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Title: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 24 October 2020, 20:58:01
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Kowloon...

"They've lost control."  Duchess Sharon Ngo sighed.  "The Steiners have lost control, and they're losing."

"What's that do for us?"  Commander Dao Trak Cu'ong asked.  "If the nation is falling, what happens?"

"Well, it means you'd better look good in lime green, for one thing." Sharon said, "For that matter, so had I, because the alternative is becoming a sock-puppet for pirates."

'Your grandmother would be shocked at that statement."

"My grandmother died at thirty one and never knew me." Sharon stated.  "Mom was too busy trying to keep us from being punished for what Grandmother did for the nation.  we are screwed."

"What can we do?"

Sharon looked out from the deck overlooking the Little Yangtze valley, two kilometers down the sheer cliff of the Ia Drang plateau, and a thousand kliks from her nominal planetary capital.

"We make guns." she said, "We make guns, and we make weapons, and we pray they don't come for us before we have enough of either." she turned to her planetary militia's commander.

Kowloon's militia was built around a naval force.   "Everything your predecessors modeled, I want in place as soon as possible, we must pray the Clanners focus on their 'ilclan' competition, and that we don't look too tempting a target for the neo-Rimjobs.  We're on our own again."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: JA Baker on 24 October 2020, 21:14:49
Kowloon... Kowloon never changes...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 24 October 2020, 21:18:16
So, Green are the Falcons, Blue Lyrans, Grey Wolves in Exile, Purple Mariks?  Pale Blue the Ghost Bear Dominion, who is the Dark Orange coming up into the Commonwealth from below?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: worktroll on 24 October 2020, 21:25:54
Wolves.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 24 October 2020, 21:53:22
Repair yard, Boojum orbit, Kowloon system...

Decades spent barely operating.  The Disarmament laws meant a lot of the equipment had been moved from here, to Gibbs as the Commonwealth centralized production, leaving only the things too outdated, or too obsolete, to move.

"What's going on?"  Arlen Silverberg-71 asked.

"We're going to break so many laws."  the Duchess was visiting, "Arlen, how many of the coops still have their own processing?"

"I'm not at liberty to-"

"Stop. listen to me carefully, one jump away, is a Clan that has lost their ****** minds, in one direction, in another, is a Bandit EMPIRE based in former Rim Worlds space that has been kicking the dogsnot out of the collapsing, under trained, under funded, incompetently led and demoralized Lyran Commonwealth military.  This means we're going to be breaking a whole bunch of laws, I want to know how many laws we can actually violate, to prevent our system from either being overrun by emerald psychopaths, or slave-taking lunatics, because the central government isn't going to help us-they aren't, because They can't."

"We really are on our own?"

she nodded.  "Yes.  we're ******, and nobody is coming to save us.  we have to save ourselves."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 24 October 2020, 22:23:07
So, how much equipment officially reported "Lost" or "Broken" is suddenly going to be "Found" or "Repaired"? O:-)
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 24 October 2020, 22:48:55
Spider Moon Complex, Boojum 3, Kowloon system...

Her Mother's infatuation with undoing everything Elizabeth Ngo accomplished led to the upper levels being stripped of equipment, but the catacombs below had been walled off with quickset Ferrocrete.

This took not any time at all to drill past.

Sharon walked corridors lined with names, the vestige of a national identity that had been dedicatedly buried by a previous administration.

"How long to restore it?" she asked.

Commander Cu'ong's face wasn't quite visible in his helmet.  "A few weeks-we were lucky, the wall around the entry was blank before.  Why restore this now, though?"

"People will need something to rally around." she said, "something to remind them we have a heritage, an identity." 

They turned a corner and her helmet lights picked up another door.  This one, welded shut, but it still had the triple insignias of the 171st, Coast Guard, and 90th Heavy Assault.

"Something like this." she stated.

"Something I never understood-why was your mother so obsessed with burying Kowloon's history?" he asked.

"Because, Commander, it was in her nature." Sharon stated,  "Mother wanted desperately to be seen by High Society as worthy of their company,  and my father encouraged this heavily.  to be fully 'accepted' in court." her tone dripped with scorn, "To be considered 'worthy' of higher society, it was very much who she was."

"but not you."

she paused, "No. not me."

"How did they really die?" he asked quietly.

"It's in the police reports." she stated, "An accident on the way home from Tharkad, they were the only casualties."

"That report is so full of holes that-"

"It hardly bears examining." she stated coldly.  "But you may consider that a consequence of letting a nanny raise your child, is that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the future of the world, and Mother was ever more interested in attending parties off-world, than spending time with her daughter.  I cried harder when Alicia Li passed, and have no interest in digging into what may, or may not, have been the reasons my parents were the only people killed when a commercial liner's hull ruptured, beyond removing the one force that would leave us totally unable to resist what is coming.  If only Uncle Patrick had chosen to come home, instead of leaving with The Folk for the great beyond, maybe I would care more.  He chose a Spacer bride over his birthright."

"What if he comes back?"

"I will gladly step aside for him." she said, "He would know how vital it is that we see to our own defense...but he isn't coming back, and as we sit now, I'm rather envious of him for that.  Have the section sealed off, pumped with neutral gasses, and free that door.  we need the archives now more than ever."

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Adventwolf on 24 October 2020, 23:04:34
When exactly is this taking place? Since the Rim Territories haven't moved into the next 4 systems yet it has to be before 3148 but how many years before.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 02:59:14
March...

"...we don't have the long range communications, General, but I'm fairly certain that given the Militia Act of 3089 and the Republic Treaties, Kowloon has already met the national requirements-with the sum total result that Forty three thousand of my people are dead on Free Worlds League soil or in stupid interventions along the Republic border, or as disposable bodies thrown under the treads of the Jade Falcon war machine.  That means I've met the nation's legal requirement on both Ban and Arrieire Ban contributions, with nothing to show for it besides filled graveyards and empty caskets."

General Ivan LaRue was taken aback.  "Duchess, the realm is in danger!"

"No shit.  We're no longer 'in danger', the Realm has been broken, defeated. It's in collapse you imbecile. I'm not going to throw more of my people into the furnace unprepared because someone from Tharkad can't figure out what the ****** they're doing.  Ask Tommy Hogarth for forces, I have none to spare."  She tapped her walking stick on the floor, emphasizing her points.  "In the middle of a Clan invasion, Brewer and Melissa decided now was the time for a coup and a civil war.  I don't really know Trillian, I'm not my mother spending all her time on Tharkad eating fetes and selling off everything we had while pretending we weren't being constantly raided by Pirates across the entire Periphery of the Commonwealth!"

"Your grandmother-"

"Don't you bring her up, your family had a lot to do with un-doing what Elizabeth Ngo did for Kowloon and the Commonwealth!  If Tamari ****** LaRue had been loyal we would have forces to spare! she wasn't, and your archons and your Estates General forced us to disarm because of that bitch's perfidy and rebellion.  Mass punishment for our people, because you proper nobles couldn't keep an eye on your own!!"

"That talk is perilously close to rebellion." he said.

"So call your archon." she sneered, "meanwhile, I have work to do here, because blind obedience got us into this mess.  When you call her, tell her 'not today, but maybe in six months'.  I have a military industrial complex to rebuild and no help doing it and I need every one of my veterans to stay here in order to train the replacements her predecessor threw in the ****** furnace!"

He stiffened.  "That's not 'no' I hear."

"It's 'not today'." she restated.  "I have to manage what Grandma Elizabeth did, with less time, less support, and less funding, but be certain-not today does not mean not at all.  If there is still a Commonwealth in six months, I may have something to contribute again, but when I do, I will not accept placing my men and women under the command of a general whose medals are for shiny shoes and neat paperwork, dancing competitions, or Solaris championships!"

"We need the forces." he said, "Desperately."

"Should have thought of that before your government outlawed mine, then." she glared.  "I'm breaking the law but it won't be ready before six months time."

"What happens in six months, why is that the magic number?" he pressed.

"Because that's how long it will take to get them through training." she told him coldly, "It's a fixed mechanical limit.  I could use MORE time, but that's the time we need, assuming we don't get attacked before then. In six months I can give the Nation a green regiment, lightly equipped, barely trained, but functional.  I need two to four years before I can raise the kind of force Grandmother started with, and the kind of forces my mother surrendered? will take a damned decade."


Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 25 October 2020, 03:35:26
knowing Kowloon, i suspect she'll have more resources to work with for "Plan Liz", but she just won't know it until the right people decide to supply it. I can't imagine that the populace of Kowloon much less its military and industrial organizations would let all of Liz Ngo's efforts be razed completely without trying to preserve and hide away what bits of it they could.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Rodon on 25 October 2020, 04:05:30
"What happens in six months, why is that the magic number?" he pressed.

Well, he just outed himself as a social general.  Since he doesn't know how long it takes to raise a new regiment from near scratch.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Dave Talley on 25 October 2020, 04:34:25
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Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 05:05:53
July...

"...second yard over Snark is activated."  Silverman's reports were clear, concise, and written in Viet-Hebrew pidgin, using indirect terms for codes.

Sharon knew what it meant though-the half-dozen Cutters that had managed to avoid being scrapped were being 'freshened', the Rockjack community had come through once again, this time with enough veteran crew to man the ships.

sort-of veteran, at least.  Navigators and able spacemen to crew the core of Kowloon's fleet.

She signed off on requisition forms that had nothing but indirect stock numbers and blank text.  The requisitions would be filled by Cu'ong's people. 

Turning to the Ground forces, well...

It had proven harder to conceal ground assets, but not impossible.  The repair and refit reports showed the Minsky's Folly cache, Giap Island, Hong Island, and Tom Dooleyland caches were still intact, the machinery stored at those sites was in decent repair and would be combat ready in a few more weeks.  Some of it was hopelessly dated by front-line standards nationally, but even dated designs could be used effectively with sufficient ammunition and properly trained and led crew.

Most of the gear were based on Jihad-era refits of the Patton design-Kowloon's local version retaining the fusion engine and cannon main armament, though the APC derivative used surplus, Succession-Wars era PPC's in the main gun role.

Elizabeth had 'miscounted' nearly three regiments put to stockpile-a short Division's worth.  The difficulty here would be crewmen for the vehicles and soldiers.  Fifty years of restrictions meant a smaller percentage of veterans to serve in the ground arm, and aside from the tracks and the Fennec wheeled scouts, most of the rest of the forces were going to be going to war in machines designed in the 29th century.

It couldn't be helped, just as it couldn't be helped that there was a shortage of men trained to use Battlesuits, and a shortage of modern battlearmored suits to put them in-both had been requisitioned away after the war was over, and then production had been stripped and moved to Gibbs to centralize production and 'honor' the disarmament treaties.

Treaties that Sharon was now intent on single-handedly violating like a drunken prom date in the Oyster Street of New Saigon.

It would take time.  Time that was still short. Time that was running out.

Kowloon's chronic shortage of 'mechwarriors and battlemechs had let her slip under the radar for the first ten years of her time as Duchess, and she'd managed to sneak enough through training and their five year service period to have a full Battalion, just as she'd managed to hide possession of a battalion of 'mechs from LCAF inspectors.  Three types were in stock and she had them in decent quantities-though she lacked men to fill the seats.

Enfield, Blackhawk-KU, and Longbow.  Not the most advanced configuration for any of them, but she had them, and she had people who could USE them...and spare parts to keep them going while the production lines were spun up.

Best of all, like with the tanks, the central government didn't know how many she had, because they were produced as spare parts on duplicate tooling decades ago.  Sharon signed the conscription order for ground forces, and moved on.

Aviation.

SB-27s were still in stock, in quantity.  The SL-19KS Slayer models were also on deck, being an 'export' version built under an expired license,  it hadn't been hard to modify the existing production to generate an 'executive small craft' stripped of armament and featuring accomodation for several people in the hulls, so the production line at Ia Drang had not been completely idled, and best of all, because it was officially a 'civilian' craft, the lines could be retooled in a matter of days (and were) to produce the Jihad-era combat aerospace fighter version, which removed the civilian cabin and re-filled it with an LBX-10 autocannon, four Medium Lasers, an ECM system, TAG, and an XL engine, while replacing the 'civilian grade re-entry shielding' with proper Ferro-Aluminium armoring.

Flight training would also be one of the few non-issues relative to the rest.  Between Rockjack Pilots coming to the colors and the broad general aviation usage in Ia Drang and the Khe Sanh regions, she could actually put enough asses in training seats or active roles to have a working Aerospace arm.

"Bright sides, bright sides.." she muttered.  The Commonwealth had better fighters already in-hand, so there hadn't been nearly the attrition-through-requisition that the armored vehicles and suit units had taken.

"Time...give me time..."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: worktroll on 25 October 2020, 05:19:19
You can ask me for anything you like, except time”. ― Napoléon Bonaparte.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 07:07:27
Jessenice, planning room for the 3rd Falcon Swoop cluster...

"...had industrial capacity that can benefit the Ordun, and a small pocket of former Jade Falcon personnel previously abjured during the outbreaks in the late 3060s."  Star Captain Sindra Hazen paused.  "It would be a good acquisition."

"They also have a history of fighting back, to suicidal levels.  the sum total of what can be won there is a charred, radioactive rock orbiting two suns-because you KNOW what they will do, there is history there!"  Star Captain Gordon Pryde argued.

"They have been disarmed between then, and now." she countered.

"Have they really?" Star Colonel Lionel Mattlov was openly doubtful.  "We know them, quiaff? Fanatic peasants with few weapons they might be, but the key term here, is Fanatic, if Two centuries under the Rim Worlds, and Three under the Lyrans did not blunt that edge, this could turn into an expensive exercise in failure to exterminate and half-finished genocide, with no positive outcomes."

"Eventually, they must be forced to submit. It may be better to strike while they are still stunned and recovering, as opposed to after they have returned to their old ways." Sindra Hazen noted.

"We need to know more."  Phaedra Roshak, the commander of the recon forces, spoke up.  "We need to know a lot more, their numbers, their readiness, their defenses...their weaknesses."

The Star Colonel looked at his most junior Trinary commander, "What do you propose?"

"A raid." she said, "A good, old fashioned raid, to evaluate what a conquest would require...and I would like to see if the grandchild of Nathan Roshak is...worthy, before committing."

"Bloodline politics, Phaedra? Really?" Sindra teased.

"Roshak's unit was not abjured for any crime, but to keep the Touman safe from the outbreak." Phaedra noted, "He was an ardent crusader and reputation says he remained so even after marrying the defective harridan.  If they did not deviate too far from Clan ways, the Hue Garrison could be an asset to collect, and it would be...satisfying to bring them back into the fold, since the cure for 21b has been widely disseminated and it no longer poses a threat.  at the very least, making an effort to reclaim those lines would be preferable to letting them remain fallow and allowing them to be polluted by further interbreeding with lesser men."

"The better question is if the Chinngiz will authorize it..." Gordon observed, "She might not want us to commit forces so far from the planned line of advance."

"I will find out." the Star Colonel agreed.  "In the meantime, draft your ideal plan for a raiding force, and your logistical and strategic plans for a proper invasion, what we need, how much, and how we are to deliver it."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 07:41:21
Kowloon...

Sharon grasped the upper bar and ground her toes into the footpads, and then, she began the push-pull and stepping-steps on the exercise machine. 

Sharon Ngo is not a beautiful woman.  Her face is creased with a permanent 'weightlifter's grimace', her neck is thick, corded with muscle, as are nearly every other part of her body, the result of an 'exercise habit' developed in childhood.  the machine is designed to give resistance both on the pull, and the push, working both muscle groups equally with each repetition. Normally, this type of machine is used shipboard on spacecraft to keep the crew in condition when spin gravity or thrust gravity are unavailable, but it fits in her office without obstructing much, so she brought one down as soon as word of her mother's death reached Kowloon in 3132.

She used vigorous exercises, martial arts, and even dance to help focus her thinking, running through the issues she needed to make calls on while beating her body into exhaustion.  Economics, finance, justice issues, whatever it might be.

It was a means to cope with stress for a relatively young woman who felt no presence of prospects nor desire for romance, just a burning need for release, that she refused to use narcotics to feed.

Narcotics, after all, were why her older sister Caroline was not in this office, but instead ashes in a jar in the family crypt, victim of an overdose that was the reason for her mother's decision to return to Kowloon on that fateful, lethal, trip.

"Increase resistance to two gravities, add twenty earth kilos." she ordered the machine mid lift.

Sharon knew the rumours-an older sister dead, and then both parents, leaving her to the company of retainers and an emotionally distant Grandfather in Hue.

The last time she cried, was at his funeral six  years ago, leaving only herself, and a few loyal officers behind.

The distraction was becoming irritating, she slowed her breathing and focused on burying the memory again, bringing up manpower statistics and her own projections of what would be needed to guarantee Kowloon's de-facto independence in the face of a rising power to anti-spinward, and a resurgently aggressive Clan presence to spinward.

The door chimes sounded a second time.  "Come!"

The door opened and a large man stepped through it.  ColonelBrigadier General of Reserves Charles Icaza looked a little uncomfortable in his uniform-his reserve activation status had caught no-one by surprise, but his sudden promotion to command of all Kowloonese Ground Forces had caught HIM by surprise, right along with the promotion to Brigadier.

"Well, Chuck?" she kept pumping, "What's news?"

"We have begun de-caching the equipment from Beta Galaxy." he began, "I have six Sibkos from the Hue County to report as passing initial exams, the deficiency in 'mechwarrior personnel is...momentarily solved."

"Good news then." she said.

"Do you really believe the Jade Falcons will come for Kowloon?" he asked.

"It's us or Inarcs." she stated, "And they have to know we're more isolated from reinforcement, it's the safe bet, either Malvina's madmen will hit us, or we'll be dealing with Jaina Morrison's Rim Territories slaver units."

"Not immediately?" he asked.

"Not right away, no." she said, "Soon though.  The Commonwealth's falling apart, Chuck, the jackals are circling on the corpse, we need to be ready when they think we're going to be easy pickings."

"you don't have any faith in the New Archon?"

"None. Zero, zip, nada not a bit." she shook her head.  "Trillian is a Steiner Davion, and that family's track record is civil wars and nation breaking-their own, going back to Victor and Katherine, she was raised on  Tharkad, at best that means she's inured to the social general scene, at worst, she's the leader of the gang that can't shoot straight. Either way, there's no way they can afford to send significant forces this way if...no, when the vultures and the jackals come to pick at the Commonwealth's rotting corpse."  she finished her fiftieth rep, and stepped out of the machine.

The Elemental-breed Brigadier handed her a towel, which she used to wipe away the sweat.  "I can't work out any better scenario right now than that, not without doing what we're doing faster than we can do it."

"you could always try choosing which side to fall to before the choice is made for you." he told her.

"Screw that, Chuck, you'd shoot me if I tried." she accepted a bottle of water from his hand.

"I probably would." he nodded.  "Dinner tonight?" he asked.

"You have a place in mind?" she asked.

"Mama Giri's on Lanterns." he said.

"Dinner, conversation that isn't work, and then frisky times?" she asked.

"I would like that to be the outcome, yes." he said.

"Mmmm... yeah. We'll do that...besides, I want to dress 'girly' tonight, and you're a big enough side of beef that it won't feel awkward."

He laughed.  "It is a date!"

"Pick me up at nineteen hundred, and not a dot later." she told him.



Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Sharpnel on 25 October 2020, 08:14:44
Activity on Kowloon detected. Intensify Overwatch protocols.

One question though. Why would the Falcons go after Kowloon? It's not on the path to Terra, which was their focus in the canon timeline. They bypassed any number of worlds on their trek to Terra. Heck likely  should have bypassed Tharkad, if not for its symbolic value as Lyran Capital World.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 25 October 2020, 08:48:07
"Dinner, conversation that isn't work, and then frisky times?"
LOL - so many times...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Artifex on 25 October 2020, 09:39:25
Yes, this is I speaking. ... What do you mean?! ... You can't be serious?! ... Oh, seven 'ells, there's stuff going on over there?! ... *panic rises* No, no, no! You cannot be real, Kowloon was defanged! Why are they changing that now?! ... Oh, I see, well that's a right, proper reason indeed. Keep me informed! *signal clicks, the call goes off*
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 25 October 2020, 09:40:15
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Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 25 October 2020, 09:42:35
Activity on Kowloon detected. Intensify Overwatch protocols.

One question though. Why would the Falcons go after Kowloon? It's not on the path to Terra, which was their focus in the canon timeline. They bypassed any number of worlds on their trek to Terra. Heck likely  should have bypassed Tharkad, if not for its symbolic value as Lyran Capital World.

Its a major supplier of industrial tooling in Cannonshop's verse.  They don't make mechs right away, but the tools to make mechs.  For a military on the end of a year long supply chain, if we are talking Revival and the 3050s march to Terra?  It is an attractive and apparently low risk place to snatch to set up some local production to ease the logistics burden.  And even after Terra isn't the goal, this hinders the Commonwealth's ability to replace losses by reducing their ability to expand and maintain their mech, tank, and aerospace production lines.

Well if you ignore the local population's long and proud history of slitting throats of their occupiers when they peak down dark alleys.

Here?  They hope the Falcons left behind haven't gone fully native, and reclaiming the blood lines lost to the Alura Flu is a reason.  Plus this seems less a drive to Terra and more stage 2 perhaps without Terra, conquering the rest of the Sphere for a New Clan Star League.  Thus Kowloon would be sooner or later on the list, and as Hazen points out, better sooner than to give them time to drag their hidden weapons out, shake off the training rust, and really dig in.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Dave Talley on 25 October 2020, 11:15:01
plus if they actually win, they will have done something nobody else has,
especially if they win over the populace
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: mikecj on 25 October 2020, 13:23:08
A raid?  well that's one way to have a training exercise.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: cklammer on 25 October 2020, 13:50:56
Let's go and tear up something said the frog as it jumped into the ventilator ...  ;D
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: idea weenie on 25 October 2020, 16:11:20
Yet the Jade Falcons think the first reaction is to perform an actual raid.  They could get the same effect by coming in as rivals, but not enemies.  Have a training match against the local forces, with a few cases of fine wine as the bet.  Have Warriors from both sides go over the results, critiquing both groups.

