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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1080 on: 30 April 2021, 13:53:47 »
Not at all... I mean a show of strength will put these scum in their place... Right...?

Oh, right, that works every time.

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1081 on: 30 April 2021, 14:19:55 »
Oh, right, that works every time.

For one side or the other.  😸
Why does everyone "Fire at Will"? Is he really that bad of a person? And what did he do to make everyone want to shoot him?

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« Reply #1082 on: 30 April 2021, 19:31:08 »
Depends what you mean by strength. >:D
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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1083 on: 01 May 2021, 07:12:00 »
3072 - April - Interlude: Protests turn violent

Firebase Thunderhammer
(Just outside) Opal City
Thorin
Freedom Theatre
Lyran Alliance




Senior Corporal Alec Yanakov tried not swear as he gripped the stock of the riot shotgun between his hands. He had been detached to lead a squad of rear echelon troops which were making up the ad hoc "2nd Squad, 4th (Provisional Platoon), 2nd Company, 16th Lyran Regular Infantry Battalion".  Which meant he had a squad of number crunchers, paper shufflers and cooks to try and keep from doing anything stupid. Looking back at them he had to try harder not to swear. Their white faces and almost terror stricken eyes spoke volumes about how reliable they would be if anything went wrong. It had taken the whole morning to form up enough troops to follow the Colonels orders. 1st and 3rd Platoon of the 2nd Company made up the bulk of the troops assigned to what was being described as "riot control", but there had only been two squads of 1st Companies 3rd Platoon to make up the numbers. So the rest of the troops had been grabbed from off duty support echelon troopers. Most of whom probably hadn't held a rifle since basic training! They'd all been issued body armour and riot shotguns along with as many non-lethal rounds as could be found in the ammunition depot. Trying to console himself the Corporal went over the plan as it had been explained to him by his sergeant to try and reassure himself that this wasn't going to be a total disaster. In a few seconds the main gates would open and three APC's would lead the way. They would advance into the rioters "camp" and force them back and break up the bulk of them into smaller groups. Following right behind each APC would be a platoon of infantry who would then move in and arrest the ringleaders and force the others to disperse. What would happen if the protestors stood their ground or refused to be arrested or disperse didn't bear thinking about of course, neither did the fact that the infantry had no reserve at all if things went wrong...



Before he could depress himself further the roar of internal combustion engines announced the APC's firing up and the huge gates of the firebase began to open. As soon as they did the chanting from the protestors grew in volume as they responded to the emerging APC's. Snapping his visor down the Corporal growled more with fear than anger at his odds and ends. "That's it. We're moving. Come on."



Falling in behind the left APC with the rest of the 4th (Provisional) Platoon, 2nd squad hefted their shotguns and began to double time to keep up with the advancing APC. While Yanakov couldn't see in front of the APC that he was following a quick glance to the right showed that the crowd was surging back from the centre and right APC's, instinctively recoiling from the armoured bulk advancing on them. Just like the plan said they would. The handful who were standing their ground were either being pulled back by their friends or shifting almost without thinking into the gaps between the APC's...



Just as he saw that a handful of youths wearing AFFS green tunics who had shifted into the gap between the APC he was following and the one in the middle began throwing rotting vegetables and fruit at the 4th (Provisional) Platoon. Most of the stinking refuse splattered across the body armour of the troopers - disgusting but hardly a threat. However a rotten tomato splattered across Leutnant Vassali's faceplate. Reacting in fury the young not-quite officer pointed vaguely in the direction of the jeering youths. "Arrest whoever threw that! Arrest all of them!1st and 2nd Squad! NOW!"



