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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #60 on: 12 June 2022, 19:16:29 »
Okay, you're way overthinking this.  You don't need to do a 'cold launch, designed to hit both fleets' which ought to be impossible to score even one hit on.  No, you just do it simply-attack the RWD (Rim World Dictatorship) fleet as you pass by each other, rather than holding fire.  They'll fire back-and your allies will also be compelled to fire.

In any event, the Terrans are going to end up fighting both the Rim Provisional Government (so they can restore Amaris) and the Lyrans (so the Steiners don't back up the Rim Revolutionaries.) Who knows what blowback it might have? Perhaps someone might consider launching a coup of their own and overthrowing the Camerons?

Edit: Even if the Terrans have a huge fleet (both active and reserves), do they have enough money left to cover the payroll of the crews, fuel, munitions, supply and maintenance to fight a large-scale protracted war on their own? Hell, what if opponents decide the best way to render the Terran navy useless is to kill their crews while they're not on their warships? Or for that matter, blowing up the supporting infrastructure?
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #61 on: 14 June 2022, 20:37:44 »
Edit: Even if the Terrans have a huge fleet (both active and reserves), do they have enough money left to cover the payroll of the crews, fuel, munitions, supply and maintenance to fight a large-scale protracted war on their own? Hell, what if opponents decide the best way to render the Terran navy useless is to kill their crews while they're not on their warships? Or for that matter, blowing up the supporting infrastructure?

Oh easily.  Even the Battleships, which are likely to be Farragut and Monsoon class ships use a crew of under 800 people.  Even if you inflate the numbers by a factor of two those are still small crews for such massive vessels.

They only have an active number of 700 Warships and a reserve of 1500.  They have Terra and its various nearby Hegemony worlds to draw on.

The US Navy alone in WW2 had 1.5 million personnel afloat in 1945.  This is for a much lower population compared to Terra or the Hegemony itself.

The biggest question will be if the Hegemony's civilian populace will suffer war weariness from needing to cut back on luxuries before the Hegemonies Industry can secure a win.

In the original Reunification War, they did not really bring the total economic might on the Taurians, likely more than happy to bleed House troops instead.

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #62 on: 15 June 2022, 06:34:28 »
What if that’s part of the reason the Hegemony wanted a ‘grand alliance’ in the first place?

That way it only ruins the economies of the other Great houses instead, leading to a win-win situation either way, as Terra’s economic and industrial lead increases even further.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #63 on: 15 June 2022, 22:06:44 »
What if that’s part of the reason the Hegemony wanted a ‘grand alliance’ in the first place?

That way it only ruins the economies of the other Great houses instead, leading to a win-win situation either way, as Terra’s economic and industrial lead increases even further.

I am pretty sure the Star League formed to keep the Hegemony on top.  The population and resource numbers were steadily shifting towards the other states.

The 5 power doctrine would have likely proven too expensive for the safe Hegemony citizens to favor after a few more generations.  So get the member states to join, force them into a major war with the Periphery, and then get them to agree to arms control with the Star League itself having the major military forces.

Preserving Terran Hegemony's power in the name of peace.


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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #64 on: 17 June 2022, 06:02:44 »
Got my popcorn, warming up the butter.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #65 on: 20 June 2022, 06:07:48 »
I wonder if Elias Pitcairn will make a 'showing'.  I know Davion and Calderon don't like each other and that the Concordat is a much larger threat then the Alliance.  However if you want Communist China in space to pay a 'suitable' price for going against the Bulls, I am sure that Col. Pitcairn and his 'Volunteers' could be of service.