This training match would let the Jade Falcons have a better idea of what to expect, allow them to reconnect with their distant bloodlines, and make it seem that they are not so bad.  Bonus points (or pints) if the Morrison crew decide to pop in while this is going on, and the Jade Falcons make a wager about whoever can grab the Morrison slaver Dropship first.

This would also encourage Kowloon into thinking they would be better off as part of Jade Falcon than part of the Commonwealth.  All they have to do is keep working, pay taxes, have a decent defense force (that is ineligible for Bloodnames), and know that their bosses are willing to put their lives on the line to protect others.  If they choose to join the Jade Falcon clan they are free to do so, and the easy way to learn Clan habits is by living in the Hue City enclave.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 20:55:36
Overview: Kowloon Status of Forces 3145 (October) 171st Kowloon Brigade

Ground Force Militia formations active:

171st Volunteer Brigade Kowloon -CO Brigadier Charles Icaza
HHC 171st-mixed assets.

1st Hue Province , "The Falcons of Hue" (Regular/Reliable, Cluster formation)

CO: Mai Phen Mattlov

on the whole, the 171st is short of battlemech assets, with the majority of 'mechs assigned to the Hue Cluster, where the most common design is the Blackhawk-KU, with the remainder being left-over and carefully maintained Clan machines dating back to the 3060s or even earlier.  The current CO of the Hue Cluster pilots a Summoner.  The Hue Cluster's various trinaries are configured as Novas, with 5 elementals assigned to each Battlemech.  The 'Secure' Trinary is equipped with the heaviest remnant machines, while Sweep Trinary and Strike Trinary range with lighter machines in the Sweep, and mid-range heavies in Strike.  The artillery component for the Hue Cluster is tube artillery focused, using tracked 'Patton' derived artillery tracks.  The majority of Hue Cluster's personnel were decanted from Iron Wombs and constitute effectively a small concentration of Trueborn warriors, mostly from Roshak, Pershaw, Icaza, Mattlov and Von Jankmon bloodlines.  Unit Crest is the Kowloon planetary flag with a Jade Falcon superimposed.

The current CO of the Hue Cluster is Major (Star Captain) Phen Mattlov

2nd Battalion-Pride of Ia Drang


3rd Battalion-New Saigon

4th Battalion-Golden Lake District/Memories of Dinh Diep

22nd Wing Aerospace, Kowloon Coast Guard

(Note on designations: VF= Fighter, Air Superiority/multimission, VFA= Fighter, Ground Attack and precision bombing)

The 171st Kowloon Volunteers has a history dating back to the 2760's.  Disbanded numerous times over the last 300 years, this most recent incarnation incorporates a clan-style 'Cluster' as one of the Battalions.  Clan influences can be found in the over-all organizational layout, including the usage of 5 man fireteams, 25 man infantry companies, and so on.  Elements retained from prior incarnations include the integration of artillery batteries at the battalion level, the integration of service and support companies at battalion level, and the offloading of most Aerospace support assets to the Coast Guard.  (The Hue Cluster retains its own Aerospace fighter contingent, armed with Visigoth Aerospace fighters.)

Profile: Brigadier (Colonel) Charles Icaza

Charles Icaza is one of the few 'school trained' officers available to Kowloon, with prior service assignments with the LCAF beginning in the 3120s.  He is notable for his physically imposing size and a keen strategic mind.  a 'Trueborn' in the sense of having been the product of Iron Womb technologies and creche' raising in the former Jade Falcon enclave of Hue, Icaza did his five in the LCAF and went home with a reserve commission, which translated into a fairly decent period of service in Kowloon's ground forces militia, where he rose from the rank of Hauptmann (Captain) to the rank of Colonel-of-Reserves before the events of 3143.  Brigadier Icaza is known to have a close personal relationship with Duchess Sharon Ngo, and the two of them have dated off-and-on for several years. 

As an officer, he is considered to be remarkably calm under pressure and focused, and his staff work was rated by LCAF as 'exceptional'.  While an Elemental breed, Icaza is qualified on multiple Battlearmor types including Fenrir, Rottweiler, Clan Elemental, Inner Sphere Standard, and Gray Death Medium, but he also holds qualification as a Battlemech pilot and has a certified flight qualification on six airframes including VTOL, Conventional (Propellor), Conventional (Jet and Twin Jet) and Aerospace Shuttle.  His current 'ride' is a desk, but he maintains proficiency with the Blackhawk-KU, Summoner and Kit Fox as well as the Enfield, as well as maintained proficiency as a Tank Commander.  (this is his idea of being 'well rounded').

On the tactical level, Icaza favors maneuver warfare and deception operations over open field direct engagements, and favors combined arms operations over single-type specialization or duelling (though he is proficient at duelling type engagements).

Quote: "If the fight is fair, we did something wrong."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 25 October 2020, 21:02:07
Quote: "If the fight is fair, we did something wrong."
Yep, he's definitely a 'loonie.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 21:20:07
Profile: Duchess Sharon Ngo

Born: July 22nd, 3110.
Family: Elizabeth Ngo (Deceased, Grandmother), Nathan Roshak (Deceased, Grandfather), Amanda Ngo (Deceased, Mother), Gerald von Kaufenberg (Deceased, Father), Caroline (Deceased, Older Sister), Patrick (Uncle, whereabouts unknown).

Gender: Female
Ethnicity: Mixed European/Asian

build: Weightlifter.

MOS: Wet-Naval/Space-Naval officer. (Dual certification)

Education: Coventry Military Academy (2 years), Coast Guard Training Center Giap Island (3 years), Coast Guard Spider Moon (2 years)

Qualifications:
Jumpship Navigation
Dropship Helmsman
Submersible vessel Navigation
Damage Control Crewman/Maritme
Damage control crewman/Space
Armored Infantry
Light Infantry
Jump Qualified.

5 year tour in LCAF suspended/Deferment.

Duchess Sharon Ngo is the second daughter of her parents, whose first child died in 3105 after overdosing on heroin.  as the second child and second attempt to produce a viable heir, she spent the majority of her childhood with nannies and tutors, with much of the rest spent at residential schools with only token visits with her biological parents.

As Duchess: Sharon Ngo's focus upon achieving her current role, has been entirely local to Kowloon, with a notable disdain for the politics of the rest of the Commonwealth.  Her term as Duchess has seen a push to return to 'the old ways' on Kowloon, including open support for re-militarization and industrial development, the decision to 'ignore' laws passed by the Estates General that impede this, and an emphasis on local self-reliance in terms of industry and economic development.

Lohengrin rates Sharon Ngo as "Unreliable", which is one step up from 'Disloyal'.

Duchess Ngo is known to be in an off-and-on relationship with a subordinate, Colonel (brigadier) Charles Icaza of Hue.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 22:46:11
Spider Moon Coast Guard base, September,, 3145...

"Well, looks like we have two claimants for the Archonship."  Sharon noted, looking at the news and information delivered with the latest transport to enter the system.

"Two?" Commodore Cu'ong asked.

"Two.  Alaric Ward, Clan Wolf's new Khan, has tossed his hat in the ring, wants the job, claims birthright by  blood."  Sharon's lip twisted snarkily, "Katherine's get.  I'd almost call that an automatic disqualifier right there."


"Didn't she-"

"Plunge the realm into civil war and move to New Avalon before joining the Wolves? yeah, she did...unfortunately, Alaric has a competent military backing him." Sharon sighed, "you know what this means, though right?"

"Um...no?"

"We're not paying taxes this year." Sharon said savagely.  "Alaric has Tharkad, Trillian doesn't have a working government OR military, but she's got the legitimacy claim on her side.  means there's gonna be a civil war, but until there is, there are two claimants to the throne and I don't like either one."

"you don't even KNOW either one."

"Point." Sharon put the dispatches down, "How's progress on the yard?"

"We've got four cutters up to operational spec."

"We need a lot more."

"I'm aware, but we've got four out of mothballs and running with crews available-if you want more than four, you'll need to wait."

"put the four we've got running on picket." Sharon ordered, "send them through workups based on Li's manual, get the gunner's mates certified and that includes the special weapons sections."

"you think nukes are going to come out?"

"I think if anyone has them, I want that anyone to be us." Sharon stated.  "There is no such thing as overkill, only open fire, and I need to reload.  unless or until there's a functioning national government? we're on our own out here."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 25 October 2020, 22:56:30
Jesenice

The information on Kowloon's leadership was not hard to obtain, but it was remarkable for being so shallow-even by Clan Watch standards.  Militarily, Kowloon looked weakened by two successive Archons, first Andrew Steiner ordering the centralization of Naval-quality shipyard equipment at Gibbs, and then successive 'draws' on the planet's militia resources, and finally, re-ratification and enforcement of disarmament treaties applied after the cure for the Arluna Plague was released in 3108.

The Raid idea had been rejected by the Chinggiz, Malvina did not want to bog down the Ordun in a war so far from the Terran Corridor, but she did authorize surveillance assets to monitor the area and she authorized preparations and planning to begin for a conquest to widen the entire Lyran Front, as a reaction to that nation's decline and potential available resources.

after all, it would not do to be fully engaged on the Terran front, only to be attacked from a Lyran flank.

Lionel Mattlov, therefore, had imagery taken by stealthy means.

"They are rebuilding their little fleet."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 25 October 2020, 23:51:55
wow, Cannonshop even manages to make the Jade Mongols reasonably smart. pretty sure the official versions from the canon would have been all "full steam ahead" on a raid, and probably slammed half a dozen dropships into cities as an opener, or something.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: nerd on 26 October 2020, 12:30:33
And if they start throwing nukes in space, the Jade Falcons cannot make planetfall.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Dave Talley on 26 October 2020, 13:38:39
there wont be any falcons to make planetfall
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 26 October 2020, 15:08:06
Command Centre, LCAF, many light years away...

"She's re-militarizing? good!" Trillian Steiner-Davion, the Archon of the Lyran Commonwealth...well, one of them, anyway, snapped.

"Mein Archon, you didn't see her, you didn't hear her, and you aren't listening!"  Ivan LaRue argued, "She's not doing this for you-she believes the Commonwealth to be ungovernable, the nation to have already fallen!!"

"That's not what I hear when I listen to your recording, Ivan." Trillian said, "What I hear, is an echo of another Ngo, from my grandfather's time...but, you may be correct."  she placed the headphones on the desk, "It may be time for the mountain to come to mohammed.  She rebuffed you, she will not rebuff me."

"You can't be certain of that!"

Trillian straightened.  "I can be, and I am." she stated.  "Whatever else you may say about her or her family, be it that they are ruthless, social-climbing, vicious, law-defying, rules-bending, cruel, or psychotic, that family has one guiding fact behind them-loyalty is their foremost virtue."

"This is not the past, Archon!!" he argued.

"We will see." she stated, "We will see."  she folded a pair of gloves and slid them into her pistol belt, "I will visit Kowloon, and see for myself."

"It is not safe!"

"If I can not travel in my own realm in safety, surrounded by my own soldiers, we have already lost." Trillian announced, "Therefore, I can, I will, and it will be entirely in safety.  I dare Malvina to take a shot at me.  I will visit a Vassal, and in so doing, remind her of her duties, while rewarding her foresight in carrying them out...or...I will remove the problem." she smiled a winning smile, "but I expect to more likely reward her for her initiative-a trait sorely lacking in the Commonwealth's forces these days."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: mikecj on 26 October 2020, 15:12:05
Trillian has style...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: idea weenie on 26 October 2020, 16:44:36
Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will.  Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here.  Once that is done I will expect the following:

"One, of the total value produced, one tenth of it will be marked as free reinforcements for authorized Lyran forces.  This one tenth is not to exceed your tax obligations though.

"Two, of the total value produced, half of it will be available for sale to Lyran systems and authorized Lyran forces.  If nobody purchases the material within one year of it being announced for sale, it goes under your control.  Try not to buy it all up yourself immediately though, there are other worlds that need military forces.

"Three, the remaining production amount will be yours to use as you see fit as long as it is in the service of the Lyran state.

"I know you'll want your own off-the-books forces, but those will be under your budget, not mine.

"Essentially I want a one-planet armory and resupply depot up here, and if you can do that it will make me a rather satisfied Archon.  If you can export that knowledge and capability to other Lyran worlds in this region so they become strong as well, I will be happier.  Basically you keep this end of the Lyran Commonwealth protected, and I'll deal with the morons at court.

"Bob will have his team draw up a contract, your lawyers will review, and we'll make a nice ceremony of both of us signing it.

"In the meantime, would it be a problem if my troops and yours had a few training exercises together?"


Of course, I also expect the Clans to stop by either just before or during her visit.  For that, there would be two scenarios that come to mind:
1) Clans arrive during her visit.  This means Trillian's professional Lyran military gets hammered, and the Loonies manage to rescue her and smuggle her off-world.  This will lead to a very interesting set of conversations with her top generals, asking why her military is unable to stop the Clans while a Lyran Periphery world is able to.
2) Clans arrive before her visit, the Loonies are fighting hard, and Trillian's force arrives just in time to rescue them.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Artifex on 26 October 2020, 19:58:13
Personally I'd love to see option 1) work out here idea weenie :D
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 26 October 2020, 20:19:37
i'm expecting Option 3... when they arrive Kowloon is already fighting, the LCAF rides in for what they think is their "big damn heroes" moment.. and get their asses kicked, with the 'Loonies rescuing them. complete with rants about how stupid it is to launch into battle with no communications with the local defending forces, thus derailing carefully laid battle plans.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Dave Talley on 26 October 2020, 22:29:53
"Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will.  Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here"

and Ngo being a Ngo could simply say, no mam, i dont recognize either of you as archon, thats for you two to settle, preferably without getting a bunch more Lyrans killed, you cannot force me either, at my signal every Ngo industry in the commonwealth will shut down, employees will still be paid, it will hurt our bottom line but those planets wont take an economic hit
go settle your pissing match on your own, I will help my neighbors deal with the Verde Vultures
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: idea weenie on 27 October 2020, 02:41:16
"Trillian could pull one stunt:
"Oh, and those taxes you don't plan to pay, technically you will.  Per ME, you will use the taxes that would have gone to My Treasury this year and use them to build a military-industrial complex out here"

and Ngo being a Ngo could simply say, no mam, i dont recognize either of you as archon, thats for you two to settle, preferably without getting a bunch more Lyrans killed, you cannot force me either, at my signal every Ngo industry in the commonwealth will shut down, employees will still be paid, it will hurt our bottom line but those planets wont take an economic hit
go settle your pissing match on your own, I will help my neighbors deal with the Verde Vultures

That is the fun part.  Trillian would be giving Sharon Ngo an order that she was going to do anyway:

"We're not paying taxes this year." Sharon said savagely.  "Alaric has Tharkad, Trillian doesn't have a working government OR military, but she's got the legitimacy claim on her side.  means there's gonna be a civil war, but until there is, there are two claimants to the throne and I don't like either one."

Trillian is just giving her the order to do what Sharon is doing anyway.  This just covers Sharon legally if anyone in Trillian's government tries to go after her for the taxes.  The harder sell would be demanding 1/10 of the output (by value) the next year, but that is for Trillian to enforce her authority over the other claimants, rather than Sharon.  So that part could be removed.

I did forget about the other Ngo industries on other worlds.  Perhaps Trillian should just phrase it as taxes from Kowloon and in-system industries would be diverted to form a military industrial complex, rather than claiming all of Ngo income everywhere?  Good catch, thank you
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 27 October 2020, 12:21:16
December, 3145...

The arrival of a Mjolnir class vessel with a load of Overlord A3's isn't exactly something that happens all the time in the Kowloon system.

"...You're a long way from Hesperus II, Yggsdrasill, Over."  the tiny almost-warship at the jump point was almost a toy.

"We're exactly where we're supposed to be, Coastie."  Admiral Franz Kaurletter replied, "We're also flying a pennant."

"Understood.  we've got a traffic lane open to Boojum if you need a refuel, Over?"

"I have a VIP set to head for Nha Tranh, Coast Guard 2/12, I told you, we're running a pennant."

"I understand that, Admiral.  It's just that it's a two week haul at one gee to Kowloon this time of year, and you can get your Pennant to the Capital faster if you divert to Boojum and let her take the ferry, OVER."

"Just clear a ****** jump coordinate, Coastie."

"Negative.  standing down the defenses in a war zone is not something I have clearance to do, and you don't have clearance to demand, Over.  Now follow the gods-damned flight plan and stay in your corridor!"

"Wait." Trillian spoke up before things could degenerate further.  "Coast Guard 2/12, this is Archon Trillian Steiner, what is the problem? I aim to speak with your Duchess, and I aim to do so without wasting half a month getting there the slow way! Over?"

"Majesty, if you want to speak with the Duchess, she's at the Naval Station at Boojum Three, Ma'am, it'll save a lot of time and headache if you just follow the corridor, Ma'am."

She turned to her Flag Captain, "There, sometimes you just have to ask why.  Follow the traffic instructions, Admiral."

"Aye ma'am... Coast Guard 2/12, can you provide nav com data?"

"Affirmative, LCAF Heavy Archon, but I'll give you one better.  We can give you a harbor pilot in about thirty minutes, if your Batteries are still warm, Over."

"Thirty minutes?"

"My relief, Admiral."

The Admiral looked to his Archon and cocked an eyebrow.

"We'll wait the half hour." Trillian instructed.

"Affirmative, Coast Guard." He said, "Yggsdrasill out."

***

Thirty minutes later, a second cutter arrived, and dispatched a dropship to link up to Yggsdrasill's external airlock 11.

The officer from the Coast Guard wore a uniform without nametapes, just a number, and didn't remove their helmet, their voice was modulated and anonymous, but whoever they were, offered standard courtesies, and returned salutes until reaching the Command deck of the Lyran cruiser, where he-or-she offered a salute.

"Harbor Pilot reporting, Admiral sir." 

"Why are you still wearing your helmet?"

"SOP sir...where's your nav board?"

"SOP?"

"Shipboard and on-mission, sir, it's easier to just leave it on than to keep finding places to put it in arm's reach.  I ought to be asking why you're risking crewmen and fires running shirtsleeves, but it's technically not a warzone yet, sir."

Trillian detected something..feminine in the voice, as the 'harbor pilot' moved up to the nav board, and started examining the settings.

"What's your name...Leutnant?"

"Lieutenant Commander, Mum." the pilot replied, "Service number is Sierra six one seven four November Three Golf Echo...here we go...stand by for translation."

"Wait!! You di-" the Admiral barked.

Discontinuity

For a moment, Trillian was back on Tharkad, fighting to escape from a Jade Falcon ambush...

Discontinuity

"-dn't ask..."

The harbor pilot took her helmet off,  and pulled a sickness bag from a pocket, venting her stomach into it in an action of complete indignity.  Sharon Ngo raised her face from the vomitvac bag, and said, "Welcome to Kowloon, Your Majesty.  Someone said you wanted to see me?" then hurriedly slammed her face back into the airsickness confinement system and vomited again.

"Where are we?"

"Boojum orbit, the Ell One point between the gas giant and Spider Moon, Mum."  Sharon explained, "Not a bad point, kinda loose, but...you guys keep too damn many safeties active on your drives!"

a junior officer offered the Duchess of Kowloon a cleaning wipe, which she used to clean her mouth gratefully.

"you input that manually, we have algorithms-"

"I don't trust foreign nav-coms, Admiral." Sharon said, "Especially don't trust them in my star system.  too many chances some dirtyfeet geek dropped a fraction or rounded off the wrong direction to meet a rushed contract."

she pulled a tabb out of another utility pocket, and chewed a bit of some medicinal gum that smelled like cinnamon.  "Archon...would you like to accompany me to the surface, Majesty?"

"Yes, that would be lovely...dear god, you've got TDS don't you?"

"Yeah...kind of a thing." Sharon said, then presented something to the Admiral, "Mind signing off my logbook? otherwise Cu'ong is going to have my ass in a press over doing a live jump with only four qualification runs."

He took the logbook, and signed off on it with shaking hands.  "FOUR jumps?"

"Five now." she smiled at him, an expression that seemed even more discordant on a face like hers.  "I'm doing my duty week a month early, so it's not 'your grace' up here, it's 'Leutnant Commander', sir."

***

"You have more cutters?" Trillian asked.

"Yeah."

"And I assume you're arming them 'traditionally'?"

"Yes Majesty, I am." Sharon nodded again, "Right at the moment, we've got four operational with full loadouts, we're working up crews for the other eight and reconditioning warheads for the antishipping torps."

The Archon stood with her hostess in a refitted cavern on an airless moon, while staff and crew from the Kowloonese forces were moving like a hive disturbed around them.  "It's not a problem, is it?" Sharon asked.

"I can see several problems, actually." Trillian stated, "Beginning with your statements to General LaRue."

"LaRue was in Brewer's pocket, I don't give two shits what he thinks." Sharon stated, "For that matter, I don't give ONE shit what he thinks.  The ****** got his commission to attend white wine parties and nail interns.  ****** him.  I didn't expect you to show up personally."

"what DID you expect?"

"Melissa 2.0." Sharon stated, "at best, I expected you to send an RCT with a real officer to 'explain' things-with or without the punitive raiding.  At worst, I expected to be cut off like-"

"I didn't have a choice, Duchess."