Turning quickly and barking to his squad Yanakov ordered them to follow him as he rushed towards the youths who's more sensible members were now looking particularly worried at the sight of two squads of troopers carrying shotguns charging towards them. A handful however, braver or stupider than the others, surged forward to meet the troopers carrying whatever placards or clubs they had improvised. Yanakov took a glancing blow to his shoulder guard from a home made sign professing loyalty to Prince Victor and then doubled up the rioter with a shotgun butt to the stomach before stepping over him and crunching the same butt into the side of a rioter grappling with one off his troopers. For a few seconds the issue was in doubt but the body armour of the troopers and lack of any combat skills on the part of the youths was soon telling and the small skirmish was beginning to swing in the favour of the LAAF troops when more of the crowd, seeing their fellows attacked charged to help. Nearly three dozen more protestors charged in and joined the youths. Hammering into the flank of the advancing troops they swiftly smashed half of 1st squad to the ground and turned the tide back in favour of the protestors.



Trying to step back and praying that the Leutnant was watching and sending the other squads to help Yanakov glanced left and riot to see how many of his own 2nd Squad were still on their feet. Which let him see Private Van Ryan (who in his day job was responsible for baking the unit's bread) level his shotgun in panic and fire point blank at the face of a youth with a bloody scalp and a broken bit of wood that the scraps of his pro-FedSun's banner still hung too who was taking a swing for his chest with his makeshift club. The shotgun was loaded with non-lethal rubber rounds but at point blank range that didn't really matter. The youth's face exploded in blood as he was flipped backwards screaming and clawing at where his left eye used to be. For a second there was almost an unnatural stillness in the air and then roars of fury and outrage erupted from the protestors... Almost instantly drowned out by the sounds of the rest of the embattled troopers firing their own shotguns into the infuriated crowd.



Stumbling back from the fray the Senior Corporal looked around and could see that it wasn't just his own troopers who were now firing. Shotgun blasts were echoing from all around the embattled APC he had been following and from the central APC's force as well. Most of the crowd were now running, panicking at the sounds of gunfire but more than a few who were still fighting and trying to resist. A few had even picked up riot shotguns from fallen troopers and were firing back! Watching in horror he saw one of the rioters fire the shotgun he had seized at Major Prestonfield where he was standing on top of the central APC, sending him falling backwards off the armoured vehicle. With his body armour it was unlikely he had been hurt, but the operation's CO being dropped made matters worse as the firing intensified and the APC's began surging forward again into the fleeing crowds, while behind them a full lance of assault and heavy battlemech's began to come through the door to support the infantry...



Not having fired a single round Yanakov could only listen to the roar of shotguns and screams all around him and try not to be sick as he reflected that the plan hadn't worked after all...
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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1084 on: 01 May 2021, 07:12:09 »
Not going to lie, not entirely satisfied with this chapter... So any thoughts on how to improve it will be gratefully accepted.

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1085 on: 01 May 2021, 09:18:36 »
Honestly, is more or less how you see that type of disaster happens.
No water cannons, no tear gas, no stunners. Not really well equipped to deal with an angry mob.
Not experienced troops also. You only need - like in your story - one to panic and disaster follows.
For me, is credible, because the preparations are very bad, but that is not the fault of the poor sods on the ground.

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« Reply #1086 on: 01 May 2021, 09:28:29 »
The shooting starts inevitably if some poor sod of a soldier faces immediate threat of loosing his personal weapon unless he starts using it. And then it avalanches from there.

After that is depends on the officers  in charge of the units how many get shot ... unless this is wanted and then get something like the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre at Amritsar/India in 1919.

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1087 on: 01 May 2021, 13:41:24 »
Question why no one bring more Infantry or Military Police?

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« Reply #1088 on: 01 May 2021, 13:50:06 »
 That Colonel Commanding threw a wobbler, that's why?

 No plan, no preparation, and no training - just now, now, now hitting reality ...

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« Reply #1089 on: 01 May 2021, 15:16:11 »
Question why no one bring more Infantry or Military Police?