Then depending on how successful and what TH forces are funneled into to keep the CC in the game, you have all those Capellan March, Terran March, Varney and 'Aunt' forces that Alexander 'handed' off the the Star League due to their loyalty issues.  Well there is no Star League, so from raiding, to small scale invasions, to 'helping' the Concordat's defense those 'questionable' forces could be utilized for those missions and more.  You could refer to the as the 'Penance' Brigades of House Davion, fight the foes of the Suns under the command of those that are not happy with either the Suns or them!  Once they have had their Hardship Tour they can be worked back into the AFFS.  Thank you.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #66 on: 20 June 2022, 06:18:53 »
"Penance Brigade" has a nice ring to it...  8)

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #67 on: 22 June 2022, 14:59:43 »
Yes Rimworlders. Do the Funni. For the memes.

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #68 on: 22 June 2022, 19:16:21 »
It is my honest belief that stuff from the recent Fan-XTRO Ghosts and Shadows may play a role in this General War.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l8e8srhtMilv8voLhevl8q4iJguynCr_/view

As this isn't the OTL, there will be instances of their actions backfiring on the Camerons and the Hegemony.

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #69 on: 13 July 2022, 13:22:45 »
Is this over? The story?  :( :( :(
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #70 on: 13 July 2022, 19:11:14 »
I've been taking some time off from things in general due to being very tired and also cat sitting, but I expect I should have at least a few more stories to go.

One set in the outworlds alliance between a Combine peace keeping force and "freedom fighters"
Another detailing a meeting on Canopus between the Magestrix and a Free Worlds delegation
Possibly one set during the 3rd Andurien War meant to demonstrate how history really went off the rails.

hopefully more.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #71 on: 13 July 2022, 21:37:23 »
All sound good to me!  Take your time, good sir!   :thumbsup:

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #72 on: 14 July 2022, 03:29:30 »
Tired while cat-sitting: lion-taming?

But for real: take your time and rest your muse and yourself  :)

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #73 on: 14 July 2022, 05:54:21 »
I am looking forward what you come up with, Liam's Ghost  Every story someone tells is a treat when their doing it for free and for the love of the genre.  I hope we'd get see warship action, but I'm grateful for any story! 
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #74 on: 14 July 2022, 11:34:05 »
Tired while cat-sitting: lion-taming?

But for real: take your time and rest your muse and yourself  :)

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #75 on: 25 September 2022, 00:19:05 »
Approximate Capital Ship Strength and Projections, February 1, 2580:

Federated Suns:

The arms race began with the Federated Suns and Alexander Davion's proclamation of "Never again", and three years later, Prince Davion's commitment to that promise seems none the weaker. Though partly achieved by reactivating all but the most decrepit hulls in their mothball yards, House Davion has already managed to replace its losses from the Malagrotta war, and is rapidly accelerating naval construction. As their neighbors also lay down new ships and plan for many, many more, House Davion has likewise expanded the scope of its own building program. Even assuming that the older ships of the fleet are retired as planned, house Davion has a projected fleet strength of approximately five hundred ships by the end of the century. A number that is likely to only grow larger as time passes.

Before and during the Malagrotta War, the Federated Suns navy organized its WarShips primarily into "strike squadrons" composed of around six ships each. The core heavy element of a squadron would be composed of two or three cruisers or frigates, sometimes with a Defender class battlecruiser or a Syrtis class carrier attached as a command vessel, and the balance made up of destroyers or corvettes, depending on the situation and the particular prestige of the squadron. In an offensive operation, several Robinson class ships may also be attached directly to the squadron, though the Robinson class was normally seen as part of the transport fleet rather than the battle fleet. Additional fighter wings and dropship units were added on an ad hoc basis and frequently reassigned. Davion Strike Squadrons trained primarily in escort roles, focusing on securing the immediate battlespace around their vulnerable transports with little attention paid to a more fluid strategy. This inflexibility, combined with poor coordination with attached lighter formations, was a critical weakness that contributed to the heavy losses sustained during the Malagrotta war.