"I know." Sharon stated, "not with your entire navy sitting in my star system.  I aim to fix that-if there's a Commonwealth left to fix it for."

"on your own?"

"Like I could see a choice?" the younger woman asked rhetorically.  "Look, Between your predecessors and the Clans, the Lyran Commonwealth looks like a barbell, with Tharkad sitting under two occupations, and a gods-damned son of Katherine is claiming to be doing your job.  Meanwhile the LCAF looks a lot like it's been rotted out from the inside.  if nobody else is going to fix it, who will?"

Trillian glowered, "I'm working on that."

"Fair enough." Sharon replied, "I can have the first group of twelve Cutters ready by January, we've gotten the yards up to produce more, bottlenecks are logistics between here, and Tharkad, manpower issues, and the fact that the nation is being invaded.  the Falcons already have a sizeable fleet, we need to shut that down, which means we need bigger hulls, and more of them, and we don't have the yards for either one-not with Gibbs right next door to and next strategic target for the invading Falcons."

"The Republic has offered aid-"

"I wouldn't take it." Sharon said, "I wouldn't take aid from the Republic, Free worlds league, or Federated Suns, and the Combine isn't going to offer.  We need to do it ourselves Your Majesty.  we need to take the strategic initiative away from the invaders."

"You're suggesting attack?"

"It's the only way to win." Sharon stated.  "We need to strike first, from a direction they haven't anticipated, and hard, and then keep hitting...which we can't do with only twelve dinky cutters, two foxes and a cruiser."

"you're ignoring the ground forces in this equation of yours."

"Not really.  you can't stage a planetary invasion if you can't get the troops to the drop, and none of us is stupid enough to emulate the Feddies except, well...the feddies.  I'm not ready to move yet, Highness-we don't have the ability to project enough forces to succeed yet, and you haven't given me leave to make the attempt yet."

"You're accepting my authority?" Trillian asked.

"Highness, you're here, Alaric didn't come." Sharon stated, "You're the Archon, because you bothered to show up for work, the other claimant didn't...and now? it is too late.  I'll swear it in public if you want...but I'm not going to sit here and just let the Commonwealth fall if I do, so you need to factor that into your thinking-if I swear in to you, you better do your damn job, Majesty."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: nerd on 27 October 2020, 15:57:54
Quote
"Highness, you're here, Alaric didn't come." Sharon stated, "You're the Archon, because you bothered to show up for work, the other claimant didn't...and now? it is too late.  I'll swear it in public if you want...but I'm not going to sit here and just let the Commonwealth fall if I do, so you need to factor that into your thinking-if I swear in to you, you better do your damn job, Majesty."
That is one way to get the relationships down in a feudal system.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 27 October 2020, 16:16:27
LCS Yggdrasill, preparing for departure...

"I got what I wanted." Trillian stated, "She's willing to play ball for our team."

The image on the monitor was laced with static.  Julian looked surprised.  "What did it cost you?"

"Not much, for the price of a letter of waiver and a promise to support repeal of the Militia laws-which I was going to push for anyway." she stated, "And an appointment."

"An appointment? Trillian, what did you do?"

"I took what she started, and I expanded on it." Trillian stated, "Then, I put her where she's useful, Julian, there are going to be some radical changes, soon."

"What changes? how soon?"

"Very soon.  Watch your intelligence reports." she said, and signed off.


****

Spider Moon Coast Guard Naval Station...

"You got what you wanted?" Charles asked.

Sharon nodded.  "I did." she sighed, "God help me, I did.  Now I have to deliver."

"What are we delivering?"

"War." she said.  "We're going to rewrite the book one more time, Charles."

"Who?" he asked.

"We're going after Clan Jade Falcon-their navy, their transport assets, their economy." she turned, "Unrestricted Strategic Naval Warfare.  God help me...no, god won't help me, won't help us.  I guess you should ask the Chaplains to pray for our damned souls, we're going to sink the Falcon Fleet.  if they can't move forces, they're stopped.  Phase one, is intelligence, phase two, will be strategic strikes and raiding. They set the tone with their 'surrender or be annihilated' doctrine, we're just going to match them..for now.  I think I want to vomit."

"It has to be, doesn't it?" he asked.

"Yeah, but it doesn't make it feel less wrong, Charles.  my god, you should be arguing with me!"

"Arguing facts in evidence? neg." he shook his head, "The Clan has lost their way under the tutelage of a madwoman."

"And we may have done the same damnable thing." she argued softly.  "I have work to do."

*****

Outside, floating in free fall, were skeletal gantries, and these would be the wombs that birthed the resurgent Commonwealth Navy.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: georgiaboy on 27 October 2020, 16:38:18

"We're going after Clan Jade Falcon-their navy, their transport assets, their economy." she turned, "Unrestricted Strategic Naval Warfare.  God help me...no, god won't help me, won't help us.  I guess you should ask the Chaplains to pray for our damned souls, we're going to sink the Falcon Fleet.  if they can't move forces, they're stopped.  Phase one, is intelligence, phase two, will be strategic strikes and raiding. They set the tone with their 'surrender or be annihilated' doctrine, we're just going to match them..for now.  I think I want to vomit."


*****
Outside, floating in free fall, were skeletal gantries, and these would be the wombs that birthed the resurgent Commonwealth Navy.


Someone has been talking out of class in the Submarine services of the world.
Almost every submariner has had that prayer. Some of us only targeted military and did not win. Those of us who targeted everything the enemy touched won.


I only participated in Phase One. Riding along, tailing the other guy of the week, while hoping that someone else was not tailing at you.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: mikecj on 27 October 2020, 17:25:54
Time to show the Mongols what total war looks like.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 10:32:39
KCGS David Ngo, Coast guard hull 12/04/03...

Commander Jonah Sithers-Deen771 wasn't born to be a soldier.  He didn't even really think of himself as an officer, nonetheless, he was in command of a cutter with 75 men and women aboard, and they were on the hunt.

"Contact, bearing Two four eight by zero three zero, range 15,000 kilometers, emergence wave class two, six seconds to emergence."

Class two-meaning a mid-sized vessel such as a Tramp, Invader, or other Commercial ship with three collars.  Six seconds meant a full thirty light year crossing-the emergence wave preceding a ship's arrival from hyperspace by roughly two seconds for every ten light years.

"All hands, all hands, stand by for combat conditions."  Helmets were grabbed and donned, suit seals checked, and hookups to common air were connected, as the lighting shifted to red aboard and the atmosphere was vented from the pressure envelope.

"Gunnery, give me a visual with telescopes." he ordered.

on the surface of  the hull, a turret motor turned a set of focus lenses, adjusting to range and intensity to bring up the arrival of the jumpship.

The vessel came through, and he focused on it.

"Clan markings confirmed, Jade falcon, one fighter carrier and two transport droppers-both military."  his gunnery officer announced.

"CO confirms visual ident,  This one's legal, Gunnery set torpedoes and confirm ranging deflections."

"Ranging deflections confirmed, she's going active with sensors."

"Fire."

"Fish away."

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 28 October 2020, 11:09:05
A BT page of a submarine / u-boat of WW2.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 28 October 2020, 11:31:09
Missiles only?  No SubCaptial cannons?  I mean a nuke is a bit of an overkill to pop and Invader and a trio of dropships.  Especially none of them being late to post Jihad armored brick assault models.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: wolfcannon on 28 October 2020, 11:33:51
more of a statement.   cue Twisted Sister "we're not gonna take it!"
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 28 October 2020, 11:59:38
unrestricted commerce warfare (kill anything with falcon or pirate markings) combined with "lets make sure we kill this thing fast"
especially since the jumpship had a fighter carrier aboard.. had those fighters launched they'd have eaten the cutter alive. killing the jumpship and embarked ships using conventional munitions would take way too long, give them time to launch any readied fighters. a couple nukes will take them out in one volley though, before the JS has a chance to even register the danger.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 28 October 2020, 12:27:30
unrestricted commerce warfare (kill anything with falcon or pirate markings) combined with "lets make sure we kill this thing fast"
especially since the jumpship had a fighter carrier aboard.. had those fighters launched they'd have eaten the cutter alive. killing the jumpship and embarked ships using conventional munitions would take way too long, give them time to launch any readied fighters. a couple nukes will take them out in one volley though, before the JS has a chance to even register the danger.

And how many Sub Capital cannon hits would be needed to shred the Carrier?  Which based on Clan designs would be the only fighter carrier.  And you can carry much more cannon ammo than nukes.  Same deal as WWII, a sub would have more deck gun ammo than torpedoes.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 12:37:52
March 24, 3146, Alyina system, Coast Guard Cutter Caroline Ngo, Hull 12/05/04...

Lt. Commander Anh Mohr-Silverberg93 studied the image carefully.  "Black Lion class, Hull numbers are obscured, but the markings match JFS White Eyrie, looks like they're taking us seriously."

It had been a profitable month so far, three systems hit, seven hundred thousand tons of enemy shipping sunk just by Patrol 4 alone. 

"Confirm fighters are out, skipper."

"Of course they are." she said, "they're looking for us.  gunnery, do you have the range?"

"Twenty two thousand kilometers and receding, Skipper...emergence wave incoming, class three, estimate six seconds."

Class three.  Large jumpship or small warship.

"Stand by, lay out the good silver, I want four torps on vac standby for remote firing."

"Aye mum."

"RTO, send to patrol Lead on blackbox, we have found the White Aerie, give them course and range."

"Aye mum, sending now."

Tense minutes passed.

"Message received, orders to follow."

"Confirmed emergence, Clan-modified Star Lord class, looks like she's hauling four empty collars, one Carrier class dropship and one assault modified Overlord-C."

"Send contact report." she ordered.

"Message incoming, 'stand by for action, ready all combat assets, mission is to destroy White Aerie primary objective, secondary objective to destroy her convoy assets'."

"Well, you heard the man, action stations action stations, all personnel to combat duty stations, stand by for depressurization.  Fighters and auxiliary craft to launch positions."

"You know they're going to kick our asses, Mum."

"I'm aware, however, White Aerie is a battleship, a significant investment in manpower and equipment, and she's been used as a sledgehammer by the Falcons, we're duty bound to remove her from the board."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 13:02:27
Jade Falcon Ship White Aerie...

"Contacts!!  Emergence waves starboard and port!"

Star Commodore Julius Binetti looked up at the announcement-a fairly standard patrol had suddenly gotten a lot more interesting-the reports of ships failing to arrive at destinations crystallized.

"Get ident on those contacts!"

"No transponder signals, but..."  a high magnification telescope image appeared on the central screen.

"tinker toys.  They are using tinker toys!!  Action Stations, and I want those...pieces of crap swept from my sky!"

The Lyrans had to be desperate to be using such vessels.  It wasn't that the Clan were unaware of the Sampan class cutters, it was that the little ships were known.  Specifically, known to be low-technology, obsolete before they were even laid down, and largely abandoned due to the expense of keeping such shoddy vessels on anyone's registry.

almost an insult to real warriors by even having existed.

"Get the markings, we should certainly punish whoever sent those...things." he scowled.

"Confirm Orca Rampant markings, OvKhan."

Of course.  Nobody else would be insane enough to use them.  "get the NL-45s out in screening positions, those tinker-toy ships are carrying thermonuclear antishipping missiles, and they are Kowloonese, so they will lead with that! and give me a count on how many they sent!"

"Three emergence waves so far, class one, estimate ten seconds...less than ten thousand kilometers range."

They weren't trying the low-probability jumps yet.  of course they are not, there is nothing out here but US!

"Hot points! Missiles incoming negative Z-axis ten thousand kilometers from bearing one-sixty by Six Zero! quantity four....five....fighter signatures, count twelve."

"Warriors are clear to intercept the fighters." he ordered.  The other three emergence waves also finished, and fighters were already spreading from the other three on his flanks and positive axis.

"Engage the nearest enemy vessel with primary batteries!"
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 28 October 2020, 13:17:12
And how many Sub Capital cannon hits would be needed to shred the Carrier?  Which based on Clan designs would be the only fighter carrier.  And you can carry much more cannon ammo than nukes.  Same deal as WWII, a sub would have more deck gun ammo than torpedoes.
one, if the specs for the Sampans are the same as those he's used before, they don't have sub-caps. they have four white shark tubes and a couple NL45s for their capital armament.

second, assumign the fighter carrier is a Carrier class (as seems likely), it has 210 armor on all aspects plus 10 SI, with the cutter only able to do about 45 damage per turn using the lasers. so it would take 5 turns to take down the dropship. that is 5 minutes. and in that time the Carrier could launch its entire 10 fighter compliment. which, having nowhere to run, would have no qualms about attacking the sampan until the ship was destroyed or the fighters can out of gas. with the former being more liekly, as the sampans don't have the armor or antifighter armament to hold off ten clantech fighters.
if they task the missiles to it as well they could take it down in three turns, but they'd be unable to engage the jumpship itself or the troop movers, the latter of which would be able to bug out and build up enough velocity the Sampan could not catch them. and this assumes they hit with everything each turn. it very likely could take twice as long.

on the otherhand if they fire Santa Anna's from those missile tubes, or even just Alamo's rigged onto a cap-missile chassis, they can slag both the carrier and the jumpship in a single turn, with good chance of taking down the troop carriers at the same time. and by using bearings only launches they can put four missiles towards the target, ensuring that at least one will hit. and all they really need is one.

plus Kowloon has been building nukes in job lots (remember, they use fission for planetary power and in the belt), plus killing with nukes sends a message to the falcons pretty loudly about the gloves coming off.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 13:23:26
The Standard warload for a White Shark nuclear missile is a single 500 kiloton warhead, laser-fused, 'clean' nuclear warhead.

Kowloon doesn't make those.

The initial spread from the 4th Patrol's cutters use a different layout-the warhead section contains three independently targeted, space modified alamo antishipping missiles at 5 Kilotons per warhead, and that's been since the Jihad taught Groves Industries that single warhead systems can be defeated by point defenses.

The first wave is meant to overwhelm point defenses on capital ships and pocket warships, it's the second wave that carries the fun boxes.

a 'Fun Box' is a single-megaton warhead and a selection of tuned metallic lenses.  The lenses are released first, and spread in an array.

Fun boxes go off while the rest of the first wave are coming, and what they let out, is a concentrated x-ray pulse, known as a 'Teller's Flashlight' bomb-pumped X-ray laser.

These are specifically to blind enemy sensors and guidance while the MIRV warheads are on terminal guidance to the target.

This tech wasn't finished by the time that Operation:SCOUR had cleared the Word of Blake from Terra, but it almost was, and someone had kindly kept the tooling and specs in a bunker on the surface of Snark's second moon, along with an entertaining selection of other horrific toys whose development was turned off by the end of the Jihad.

for NL-45 shuttle three, the result was...predictable.  Whatever X-rays don't penetrate, they heat up, and Clan armor is pretty good, but all those electronic arrays require connections into the inside of the ship-and nobody told the crew to close the blast shielding, because they were there to play electronic warfare games with the incoming missiles and fighters.

The other problem, is drop-bombing.
 

Here's how it works: normally, an Alamo strike doesn't rely on dead-fall terminal guidance, because the Alamo warhead is a precision warfare item, and enemy fighters really don't want you to get a good shot/lock with it-so they're going to try to shoot you down.

but if you take the guidance head out, and the rocket motor off, and just keep the warhead and the detonator assembly, you can make that now-unpowered bomb about half the mass of an Alamo...or if you're using Plutonium layer-cakes, you can make a dial-a-yeild device from 10 to 50 kilotons in the same mass.  Fly at the target's predicted path, acclerate hard, hit the bomb release, and angle away.
 
The bomb will keep going at your last velocity, and it can't be spoofed or confused-it's an inert object with no heat signature.

a good pilot, drilled on dive-bombing against moving targets under simulated fire, can put a drop into a straight line in vacuum with a deviation of maybe ten meters.

a Black Lion battleship is a lot bigger than a ten meter circle.

The battle would continue for several hours after it kicked off, but despite spoofing or intercepting the capital missile launches, over a dozen ten kiloton warheads made contact with the White Aerie and only one was actually necessary.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 13:45:24
April, 3146...

Their opening move, was nuclear weapons.  By April 12, 3146, over a million tons of Jade Falcon logistical shipping was already destroyed in deep space interceptions, and added to that, the White Aerie, a Black Lion-class battleship.

The opening move was to use nuclear weapons. 

"I am...impressed."  Malvina Hazen said, as the battlerom from the Alyina space battle concluded.  "They have to die, of course, to be punished for their presumption, but I am...deeply impressed.  We finally see Lyrans taking us seriously. Where have their forces landed?"

"Ovkhan, there have been no landings in the wake of these attacks."  the Ordun's loremaster stated. 

"Not a single one?"

"None."

she was now more impressed.  The immediate meaning was clear-this was the opening gambit, the preparation for the offensive, not the offensive itself.

"They are going after our shipping." she said, "our transportation, our ability to move and support our forces...and seeking to force us to invest in protecting our airspace against an enemy who moves from system to system seemingly at random, because they can not muster enough force in any location for a stand up fleet action."  she mused aloud, "We need to force them to face us in the battle they can not win."

the outcome was predictable, four to one, these attackers lost three ships, and the fourth barely escaped.  in terms of attrition, of percentage of force, the loss of White Aerie would hurt, but..."we still have the advantage in numbers, quality, and experience."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 13:50:49
Kowloon, April 12...

"...you lost us three ships!!"  the Duchess was not pleased. 

"They took down the White Aerie, mum."

"At the cost of three cutters, eighteen fighters, and two hundred and twenty five men!" she scowled, "a full quarter of our existing Squadron strength, for one tenth of their fleet, Commodore!"

she huffed and settled, "Standing order, write this down: Until further notice, all Coast Guard units on Commerce interdiction duty are to run the ****** away when the Falcons bring in a warship.  I don't care if you've got the drop on them!"
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 28 October 2020, 14:01:06
Um, I think you mean Black Lion, not Texas.

And the question not asked, how quickly can Kowloon replace those Sampans, possibly with something better, and their crews?  Because if the Falcons can replace the Aerie?  They won't be building something the size of a Black Lion anytime soon.  And taken out by four ships, even if the survivor is a write off, that collectively massed less than half that Lion did.  Personnel are a bit of a net wash, the Black Lion has slightly over 200, plus any escorting dropships and small craft splashed in the battle.  The Sampans are about 75 each.

Edit: Okay, sounds like the replacement pipeline is further out on the Kowloon side than I originally thought.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 28 October 2020, 14:17:07
earlier in the story it got mentioned that most of their mothball fleet got moved elsewhere, and the production yards shut down. they're reactivating the yards but they only had four (iirc) ships in good enough condition to reactivate immediately. whats left are basically hulks needing a full on rebuild.. not much better than building them new. not sure how many they got rebuilt since then.

so yeah, they are looking at a major bottleneck, and losing three hulls *hurt*
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 15:38:08
Overview: Weapons are easy.

out of 24 mothball ships, four were ready with only minor work, 8 more required major repair and refurbishment, and the remaining 12 were very close to needing a core-out rebuild.

it took 18 months apiece to build these when they were new, but that was with an experienced workforce, a full service shipyard manufacturing complex, and a training establishment capable of producing crew and commanders at a rate that could match production.

in other words, "Kowloon during the Quarantine Era".

This, is Kowloon after the quarantine, after the Commonwealth government clamped down, and after Andrew Steiner concentrated all shipbuilding resources at Gibbs for easier immediate control, and it is decades after the massive layoffs that eviscerated Kowloon's still toddling shipbuilding industry.

weapons, are relatively easy single-system products.  Building naval warships, even relatively primitive ones that don't require as much advanced industrial capacity as a major dropship yard, is a little more difficult, recruiting crews to man those ships, establishing the training infrastructure for their officers?

These are turning out to be exceptionally difficult tasks.

Aside from parade service, most of the LCN's remaining hulls are essentially 'green' crews aboard vessels that prior to the blackout, had seen little to no service.

for decades.  Further, those few warships remaining in the LCN, were prestige assignments for officer candidates in a Commonwealth miitary more focused on social standing and personal wealth, than on things like military competence.

Aside from a few noble scions who still retained some martial spirit, most of the Commonwealth Naval officer corps know their way around a social function or dress ball, but are at best barely proficient at day-to-day operations shipboard, with no experience in warfare prior to the recent Free Worlds conflict and subsequent Wolf invasion.

and to her credit, Trillian isn't handing over the handful of competent commanders she does have to shepherd a force of what can be generously termed 'light commerce raiders'.

not when there's the potential for a Jade Falcon wall of battle fleet to show up over Gibbs that not only outnumbers the remains of the Commonwealth fleet, but individually out guns and out experiences them.

Sharon's in the same position Elizabeth was in 3050-she has to build a military from the ground up with whatever she can lay hands on that hasn't already been grabbed by her sovereign for duty elsewhere.

she does have a slight advantage, in that she can recruit from within her holding, and has a population with many of the base skills available and willing to serve voluntarily.

this, in turn, has an impact on the general 'look, sound, and feel' of the Kowloon Coast Guard.

Duty uniform is skinsuit with helmet at-hand, an overgarment is worn based on duty type or environment, but once you're in the suit, it's your uniform, this is a radical departure from Inner Sphere (or Clan) norms, and dovetails with the 'spacer habits' of running depressurized in combat zones or during an engagement. 

Ceremonial, by necessity, has changed.  Regulations had to be written to limit practical jokes and hazing behaviours-not to eliminate them, becuase that route already failed on day one, but limitations and formalization of specific types of hazing to create specific naval traditions for unit esprit and consistency.

Emotionally, there is a rift that will grow.  It's inevitable.  The LCN has repeatedly failed against the Jade Falcons, with defeat after defeat, failing to sink a single Falcon Warship.