From the point of view of the LAAF - why send specialist MP's and infantry when it's a Lyran world. Those types of troops are more for worlds where the local population is hostile... Except Thorin was already a bit hostile and then became more and more so... The situation has gotten away from them. In a while someone would have noticed and sent more infantry heavy units with specialist gear and training, rather than just the ill equipped 16th Lyran Regulars - and the Lyran Regulars are sort of a dead end/low echelon unit to begin with. The problem was that the Colonel used a heavy handed approach which has made a bad situation worse...

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« Reply #1090 on: 01 May 2021, 16:32:23 »
Sending non- trained troops to do any task is asking for goat rodeo extraordinaire.

     Incompetence, on leadership for not starting riot training at first signs of protests. No shields and batons, no tear gas, no leadership coordination. If you expect to have to arrest people you need teams to assemble detained people to protect them from being hurt once arrested. No medics, because people who riot will cause injuries, no QRF if things escalate ( if protests want to antagonize the Lyrans into violence.

    Incompetence says it all so I will not even go further into what is wrong with this.
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« Reply #1091 on: 01 May 2021, 17:06:42 »
Welp, I'm sure this won't inflame the situation or make things even worse for Adam. Not one bit, no sir!

Man the Lyran Alliance is turning into even MORE of a complete ******, something I didn't think was possible...
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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1092 on: 01 May 2021, 18:37:10 »
One of my friends served in Northern Ireland in the 70's.
He refused to allow his squad to carry any ammo, as he saw that other barely trained conscripts tended to shoot first when frightened.
Funny how his squad earned respect from both sides. :thumbsup:
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« Reply #1093 on: 01 May 2021, 19:23:33 »
One of my friends served in Northern Ireland in the 70's.
He refused to allow his squad to carry any ammo, as he saw that other barely trained conscripts tended to shoot first when frightened.
Funny how his squad earned respect from both sides. :thumbsup:

But then you can end up with the marine barracks Beirut or the embassy in Tehran.  both had no ammo and not allowed to defend themselves. 

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« Reply #1094 on: 02 May 2021, 02:15:05 »
He wasn't facing the IRA just local civilians.
Different if your in the middle east or facing terrorists.
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« Reply #1095 on: 02 May 2021, 16:24:29 »
Not going to lie, not entirely satisfied with this chapter... So any thoughts on how to improve it will be gratefully accepted.

It seems like you are invoking the spirit of the novel ‘Measure of a Hero’ by BLP. I think it’s quite decent and seems realistic. On the subject though where is the Thorin Militia at this point? I honestly don’t remember if you did anything with them previously and I’m at work or else I’d surf thru the threads for it.

Also not a mod but be careful when discussing real world stuff: theirs a forum rule about that after all.

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« Reply #1096 on: 02 May 2021, 17:14:31 »
So what happen to the Thorin Freedom Theater Militia?

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« Reply #1097 on: 03 May 2021, 05:30:24 »
The Thorin Militia (known to most of it's members as the Thorin Planetary Guard) is still in existence. If anything it is slightly larger - probably a reinforced battalion or so of mechs and tanks (heavy on tanks light on battlemechs) with several planetary militia regiments in support. It will be mentioned in the next update.

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« Reply #1098 on: 03 May 2021, 06:07:37 »
3072 - April - Interlude: Repercussions
Governor's Palace
Ecol City
Thorin
Freedom Theatre
Lyran Alliance




Duke Alfredo Sakuma stared directly into the holo-camera glad in an expensive dark grey suit, picked out specifically so that the black armband he wore was visible yet the suit itself displayed that he was in mourning. Grim faced he didn't so much as glance down at the notes in front of him - a small peculiarity of the Duke was that it was well known that he always liked to have printed notes rather than a teleprompter. "People of Thorin, four days ago a tragedy befall our world. Fellow citizens of our planet gathered in order to protest against the presence of what they and many of you see as an occupying force. I have made no secret that I do not entirely share that viewpoint, although given the arrest of our Representative in the Estates General and the actions of both the Regent and the LAAF troops on our world I am forced to acknowledge that the viewpoint is not entirely without merit. As such I have allowed the peaceful protest off those who feel this way and have refused requests by Colonel O'Connell to use the infantry forces of my own Ducal Guard and the Thorin Planetary Guard to suppress them. Perhaps I made an error in refusing that request as it has perhaps indirectly led to the tragic events that took place at Firebase Thunderhammer..."