Reforms following the conflict have focused primarily on improving the Navy's flexibility and the integration between capital ships and their lighter support. Though mixed squadrons of capital ships remain the standard among the fleet, as new ships are launched the long term goal is to re-organize the capital ship fleet into more homogenous line, strike, and escort squadrons concentrating on only a handful of designs. The Line squadrons, mirroring to a degree Hegemony practices, will be built around the new Malagrotta class battleships (the first two of which have recently finished trials and been commissioned into service), with the much larger Uther Pendragon class serving as squadron command ships once they are available. Strike squadrons will serve as the medium combat element, and be composed of the upgraded Congress-D class, while the well regarded Davion II will dominate escort squadrons. The New Syrtis class is intended to be spread among the Line and Strike squadrons, with a single carrier eventually assigned to each Strike squadron and two assigned to each Line squadron. In addition, each squadron in the fleet will have additional squadrons of assault ships (Primarily the impressive Percival class) permanently assigned to them. These capital squadrons will in turn be grouped into larger March Fleets responsible for overseeing their respective territories. However, to avoid the sort of factionalism that contributed to the Davion Civil war, squadrons will be regularly rotated among the March Fleets, and personnel for these squadrons will be assigned equally from the entirety of the Federated Suns. Some in the Admiralty have expressed concerns that this policy may result in older ships and less experienced crews being assigned to high threat areas arbitrarily while newer ships and more experienced crews are rotated to rear areas, however the First Prince remains committed to this course, and believes the shear number of new ships being built will allow for obsolete hulls to be quickly retired back to mothballs. Only time will tell if he is correct.

115 Active WarShips
2 Malagrotta class
6 Defender class (2579)
6 New Syrtis class
10 Congress-D class (2570)
8 Congress-D class (block II)
10 Federation class (2470)
26 Davion II class
7 Davion class
2 Cruiser class (2470)
10 Sunburst class
20 Robinson class
8 Vigilant class (2470)

5 Reserve Warships
2 Federation class (2400)
2 Federation class (2470)
1 Cruiser class (2325)

68 Under Construction
6 New Syrtis class
12 Congress-D class (block II)
36 Davion II class
10 Malagrotta class
4 Uther Pendragon class

400 Authorized
40 New Syrtis class
140 Davion II class
100 Congress-D class (block II)
100 Malagrotta class
20 Uther Pendragon class
« Last Edit: 27 September 2022, 18:03:40 by Liam's Ghost »
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #76 on: 25 September 2022, 01:49:26 »
Draconis Combine:

A relatively weak economy and limited naval infrastructure has always hampered the Draconis Combine Admiralty's ability to expand their WarShip fleet, and has given the Combine the reputation of creating exceptional designs which suffer from poor execution. This is said to be exemplified by the flagship design of their fleet, the theoretically large, powerful, and fast Narukami class destroyer, which suffers from so many reliability issues that it spends more time in mothballs or in the repair yard than in active service. While the problems of the Narukami don't necessarily hold true for the Combine's other indigenous designs, they are also each significantly smaller and less powerful than the Narukami. The DCA is fundamentally a corvette navy, with a rather modest number of larger ships providing heavier firepower. Though this fleet makeup has its origins in the limitations on the Combine's industry, in the last two centuries it has taken root as standard doctrine, with the general philosophy that a larger number of smaller ships will generally be able to outmaneuver and overwhelm a smaller force of larger ships. 

The consistent problem the Combine has faced is that strategically it has only occasionally posseted enough WarShips to guarantee the sort of numerical superiority necessary for such a tactical doctrine. In the naval battles it has fought over the generations, it has instead been forced to rely primarily on maneuver and the mistakes of its enemies to achieve local superiority of isolated groups of enemy ships. In basic form, Combine naval strategies tend to mirror those used to such great success by the Taurian Concordat in the Malagrotta war, and the Taurian victory of that war has only solidified the hold that doctrine has over the Combine Navy, and dictated the form the Combine's own naval building program will take.