The destruction of the White Aerie is public knowledge by the end of April, 3146, and with it, comes a reputation for the Kowloonese being the LCN's 'Hard boys'-the ruthless pricks willing to do anything to win, and able to do so competently.

Duchess Sharon Ngo, by May 1st, is already in a position to force through reforms with Her Majesty's backing onto the LCAF's Naval arm.

she just has to somehow manage to obtain enough ships and crew to make it stick...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Adventwolf on 28 October 2020, 17:51:17
Is there a TRO book or record of just what exists in these universes?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 28 October 2020, 18:23:54
Is there a TRO book or record of just what exists in these universes?

There's no TRO to my knowledge, but there are some threads in the fan design boards for some iterations of the 'looniverse, inlcuding the Patton-derived tanks/AFV and the Coast Guard cutters
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 28 October 2020, 20:26:25
May-august of 3146...

Patrol 3, Sqdn 12 Kowloon Coast Guard:

May: 2,573,931 tons of Jade Falcon merchant shipping destroyed.
June: 1,110,000 tons of Jade Falcon Merchant Shipping destroyed.
July: 1,652,181 tons of Jade Falcon Merchant Shipping destroyed.
August: 500,718 tons of Jade Falcon Merchant Shipping destroyed by August 15.


May: 153,090 tons of Sea Fox vessels destroyed in the Falcon territory
June: 22,151 tons of Sea Fox shipping destroyed
July: 10,502 tons of Sea Fox Shipping destroyed
August: by August 15, 3146, the monthly total of Sea Fox merchant shipping encountered: zero tons.

May: 53,150 tons of Hell's Horses shipping destroyed
June: 1,000,400 tons of Hell's Horses Shipping engaged and destroyed
July: 500,740 tons of Hell's Horses shipping destroyed
August 15: 235,193 tons of Hell's Horses shipping destroyed.

August 15: Coast Guard Patrol 12 Sqdn 3rd Patrol withdraws from the coreward side of the Jade Falcon front line to be replaced by Patrol 1, 13 Squadron.

The Coast Guard is acting the fox in a henhouse behind the Falcon front lines, the sum total damage isn't really obvious-the actual shipping losses are a minority percentage of military logistical traffic, but the speed and ease of the slaughter, averaging between 1 and 7 ships per week from May through August, has had knock-on impacts.  Clan Sea Fox is refusing to provide delivery services, citing the behavior of the Mongols as a provocation and insisting on their neutrality to both Inner Sphere, and fellow Clan powers.  Clan Hell's Horses briefly have doubled down on their trade ties to the Falcons, but with the losses incurred, even their Clan Council is debating severing further ties and fortifying until their fleets can be brought up to speed to counter the threat posed by fast commerce raiders who don't linger to be hunted down by superior forces.

Clan Jade Falcon's naval arm has scored not a single kill on Coast Guard vessels since the brief, relatively 'fair' fight at Alyina, but the attacks have slowed and in some cases crippled, the rearmament and reinforcement of front line Galaxies, as munitions, replacements, personnel and even food logistics have had to be rescheduled and reshuffled to replace both what has been lost, and what might potentially be lost.

On August 15, the first rocks fall, as nine-meter long needles of depleted uranium jacketed in tungsten-nickel alloy wrapped in absorbent coatings begin arriving at targets they were sent toward in June and July.

Everything in space is about timing, spatial navigation is about timing and speed.  Get an object up to a set velocity, and let it coast, the further it acclerates, the higher the velocity.  At a given angle, a bullet can travel interstellar distances.

these aren't going that far.

They are aimed at specific points.  Known points.  Industrial factories, fortifications, brian fortresses and military bases.  Nobody was looking when they were released.  More is the pity, as the factories that feed the Ordun on a dozen worlds experience a cataclysm unseen since the First Succession War.

Malvina Hazen wanted to dabble in total warfare.  With the Clan's aerospace stretched to the limits trying to deal with commerce raiders and the fact you can't just shove a farmer in a fighter's cockpit and expect him to fly the way you can shove that farmer in a tank and use them for cannon fodder?  even with adequate warning it wouldn't be enough.

The penetrators hit planets and stations,  The ones aimed at stations are hollow, to better transfer energy to their targets in the same way a hollow point bullet transfers energy to flesh instead of overpenetrating.

The ones aimed at ground bases are true penetrators-moving at Relativistic speeds, they hit, and timed and angled as they are, (accounting for orbit, rotational period, angle of approach) they're spending the minimum amount of time interacting with the planetary magnetic fields and atmospheres-taking the shortest route through atmosphere to reach the crust.

Bam, Bam, Bam, Eruption.  Three to six hits, bedrock cracks down to mantle, magma erupts with vengeful force.

A dozen worlds experience this, simultaneously on August 15th.

even more damage occurs as 'knock on' effects, from aftershocks and from collateral damage as vents are poked into planetary crust material, effectively overwhelming facilities designed to withstand dedicated naval orbital bombardment.

and still, the Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces don't move from their garrisons-instead, they dig in deeper, and continue to build up strength.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 28 October 2020, 20:32:36
I look forward to seeing how Malvina responds. From what I saw of her in the few Dark Age novels I read I would expect something like "they cracked bedrock? I want to shatter cores," possibly linked with a scream-and-charge attacks on any target that can't dodge or fight back.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: mikecj on 28 October 2020, 20:55:59
I'm surprised she isn't throwing everything at Kowloon, jacketed in cobalt, and trying to kill the system entirely.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: ThePW on 28 October 2020, 21:26:29
Is there a TRO book or record of just what exists in these universes?
I read this at work and burst out laughing. You do understand HOW MANY butterflies have been killed in all these stories?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Adventwolf on 28 October 2020, 21:31:49
I read this at work and burst out laughing. You do understand HOW MANY butterflies have been killed in all these stories?
I don't care about butterflies I care about units and builds. Don't care what the back story to their creation is just what they actually are.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 28 October 2020, 22:23:00
Everything in space is about timing, spatial navigation is about timing and speed.  Get an object up to a set velocity, and let it coast, the further it acclerates, the higher the velocity.  At a given angle, a bullet can travel interstellar distances.

these aren't going that far.
given enough time, even intergalactic distance. there is an encounter in Stellaris where your science ship is nearly hit by railgun rounds who's trajectory was traced to another galaxy.

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The penetrators hit planets and stations,  The ones aimed at stations are hollow, to better transfer energy to their targets in the same way a hollow point bullet transfers energy to flesh instead of overpenetrating.

The ones aimed at ground bases are true penetrators-moving at Relativistic speeds, they hit, and timed and angled as they are, (accounting for orbit, rotational period, angle of approach) they're spending the minimum amount of time interacting with the planetary magnetic fields and atmospheres-taking the shortest route through atmosphere to reach the crust.

Bam, Bam, Bam, Eruption.  Three to six hits, bedrock cracks down to mantle, magma erupts with vengeful force.

A dozen worlds experience this, simultaneously on August 15th.

even more damage occurs as 'knock on' effects, from aftershocks and from collateral damage as vents are poked into planetary crust material, effectively overwhelming facilities designed to withstand dedicated naval orbital bombardment.

a reminder that Sir Isaac Newton is the meanest son-of-a-bitch in space!
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Red Pins on 28 October 2020, 23:24:56
I don't care about butterflies I care about units and builds. Don't care what the back story to their creation is just what they actually are.

Hmm.  Might be an amusing Saturday project, putting them together from all the threads Cannonshop has done lately, but I have to  clean the garage and a couple other dad duties.  Just go looking in the Aerospace design thread is what I'd suggest.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Adventwolf on 29 October 2020, 00:09:42
Hmm.  Might be an amusing Saturday project, putting them together from all the threads Cannonshop has done lately, but I have to  clean the garage and a couple other dad duties.  Just go looking in the Aerospace design thread is what I'd suggest.
And that was what I was asking. If the units existed to look at them.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: drakensis on 29 October 2020, 02:08:12
Malvina is happy. Her sempai has noticed her!
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 29 October 2020, 09:55:33
Malvina is happy. Her sempai has noticed her!

LOL...that didn't even occur to me, now I can't stop imagining the manga for that.  (Curse my inability to draw well!)

Chibi Malvina-(Looking over the damage report)...dear god, would that be straight up manga, or would it be Hentai?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 29 October 2020, 10:22:29
LOL...that didn't even occur to me, now I can't stop imagining the manga for that.  (Curse my inability to draw well!)

Chibi Malvina-(Looking over the damage report)...dear god, would that be straight up manga, or would it be Hentai?

Hmm, Combine Propaganda?  How would they draw Sharon in it?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 29 October 2020, 10:43:55
Sharon is the Athletic but Tsundere main character.
Malvina is the Yandere stalker/antagonist.
Charles Icaza is the male love interest.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 29 October 2020, 11:08:17
Jesenice System...

The courier vessel arrived and the comm-linke was established.

"this is Brigadier Charles Icaza of the 171st Kowloon Brigade to the Garrison on the world of Jesenice, I am going to offer you a choice, and a time limit.  Behind Door number one, is unrestricted warfare in the mold of the Mongol Doctrine as espoused by your Khan, Malvina Hazen.  Keep in mind, I have weapons with continental destruction capabilities, good maps, and geological charts of the planet at my fingertips.  That's option One.  Option Two, Clan Jade Falcon may surrender the planet and system to me, and evacuate.  That is option Two.  Option Three, is that you degenerates can uphold the Traditions of the Clan, and bid forth a defending force, holding strictly to Zellbrigen, and maybe keep what you are standing on without having it shot out from under your feet.  You have eighteen hours to broadcast your answer, if you do not, then...it will be Option One.  Icaza out.""


Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 29 October 2020, 12:00:24
elsewhere in the Commonwealth, August 25, 3146...

"Trillian, do you have any idea what you've done??"  on the video screen, Khan Alaric Ward actually looked distressed.

"Yes." Trillian said, "We're at war, Alaric.  My nation is invaded, and this war is not an optional conflict, it is existential.  Relax, I've no intention of turning her loose on you."

He digested this with a moment's hesitation.  "Trillian, your...subordinate...is playing with fire that could ignite everything you have left! Nuclear weapons-"

"Orbital Bombardments, Mass Slaughters, Alaric.  Malvina's mongols slammed a starship into a planet in a fit of pique.  She set the terms of the engagement, the rules of the road here, at total war.  The Commonwealth is responding in kind.  I know what the risks are, but what choice did any of you leave us with, except to respond with the maximum force we can to a threat to our nation's very existence?"

"Your 'total war' is cracking continents!"

"Yes.  yes it is." she responded, "They did it to their own people first-that shows there is no limit on them save imagination and preparation, against such a foe, there are no 'rules'...albeit, Sharon Ngo still thinks there should be, which is why she didn't target faultlines and dormant volcanoes, and why she will not utilize those ships of hers in the direct-fire role in ground support.  Per the Ares conventions, her use of thermonuclear arms has been within the letter of the conventions-engagements in deep space only, against known targets of a military nature or with direct military value."

"And the super-strikes?"

"non-nuclear kinetic weapons delivered with precise targeting to destroy hardened targets at a distance." she pointed out, "every reasonable precaution to prevent civilian casualties was taken."

"And the Commerce raiding?"

"Perfectly legal." she stated.  "beyond that, no theft of materiel or kidnapping of personnel has occurred, or will occur...and I have a limit on her conduct."

"A...limit?" he scoffed.

"A limit.  in phase two her forces are required to offer the opportunity for Jade Falcon defenders to observe Zellbrigen, evacuate, or fight according to their Mongol beliefs-with the full understanding that the last choice will result in the employment of unrestricted total warfare methods and tactics to defeat them."

"and if those ground forces fail in a Zell situation?"

"I will insist she accepts the outcome of the battle, Alaric-that means they can win if they strictly observe and adhere to Traditional Clan Methods and values."

his expression gained a hint of cunning,"YOu are trying to moderate their behavior!"

"yes.  We don't have the manpower to retake the amount of the Commonwealth-as in I just don't have enough bodies to drive the Jade Falcons out of the Inner Sphere, and I would rather NOT be Archon of a funeral pit.  The Falcons are already violating your Clan rules among the council of six, if the rumoured censure is any indication.  We can't trust them to make a deal without first demonstrating that breaking it has consequences...which you and the other Clans are loathe to impose.  They will either win following the code of Zellbrigen, or they will be graveled because they adhered to the Mongol philosophy. a few object lessons on what succeeds versus what gets your world shot out from under you should serve as an instruction on how to behave.  Maybe in a few generations they'll discover diplomacy is even cheaper."

He looked skeptical, "what makes you think this will work?"

"I don't know if it will, but we can't just roll them up right now, and we can't afford for them to be at full strength, and I certainly have no interest in letting Malvina's Madmen claim this 'ilClan' status-you're at least Sane.  if we survive this, Facing you I at least know you won't burn the ****** Commonwealth to the ground in a temper tantrum!"

"You do know I have claimed the title of Archon."

"And when you're done with fighting on your far border, and I'm done fighting Malvina, we can have it out, but i'll tell you something, cousin: Sharon Ngo and Anna MacAulliffe both were on the fence, and what brought them to my side of that future argument, is that you didn't show up, and I did. for now, I'm content to leave the Wolf Empire alone to fight your war with the Republic, and you don't have to worry about Lyrans coming in on your back-field to wreak havoc, I'm even fine with a two-state solution and letting the Wolf Empire retain what you took from Melissa after Brewer's perfidy...but please, if you're not going to help, stay out of our way. I've already fought one more civil war than I am willing to endure."
 
"A Two-State solution is unacceptable. The Lyran Commonwealth is MY realm!" He barked.

"THEN ACT LIKE IT!!" she challenged, "Until you do, no-one on this side of the border is going to accept  a claim from one of Krazy Katherine's offspring!"  she puffed up, "Do you think I wanted this job?  I was perfectly fine with being out of the succession, Alaric! I had plans, those plans are dust now!!  You want your inheritance? then act like it, fight the brutal, lunatic invaders instead of wasting Lyran Lives on a Republic Front!! you won't, because ilClan is more important to you than your nation, just like New Avalon was more important to your mother than this nation!  I turned Sharon Ngo loose because we're drowning here!"



Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 29 October 2020, 12:04:18
Jesenice System...

The courier vessel arrived and the comm-linke was established.

"this is Brigadier Charles Icaza of the 171st Kowloon Brigade to the Garrison on the world of Jesenice, I am going to offer you a choice, and a time limit.  Behind Door number one, is unrestricted warfare in the mold of the Mongol Doctrine as espoused by your Khan, Malvina Hazen.  Keep in mind, I have weapons with continental destruction capabilities, good maps, and geological charts of the planet at my fingertips.  That's option One.  Option Two, Clan Jade Falcon may surrender the planet and system to me, and evacuate.  That is option Two.  Option Three, is that you degenerates can uphold the Traditions of the Clan, and bid forth a defending force, holding strictly to Zellbrigen, and maybe keep what you are standing on without having it shot out from under your feet.  You have eighteen hours to broadcast your answer, if you do not, then...it will be Option One.  Icaza out.""

So, I'm betting the KKVs are already on the way, probably started weeks ago, and the 18 hour limit is the last point Charlie can send an abort code and have them able to divert enough to avoid hitting the planet?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 29 October 2020, 12:12:28
You want your inheritance? then act like it, fight the brutal, lunatic invaders instead of wasting Lyran Lives on a Republic Front!! you won't, because ilClan is more important to you than your nation, just like New Avalon was more important to your mother than this nation!  I turned Sharon Ngo loose because we're drowning here!"
Someone needs to point that claiming the ilclanship won't matter if the Falcons are still around.. because while the other 4 clans in the IS might accept a wolf ilclanship, the falcons under the mongol faction would just turn on the wolves. his best way to build up his claim for the lyran throne is to fight the Falcons and end that threat to the lyran state. his best chance of convincing the other 4 clans to accept wolf ilclanship is going to be fighting the falcons and ending their threat to the other clans.
in both cases, demonstrating that he is capable of meeting the basic criteria for the job.. to protect and defend. fighting the republic to get earth might get him the title but it would be an empty one since the IS powers would never accept his rule, and the other clans would either ignore him or actively fight him.

but if he helps take out the falcons he can sway the lyrans and other clans to his side. whether he gets the lyran crown or not, he could build a coalition of clans and successor states that can take on Stone's empire and secure earth as a prelude to a new star league.. which is what the ilclanship is supposed to be about in the first place.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 29 October 2020, 12:32:04
LCS Elizabeth Ngo, Sampan mk IV prototype, Lyran Commonwealth Naval Shipyard, Gibbs system...

the waste-extraction hoses worked well, clearing her helmet while she recovered.  "XO?"

"all systems green after jump, we made it inside a ten minute window, Mum."  Lt. Commander Linda Minh01 stated, "We're clear and traffic control has returned our ping."

"Good." Sharon undid the straps, "Bring up press to point nine one Atmospheres, secure from combat conditions."

"Aye Mum, point nine one atmospheres, securing from combat conditions."

"All in all a good shakedown run."  Sharon unbuckled from the navigator's harness, and stepped on mag-boots to the side as a junior officer took the helm.  "Thanks for letting me drive, Linda. it felt like I was growing roots at that desk."

"any bet on Brigadier Icaza's mission?" Linda asked.

"Nope...but if I guess a'right, he's either earlobes deep in combat with Falcon ground forces on Jesenice, or watching KKV's discharge excess kinetic energy into the surface."  she doffed her helmet, and checked her hair for stray vomit particles, "I'm betting he's getting his 'mechwarrior on at the bottom of that well.  I doubt they're going to retreat."



Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 29 October 2020, 13:55:00
LCS Elizabeth Ngo, Sampan mk IV prototype, Lyran Commonwealth Naval Shipyard, Gibbs system...
"Bring up press to point nine one Atmospheres, secure from combat conditions."

"Aye Mum, point nine one atmospheres, securing from combat conditions."

Why 0.91 atmospheres? I'm assuming 1 atmo is terran normal. Is 0.91 Kowloon normal, Gibbs normal, or is there another reason for that number?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 29 October 2020, 14:01:35
Why 0.91 atmospheres? I'm assuming 1 atmo is terran normal. Is 0.91 Kowloon normal, Gibbs normal, or is there another reason for that number?

Budget, plus running slightly thin on atmo increases stamina on worlds with Earth normal conditions. (similar to training at high altitudes for athletes.)
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 29 October 2020, 14:05:54
Budget, plus running slightly thin on atmo increases stamina on worlds with Earth normal conditions. (similar to training at high altitudes for athletes.)

Thank you
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 29 October 2020, 14:34:53
Freiheit Salon Bordello, Gibbs...

The doors opened, and the bouncer stumbled backward.

Duchess Sharon Ngo stepped forward through the doors, Full Dress overgarment with long overcoat flapping in the temporary breeze caused by the violent act.  "Attention Ladies and Gentlemen, this establishment has been published as off-limits to Lyran Commonwealth Naval Personnel."  she took another step forward, as the bouncer tried to rise.  she dropped him with an open-handed slap to the side of his head.
,
Behind her, a four man team in GDL Scout armor carrying the markings of the LCAF's provost stepped in, their weapons mounts sporting non-lethal suppression weapons.

"You can't do that here!" the receptionist squeaked.

"Funny, I'm doing it.  Everyone out of the rooms, now please. Non-military personnel and employees will be compensated, but if there are any, and I mean any Commonwealth naval personnel using your services, they will be removed."

"We paid the bribe!!"

"Dear, you may pay the city officials whatever bribes you wish, it is no concern of mine." Sharon stated, "Having officers unfit for duty with venereal diseases, or being blackmailed? that is my concern.  As I stated, employees discomfited by this necessary disciplinary action will be compensated, and civilians may go as they wish.  I am only here for my officers."

a further squad of LCAF military police entered from the rear, and spread out, opening doors with the announcement "Hands Behind Your Neck!!"

within a few minutes several patrons of the establishment were being hustled into the anteroom, though one was being dragged by his neck in a frog-march with his pants around his knees, face painted in makeup.

"ah, Admiral Fleist." Sharon said, "Interesting makeup, I think the plum makes you look pallid.  Do you know who I am?"

the man's frustration and indignity gave way to stark horror.  "You- You are Sharon Ngo!!"

"That's right, I'm also your boss.  I have determined that the progress at the naval refit yard is unsatisfactory, your assurance that everything that can be done, is being done, strikes me as hollow, your claim of devotedly focusing all efforts on meeting standards..." she looked around, "...I remain unimpressed.  Kaporal, you may release Herr Fleist." she reached into her overcoat, and drew out a stack of papers, "This is your resignation.  You will sign it.  Now, or you will be relieved for cause and face charges of gross misconduct, dereliction of duty, and..." she looked him over, "Gross moral violations.  Kaporal, did you check the identity of the whore he was with? is she of age?"

"He is, Mum."

"well, we can forget the morals charges then." she said casually, "Sign the form, Admiral.  I believe your lady wife may find your conduct...of interest, it's a shame I simply don't care."

she turned to the next man.  "Colonel, you're ground forces, Kaporal, let him go, he is Reinhardt Steiner's problem, not mine."

she stepped to the next person in line.  "Commander, leather suits you.  Your vessel is unfit for service, your duties are incomplete."

she eyed four more officers, including the aforementioned ground forces officer, "Let me make this perfectly clear-all passes are revoked until the Gibbs Squadrons are up to the standard, including officer's priveleges.  this conduct is abhorrent to the values of the Lyran Commonwealth Navy, and I will not tolerate dereliction, gold-bricking, nepotism, or misconduct by those entrusted by this nation with positions of leadership."

she swiped a backhand at the next senior officer, knocking him to the floor.  "We are under wartime discipline, the next violation will see formal charges, and subsequent violations will be dealt with under Admiralty Law as sabotage, with appropriate sentencing.  My grandmother shot a man for malfeasance, and that was in peacetime. do not test me."  she turned to the Provost team's Leutnant.  "Escort them to their place of duty, in the condition they are presently in.  be certain to inform watch officers what has transpired here...in detail. dismissed."