Pausing for a second the young Duke shook his head. "However that in no way justifies the heavy handed and brutal response of the 16th Lyran Regulars last Saturday. No less than three film crews were in attendance at the protest and so despite Colonel O'Connell refusing to release the security videos from the base or the gun camera footage from his battlemechs the evidence is clear. While the protestors certainly provoked the troops of the 16th Regulars at no time did they escalate matters to anything beyond hurling refuse - which could not be construed as using deadly force. To the mechwarriors and troops within their APC's going out on patrol the throwing of rotting food might have been irritating but in no way threatened their safety. Colonel O'Connell's response was vastly disproportionate to the threat posed. Even before he released his battlemech forces to indulge in terror tactics."



"The Colonel unleashed a scratch company of poorly trained infantry with little to no specialist equipment upon the protestors out of what I can only presume was spite and poor judgement. In those circumstances the results were as foreseeable as they were tragic. While my people's investigations have been deliberately hampered by the 16th Regular's refusal to share their footage or to allow them to interview their troopers, I have no doubt in my mind what happened. When the protestors resisted the illegal order to disperse some trooper of the 16th's infantry battalion panicked. He responded in blind panic and opened fire. All of those we have spoken to and the footage we have been able to obtain point to the initial outbreak of gunfire occurring on the left flank of the infantry force, although is swiftly spread. And escalated." Duke Sakuma paused in obvious distress before squaring his shoulders and continuing. "With panicked troops firing indiscriminately into the crowd the protests became at once both more violent and resulted in many attempting to flee. At which point the Colonel unleashed a full company of his battlemechs. Presumably in an attempt to overawe and intimidate the crowd into retreat. While none of them fired their weapons upon the fleeing crowd there is no doubt in the minds of my investigators that their pursuit of the crowd into the makeshift car park that most fled too in an attempt to get into their vehicles and leave led to at least several more deaths as well as deliberate and wanton destruction of several vehicles by the mechwarriors. The explosions of which caused additional panic in the already terrified crowd."



Pausing again the Duke's voice seemed strained as he continued. "As of this morning the death count amongst the protestors who were attacked and those who attempted to flee stands at 103. Most of those who have died did so as a result of being crushed in the stampede that the Lyran Regulars deliberately provoked. Many more died from head wounds inflicted by "non-lethal" shotgun blasts often fired directly into their heads at short range. At least one individual was killed when a battlemech stepped on him during the stampede. I can only pray that was an accident and not deliberate. Many hundreds of other protestors are still in hospital with broken bones and similar injuries and I pray they have a full and speedy recovery."



"I pray for all those who have been hurt or killed and for their loved ones who have been left grieving." Duke Alfredo Sakuma sighed. "Yet that is not enough. It can never be enough for those who have lost their lives. I am a Duke of the Lyran Alliance. But I am also the Duke of Thorin. I have accepted that no government is infallible and that mistakes will be made. I understand that better than most. However this goes beyond the arrest of our Representative. This goes beyond an uncaring or unseeing government on far away Tharkad. I trust that Regent Steiner will be as horrified as I am by the actions of last Saturday, but his horror is not enough. Our people are dead. Our sons and daughters lie injured in hospital in pain and suffering. All of this was not inflicted upon them by invaders from another realm. No. These deaths and injuries were inflicted upon the people of Thorin by the military that is sworn to protect them. That is something that I cannot accept. That I will not accept."