In terms of total ships authorized, the Combine's building program is on par with that of the Terran Hegemony. Of the slightly more than twelve hundred ships currently authorized, however, fully a thousand are the Inoshishi class, a very small, cheap to build, but fast and powerful corvette design intended for the kind of pack tactics the Admiralty is advocating for. The Ayanami and Samarkand class ships that make up the remainder are somewhat more impressive designs, but even they are still fairly small ships compared to what their neighbors have produced, and of the three new classes planned for the DCA, only the Samarkand possesses docking collars of its own, which will greatly limit the fleet's ability to operate alongside assault dropships and small fighter carriers. Despite this limitation, the Combine has also begun mass production of a new large assault dropship, apparently intended specifically to operate alongside the WarShip fleet. Exactly how it will do so when so few ships in the Combine fleet have docking collars remains to be seen.

86 Active WarShips
10 Narukami class (2520)
5 Essex class (2470)
10 Skory class
4 Ayanami class
5 Cruiser class (2470)
2 Samarkand class
30 Tachibana class (2470)
20 Vigilant class (2470)

45 Reserve WarShips
5 Narukami class (2470)
4 Narukami class (2380)
5 Cruiser class
12 Tachibana class (2390)
13 Tachibana class (2470)
4 Bonaventure class (2470)
2 Bonaventure class (2317)

95 Under Construction or Refit
40 Inoshishi class
40 Ayanami class
10 Samarkand class
5 Narukami class (refit to modern standard)

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960 Inoshishi
100 Ayanami
50 Samarkand
9 Narukami (refit to modern standard)
« Last Edit: 27 September 2022, 18:02:42 by Liam's Ghost »
Good news is the lab boys say the symptoms of asbestos poisoning show an immediate latency of 44.6 years. So if you're thirty or over you're laughing. Worst case scenario you miss out on a few rounds of canasta, plus you've forwarded the cause of science by three centuries. I punch those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #77 on: 25 September 2022, 04:44:08 »
That's a LOT of germanium!  :o

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #78 on: 25 September 2022, 16:31:43 »
I have a powerful powerful desire to make one of the Combine's naval strategists a Ravanion.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #79 on: 25 September 2022, 16:33:16 »
Lyran Commonwealth

By all accounts, the Lyran Commonwealth has lagged considerably behind its neighbors in the arms race, having completed only one new ship, and laid down a (comparatively) modest number of additional hulls. To a degree, this was due to corporate infighting. The chance to get a piece of one of the most financially lucrative building programs in the history of the Commonwealth was too good for any major manufacturer to pass up, and the last three years has been a bitter war in boardrooms and the floor of the Estates General between corporate mouthpieces and their political allies over every single part of what the program would entail and who would get to supply which components for each individual hull. It took a positively herculean effort by the Admiralty and their own political backers just to ensure that each new ship in a class would be built to a common standard, and not subject to the specific whims of the various yards which received the contracts, and even then, the shear number of industries and firms that have managed to worm their way into the program has greatly delayed actual work. Even the relatively simple concept of an improved version of the existing Commonwealth class cruiser has required coordination and support from dozens of different material and equipment suppliers to ensure that the needed components are available, to the standards the Admiralty requires, and fully compatible with the components supplied by other manufactures, and where there have been problems, it has not been as easy as simply requesting corrections, but often triggers another small battle over exactly who's to blame and what is to be done about it.

So to a degree, the hesitancy of the Commonwealth to immediately commit to large scale production is understandable. While the problems getting the Commonwealth class Cruiser back into production have largely been shaken out, this process must now be repeated for the new Jager class destroyer and the frighteningly complex and expensive Archon class battleship, with the added problem that these are entirely new designs and thus every part of them remains up for debate. As such, only modest numbers of these two classes have been laid down so far while the Admiralty works through the painful process of getting everything worked out. This puts the Commonwealth in the interesting position of being the only great power that hasn't stretched its shipbuilding capacity to its absolute limit trying to keep up with the arms race. Instead, the Commonwealth has put its remaining production into the civilian market. With the other great houses so focused on capital ship construction, this has given the Commonwealth a magnificent opportunity to gain a strong foothold in the civilian jumpship market, even enough to potentially challenge the Terran Hegemony's long dominants position in the next few decades. These efforts have led to speculation that the Commonwealth's long term goal is one of armed neutrality rather than seeking a dominant military position, possibly with the intention of supplanting the Terran Hegemony as the Inner Sphere's peacemaker.