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Ajax_Wolf on 29 October 2020, 15:19:18
Thank you

Final total pressure depends on the percentage of O2 in the air mix. NASA dropped the cabin pressure after the Apollo 1 fire.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 29 October 2020, 16:23:44
Final total pressure depends on the percentage of O2 in the air mix. NASA dropped the cabin pressure after the Apollo 1 fire.

Actually the atmosphere pressure increased, because of a switch from pure 02 atmosphere to a less flammable Nitrogen-Oxygen mix.

The advantage of a pure 02 atmosphere is the important part for enough air to breath is not the total air pressure, but the partial pressure of the oxygen.  So running a higher than sea level oxygen concentration allows you to run a much lower total air pressure.  Around one-third of sea level pressure IIRC for a pure 02 atmosphere, and that is still used in space suits to allow them to bend at all.

Pure 02 was used for weight savings and engineering ease.  With a lower spacecraft pressure you had less issues and weight in tanks and keeping the atmosphere inside the ship.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: kindalas on 29 October 2020, 17:51:18
Final total pressure depends on the percentage of O2 in the air mix. NASA dropped the cabin pressure after the Apollo 1 fire.

In the Apollo 1 fire the cabin was at 5psi overpressure with 100% 02.

To properly simulate the stress effects on the capsule.

At 19.7 PSI of O2 everything is very flammable.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Ajax_Wolf on 29 October 2020, 19:16:53
In the Apollo 1 fire the cabin was at 5psi overpressure with 100% 02.

To properly simulate the stress effects on the capsule.

At 19.7 PSI of O2 everything is very flammable.

16 psi pure O2 at launch, 5 psi of O2 post launch. This was before Apollo 1,  After that it was air at 16 psi, then 5 psi O2 post launch.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Derain Von Harken on 30 October 2020, 03:37:47
Having the falcons from hue enclave challenging the mongol falcons is hilarious. Like wize old master coming down from mountain to kick everyone I to the ground.
Ah so you wish to abandon zellbringen? We will just annihilate you utterly through total war. So now young falcons...deep dramatic breath...

Dare you refuse my batchall?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 09:35:34
Second day in system, Gibbs...

The wave of reliefs for cause really began on the second day, as Sharon set to work reorganizing the fleet.  It began with the arrival of a cadre of junior officers and senior NCO's carrying questionaires.

very quickly, this became known as 'The Archon's Inquisition'.

jumpship and warship commanders who could not calculate a transitory jump point, engineering officers who couldn't balance the magnetics in a powerplant, and weapons officers who could not balance thermal output or explain procedures for manual targeting were relieved immediately.

Dropship officers who could not plot burn-days without mechanical aids were relieved, fighter squadron commanders unfamiliar with basic tactics, communication protocols, or who did not know how their fighters operated joined a growing number of commissioned men and women down at the loading docks, with a new assignment: carrying boxes and crates from one place to another.

under guard.

meanwhile, ships and crew were down-checked and another cadre, this time in skin-suits with blank rank patches, moved in to begin refresher training.

every pass and every leave was cancelled.  Personnel ON leave were rounded up by Provost and brought to their duty stations post-haste, sometimes without their clothes.

For fifty years, the Lyran Commonwealth Navy was little more than a mix part-time taxi service and full time gentleman's club.  the arrival of Chief of Naval Operations Sharon Elizabeth Ngo gave the old boys club a punch right to the groin.

and she wasn't finished punching yet.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 30 October 2020, 10:31:43
"NO ONE expects the Archon's Inquisition!"

"Our chief weapon is surprise inspections... math and surprise inspections!  Our two weapons are math and surprise inspections... and ruthless efficiency exams.  Our three weapons are math, surprise inspections and ruthless efficiency exams... and an almost fanatical devotion to Dutchess (Admiral?) Ngo.  Our four... no... Amongst our weapons...  Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again."

(Rating) "I didn't expect an Archon's Inquisition?"

"NO ONE expects the Archon's Inquisition!  Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: math, surprise inspections, ruthless efficiency exams, an almost fanatical devotion to Dutchess Ngo, and nice skin tight uniforms - Oh Finagle!"
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 11:27:28
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October 11, 3146...

One of the advantages of the concentration of naval shipyards at Gibbs, was that some products could be produced or refitted quite rapidly, and designs that could be produced quickly, meant hulls could be pulled out of layup storage and reactivated.

Archon Andrew Steiner had insisted that the bulk of the Jihad era Kowloonese Coast Guard be turned over once the cure for the Arluna plague had been developed, and Amanda Ngo had complied, sending 72 Sampan Block 2 hulls, which had been gradually stripped and broken down over the following decades, their systems stripped out to provide components for assault dropships or to be recycled for commercial and government use in conventional jumpships.

about 48 of them were still waiting for the breakers when Duchess Sharon Ngo was appointed Chief of Naval Operations for the LCN.

Reactivation and a short-handled refit programme began weeks before her arrival at Gibbs, and now, 24 ships were getting their crews, and a mission, while the forges are beginning to turn out the core and spine of new Fox class Corvettes, and the stalled work on the larger forges for the Mjolnir class cruisers were finally being finished.

"Cameron.  Westerstede, Horneburg, and Pobeda." she outlined to the now much smaller LCN General Staff.  "These are supply points, staging grounds, and relays for the Falcon Ordun.  They're critical links in terms of enemy activity holding Tharkad, and they're all four within striking range of Gibbs.  We're going to liberate those worlds...or destroy their value to the enemy."


Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 12:44:19
Skye...

"They are going to get hammered.  How fresh is this intelligence?" Khan Alaric Ward was a hard man to shake.  Not a lot gets through his shell, and after his argument with Trillian, he'd been even less interested in happenings in that portion of the Commonwealth that wasn't (yet) part of the Wolf Empire.

Thus, the intelligence report on Jade Falcon activity had been neglected for days before he got around to looking at what the Watch thought Malvina might be aiming for.

The Jade Falcons were no longer chasing commerce raiders in their back field.  They were massing their fleet, to go after the Lyran Commonwealth's largest, and until recently, last major shipyard facility at Gibbs.

The numbers can't be argued.

"These can not be denied or argued.  Even with the unfortunate choice to deploy nuclear ordnance by the Lyran CNO, they are going to get slaughtered!"  he clenched his fist.

"Well...is not that a good thing?" Anastasia Kerensky asked in a slightly mocking tone.

"No. It is NOT." he said.  He could feel it-an aspect of one of his gene-parents, maybe victor?  "Neg...not good at all.  It will take the Jade Falcons another month to have this force assembled and ready to attack, if these estimates are correct, how fast can a fleet be assembled to reinforce Gibbs?"

"Fifteen...twenty days?"

"Time enough."

"WHY?" Anastasia asked.

Alaric grimaced, "Because Trillian challenged me, I reminded her of my claim to the throne, and she mockingly challenged me, 'If you want to be the Archon, act like it'.  The offensive into the Republic can wait, stone is going nowhere, and I fully intend to have the entire of the Lyran Commonwealth bow to me-it's time I acted like my birthright is more than a suggestion on a piece of paper." 

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 30 October 2020, 12:50:18
So, a big, multi-side, showdown at Gibbs?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 30 October 2020, 13:00:49
So, a big, multi-side, showdown at Gibbs?

Now the 'Loonies will have two clans to shoot at...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 30 October 2020, 13:03:02
Now the 'Loonies will have two clans to shoot at...
Do they have enough nukes for that?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 30 October 2020, 13:13:01
Do they have enough nukes for that?

i'm gonna go with "yes"

i also suspect the 'loonies have the same intel about falcon fleet movements (because really, the clan watch sucks, and while the Lyran intel agencies are a little disturbing at times, you can't argue with their skill) and will have some surprise waiting for the falcon.

i also suspect that Alaric is assuming a straight up naval fight.. which we know a Kowloon led force will never employ.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 14:47:30
"...we don't have a wall of battle yet."  Sharon explained.  Trillian looked at the operational reports, LIC's reports, and the data from the Wolf Empire.

"Alaric is sending fleet units, Sharon, and I'm inclined to accept the help." Trillian stated.

"Do it." Sharon nodded.  "it'll help, but if we let Malvina try a wall of battle in the Gibbs system we're going to lose a ton of infrastructure even if we win."

"Solution?"

"When the enemy's strongest move is known, and you have evidence she's going for that strongest move?" Sharon smiled slowly, "then it's more a matter of figuring out how to disrupt it mid-motion.  I want the Mongols to make their thrust-I want them committed."


The Gibbs Offensive

The Falcon Plan:

Units:

CJF Turkina's Pride, Cameron class
CJF Jade Aerie  Black Lion class
CJF Blue Talon Aegis Class
CJF Chaos Sailor Aegis Class

CJF Kerensky's Pride Congress Class
CJF Emerald Tornado Whirlwind Class
CHH Black Knight Lola III (on loan)
CHH Stampede York class (on Loan)

Objective: Overwhelm defenders, capture or destroy all naval facilities, prep Gibbs for invasion and support landings.

Taking advantage of apparent confusion in the Lyran command structure, as well as the visible appearance that LCN forces are distributed in an unfocused manner across too wide a front, the Falcon operational plan is to deliver a force of warships-fortified with 'pocket warship' type assault dropships and heavy fighter carriers deep  into the Gibbs system via stable L1 pirate point insertions.  Initial strikes will be made at command and control facilities and the dockyards, which contain at least two Mjolnir and between three and five Fox class vessels under construction or refit.

the initial wave of attacks is intended to destroy or disrupt the ability of the Lyran defenders to organize a defense against such a deep strike, after which, the second wave moves in and mops up defending forces in detail, before moving to secure the lanes for the ground assault.



Defending forces:

LCS Wotan-Mjolnir Class cruiser (just commissioned)
LCS Peter Marsden-Fox Class
LCS Walter Steiner Fox Class

1st Cutter Squadron
Patrol 1
LCS Duchess Elizabeth Ngo-Sampan Block 4/"Duchess" class light Corvette
LCS Bianh Vu Dao-Sampan Block III
LCS Nicole Minh-Sampan Block III
LCS Linda Sithers-Sampan Block III

Patrol 2
LCS Kelli Whyte Sampan Block III
LCS James Qua Sampan Block III
LCS Edward Vanh Sampan Block II
LCS Karriana Mohrs Sampan Block II

Patrol 3

LCS Ingrid Hoeven Sampan block II
LCS Nolan MacGuire Sampan  Block II
LCS Iris Stevens-Deen Sampan Block II
LCS Kurt Myerley Sampan Block II

Gibbs Protection Squadron

LCDS Hummingbird-Overlord A3
LCDS Blutbat-Overlord A3
LCDS Lunwulf-Triumph Pocket Warship
LCDS Vampir-Mule Pocket Warship

LCDS Graf Kell-Vengeance Class fighter carrier
LCDS Flamberge- Claymore Class assault dropship
LCDS Morningstar-Claymore Class assault dropship
LCDS Luzern-Triumph Pocket Warship

1st and 3rd Royal Guards Air Wing
Gibbs Reserve Air Wing

Clan Wolf ships:

CWS Bloody Fang Cameron Class
CWS Rogue Congress Class
CWS Jerome Winson-Liberator Class

Note: Clan Wolf forces are transporting Pocket Warships and Titan class Carrier dropships, with full fighter loads.

The Defenders' plan:

Intelligence confirmed from both Clan Wolf and LIC sources have located the mustering grounds and staging areas for the oncoming Falcon assault.  Vessels from patrol 3 have positioned to monitor and report on activity in Jade Falcon staging areas, communicating their information via 'black box' comms to LCN headquarters for distribution.  While the Jade Falcon watch had some good sources in the Gibbs system, those sources were shut down in August of 3146, and the Lyrans have been feeding them misinformation-just-close-enough-to-the-truth, which has then been dutifully reported back to the Falcons, including the actual readiness of the vessels under construction and refit, quantity of operational vessels, and readiness of the defenders.  This has also managed to strangle off any verifiable information regarding the political situation between Trillian's government and Clan Wolf.

Alaric's Plan: Fortify the existing 'wall of battle' units defending the Gibbs system, and save the damn day like big damn heroes.  He's placed operational command in the hands of the Star Commodore commanding CWS Bloody Fang.

Sharon's Plan: Timing is crucial, the Falcons must be committed to the attack before closing the ambush.  Patrols 3 and 2 are set to begin hitting the Jade Falcons as soon as their emergence waves are confirmed.  Squadron 1 is positioned in the outer system as a fast reaction force.  non-jump capable assets are positioned close to key industrial or command facilities with orders to hold terrain and only engage within a 3-5 minute overthrust distance of their charges.  Fighter squadrons from the ground units are on standby, with Naval fighters positioned to support the assault dropships or larger warships.

While the Jade Falcons are engaged in their first wave of attacks, Kowloon Coast Guard units from 11th Squadron will be conducting strikes at the Jade Falcon mustering points over Cameron, Westerstede, Horneburg, and Pobeda, as well as strikes at enemy transport assets one jump further out.  These strikes are also meant to support LCAF counter-invasions launched from Coventry, Alma Alta, Pherkad, and Donegal.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: JA Baker on 30 October 2020, 15:08:41
Do they have enough nukes for that?
If not, break out the coffee cans and Great Aunt Annie's notebook...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 30 October 2020, 15:48:31
If not, break out the coffee cans and Great Aunt Annie's notebook...
Isn't that considered too extreme, even against Falcons?
Naaah, I'm joking.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 30 October 2020, 16:34:56
1st Cutter Squadron
Patrol 1
LCS Duchess Elizabeth Ngo-Sampan Block 4/"Duchess" class light Corvette
LCS Bianh Vu Dao-Sampan Block III
LCS Nicole Minh-Sampan Block III
LCS Linda Sithers-Sampan Block III

Patrol 2
LCS Kelli Whyte Sampan Block III
LCS James Qua Sampan Block III
LCS Edward Vanh Sampan Block II
LCS Karriana Mohrs Sampan Block II

Patrol 3

LCS Ingrid Hoeven Sampan block II
LCS Nolan MacGuire Sampan  Block II
LCS Iris Stevens-Deen Sampan Block II
LCS Kurt Myerley Sampan Block II
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Squadrons 3 and 2 are set to begin hitting the Jade Falcons as soon as their emergence waves are confirmed.  Squadron 1 is positioned in the outer system as a fast reaction force.

@Cannonshop Do you mean patrols here, or do the Lyrans actually have 3 full squadrons (36 cutters) avaiable in-system?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 19:23:46
@Cannonshop Do you mean patrols here, or do the Lyrans actually have 3 full squadrons (36 cutters) avaiable in-system?

good catch.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 30 October 2020, 20:44:19
Thanks, but I think I'd have liked to have seen what would have happened with 3 squadrons!
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 21:07:35
Thanks, but I think I'd have liked to have seen what would have happened with 3 squadrons!

I think you can extrapolate what's going to happen, but in a sense, this is a campaign in and of itself with multiple parts.

By luring the Jade Falcons into a concerted naval push (that, to be fair, Malvina probably already had in mind before Jesenice or the commerce raiding happened), the Lyrans have basically opened up the opportunity to strike across multiple angles at falcon-held territory without having to account for a Clan Jade Falcon naval touman showing up to ruin things at the last moment.

Alaric's choice with Gibbs is, in a sense, a bid for naval supremacy and a thumb in the eye to Malvina's presumed intention of going for the ilClan.  It's also a move to strengthen the legitimacy of his claim to the Archonship and bring the Lyrans 'on side' with his larger objectives, while also splitting them from the Republic politically in addition to physically and economically without having to waste the time to invade the Commonwealth world-by-world to assert his position.

Sharon, is looking to hand the Mongols an unambiguous defeat and maybe tip the scales toward a Jade Falcon clan that is more in line with her Grandfather's stories of what they should be by delivering that defeat, and thus, damaging Malvina's influence as a legitimate leader.

Sentiments are, shall we say, mixed.  Kowloon's got a Falcon-derived minority that are patriotic and respected members of society, and is governed by a woman whose legal family tree leaves her at 1/4  Bloodhouse Roshak, she has enough of the right DNA to (using the Kell Precedent and the Diana Pryde precedent) challenge for a bloodname...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 30 October 2020, 21:30:14
I think you can extrapolate what's going to happen
True, but it's less than a week to bonfire night in the UK and I'm in the mood for extra fireworks  >:D

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By luring the Jade Falcons into a concerted naval push (that, to be fair, Malvina probably already had in mind before Jesenice or the commerce raiding happened), the Lyrans have basically opened up the opportunity to strike across multiple angles at falcon-held territory without having to account for a Clan Jade Falcon naval touman showing up to ruin things at the last moment.
Is this pretty much the entirety of the Falcons' warships then? I did notice they've borrowed two ships from the Hell's Horses.

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Alaric's choice with Gibbs is, in a sense, a bid for naval supremacy and a thumb in the eye to Malvina's presumed intention of going for the ilClan.  It's also a move to strengthen the legitimacy of his claim to the Archonship and bring the Lyrans 'on side' with his larger objectives, while also splitting them from the Republic politically in addition to physically and economically without having to waste the time to invade the Commonwealth world-by-world to assert his position.
I had the impression that Trillian wasn't too keen on the Republic anyway, or am I remembering something from a previous iteration?

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Sharon, is looking to hand the Mongols an unambiguous defeat and maybe tip the scales toward a Jade Falcon clan that is more in line with her Grandfather's stories of what they should be by delivering that defeat, and thus, damaging Malvina's influence as a legitimate leader.
And incidentally weaken them in the event that Malvina holds on to power?

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Sentiments are, shall we say, mixed.  Kowloon's got a Falcon-derived minority that are patriotic and respected members of society, and is governed by a woman whose legal family tree leaves her at 1/4  Bloodhouse Roshak, she has enough of the right DNA to (using the Kell Precedent and the Diana Pryde precedent) challenge for a bloodname...
Now that's a twist I hadn't though of!  :o
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Grognard on 30 October 2020, 21:40:25
history's shortest challenge for a Bloodname.

"Ah. A Ngo.  Thank you for calling ... And what is your bid for this trial?"

Oh, not much... just 16 KKVs targetted at your circle of equals.  they're due to impact in ...

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Giovanni Blasini on 30 October 2020, 22:08:28
jumpship and warship commanders who could not calculate a transitory jump point, engineering officers who couldn't balance the magnetics in a powerplant, and weapons officers who could not balance thermal output or explain procedures for manual targeting were relieved immediately.

One thing I do want to ask is about the "who could not calculate a transitory jump point".  Under the rules, standard jump points can be calculated from tables, and don't need a computer (no mention of using a basic calculator is mentioned, but I assume that, given the proper tables, the math can be done on paper with a pencil without calculators).

What can't be done without a computer, though, is calculating a transitory jump point.  Yes, I get that in Ngoverse, there are savants who suffer from TDS who apparently can do so, but that would be something that's essentially impossible under the rules, and isn't necessarily that vital a talent for a WarShip commander to have, so I'm curious as to whether Sharon Ngo is requiring her JumpShip and WarShip captains to essentially be superhuman or not.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 22:22:56
One thing I do want to ask is about the "who could not calculate a transitory jump point".  Under the rules, standard jump points can be calculated from tables, and don't need a computer (no mention of using a basic calculator is mentioned, but I assume that, given the proper tables, the math can be done on paper with a pencil without calculators).

What can't be done without a computer, though, is calculating a transitory jump point.  Yes, I get that in Ngoverse, there are savants who suffer from TDS who apparently can do so, but that would be something that's essentially impossible under the rules, and isn't necessarily that vital a talent for a WarShip commander to have, so I'm curious as to whether Sharon Ngo is requiring her JumpShip and WarShip captains to essentially be superhuman or not.

comes down to knowing/understanding the equations.  minus a magical computer that can invent its own mathematics and observations without human inputs, those navigation computers and tables had to be calculated by someone, by hand in order for the programs to be written in the first place.

if an officer can't do that, then his crew is at the mercy of a contractor who got the job on the lowest bidder.  The idea is intended to reflect what we earthbound people would call 'basic seamanship in the age of sail'-the examples being extrapolated;  if your captain can't plot a jump point without having the math handed to him from what is, essentially, a recording made centuries before he was born, he's not qualified to be Captain, in the same way that a 19th century navigator who can't read a clock or star chart and doesn't know where the pole star is isn't qualified to navigate or be the captain.

Being able to read observations of a solar system and calculate where the neutral points are isn't 'superhuman' it's 'basic astronomy in the 26th century'-the kind that might be taught to school children if they're particularly bright.

I mean, we're talking about ships that by necessity have hubble-level telescopes just as fitted equipment here, in a society that has access to practical laser weapons on the personal scale-the optics are cheap enough to make disposable weapons grade lasers (See: FM Draconis Combine).

If your ship captain doesn't know basic orbital mechanics and high school physics, he's not qualified to command a billion Kroner worth of jumpship, regardless of whether he cuts a rakish figure in his dress uniform and can name every Archon since the founding.

also; the TDS thing doesn't confer much of a magical advantage, so much as reduce your chances of being smeared into interstellar subatomic particles for screwing up.  Per "The Rules" there's a numerical penalty for calculating non-standard points or conducting in-system jumps.  TDS cases have less of a penalty than normies.  It doesn't negate entirely, but when the numbers get down into that 'round off or you'll be doing this next century' range, they're more likely to round it in the right direction.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Intermittent_Coherence on 30 October 2020, 22:58:45
If I'm reading this right, there are transitory points, and there are transitory points.