Squaring his shoulders the Duke looked directly into the camera in an impassioned attempt to reach out to his people through it. "That is why I am mobilising the Thorin Planetary Guard. All militia troops are to report to their mustering stations. As soon as units are formed up they are to then place themselves directly under the command of Field Marshal Reinhart Steiner of the 1st Revenant Guards RCT, AFFS. I will be formally notifying the Lyran Alliance that the world of Thorin is declaring it's secession from the Alliance as of this afternoon and at the same time petitioning the Federated Suns for admittance. This is not just my decision as I have spoken with the Planetary Council who have ratified these moves by a vote of 7 to 3. As of midday today as far as my government is concerned the Lyran Alliance has no formal authority on Thorin and we shall look to New Avalon for guidance and protection. As such I will also be notifying Colonel O'Connell that the 16th Lyran Regulars are confined to their bases to be regarded as foreign troops and should await further instructions as to their movements and to coordinate this with the senior AFFS officer on planet - Field Marshal Steiner. I have requested that Field Marshal Steiner look into the actions of the 16th Regulars and take whatever steps he see's fit to bring any of it's officers or men to justice for any crimes they may have committed, but I leave any such investigations and military justice in his capable hands."



Looking suddenly tired the Duke of Thorin looked sorrowfully at the camera. "I didn't want this. I don't believe any of us wanted this. Yet my hand, our hands have been forced. We cannot stand by while Lyran troops murder our civilians and then refuse to even acknowledge that a crime has taken place. That is what has forced me into todays actions and I beg all of you sitting at home to stay calm and most importantly to stay peaceful. Whatever the future may bring we will meet it together, as citizens of Thorin. Thank you." 


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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1099 on: 03 May 2021, 06:40:22 »
3072 - April - Interlude: Response

Office of the Regent (General of the Armies)
Asgard
Mount Wotan
Tharkad
Donegal Province
Lyran Alliance




"That IDIOT!" Adam Steiner almost screamed in rage as he hammered his cybernetic hand into the desk hard enough to cause a crack to appear in the hardwood and a surge of pain to shoot up what remained of his arm as the prosthetic arm was pushed far past the "safe" levels built into it. He pointed with his single remaining real hand at Hauptmann-General Stellwar. "Your Colonel has cost me Thorin. That twice bedamned idiot has made it impossible for me to do anything about their treason!"



Before the general could respond Adam snatched up one of the dozens of printed out dispatches littering his desk and waved it in the strained face of the older officer. "And have you seen this? Have you seen the moron's response to the recent events? I know you have! He wants me to send him REINFORCEMENTS so that he can seize the Duke for treason and suppress the "rebellions"! Is he out of his *** *** MIND?! If the 16th so much as BLINKS the wrong way the AFFS units on the planet will wipe them out! The Revenant Guards could do it on their own in an afternoon even without the help of the 3rd Ceti Hussars forces on the planet! I know they are broken up between Thorin and Murphid and the Revenant Guards are understrength but I wouldn't trust O'Connell to be able to win against a damn training battalion at this stage!"



Coughing Stellwar chose his words with care. "I realise that in retrospect the deployment of Colonel O'Connell and the 16th Lyran Regulars was a mistake..."



Adam interrupted with a growl as he sat back down. "I'd use a stronger word than mistake as that is the understatement of the year..."



"Well yes..." The Hauptmann-General coughed and acknowledge the point. "However he was placed in an impossible situation. He has few infantry assets, the planetary population was hostile as was the Duke who refused his entirely legitimate request for the local militia's to deploy to aid him..."



"Stellwar. Let me make something clear. Former Colonel O'Connell's career is done. That is at this stage a foregone conclusion. Nothing short of direct intervention from the Almighty is going to keep that man in uniform. He'll be lucky to be cashiered rather than shot! Your future however remains in the balance. Precariously so. So I don't want to hear any more justifications or excuses for that man's ineptitude. Are we clear?" Adam snapped.



"Crystal Lord Regent." Stellwar responded quickly.



However before he could continue the third man in the room spoke quietly.  "As you have said Regent Steiner, the late-Colonel O'Connell's mistakes have placed us in an impossible situation. We cannot avoid facing the unfortunate situation that any attempt to repair the situation on Thorin can only lead to a further worsening in the situation there and potentially with our allies the FedSuns."