The Commonwealth's future naval strategy originally focused on creating a cruiser navy of relatively modest size, but benefiting from the greater firepower of each individual ship. This would have concentrated construction on two designs, the improved Commonwealth, and a respectable battle line of the massive Archon. This plan was quickly changed by 2578 however, due to intelligence coming out of the Draconis Combine about their own planned "swarm" strategy, focusing on large numbers of smaller, faster ships to outmaneuver and overwhelm their enemies. To counter this threat, the build schedule was revised to remove one hundred and fifty of the planned Commonwealth class cruisers and replace them with two hundred and fifty new fast destroyers, the Jager class, which had originally been rejected from the program as unnecessary. Even with the additional hulls this would entail, the Commonwealth is still currently on track to have one of the smaller navies (in terms of total hull numbers) of the Inner Sphere, though their more restrained approach may leave them in a better position to respond to future changes to the strategic situation.

86 Active Warships
20 Commonwealth class (2520)
5 Commonwealth class (2470)
1 Commonwealth class (2580)
10 Lola class (2470)
10 Essex class (2470)
15 Marsden class (2470)
10 Vincent class (Mark 15)
15 Vigilant class (2470)

15 Reserve ships
5 Marsden class (2390)
10 Cruiser class (2325)

36 Under Construction
24 Commonwealth class (2580)
10 Jaeger class
2 Archon class

333 Authorized
75 Commonwealth class (2580)
240 Jaeger class
18 Archon class
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« Reply #80 on: 25 September 2022, 17:11:08 »
Nicely done!  That has "Lyran" written ALL over it...  8)

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #81 on: 25 September 2022, 17:49:18 »
Interesting development, with smaller hulls.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #82 on: 25 September 2022, 18:36:45 »
So how many civilian Jumpships are the Lryans building...

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #83 on: 25 September 2022, 19:15:17 »
So what lessons did the CapCon learn from the Malagrotta War? Or the FWL?

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« Reply #84 on: 25 September 2022, 19:44:21 »
So how many civilian Jumpships are the Lryans building...

That's a good question!

Possibly no more than twice the number of capital ships they're currently building at any given time, but, since jumpships are so much simpler to build than WarShips, they're also completing them much faster. Very likely the Commonwealth will have a yearly output of around four hundred civilian jumpships at present levels... as long as they have the materials to do so. Jumpships require a disproportionate amount of germanium to build. A 250,000 ton Lubeck class jumpship, for example, has a jump core only slightly smaller than a Jager class destroyer.

It's unsaid so far, but every state is feverishly working to expand their own shipbuilding capabilities. The Lyrans, though, may be the only ones that have really internalized that all those new mines, factories, and construction yards are also going to need more transports to supply them.

So as demand begins to exceed supply of critical resources, expect a slowdown, but not as much of one in the Commonwealth as other states might face.
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #85 on: 25 September 2022, 19:59:33 »
With that many ships, they might still be expanding out into the Periphery...  ^-^

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« Reply #86 on: 25 September 2022, 22:21:51 »
Free Worlds League

Despite the successes of the Taurian Concordat in the Malagrotta war, the Free Worlds League is regarded by most as the second greatest naval power of the Inner Sphere, and with good reason. While the Taurian Navy has generally been the larger force by a fair number of hulls and have clearly cemented their reputation for skill and professionalism in the wake of the Malagrotta war, the League still possesses a long and storied naval tradition, considerable experience, and a large fleet of powerful ships.