Calculating one amongst the moon system of a gas giant is probably impossible without a computer, but a simpler one like the one between the local star and one of its planets would probably have sufficed for the impromptu test.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 23:03:41
If I'm reading this right, there are transitory points, and there are transitory points.

Calculating one amongst the moon system of a gas giant is probably impossible without a computer, but a simpler one like the one between the local star and one of its planets would probably have sufficed for the impromptu test.

bingo.  "If you can't calculate a point as well as a pirate navigator, you have no business in charge of a cruiser."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Giovanni Blasini on 30 October 2020, 23:09:31
comes down to knowing/understanding the equations.  minus a magical computer that can invent its own mathematics and observations without human inputs, those navigation computers and tables had to be calculated by someone, by hand in order for the programs to be written in the first place.

if an officer can't do that, then his crew is at the mercy of a contractor who got the job on the lowest bidder.  The idea is intended to reflect what we earthbound people would call 'basic seamanship in the age of sail'-the examples being extrapolated;  if your captain can't plot a jump point without having the math handed to him from what is, essentially, a recording made centuries before he was born, he's not qualified to be Captain, in the same way that a 19th century navigator who can't read a clock or star chart and doesn't know where the pole star is isn't qualified to navigate or be the captain.

Quick, without a table, tell me the relative motion between Sol and Jupiter, and where their L1 Lagrange point is.

Now, tell me the same data for Gliese 581 and Gliese 581b.

Want something simpler?  Cool: tell me the depth of all possible entry points into Navy Base Kitsap.  Or Yokosuka.

Professionals still look these things up.  They don't have them all memorized.  There's a reason why in StratOps, on page 88, it says two key things:


Even for or standard points, you're still going to need to know the class of star and its magnitude.  Sure, in theory, you could take measurements of the star itself, look at its spectral lines to figure out what class it is, and its surface temperature, and use that to guestimate your distance to it, and then plot a standard jump point using that.

It's also worth noting the amount of time required to make those jump calculations to standard points.  With a jump computer, it's (2D6 - MoS) x 10 minutes, with the usual modifiers.  Without a computer, it's (2D6 - MoS) hours.  For a standard jump point.

A transient jump point in another star system, though, without a computer, without charts, without weeks, or even years of observational data?  It beggars disbelief.

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Being able to read observations of a solar system and calculate where the neutral points are isn't 'superhuman' it's 'basic astronomy in the 26th century'-the kind that might be taught to school children if they're particularly bright.

I disagree.  Optics are optics, and the telescopes being carried by JumpShips and even WarShips are simply not good enough to be able to gather that kind of data within a short enough window to make it reasonable, even in the 26th Century.  That's not the kind of observations you make for a couple hours.  That's beyond simply days.  That's weeks, months, or even years of observational data of star systems light years away, painstakingly run through algorithms to try to compare those observations and be able to accurately plot the course of planet-sized objects.

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I mean, we're talking about ships that by necessity have hubble-level telescopes just as fitted equipment here, in a society that has access to practical laser weapons on the personal scale-the optics are cheap enough to make disposable weapons grade lasers (See: FM Draconis Combine).

And Hubble-level telescopes still make multiple observations, over the course of days, weeks or years to gather data up.

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If your ship captain doesn't know basic orbital mechanics and high school physics, he's not qualified to command a billion Kroner worth of jumpship, regardless of whether he cuts a rakish figure in his dress uniform and can name every Archon since the founding.

Cannonshop, I know basic orbital mechanics, and college physics, and have made astronomical observations as an amateur, and years of calculus.  Given a better understanding of what's required, or even just memorizing the table on page 86 of Strat Ops, I could probably figure out the proximity distance and make the calculations for a standard jump point. No argument here that a JumpShip captain should be able to do that.

Trying to calculate out a transitory jump point around Gliese 581b, when we can't even determine whether it has any natural satellites?  I do not believe it to be possible, and the rules back that up.

I mean, it's fine, it's your story, and if you want to state that Battletech optics are good enough to pick up a 30-kilometer diameter rock from a distance of 30 light years and know where that rock's gonna be at any given time after looking at it for a week from 30 light-years away aboard a 200-year-old JumpShip, that's fine.  If you then say the mathematical ability to make the necessary calculations for that jump can be done on the back of a napkin in less than a week is high-school level math in the 32nd Century, that's fine too.  I'm saying that it goes well beyond what's actually supported in the canon and, for me, it stretches my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

If I'm reading this right, there are transitory points, and there are transitory points.

Calculating one amongst the moon system of a gas giant is probably impossible without a computer, but a simpler one like the one between the local star and one of its planets would probably have sufficed for the impromptu test.

Which would almost be fine, if they're stationed in that system, because those are all known.  I mean, it's still blatantly prohibited by the rules, but it's still an order of magnitude less than doing it for a star system you're not in.

bingo.  "If you can't calculate a point as well as a pirate navigator, you have no business in charge of a cruiser."

Fun fact: in canon, pirate navigators use computers and detailed navigational charts/data to calculate pirate points, just like everyone else.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 23:38:20
Three and a half years ago, Snark orbit, Sithers-deen repair yard...

Eva Von Jankmon-Deen02  floated over the haphazard assembly frame looking at 'her baby'.  The daughter of a daughter of a woman who emigrated to the Rocks in despair after the Abjuration of nearly a Galaxy of Jade Falcon troops, in her grandmother's time, she would have been chosen for the Scientist Caste.  As it was, she grew up among people for whom ships literally were the only lifeline, and planets were something to be avoided as dangerous, uncontrolled environments filled with toxins and hazards, exposed to radiation, and cultivators of disease and conflict.

not that there was no conflict among Rockjacks and their cousins, just that it wasn't the same sort of insanity that infested the populations of planets.

for all that, she was a patriot, in her own mind.  Kowloon was her HOME after all.  the System, not the planet, but even so, Sharon Ngo was her Duchess, and Kowloon's heritage was as close to her heart, as her mother's Von Jankmon heritage.

The ship under construction was not supposed to be possible, much less exist.  The core was forged in a slightly different braiding pattern, using a slightly altered alloy structure.  Testing (and by testing we mean 'generations of improvising to keep old ships running in the belts') broke down to a series of equations that differed from those handed down by Old Earth to her colonists.

The braiding would allow standard 30 light year jumps, and the mass and volume were little different from that of a 'compact' jump core.  The only difference, was that this one was extruded and forged slightly differently, using a slightly  different alloy and braiding structure. It would be more resistant to temperature fluctuation, easier to cool and require less refrigerated gas to keep it operating, and it would be right around 2 percent more efficient to charge.  Theoretically with a longer life between refits, and a faster uptake from LF battery capacitors.

Shortage drives innovation.  The core was laid down first, and it was bigger than the cores of the mothball cutters from the plague  era quarantine fleet.  Weapons would be difficult to obtain without being noticed.  Her Grace had quietly agreed to fund the project, as a preparation for oncoming chaos, but it would take at least two more years to finish...

Today...

The 'Sampan IV' prototype wasn't anything like its antecedents, except in the name and origin.  Nominally, she displaced several times the volume of hydrogen that the Sampan II or Sampan III cutters displaced, and in terms of mass, she was closer to a destroyer than she had any right to be.

The main battery consisted of a multi-cell VLS missile array along the port and starboard hull sides, with the secondary batteries being essentially light naval gauss rifles installed in ring-turrets, giving the ship 360 degree coverage from each end, for a total of eight of the big weapons, with point-defense cannons mounted in extensible boom turrets.

using the ship's full battery of weapons, it could hammer with the power of a cruiser twice its mass, but only to one arc at a time.  The compromises dipped into the power distribution/cooling arrays, relying on 'single' heat sinks that were less efficient, but more compact, than Clan doubles.  A lot of the ship's systems mass was sunken into electronic warfare, communication, and extensive sensor systems to provide the targeting and coordination for this 'squadron leader' design to best serve in a flagship role, allowing the Coast Guards (and now the LCN) to conduct 'wall of battle' with inferior, smaller, less numerous designs...which is good, since production of modern warships has been stalled until 3046, and the LCN Fleet is essentially a collection of near-museum pieces supplemented by assault dropships and vain hopes.

The LCS Duchess Elizabeth Ngo wasn't just an innovation, she was a collection of innovations culled from abandoned concepts dating back centuries, wrapped around a jump core designed to be compact and cheap.

Admiral Sharon Ngo didn't choose a Mjolnir or Fox class as her flag vessel, because those would be more useful on the front lines.  she chose the buggy prototype, because it wasn't as formidable as the rest of the capital grade vessels, and also because she understood what it was for in a way that a regular LCN officer would not.

"Emergence waves detected."

she leaned back, sucking electrolyte water from a spigot in her helmet, "Here it comes ladies and gentlemen."

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 30 October 2020, 23:51:57
Quick, without a table, tell me the relative motion between Sol and Jupiter, and where their L1 Lagrange point is.

Now, tell me the same data for Gliese 581 and Gliese 581b.

Want something simpler?  Cool: tell me the depth of all possible entry points into Navy Base Kitsap.  Or Yokosuka.

Professionals still look these things up.  They don't have them all memorized.  There's a reason why in StratOps, on page 88, it says two key things:

  • "Non-standard points cannot be calculated if a navigation computer is unavailable."
  • "Transient points require detailed charts of the destination system."

Even for or standard points, you're still going to need to know the class of star and its magnitude.  Sure, in theory, you could take measurements of the star itself, look at its spectral lines to figure out what class it is, and its surface temperature, and use that to guestimate your distance to it, and then plot a standard jump point using that.

It's also worth noting the amount of time required to make those jump calculations to standard points.  With a jump computer, it's (2D6 - MoS) x 10 minutes, with the usual modifiers.  Without a computer, it's (2D6 - MoS) hours.  For a standard jump point.

A transient jump point in another star system, though, without a computer, without charts, without weeks, or even years of observational data?  It beggars disbelief.

I disagree.  Optics are optics, and the telescopes being carried by JumpShips and even WarShips are simply not good enough to be able to gather that kind of data within a short enough window to make it reasonable, even in the 26th Century.  That's not the kind of observations you make for a couple hours.  That's beyond simply days.  That's weeks, months, or even years of observational data of star systems light years away, painstakingly run through algorithms to try to compare those observations and be able to accurately plot the course of planet-sized objects.

And Hubble-level telescopes still make multiple observations, over the course of days, weeks or years to gather data up.

Cannonshop, I know basic orbital mechanics, and college physics, and have made astronomical observations as an amateur, and years of calculus.  Given a better understanding of what's required, or even just memorizing the table on page 86 of Strat Ops, I could probably figure out the proximity distance and make the calculations for a standard jump point. No argument here that a JumpShip captain should be able to do that.

Trying to calculate out a transitory jump point around Gliese 581b, when we can't even determine whether it has any natural satellites?  I do not believe it to be possible, and the rules back that up.

I mean, it's fine, it's your story, and if you want to state that Battletech optics are good enough to pick up a 30-kilometer diameter rock from a distance of 30 light years and know where that rock's gonna be at any given time after looking at it for a week from 30 light-years away aboard a 200-year-old JumpShip, that's fine.  If you then say the mathematical ability to make the necessary calculations for that jump can be done on the back of a napkin in less than a week is high-school level math in the 32nd Century, that's fine too.  I'm saying that it goes well beyond what's actually supported in the canon and, for me, it stretches my suspension of disbelief to the breaking point.

Which would almost be fine, if they're stationed in that system, because those are all known.  I mean, it's still blatantly prohibited by the rules, but it's still an order of magnitude less than doing it for a star system you're not in.

Fun fact: in canon, pirate navigators use computers and detailed navigational charts/data to calculate pirate points, just like everyone else.[/list]

I think we're kind of talking past each other, Gio.  The issue here, is me not being clear.

The passage in question, that you raised?

'manual' has different meanings in a society as advanced as the Inner Sphere.  Basically, the idea is, the test comes down to I hand officer "Von X" the observations of a given system, including sensor data, and the order to calculate a non-standard insertion using basic tools (this is 'manual' when you're talking this level of equipment, the equivalent would be calculating a lunar insertion using slide-rules as they did in 1969.)

if he can't do that, or if his solutions are completely wrong (because the examiner has a list of 'right answers' and he doesn't), then he's relieved.  Normally this job would be done off a set of menu database items-push a button, the computer does it for you off a list of pre-set solutions.  What we're testing for, is 'can you program the solution?'

Now, while you or I might not be expected to do this because (ta-DAaa) we don't have to do it for a living, a starship captain SHOULD be expected to, because it's part of his job description in the same way that being able to use a sextant and telescope when the clock's on the fritz to determine longitude and latitude was a basic skill of seamanship in the 19th century and a captain who couldn't, wasn't qualified to be a Captain.

what Sharon's 'inquisition' was looking to remove, were people who got the rank and position by bribery, coercion, corruption, nepotism, and apathy-iow officers who let their skills rust or didn't have them to begin with, because they had pre-set coordinates to use instead sitting in a navigation database that they never checked for accuracy.  She's removing officers who aren't qualified to do their jobs but are too senior to put through remedial training. 

there is precedent for this in history, of course, I turned it up to 11 here.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 01:17:15
There hadn't been a Fleet Action like this since the fall of Terra, and yet, it wasn't so extensive that it couldn't happen again.

Despite her best efforts, and the efforts of the Commonwealth's current ally of convenience, fully half the Falcon Fleet had slipped the trap, escaping the Gibbs system.

"This is a great victory, Admiral, I am pleased to be a part of it."  Star Commodore Ivan Fetladral congratulated her over comms when the last of the enemy's major vessels were confirmed to be well away from Gibbs.

"No, this was a defeat and a ****** up." Sharon stated.  "At best, at best it's a draw.  Half the enemy's fleet, including their flagship, got away." her eyes on the screen were cold and hard, her tone sharp and reeking of disappointment.  "Instead of neutralizing their navy, we just taught them how to fight us."

Nobody had an argument for that.

***

November 3, Tharkad...

Back home on Kowloon, November is start of the truly warm months, this year would be a high summer year, with both suns at closest approach and an average temperature in the Nha Tranh area of forty five degrees celsius throughout the 30 hour daylight period.

On Tharkad, it's late fall and into early Winter, on a world much, much colder.

"At the founding, there were nine archons, this went on until Archon Basileus Marsden threw the other eight down." Trillian was explaining.

"I took history class in grade school." Sharon commented, "We can also look at the precedent of Archonettes and the walking mistake of Tamari LaRue."  her skinsuit came with built in insulation and heaters, leaving only her face and head exposed to Tharkad's frigid, damp air, as they walked up the steps of the Royal Palace.  "So you're a tributary to the Wolf Empire now." Sharon added.

"So are you." Trillian told her, and Sharon simply nodded grudging assent.

The Khan of the Wolf Empire was waiting inside, "Welcome home, Trillian." he said, "apologies for the condition of the place, we cleaned it up but..."

"It's fine." Trillian said. "This is Admiral Sharon Ngo, you mentioned a desire to meet with her in person."

"Khan Ward." Sharon nodded, not quite bowing but also pointedly not saluting.

"Admiral." he returned the abbreviated courtesy.  "Star Commodore Fetladral had good things to say about you."

"I'm sure they're exaggerated." she said, "he was kinda cute for a skinny dude, but a little too eager to take the battle at Gibbs as a win."

"You contend it was not?"

"We lost around a third of our ships for only half the enemy task force destroyed." she stated, "it was a ****** disaster-they got our measure, they won't fall for the same thing again.  this wasn't jutland, it was Savo Island.  I'm not sure they're going to give us enough time to make up the losses and we were in pretty bad shape when it kicked off."



Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 01:57:12
Ripples...

One of the results of Wolf intervention at Gibbs, was that the Wolf Empire gained access to warship-grade shipyard facilities much, much, closer than the Sea Foxes.

The other knock-on, was a pushing back of Falcon influence, creating a buffer zone between where Reinhardt Steiner's offensive began, and where it ended.  The net result being that the Lyran Commonwealth looks LESS like a barbell.

The final knock-on being an accord reached between Trillian and Alaric.  On Wolf Empire maps, the rest of the commonwealth is now colored a lighter shade of the same brown, and this is acceptable with the Commonwealth's new status as a semi-autonomous protectorate of Clan Wolf.

For the first time since Katherine, Lyrans were tributary to another empire.  That said empire is ruled from Skye instead of New Avalon, or Terra, is beside the point.  The ongoing threat of the Falcon ordun and the remnant realm's impoverished, damaged, state has left little in terms of options save a fall into irrelevance followed by being devoured anyway.  This compromise state at least allows something like a State to continue to exist-even if it is as a tributary protectorate subject to the will of the Khan of the Wolf Empire.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 07:08:58
Lyran Commonwealth Navy commissioning report 3147...

Active Naval Yards:

Gibbs Commonwealth Naval Shipyard

Boojum Naval Shipyard (Kowloon)



Total Hulls in Commission by Class:

Mjolnir Class:

LCS Yggsdrasil
LCS Wotan (Undergoing Refit/Repair post battle, Gibbs NSY, estimated completion date 06/47)

Fox Class:

LCS Peter Marsden
LCS Persistent (Undergoing refit/repair at Gibbs NSY Est. Complete date 04/47)
LCS Katherine Steiner
LCS Robert Marsden (Undergoing Refit/Repair at Gibbs NSY Estimated Complete 06/47)

Duchess Class Light Destroyer

LCS Duchess Elizabeth Ngo
LCS Duchess Margaret Doons (Boojum Yards, Kowloon, Estimated completion date 07/48)

Foreign vessels under repair:

CWS Bloody Fang-Gibbs NSY complex 4, estimated completion 03/47
CWS Jerome Winson-Gibbs NSY complex 2, estimated complete date 02/47
CWS Rogue-Gibbs NSY complex 5, estimated complete date 01/47

Vessels on order:

Mjolnir Class

Fenris-Foreign contract to Clan Wolf, Estimated 30% complete, Delivery date 09/50
Heimdall- 33% complete, Delivery Date 06/50 (Estimated)

Fox Class:

0 hulls ordered, Contract pending, funds allotted for 4 additional vessels

Duchess (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/aerospace/landmark-heavy-destroyer-unsolicited/) Class:

LCS Duke Morgan Kell-Core completed, hull at 15% complete, Delivery Date 08/48
LCS Duchess Debra MacAulliffe-Core complete, Hull 45% complete, Delivery Date 07/47
LCS Duke Ceasar Steiner-Core Complete, Hull 20% complete, Delivery Date 08/47
LCS Duke Graydon Brewer-Core Complete, Hull at 30%, Delivery Date 06/47

Funding approval for 12 additional vessels Pending.

Foreign export sales: Blocked.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: kindalas on 31 October 2020, 09:40:00
I wonder if it is time for a Frederick Steiner that fits this iteration.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 09:50:42
From: Ngo, Sharon E., Fleet Admiral/CNO Lyran Commonwealth Navy
To: Steiner-Davion, Trillian Archon, Lyran Commonwealth
CC: Ward, Alaric (Steiner) Archon, Lyran Commonwealth/Khan, Wolf Empire
Steiner, Rheinhardt, Commanding General, Lyran Commonwealth Armed Forces

RE: Administrative Efficiencies.

I'm Done.  Appoint who you want, but I'm done, stepping down now.  I can not and will not serve multiple masters with conflicting strategic objectives, directives, and procurement systems.  It is not my place to tell you to get your shit together and decide which war we're fighting, who's in charge, or what the end-state goals are, nor am I inclined to be a participant in fratricidal civil war conflict while you emulate Victor and Katherine with less money and more blood in order to settle a simple matter of chain of command.

In the last six months since the battle of Gibbs, I have been presented with a constant stream of conflicting instructions, sometimes (often) presented by the same Liaison officers, bombarded in my office by rent-seeking nobles and unqualifed trueborns seeking command positions in the reorganized naval branch, often bearing letters or orders from each of your offices.  I have been bombarded by petitioners and my staff have had their operations repeatedly interrupted. 

The most recent such interference has come with demands that existing construction programs be altered to serve as transport vessels for ground units-a role that is not in deficit with either LCAF formations, nor Clan Wolf's Touman.  Additionally, letters of requisition from LCAF, Clan Wolf, and associated agencies have transferred naval stores to unknown locations, only for those items (tracked by stock number) to appear later on merchandise sites for sale to the arms market.  When evidence has been presented, Lohengrin and LIC have essentially laughed off those concerns or have presented walls marked 'Classified' with the authority of your respective offices.

It is not within the remit of this office, to pursue and shut down these blatant problems, I don't have the authorization or authority, and I don't have the time to waste.  Since this is wasting time, and is fundamental to the poor performance exhibited by line forces under my supervision, the fault must, by simple elimination, lie with me.

So, I'm done.  Get someone else, I resign.

Sharon Elizabeth Ngo
FORMER Chief of Naval Operations,
Lyran Commonwealth Navy.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Brother Jim on 31 October 2020, 12:40:57
Watching.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 14:31:40
Trillian was, to put it gently, furious.

"Where is she??"

"Your Majesty, Admiral Ngo left something for you."  a nervous, lower-rank enlisted had the balls to speak up.

"Give it to me, do you know where she went?"

"No Majesty." he said, "I was specifically instructed to give this to you, and to no-one else."

the packet was thick, stiff, and surprisingly heavy.

"you may go...Corporal?"

"THANKYOUMAJESTY!!" he saluted again, almost with a vibration, before fleeing the offices.

"Steel balls on that one." She commented, "Get his name, I want to put him up for promotion."

she stepped around Sharon's former desk, and sat down, before opening the packet.

It was a document-hardcopy, fine, almost onionskin like pages of plast, with a coversheet.