Adam turned to face Tormano Liao and tried not to let the disgust he felt for the fallen prince of House Liao show on his face. The man was a snake in the truest sense of the word, always looking for an angle. He had served first one master and then another without any shame at his changes of allegiance, while his advice to Katherine Steiner-Davion had been one of the main reasons for her disastrous misstep in attempting to take control of the Federated Suns. However he was despite that mistake still acknowledged as one of the foremost political advisors in the Inner Sphere. Which is why Adam had sent for him. "So then what would you have me do then? I pay you to advise me. Advise me."



"First I believe a heart felt response to Duke Sakuma's message is in order. Something along the lines of parting in sorrow, not what you wished, etc..." Seeing the glare on the soldiers face Tormano held up his perfectly manicured hand. "To put it in military terms Regent Steiner... The battle for Thorin is lost. At this stage any attempt to rectify that is throwing away good troops - or in this case political capital - after bad. You must acknowledge the loss and shepherd your remaining capital, as you would your troops in a war, for fights that you might still win. Even before the 16th Regular's blundering the situation within the Terran Corridor and Lyon's Thumb was spiralling into a series of losing fights. It's too early for us to tell what effect the events on Thorin will have on this, but I can hazard a guess that it wont be to our benefit! We have certainly lost Thorin, likely Murphid and probably the majority of the Lyon's Thumb as well. Pro-FedSuns feelings are already running high there. So we should concentrate our efforts on worlds we still have a chance of holding onto or regaining. Denebola, Lipton, Chara and Lyon itself as examples. I would also advise a quick arrest for all those involved in the tragic deaths at Firebase Thunderhammer and speedy court martials." Finishing Liao sat back his hands resting in his lap as he stared back at his new patron's face calmly.



Despite himself Stellwar burst out. "We can't just give up those worlds without a fight!"



"A fight we would lose." Tormano responded condescendingly. "Both in military and political terms. And a fight we cannot afford."



"Stellwar." Adam glanced at the officer. "I need you to cut orders for Colonel O'Connell's arrest. Promote one of his subordinates to replace him. Kommandant Wilson seems the best choice, but I'll leave it up too you. But bare in mind that any more mistakes from the leadership of that unit will reflect directly upon you. You are dismissed."



As the stiff backed officer left the room he could already hear the Lord Regent discussing with his new political advisor the best way to mitigate the disastrous events on Thorin... 
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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1100 on: 03 May 2021, 06:53:39 »
I dont like this Duke Alfredo Sakuma.
He says: " Perhaps I made an error in refusing that request as it has perhaps indirectly led to the tragic events that took place at Firebase Thunderhammer..."

The typical response of a politician. Just shift the blame.
The military is there to fight another army, not to do police actions. They are a broadsword, a sledgehammer, but not a surgical knife.

And Adam is the same.
I don`t know if it was ever mentioned how easy / difficult it is to leave the realm (suicidal in the DC+CC, but the other realms would look not kindly on such an attempt.).
I wouldnt be surprised if at least one would whisper "It`s treason then." (Maybe some of the hyperfanatical LOKI guys.)

Back to this Duke.
I would really like to know how he would have reacted. Just saying this is wrong without saying how it should have been done is just wrong.
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« Reply #1101 on: 03 May 2021, 10:23:13 »
I’d trust Tormano about as far as I could throw him right now he is probably one of the movers in the LA and the man is a snake I wouldn’t be surprised to lear he had a hand in encouraging Adam to arrest the Victor faction of the estates general.

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« Reply #1102 on: 03 May 2021, 11:46:19 »
I’d trust Tormano about as far as I could throw him right now he is probably one of the movers in the LA and the man is a snake I wouldn’t be surprised to lear he had a hand in encouraging Adam to arrest the Victor faction of the estates general.

But what is his endgame? What advantage does he want to achieve?
When Adam is removed there is ZERO chance that Tormano will be the next Archon.

