the storage depots, and how many are listed as there, but in reality sold off and the money pocketed by the people who embezzled that equipment?
Well yeah, but I got the sense the problem was worst at the Commonwealth run yard at Gibbs.
Kowloon due to its culture has much more less tolerance for the endemic corruption and are unlikely to let it prosper.
The closest the votes have gotten in previous instances, were the 48% secession vote after Katrina (Victor's Grandmother) took the throne from her father and released political prisoners,Katrina took power from her uncle Alessandro Steiner. Her father, Alexander Weldon, never held political power that I'm aware of.
Katrina took power from her uncle Alessandro Steiner. Her father, Alexander Weldon, never held political power that I'm aware of.