Proposition One:
A Guideline for Necessary Reforms in the Lyran Commonwealth Navy
and Marine Corps
In preparation for the next one hundred years.

The second page was a dense collection of attributions to staff, authors, and thinkers.

The third page was a table of contents and index with annotations cross-referencing other documents, regulations and even military contracts.

"Where did you go?" Trillian huffed, but she also began to read.


The answer to her question would not arrive for another fifteen months.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 31 October 2020, 15:08:53
Fifteen months?  Did no one think to check Kowloon for that long?

And if not, dang.  At least Agamemnon knew where to find Achilles's tent.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 15:16:31
Fifteen months?  Did no one think to check Kowloon for that long?

And if not, dang.  At least Agamemnon knew where to find Achilles's tent.

A solar system is a big place and I'll bet that if Sharon is in the Kowloon system, she's not on the planet itself.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 15:24:15
Rim Territories...

There was no warning given at all.  No rumours of a punitive expedition, no suggestion that this level of violence was about to descend.

It's been more than a generation since the last time, and there had been no signs of intelligence agents pursuing them.

It began, with the jumpships, and simultaneous strikes.

Fighters scrambled, with no better target than 'out there somewhere'.

that's when the kinetic kill weapons rained down on spaceports containing dropships.

Main Street, Engadine, were the first hit.  Every ship at the jump points, and everything in orbit, and everything capable of orbit were being hit, with no better target than 'somewhere out there'.

but it spread out from there, until only Pain, and The Rack..and then, it arrived there, too.

it is impossible to maintain a pirate realm, without ships.  The ability to maintain those ships went the same time those ships were crippled or destroyed, effectively, the Rim Territories and their Bandit-King Overlords were cut off from the outside world, as even HPG systems (which, strangely, had NOT been blinded by whatever blacked out the network) were struck as well.

as each local lord got organized, and tried to restore order?

well, that's when the rocks started falling.

48 hours after it began, most of the worlds of the Rim Territories were rendered borderline uninhabitable with dust clouds and volcanic gasses, and the scourge of the Lyran border and periphery of the Free Worlds League was...removed.  a memory.  rendered in the past-tense.

Regiments of 'mechwarriors can do nothing when the sky falls.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 31 October 2020, 15:44:15
Ouch - dark.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 16:07:15
Somewhere z-axis 37 Light Years from Coventry...

"Feeling better, Punkin?"  Patrick Ngo was in his eighties.  "Did you sleep okay?"

Sharon stretched and unlocked her rigging strap from the sleep-pod.  "Yes, uncle, thank you for your hospitality."

"You got a taste of it, but not a taste for it, ayeh?" he asked.

"you could say I have seen the elephant and turned away." she told him.  "You were right, they're hopeless."

"Maybe not entirely right.  So what brought my Niece to the point she would resign her comission and spend eight months looking for me?" he inquired, it was the same question every time.

"What's the job today?" she deflected.

"We're prospecting on a colloid, looking for light elements and useful carbon compounds, unless you want another shift in the greenhouse?"

"I'll do the mining." she asserted.  "I need to break something."

"Still angry, huh?"

she nodded.  "Still angry.  Still Disappointed."

"You know you need to go home." he told her.  "To Kowloon, eventually."

"They're better off without me." she said, "I made a mess of things, Uncle.  I tried to fix the mess Mom left, and I made it so much worse."

"It can't be that big a mistake." he told her.

"It's big enough.  I sent my...the guy, you know? the one who fit me? I sent him off to fight a war, and took a job for the Archon, only she decided she didn't need to be the boss and bent the knee to the Wolves, and then, I couldn't even do my job."

"Politics? Mom was always pretty good at that, and your mother was too." he told her.

"I suck at it.  Every call was just one more disaster.  When I managed to get things to go right there it would pop up again, some order signed by one of the Archons, or from their staff, interfering, changing, making changes, and then, there's the corruption!"

"Mom hated that too.  I think it's why she stayed as far from the Throne as they would let her." He noted.

"I should've." she groaned, "but I didn't, I was losing my damned mind down there."

"Dad would be disappointed." he told her, "He was pissed off enough about me choosing this life over what he called my 'responsibilities'...but you need to go home.  You resigned, you've spent an admittedly lovely six months out here with me, but you're The Duchess of Kowloon."

"this is leading up to something."

"Yeah. I know you won't go on your own, so I'm going to take you home." he told her, "And I guess we'll visit and try to lend a hand undoing the mess you've no doubt caused by storming off into the deep black instead of going back where you belong."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: eriktheviking on 31 October 2020, 16:17:42
I did wonder if the Rim attack was a Falcon training exercise.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 16:29:04
I was assuming it was Sharon right up until the saturation rockfall began, but now yes I think it sounds like Malvina trying to practice for hitting Kowloon
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: georgiaboy on 31 October 2020, 16:42:20
It's the omnicidal Aliens from Planet X.....
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 31 October 2020, 18:05:29
I was assuming it was Sharon right up until the saturation rockfall began, but now yes I think it sounds like Malvina trying to practice for hitting Kowloon
I thought it was the Lyrans or wolves trying out Sharon's suggestions.. right up till the saturation rockfalls.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 18:27:00
KCGS ia Drang, Landmark (https://bg.battletech.com/forums/aerospace/landmark-heavy-destroyer-unsolicited/) class Heavy Cutter December, 3149...

In LCN service, she would be a block 2 Duchess Class.  While the orders had continued, the Boojum shipyards had kept expanding slips, and building 'duplicate part sets' with a slight padding of the contract, the extra components (both duplicates unneeded, and 'factory seconds' that could be repaired) were diverted to the secondary assembly site orbiting Boojum's second moon, well within the gas giant's ring system and blocked from most non-optical observation by the gas giant's cranky RF growl and thermal bloom.

This gave Kowloon the perfect excuse to expand the Coast Guard's cutter force-well, this, and the executive order from the Archon laying supplemental training and recruitment duties on the system's local government.

so Linda Minh, whose last command had been a seventy five thousand ton cutter that sank a battleship, is now riding high in a proper capital ship hidden under an innocuous name as part of the 13th Coast Guard Squadron, a unit technically detailed to provide emergency response and law enforcement services in the deep Kowloon Oort, where even the twin suns were little more than slightly brighter pinpricks in the starry distance more than one light hour away.

"Emergence wave portside, positive Z-axis thirty degrees, five thousand kilometers out.  Class Three."

class three. son of a bitch.

"shift to black-box comm on all channels, fighters and shuttles away on emcon, cold thrust only, and take our lights down."

"Aye mum."

There are shoes that, in a gravity well, drop.  Since entering the war and being seen, Kowloon had been waiting for that second shoe-a Jade Falcon punitive strike.

"Telescope, do we have visual?"

"Visual now...she's a Potemkin class, red-orange reflective coating, count is eleven combat dropships...son of a bitch.  She's a Hell's Horses boat, rigged for fleet action."

"Send to Thirteen Squadron, rally on me, mirror send to Ten Squadron and base, send still imagery."

"Aye mum."

"Also, General Quarters, general quarters, this is not a drill, set all stations to condition one, battle stations, depressurize in three, two...one."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 31 October 2020, 18:43:42
Fun times ahead. Loony type of fun times.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 31 October 2020, 18:50:13
Hi Sharon!  While you were the Coast Guard bought you a pony so you wouldn't get sad and run away again. ^-^
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 31 October 2020, 18:55:33
good news about the coasties building proper warships.. when the Wolf-Lyran partnership's fleets get wiped out because of incompetence and corruption, Sharon and Kowloon will be in better position to ride to the rescue in a BDH moment followed by a "i told you so, but you didn't listen"
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 18:58:59
First Skirmish,  Battle of Kowloon, 3149...

Attacking forces:

mixed Clan Jade Falcon and Hell's Horses
CHS Armageddon

3 Carrier class carrier dropships
2 Triumph Pocket Warships
5 Noruff Class assault dropships
3 Clan-Refit Mule Pocket Warships
5 Overlord A3
3 Miraborg fighter carriers
2 Outpost Class dropships


Defenders:

(Initially)
KCGS Ia Drang
18 SL-19 variant Slayer heavy fighters
2 Electronic warfare modified Mk VII

(Reinforcements)

KCGS Isthmus Da Nang Landmark Class
18 Fighters, 2 Smallcraft
KCGS Minsky's Folly Landmark Class
18 Fighters, 2 Smallcraft
KCGS Golden Lake Landmark Class
18 Fighters, 2 Smallcraft

Cutters:

KCGS Charles Vanh Sampan Block III*
KCGS Coriander Deen Sampan Block III*
KCGS John Sithers Sampan Block III*
KCGS Sarah Jennings Sampan Block III*

KCGS Tranh Truk Ngo Sampan Block III*
KCGS Janice Hoang Sampan Block III
KCGS Arnold Knickerbocker II Sampan Block II
KCGS Allison Graften Sampan Block II

Note: Sampan Block III* units carry 12 SB-27 fighters and 2 small craft to act as electronic warfare units.  Smallcraft can be reconfigured in minutes to serve as cargo, fuel, or passenger/marine assault platforms.

The attackers' plan

CHS Armageddon is here to set up a forward strike on the Kowloon system, specifically the naval shipyard near Boojum 3.  in keeping with 'learning lessons' their cargo bay is loaded with several hundred kinetic kill vehicles meant to be deployed in the outer system and set into motion ahead of the main thrust, while the virtual fleet of combat dropships is here to protect the main ship and conduct strikes and raiding against any forward-located comm relay, monitoring station, or unescorted dropships and/or commercial jumpships entering the system or attempting to leave.  The size of the mission dictated the size of the unit sent, in this case, a vast area needed to be secured for the incoming invasion force.

The choice of emergence was intended to take advantage of a cometary event that would (it was estimated by Falcon planners) obscure the arrival of the pre invasion party by scattering most detection signals along a multi-million kilometer frontage.  Unfortunately, the Coast Guard were conducting sensor exercises in that area.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 19:12:15
Overview: what the hell is going on? (what the Hell's Horses is going on?)

The Hell's Horses/Falcon Alliance fractured back in the 30s, but sometimes fractures just don't stick, and the Horses in the 32nd century are all about that taking any advantage they can get.

Malvina offered really nice terms and there was, up until 3146, no reason to believe that warships would be needed as anything more than glorified fire-support bombers-after all, the Lyran Fleet was both crippled, and moribund, they weren't at feud currently with Clan Ghost Bear on their other border, and...well...the Falcons under Malvina had adopted their brand new philosophy, even improved on it, and better still, was having roaring success kicking the everloving dogsnot out of all comers with it.

To understand the situation requires some understanding of history-in particular, why Moussolini chose to line  up with the Third Reich for World War Two, or why Vidkun Quisling really thought the Germans had the right idea in that same conflict, even with loads of evidence that there were glaring flaws in the whole idea of fighting the entire rest of the world.

IOW, they still think they're on the winning side, and that being on the losing side is a fatally bad idea.  The roughly equal showing at Gibbs did not dissuade this impression, especially since it took both Lyran and Wolf navies to pull what amounted to a rough draw in casualties.

nonetheless, they are keenly aware of the effectiveness of the ongoing commerce-raiding campaign, and would really like to hurt the people who keep blowing up their merchant and logistical shipping-so there's a bit of a personal grudge there.

Mathematically, there's a problem.  none of the invading clans (except the Snow Ravens) bothered to build shipyards capable of servicing warships, and the nearest one belongs to the Sea Foxes...or to their opponents.  thus, only sending one ship, instead of a proper battlegroup.

As Elizabeth Ngo once infamously said, "If you can't afford to lose it, you can't afford to use it."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 19:16:31
@Cannonshop what is your version of a kinetic kill projectile - inert & accelerated by it's launching vehicle, or having it's own thruster to get it up to speed? What's the procedure for launching them? Since Ia Drang has seen the arrival, could they in theory see the projectiles launch and transmit vectors that might allow another unit to intercept?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 19:36:39
Overview (continued)

The ability to assemble a significant force quickly to achieve local superiority is the main reason that Kowloon never stood in line for either salvaged, or newly built Pocket Warships.  With over 500 million 'rockjack' or spacer or Belter residents in the system, one inhabited world and outposts/facilities on several moons and such, in addition to the billion and a half planetary Kowloonese, the need to move in the Kowloon binary requires in-system jumps (much like Mizar's system, only imagine the population spread out across that intervening area.)  "Jump Ferries" run between the major facilities/subcolonies and Kowloon, with long-range shuttles where jump ferry service is unavailable.

One knock-on impact of this, is that Kowloon produces a LOT of trained space navigators, pilots, and has a bustling industry in cottage manufacturing in addition to the major industrial centers.  For the majority of Kowloon's history in the Lyran Commonwealth, this cottage industry was more or less equivalent to subsistence level activity with periodic spikes in local wealth due to successful mining claims, and so it went largely unnoticed until the succession of Elizabeth Ngo to the Ducal seat in 3053.

Because of the sheer size of the system, most of the industries produce locally for local customers still, with only a few (like Ngo Industries, Groves Armaments, Ia Drang Aerospace, and a few other third-tier manufacturers) exporting goods for outside capital.

Notably, while major defense contractors still have very little presence in the Kowloon system when taken from the whole of the Lyran Commonwealth, there are ties to most of the ones still in business, as Ngo Industries remains a major tooling and industrial infrastructure consulting firm, providing much of the difficult and complex tooling to the major manufacturers in the Commonwealth (in competition with Krupp of Terra).

Upshot is, the Jade Falcons probably should have sent a bigger force-this isn't a system that's going to fold if you blow up the capital (the last time someone did that, well, the result wasn't what was expected or desired by House Amaris.)

but back to strategy and why Kowloon built small-core jumpships instead of assault dropships or purchasing pocket warships...

To patrol the system requires jumpships.  period.  it takes long enough at newton's speeds that anything LESS covering that much range would need a patrol radius of over two years, or cryosleep capability, and such a government would be unable to enforce their will on the Rockjacks, (or defend against them) as the Rim Worlds eventually found out in 2769.

In relative terms, Kowloon is probably the best place to get skilled combat jumpship crewmen in the entire Lyran Commonwealth (or at least, to recruit candidates), because the Coast Guard has dozens of jumpships constantly doing in-system jumps and jump calculations to nonstandard points and transitory locations.

The addition under Duchess Elizabeth's tenure of black boxes as standard equipment on Cutters negated the need to rig 'temporary transmitters' through jumpship cores for the Coasties (though the training remains in use).

FTL comms, plus FTL local Jump, equals the ability to move large numbers of ships spread out for patrols into a concentrated fist in seconds instead of weeks.  It provides unparalleled responsiveness, and accounts for why a large warship with heavy dropship escort isn't facing a lone 'heavy cutter' in piecemeal to annihilate at leisure.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 19:45:53
@Cannonshop what is your version of a kinetic kill projectile - inert & accelerated by it's launching vehicle, or having it's own thruster to get it up to speed? What's the procedure for launching them? Since Ia Drang has seen the arrival, could they in theory see the projectiles launch and transmit vectors that might allow another unit to intercept?

the Kowloonese model uses a 9 meter penetrator with a simple guidance module, rcs thrusters, and drop tanks to accelerate at 3 gravities for anywhere from 14 days to 30 days.  The penetrator is made of vacuum forged tungsten, depleted uranium, and a carbon-copper mesh jacket to conceal it during the inert, terminal phase after the fuel runs out.  Interception is really only possible in that initial boost phase, after which, the only way it can miss, is either to get a steering command, or to...well...miss.  the entire assembly is dead-rock-simple and costs less than most warship munitions including nukes.

The Jade Falcon version, uses the engines from an aerospace fighter and (again) drop-tanks, and requires assembly at the launching site before deployment.  the hull is a gutted and stripped aerospace frame with a much more expensive and complex computer guidance system, sheathed in Starslab standard armor with a carbon/copper mesh coating.  Due to the much more expensive and complex guidance module, the only way to stop the Clan version, is to access it and tell it to stop.

The Kowloonese version has a miss radius of 100 meters due to vagaries in calculations, the Clan version has a miss radius of 10 meters.

iow like most tech things, The Clan version of the same concept is better...from a certain point of view.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: worktroll on 31 October 2020, 19:59:45
I can see fratricide being an issue ...
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 20:00:03
Thank you.

Looking forward to seeing how this develops. It sounds like the attackers have assumed that they'll have plenty of time to assemble, fuel, & launch their KKVs without interruption and that part of the plan just went out the window. In their place if I can't jump out and try again elsewhere I'd be tempted to launch all my DS and have those with the KKVs try to get a few away while the assault DS cover them. I wouldn't expect the attackers to really underatand how fast the 'Loonies can get reinforcements to help out Ia Drang

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 20:05:39
Interesting things happen when fighters come to the merge in deep space. 

In particular, when six fighter squadrons escorting capital missiles run into ten fighter aerostars and demonstrate that their 'old and broke' designs are still relevant with a combination of Arrow Air-to-air and arrow anti-shipping  aimed at the carriers of those fighters, which are still in the process of separating from their drop-collars and manuevering.

the fighter-launched missiles hit the dropships at about the same point of time that the shells from the Ia Drang's main guns do.

ever seen what happens when you blow up a dropship in contact with a drop-collar?  Raking fire from the destroyer chews a line through the just-releasing Noruff and Carrier class dropships.

it's kind of overkill.  The collar assemblies in three cases hadn't even decoupled yet, so fire and shock transferred right into the warship from the detonation of her embarked dropships, while debris spreads out at high speed, striking neighboring hulls and in a few cases, holing them immediately, while creating a chaff field that fouls point defense sensors...right before the missile spread hits.

This is still the opening volleys, the CAP launched by the Armageddon did not expect to find incoming fire and fighters right outside their launch bays.

They are, however, able to be thankful that the initial hits didn't include thermonuclear weapons.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 20:11:31
The Ia Drang's fighters are escorting the Ia Drang's missiles in?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 20:21:30
The Ia Drang's fighters are escorting the Ia Drang's missiles in?

The Clans still use SLDF doctrine-that means they use smallcraft and fighters to deal with incoming capital missile strikes as their primary point defense.

(See: Sarna.net entry on the White Aerie and the NL-45 smallcraft).  since everyone who knows naval history knows SLDF naval doctrine, and the Coast Guard has an institutional memory of the same, counters would be used-also, Kowloonese pilots be some crazy bastiches.  (speculation; all that spicey food and having a two-year orbital period.)
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 20:27:51
I hadn't realised ASF could enage cap-missiles
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 20:56:47
Forty minutes into the fighting...

Clan crews have long had access to Harjel, a wonderful material that expands and seals things like hull breaches in combat.  Thus, like their Star League Ancestors, they fight with their hulls and life support systems running full atmospheric pressure.

This makes a remarkable number of tasks much, much easier on a warship, and saves a lot of resources on crew training, since you can reliably operate in standard uniform.

There's an unfortunate thing that happens when you do that.

Armor stops weapons...but it doesn't stop all weapons (hence, the use of Harjel layers in hull structures and self-sealing bulkhead doors, blast doors...)

Unfortunately, some things still get through, and if those things are depositing energy in unorganized fashion (known as 'heat') after striking with lots of kinetic force? fires are not unlikely. Nor are translations of shock, since nobody in a thousand years has come up with a kinetic energy sink.

Shock and fires are the enemy of delicate starship systems, even (sometimes especially) military spec systems.

They also don't do good things to unprotected human bodies, such as crewmen and officers in shirt-sleeves uniforms.

The crew of the CHS Armageddon isn't having a nice day.  now facing a continuous bombardment from four Landmark class destroyers while their dropships and fighters are playing blood-tag with Sampan III's, Fast moving fighters, strike fighters, and opposing small-craft, their situation is getting worse.

The tipping point for Star Commodore Israel Dudzinsky comes when that concentrated volley from the locals-who arrived way too fast, appearing already in motion on long range sensors from seemingly nowhere half an hour ago, chewed through the armor on the Armageddon's port aft quarter, setting off shock and explosions in the cooling and fuel systems feeding the ship's main drive, and rupturing one of the liquid helium tanks that cool the jump core.

jumping out would be now, or never.

He turned the key and hit the release switch, sending a signal to the drive controller to return them to the coordinates of the system they last stopped at, because the LF batteries never fail.

ERROR!! ERROR!! ERROR!!

that last salvo had penetrated the housing of the LF batteries, the shaking had been the discharging of all that energy into space...except what was currently superheating the airtight bulkheads and cooking the harjel to brittle consistency.

"NO!!"

the overload and feedback through the power system tripped breakers and burned through fuses, and the Bridge went dark.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 21:06:37
Four hours into the battle...

The enemy's pocket  warships tried to keep fighting, as did their aeropilots, but deprived of landing grounds, and with only a limited life support for the fighters, it was just a matter of time.

meanwhile, the dropships might have been truly mighty war machines when used by surprise in the hands of the Word of Blake seventy years ago, they aren't now.

Combat shuttles returned to the Squadron's ships, to have their electronic warfare pallets offloaded and assault modules installed.

you see, each Sampan class cutter carries 25 infantrymen in powered armor.  These are marines, and they get lots of practice in dynamic entry thanks to frequent drills to resolve emergency calls in the deep belts.

including the occasional criminal or madman who needs to be restrained.

it's easier to kill a man, than to take him alive. Especially in space. Coast Guard marines are trained in both.

The assault shuttles handled their loadout swap in under fifty minutes and moved to engage in 'search and rescue'-aka board and capture operations, while supplemental forces are being rallied and moved forward to rendezvous with additional Marines, medical personnel, and prisoner transport vehicles leased from the various Rockjack communities.