The only thing I can see is that he tries for the image of peacemaker or talking the Archon into releasing the Representatives. But if he was the one that talked Adam into arresting them in the first place - Adam may get a little suspicious.

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« Reply #1103 on: 03 May 2021, 12:18:46 »
The endgame of Tormano? If he can't plant his posterior on the Celestial throne, then being the powerbroker in Lyran Commonwealth will have to do, he aims to be the man behind the throne.
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« Reply #1104 on: 04 May 2021, 06:40:00 »
Hiring Tormano was probably the first single smart thing Adam Steiner has done in his entire reign.

Now, for a second smart thing, fire Stellwar ASAP as he clearly is grossly out of his depth as the most senior military man in the LAAF with exactly zero political smarts.
"I, the Baron of Strang, care not for your new names. Clans? Jade Falcons? I call you by your true name: Scum of the Star League, traitors of free will, persecutors of the Periphery come back to lord it over freedom-loving people. Come ahead, you steel-eyed robots! Come ahead and taste what a million like-minded people think of you and your damn Clans!"

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1105 on: 04 May 2021, 09:42:30 »
Hiring Tormano was probably the first single smart thing Adam Steiner has done in his entire reign.

Now, for a second smart thing, fire Stellwar ASAP as he clearly is grossly out of his depth as the most senior military man in the LAAF with exactly zero political smarts.
Stellwar isnt the head of the LAAF - Adam is combining Regent with being his own General of Armies (not a great move), Stellwar is just the head of the Lyran Regulars. And since it was the 16th Regulars hes the one called in.

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1106 on: 04 May 2021, 17:02:19 »
Ah - THAT makes much more sense and puts him into context as trying to protect the Lyran Regulars from being (again) shat on from on high.

But yes, Adam needs to give up his military post and focus. Of course, who the hell he would be able to put in that position that he trusts (and trusts HIM) is a rather more difficult question...
"I, the Baron of Strang, care not for your new names. Clans? Jade Falcons? I call you by your true name: Scum of the Star League, traitors of free will, persecutors of the Periphery come back to lord it over freedom-loving people. Come ahead, you steel-eyed robots! Come ahead and taste what a million like-minded people think of you and your damn Clans!"

-Baron Stepan Von Strang

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1107 on: 04 May 2021, 17:06:16 »
Ah - THAT makes much more sense and puts him into context as trying to protect the Lyran Regulars from being (again) shat on from on high.

But yes, Adam needs to give up his military post and focus. Of course, who the hell he would be able to put in that position that he trusts (and trusts HIM) is a rather more difficult question...

as bad as the blood might be....a Kell. 

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1108 on: 04 May 2021, 18:36:19 »
Ah - THAT makes much more sense and puts him into context as trying to protect the Lyran Regulars from being (again) shat on from on high.

But yes, Adam needs to give up his military post and focus. Of course, who the hell he would be able to put in that position that he trusts (and trusts HIM) is a rather more difficult question...

The pro-Katrina side he cant trust, particularly as they see him as a traitor. The pro-Victor side he cant trust as well he did just arrest a whole bunch of them. The ones who tried to stay neutral rarely have the influence for the job and probably don't trust him much given he's managed to irritate both main factions... He's sort of screwed.

as bad as the blood might be....a Kell. 

The problem is that I dont think any of the Kells are even LAAF. Their all mercs or wolves.

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Re: The Federated Sun's Reborn Part TWO
« Reply #1109 on: 04 May 2021, 18:48:25 »


The problem is that I dont think any of the Kells are even LAAF. Their all mercs or wolves.

Yep, so they don't have someone pulling their strings or hold past allegiance.  They also have good reps with soldiers, so the LAAF as a body, will like them long enough to give him some breathing room. And if/when they get canned they will have a job to go back to or are looking forward to getting back to.  not that it would not make a few high level people upset.  Unless one of the Snord's are still alive.    >:D