The part of the battle involving capital weapons, starships, fighters, and dropships, is over.  the part involving the safe rescue and recovery of enemy and friendly personnel has just begun.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 21:09:46
Do 'Loonie crews get a share of prize money for capturing enemy ships?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 31 October 2020, 21:42:49
I hadn't realised ASF could enage cap-missiles
it requires careful maneuver to stay in the same hex, iirc.
the Combine actually developed a dedicated point defense fighter in 3068, the SB-31 Saber Defense Special, which packed an XL engine onto the normal Saber frame in order to combine three ER mediums with a trio of laser AMS. it went into production as the SB-31D (which dropped a bit of fuel for more DHS)

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 21:53:00
I thought CapMissiles hit the same turn they were fired though, apart from tele-operated, so how can you intercept them on the tabletop?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Giovanni Blasini on 31 October 2020, 22:33:53
IIRC, friendly units with AMS or other point defense weapons in range of the path the missile would use can engage.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Liam's Ghost on 31 October 2020, 23:43:34
Aerospace craft can choose not to make a standard attack in order to engage capital missiles with their standard weapons. They have to actually roll to hit, and there's a very stiff penalty, but they can take one shot against a missile (or given recent point defense errata, a volley of missiles) that passes within six hexes of them.
 
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 31 October 2020, 23:47:38
Prisoner of War holding camp, Angkor Island, Kowloon, 8 days later...

"...you will notice there are fences, and ditches.  The fences are pretty easy to get through, the ditches are set up to be easy to leave, and hard to get back in.  You can run as far as you like in the jungle, nobody lives here, and the only technology, is the defense turrets surrounding the camp-which, you will want to keep loaded, if you don't want to be a meal for the wildlife.  Ammunition, food, and medicine will be delivered twice a week by air-drop, you'll want to have someone in charge of retrieving it if it falls outside the wire, you will be kept here for the duration, those of you who feel you may wish to return to civilized society will be given a chance to do so, once you've proven you can control your base urges and behave in a civilized manner among yourselves."

The recording recited it on the big-screen. 

"Today, we will begin with an introduction to the local biology and wildlife, and a reiteration of why you want to maintain your camp security..."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 31 October 2020, 23:51:13
That's one way to avoid having lots of manpower tied down guarding prisoners!  >:D
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Dave Talley on 01 November 2020, 00:53:00
hell

the loonies could be making it all up, but the clanners will take the
loonies at their word i think
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Intermittent_Coherence on 01 November 2020, 01:14:10
They're effectively bondsmen anyway. Unless they can somehow argue that the method of their capture was dishonorable, they lost that battle fair and square. What's more, the loonies have been giving the other naval forces a black eye for some time now. As far as the might is right obsessed Clans go, the loonie naval forces are legit.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 02 November 2020, 12:00:33
The Duchess came home at the Snark L1 point.

Kowloon, 8 days after the sinking of the CHS Armageddon...

"It's everything grandma wanted." Sharon said, addressing the Citizen's Assembly.  "Our world governs itself, without needing a 'noble' to muck things up."

she braced her palms on the podium, "You've proven I'm not needed to keep things going here at home.  It's...beautiful in a sense, constitutional government restored after five long centuries dormant.  I didn't do this, you did, I didn't win a great victory against an invader, you did.  and Elizabeth, my grandmother, would be so proud of what you've accomplished!  Proud to be part of it.  But the work isn't finished yet."

she took a deep breath, "We are surrounded by enemies still, the Archon has chosen to bend the knee to a Wolf Empire, the Jade Falcons have degenerated into genocidal maniacs, the Republic of the Sphere is back to doing their sick, diseased tricks, tricks designed to break everyone and bring them to heel under Old Earth's crushing boot once more."

she shuffled a few sheets of flimsy, "It is important to remember, in these times, that we are not alone. There still remain some who would fight for a Nation worthy of their courage, who would sacrifice, if they had a nation worthy of that sacrifice, who would, at the very least, stand with their neighbours against the coming darkness and madness.  Every year, since 3067, someone has brought up on this floor the possibility-the legal possibility, of Kowloon exercising their Section 32 part nine rights and seceding. In the past, I have argued against this, as did my mother, and my grandmother."

she looked at the assembled delegates, "This year, with the introduction of the same bill as last  year, I have nothing to say.  No recommendations.  Should we stay, or should we go?"

She gave an exaggerated shrug, "I don't have an answer.  The time I spent working for Archon Trillian, trying to reform and rebuild a broken service, and the lessons learned dealing with the epidemic, endemic, malignant, pervasive and pernicious mix of incompetence, corruption, nepotism, and apathy on the National level, in the midst of an invading army of degenerate, genocidal maniacs? I refuse to lend my voice either in support of secession, or in support of continuing to support the Commonwealth as the Archon bends the knee and kisses the ring of a Wolf Clan Warlord."

she sighed, "I will honor and support the outcome of this coming vote, regardless of which way it goes, with all the determination left to me, and all of my family's resources...but the choice of staying, or going is not mine to make.  It's yours."
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 02 November 2020, 12:19:13
And I bet the loonies vote to go alone.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: JA Baker on 02 November 2020, 13:00:28
And I bet the loonies vote to go alone.
For a given value of "alone": they have off-the-books friends
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: paulobrito on 02 November 2020, 13:19:34
For a given value of "alone": they have off-the-books friends
Yes, of course. By alone I want to say - not aligned with any Archon.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 02 November 2020, 13:20:07
And the Ravens welcome Clan Space Orca, aka Kowloon?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 02 November 2020, 14:28:32
if they break away, i suspect many of the neighboring worlds would break away and join them. after all, the 'Loonies are already providing protection for most of that region, and it isn't like any of the other worlds around there are getting much benefit from being part of the lyran state.

they could easily become a lyran analog of the Filtvelt Coalition.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 02 November 2020, 15:42:46
If the 'Loonies vote to secede will Trillian let them go? Will Alaric? Can either of them prevent it?

I'm assuming that Ngo Industries will honour all existing contracts regardless.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: JA Baker on 02 November 2020, 16:22:10
If the 'Loonies vote to secede will Trillian let them go? Will Alaric? Can either of them prevent it?

I'm assuming that Ngo Industries will honour all existing contracts regardless.
Let them go, expecting that they'll "come crawling back", only to get whiplash from the double-take when they not only survive, but thrive independently.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 02 November 2020, 16:40:12
Overview: Local Politics.

A ritualized measure that has gone largely uninterrupted since 2788 is being seriously debated for the first time in almost a century.

The Ritual

Chapter 32, subsection 9 of the Kowloon Treaty of Annexation (written 2785) explicitly states that the Kowloon System's membership in the Lyran Commonwealth is voluntary, and outlines specific procedures to be taken by the Citizen's Assembly in the event that the system, for whatever reason, should wish to terminate that voluntary membership.

It's unique, because most ex-Rim-Worlds taken by the Lyrans after the SLDF got finished reaming the actual Rim Worlds Republic itself as part of knocking the pins out from under Amaris didn't get that kind of consideration-but then, they didn't negotiate their annexation, either.

The vote requires a 60% majority of all elected members of the Assembly.  Not a 'quorum', and abstentions are specifically not allowed on this specific vote.  It is very much an either/or situation and requires a supermajority to pass.  However, the same treaty also requires the vote be taken annually.

Notable violations have occurred on this, particularly during the reign of Alessandro Steiner (when nearly 10% of the Assembly were being held as political prisoners, including Cham Duk Ngo, the Duke of that time), and during the latter portion of the Regency period (3048 to 3053) when a significant portion of the Assembly were 'absent' due to being imprisoned or fugitive and the body was dissolved under 'emergency measures extant to wartime' by Governor-Regent Stonecipher (who also questionably-legally suspended the constitution, applied illegal taxes, and conducted a number of questionably-lawful land and resource seizures under false color of law, which got his brains blown out by Duchess Elizabeth Ngo on live television.)

The closest the votes have gotten in previous instances, were the 48% secession vote after Katrina (Victor's Grandmother) took the throne from Alessandro Steiner and released political prisoners, and 51% after Elizabeth Ngo's execution of the Governor-Regent.

Most of the time, secession polls around 10-15%, usually concentrated in delegates from the Northern continental districts or Provo Valley on the Plateau (these are largely cosmetic votes cast as  a sort of 'virtue signaling' or 'ritualized position'.)

in other words, no serious debate has actually gone on before this most recent Ducal Address.

So, What Changed?

While Kowloon is relatively stable at the moment, there are several factors influencing the mood of the populace, both on the planet, and in her Rockjack communities of the outer system.

Among those: growing dissatisfaction with how the world is treated and viewed outside.  The sustained campaign against the Jade Falcons, and visible lack of progress, the Commonwealth's apparent further weakness, and especially the issues regarding a recent civil war, and Trillian's unifying with Clan Wolf, are actually controversial on Kowloon.  "He's no Roshak, and she's effectively subordinated to him!" is gaining a lot of ground. 

This is a backhand reference to Elizabeth Ngo's marriage to Star Colonel Nathan Roshak-a Jade Falcon, which occurred under quite different conditions, with the Duchess being the dominant partner in the public's eye.  This perception grows from a perception that Trillian Steiner-Davion is weak-a perception driven in part by LCAF's failure to make solid gains against the Falcon Ordun, with many of the successes of Reinhardt's campaign being locally viewed more as "Kowloonese successes that were pissed away".

A weakened Commonwealth economy is further damaging things.  The loss of much of the Commonwealth's industrial base, economic base, crumbling trade infrastructure, and a wartime recession are not helping matters.  The onset of additional taxes and levies, after a forced disarmament prior to the current crisis, well...it's like remembering the stimulus and the response. 

Upshot being, to many Kowloonese who previously were opposed to Secession, the attitude is 'The Commonwealth is collapsing'.

Sharon Ngo's public resignation from the post of LCAF's Chief of Naval Operations, didn't help this impression in the slightest, particularly her cited reasons, which lack nuance and in their blunt delivery appeals to the sentiments of the average planetary voter.

Opposition say WHUT??

Just as important to the voters, however, is the virtue of persistence and loyalty, as well as pocket-book concerns regarding exports and income, jobs, and ties to the Commonwealth such as military service and patriotism.

and, of course, the risk of MORE war coming, both from a Lyran Commonwealth that might object to secession, and closer, more threatening conditions involving the Clans and the threat that they might find themselves standing alone to face the teeth of Malvina's murderous war machine.

The argument is quite heated, and a vote that is normally handled in fifteen to twenty minutes as part of the closing session for the year, has resulted in a multi-week impassioned debate regarding Kowloon's future.  Protests and counter-protests have been peaceful thus far, as sentiment can't be neatly divided by geography or even political orientation.  There are elements of both the left and right that are passionately arguing internally about this, with questions coming up more often than answers-even more often than 'simpleton' answers.

It's a big step, to even think about walking away.

but, for the first time since they got rid of a corrupt regency, those thoughts are seriously being considered...


Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 02 November 2020, 17:18:03
If it's being talked about for weeks the word will reach Trillian (and Alaric?) before a decision is made. I wonder if either will have time to send speakers or intervene in person?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Intermittent_Coherence on 02 November 2020, 20:29:26
How many hulls and how much construction capacity do they have now?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 02 November 2020, 21:30:14
How many hulls and how much construction capacity do they have now?

More to the point, how many hulls do the spares actually exist to keep running, and how many crews that are competent to operate said hulls, for both sides.

Sharon, before she pulled her Achilles in the Tent?  Was tracking Naval Grade equipment leaving LCN depots and reappearing on the arms market.  That new Mjolinir ordered, and another, LCS Wotan, under going repair/refit after battle at Gibbs?  How many of their parts are actually in the storage depots, and how many are listed as there, but in reality sold off and the money pocketed by the people who embezzled that equipment?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: glitterboy2098 on 02 November 2020, 21:35:27
If it's being talked about for weeks the word will reach Trillian (and Alaric?) before a decision is made. I wonder if either will have time to send speakers or intervene in person?
presumably their representatives would be given a chance to speak in the deliberations prior to the official vote. publicly. on system wide holovid. with the officers of the court making it perfectly clear that they are there to speak on the Commonwealth's and Empire's behalf, not to make threats.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Adjudicator on 02 November 2020, 23:54:41
I can only hope this event ends up being more civil than what happened in the old NgoVerse iteration of the secession  Kowloon and neighbouring regions "A Civil Affair..."

There is also the old saying that "Civil Wars are anything but Civil".
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Red Pins on 02 November 2020, 23:59:28
This is interesting - hope Kowloon makes a go of it as an Archonette (?) or just goes independent and takes its neighbours with it.

I will say, the concept of  a competent government/military vs posers is interesting and there hasn't been much to do but read lately, but all the flavours of 'Kowloon wins!' makes want to see them lose.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Intermittent_Coherence on 03 November 2020, 00:22:59
More to the point, how many hulls do the spares actually exist to keep running, and how many crews that are competent to operate said hulls, for both sides.

Sharon, before she pulled her Achilles in the Tent?  Was tracking Naval Grade equipment leaving LCN depots and reappearing on the arms market.  That new Mjolinir ordered, and another, LCS Wotan, under going repair/refit after battle at Gibbs?  How many of their parts are actually in the storage depots, and how many are listed as there, but in reality sold off and the money pocketed by the people who embezzled that equipment?
Well yeah, but I got the sense the problem was worst at the Commonwealth run yard at Gibbs.
Kowloon due to its culture has much more less tolerance for the endemic corruption and are unlikely to let it prosper.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Nikas_Zekeval on 03 November 2020, 00:31:55
Well yeah, but I got the sense the problem was worst at the Commonwealth run yard at Gibbs.
Kowloon due to its culture has much more less tolerance for the endemic corruption and are unlikely to let it prosper.

Kinda my point, while the LCN looks to have the bigger stick, I question how much of that stick has been stuck together with chewing gum.

Ugly thought, in a secession?  Kowloonese Coast Guard goes to those same arms markets, and buys the embezzled LCN gear for their own use.  Not only does the LCN lose it, but it goes right to the force they might be trying to put down.  Which is before you get into the navigational briar patch of the Kowloon binary system.  How many of those LCN officers that Sharon cashiered are back in uniform now?

It depends on how much of Sharon's playbook Trillain is trying to put into action, and how much of it whoever she picked to run the LCN is able and willing to implement.  Above and beyond the Falcons going after Gibbs again most likely.  The Horses showing up is either the Falcons pawning the job off on an ally, or using them as "stalking horses" ^-^ to see how hard a nut Kowloon would be to crack.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Intermittent_Coherence on 03 November 2020, 00:45:56
Yeah there's the other problem.
Sharon had been trying to reform the LCN by infusing it with Kowloon blood and knowhow. Through expanded training and personnel exchanges.
How many of those might feel more inclined to throw in with the one competent part of the LCN?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Red Pins on 03 November 2020, 01:38:54
How many of those personnel will be willing to go along with attacking their home system for choosing to legally leave the Commonwealth?  The technical know-how of those individuals is a dangerous thing to rely on in that case.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: drakensis on 03 November 2020, 02:49:52
The closest the votes have gotten in previous instances, were the 48% secession vote after Katrina (Victor's Grandmother) took the throne from her father and released political prisoners,
Katrina took power from her uncle Alessandro Steiner. Her father, Alexander Weldon, never held political power that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 03 November 2020, 10:12:32
Katrina took power from her uncle Alessandro Steiner. Her father, Alexander Weldon, never held political power that I'm aware of.

Good catch, that was an "OOPS".
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 03 November 2020, 12:18:18
Spider Moon CGNAS...

"...they didn't order those, your Grace."

"I don't care." Sharon said, "the ships are ready, yah?"

"They are, just waiting on crew."

"Can we find ferry crews for them?" she asked.

"We've got those, no problem, but to meet full manning requirements-"

"****** full manning, Whoever the Archon's got can take the ****** things to war." Sharon snapped, "I want those hulls en-route tonight, call it a 'surprise delivery' to Coventry.  If the gods-damned Estates General didn't cut the procurement request that's where they would have been going anyway."

"I don't understand, your grace, you just abstained from comment and made a pretty good case for leaving, and you're still going to send materiel to the Commonwealth?"

"Let me lay it out for you-if the falcons are fighting the Commonwealth, then they're leaving us alone." Sharon said it savagely, "Given how things look out there, Steiner's going to need the ships sooner rather than later, and if we're very lucky Charles Darwin will step in, and help us out in the event the Assembly votes to remain a Lyran world...and we're going to need contacts on the outside if they DO vote to secede."

"Yes ma'am..."



Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 03 November 2020, 13:53:12
There's always something else going on.

The hardest part of governing, is knowing who you can trust, who you should trust, and who you can't trust.

the Lyran Commonwealth's dark side, is that it's as much a tyranny as the Draconis Combine, once you scratch through the crafted veneer, with a secret police whose methods are considerably more ruthless in method than many of the worst Capellan Maskirovka atrocities.

Just...done more or less with prussian efficiency.

Archon Trillian Steiner-Davion sat in a pho' shop, eating vietnamese-style noodle soup for lunch.

across the remainder of the Lyran Commonwealth, Lohengrin teams were in motion today, and where Lohengrin wasn't operating, Heimdall was.

The move began almost as soon as the ink was dry on her succession, and she'd worked with Sharon Ngo to set up the trap, they'd worked together on wording the exact tone of Sharon's resignation, timing it precisely, to lure their prey into moving openly.

Trillian sipped broth from a baked-ware spoon, and turned the pages of a neighbourhood german-language magazine while the strains of the Connaught Royal Pipers played on the shop's muzak.

There wouldn't be time for all the trials, so only a few targets would survive to face charges.

It simply wasn't possible to prosecute so many in a reasonable period of time, especially among the Commonwealth's so-called 'leading' citizens.

Trillian settled for letting one in ten survive to be tried, and it was still going to be hundreds of prosecutions.

Embezzlement, profiteering, fraud, bribery, abuse of office, misuse of resources, black marketeering, theft of public property...

she turned a page.

...theft under color of law, obstruction of justice, racketeering...

she paused and sipped from a small earthenware tea-cup. 

Tonight, the Commonwealth would change, because it has to

"...the old ways are failing us, Trillian. I can keep delivering useless, futile so-called 'victories' but if you don't cut the rot out, it's just delaying the inevitable..."

A Ruler must make choices, sometimes choices that rankle.  For centuries, the rot had gone on because the Commonwealth produced with extra to spare, arming both friend and foe, maintaining endless conflicts to power the lifestyles of the rich and decadent, and now?

we can't afford that anymore.

On the whole, it was a tiny sub-fraction, a millionth of a percent.  Most Lyrans wouldn't even notice as teams from Loki's financial crimes bureau served papers on firms as old as the Commonwealth itself, and teams either captured, or assassinated the men running the illicit operations that had siphoned the health, and the wealth, of the nation on a truly colossal scale.

She sighed, and took a fork to a baked dumpling, and another sip of tea.

In barracks and academies, even, men were about to meet their fates.

she sipped her tea, and turned a page.

now, to figure out how to get out from under Alaric.

Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Cannonshop on 03 November 2020, 14:12:14
[out of story]

At this point, I'm losing the thread.  Just don't like how it's working out, can't find the character voices.

I guess it's just really kind of eh, this isn't going to work.

My original idea, was to have Sharon fail.

fail a LOT.

Hard.

I suddenly understand Chuck's perspective, except I can't really enjoy it, I guess I'm not sadistic enough.

I'm going to tie this one off.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Artifex on 03 November 2020, 15:22:04
It was a good going while it lasted Cannonshop. After all not every endeavor meets with ringing success and you have to admit you've had a lot of those in the recent times. ;-) Best to end it when it feels best to you. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Sir Chaos on 03 November 2020, 15:31:47
Well, that´s disappointing. Yet another story abandoned the moment it starts to get really interesting.

Could it be that you´re burnt out on the Ngoverse? It appears that you cannot keep the stories going once you step beyond slight variations of what happened in previous iterations.

The story with the clanners and the spirit of vengeance noticeably did NOT have that problem. So, maybe it´s time you set aside the Ngos for a while and write about something else?
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Euphonium on 03 November 2020, 15:37:34
I was enjoying it, but if your muse leaves there's no way to force it. Thank you for the story so far, and may the next one flow better.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: EAGLE 7 on 03 November 2020, 15:53:45
   The Pox upon you Cannonshop, the artist curse.

The artist looks upon their greatest works and plumbs failure, and lack of perfection.


    As the outside viewer I see artistry and life created as if a miracle.
 That said I have enjoyed all your creations, and will be happy to see the next Cannonshop miracle.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: idea weenie on 03 November 2020, 18:12:45
From the last couple chapters, I was expecting Trillian to be assassinated and one of the other Archon-wannabes take over.

That would push Kowloon away from the LC completely, and might even set it up where the Kowloon system takes over part of the LC, importing refined material and exporting military forces to protect other areas.  Completely voluntarily on the other systems, but when there are pirates and Clans looking over your planet, and you find someone who just wants taxes in the form of refined materials, you go for it.  Even better if some of those 'taxes' are used locally to build up planetary industry, but with ruthless accountants to make sure there is no embezzlement.

I'm sure the common people on the other planets would find it hilarious if the corporate overlords got visited often by Kowloon accountants, and whenever theft is found those people have their funds confiscated by the government and used to help build a school, a tech center, a library, aso.  Figure X of the wealthiest people get audited every year, and as the income drops, so does the likelihood of being audited.

It'd be hilarious if the Kowloon Commonwealth became wealthier per capita than the rump LC governed from Tharkad that everyone is fighting over.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: kindalas on 03 November 2020, 18:57:39
If you are taking recommendations 3005 is an interesting place to start a story.
Title: Re: The Broken Commonwealth...
Post by: Red Pins on 03 November 2020, 23:14:49
You have done a lot of stories on the Ngo-verse - why not back out a bit, take a wider view, and follow events from a different viewpoint?