This has not caused them to rest on their laurels, however. In fact, the League has been gradually modernizing and refitting their fleet since the end of the Third Andurien War. By the time of Alexander Davion's "Never Again" proclamation,  the League had already added nine new Atreus class battleships to the fleet, as well as completely replacing their collection of antiquated corvettes with the more capable Dragon class and beginning work on upgrading their destroyer fleet to a more modern standard. The aftermath of the Malagrotta War didn't so much provoke the League into joining a new arms race but convince the Parliament to unleash Captain General Marion Marik. The Captain General had never forgiven House Liao for the death of her father during the Andurien War and had publicly stated her intention to see the Liao line wiped out. She couldn't, however, get her own parliament or the Admiralty onside for such an endeavor, and the investment of money and materials it would require to see it through. So while the Navy modernized, it did not appreciably expand, with large numbers of older ships moved to mothballs and slated for disposal... until Alexander Davion declared "never again".

With credible intelligence that the Lyrans were planning on a major expansion of the navy and the Capellans were desperately scraping together everything they had, the League Parliament finally acquiesced. Existing modernization plans were accelerated, dozens of new ships were laid down and hundreds more authorized, and the many older ships so recently sent to mothballs were pulled back out and handed over to the provincial fleets to bolster their strength.

The Free Worlds League has already taken the title of second largest active capital ship fleet from the Taurian Concordat because of these moves, and the fleet only continues to grow faster. Most recently the Captain General pushed through parliament a resolution to fund the construction of an additional fifty Atreus class battleships, which would give the League a battle line of heavy WarShips approaching that of even the Terran Hegemony. Supplementing this are plans for new production runs of the Oriente class light cruiser and the League class destroyer, both built to new, modernized standards. Something of an odd duck in the program is the Dragon class corvette, originally built as an economy measure to replace the older corvette fleet without the expense of building a new destroyer class (as originally requested by Captain General Marik). Many in the admiralty have made no bones of their poor regard for the entire concept of corvette class ships, regarding them as not offering enough combat power for the cost of building, crewing, and operating them. And yet, the League government authorized one hundred and seventy additional Dragon class corvettes as part of the initial build program, and recently added another eighty to the production run. Even assuming that some of these ships are earmarked to reinforce the provincial fleets, this seems to be a very large number of ships that the Admiralty does not want, and it is speculated that the League may be planning to export the class to other powers.

As part of the doctrinal refinements of the navy, every new capital ship built carries docking collars, and is intended to be permanently assigned assault ship escorts in the same manner as the Taurian Navy (though League Admirals maintain that Taurian practices have no bearing on League planning). Though the new Tornado class is intended to serve as the standard WarShip escort, for the time being the venerable DroST IIb remains the most common assault ship available. As the League navy still fields roughly sixty destroyers that lack modern docking collars, this doctrine has yet to be universally implemented, and the majority of these older ships will be gradually rotated to territorial or provincial fleets as newer ships become available. The sole exception are fifteen older League class destroyers that have been or are in the process of being converted to fighter carriers, as their ability to bring over a hundred aerofighters into the fray is considered to outweigh their inability to transport assault ships.

159 active WarShips
30 Atreus class
5 Oriente class (2580)
5 Oriente class (standard)
30 League class (2575)
10 League class (carrier)
10 Essex class (2470)
30 Dragon class
2 Cruiser class (2325) (APF)
6 Mercury class (APF)
2 Tarantul class (APF)
5 Vigilant class (2470) (APF)
4 Cruiser class (2470) (OPF)
1 Essex class (2351) (OPF)
6 Mercury class (OPF)
4 Vigilant class (2470) (OPF)
4 Cruiser class (2470) (RPF)
2 Essex class (2470) (RPF)
2 Essex class (2351) (RPF)
6 Mercury class (RPF)
5 Vigilant class (2470) (RPF)

0 Reserve WarShips

120 Under Construction or Refit
10 Atreus class
20 Oriente class (conversion to 2580 model)
5 League class (conversion to 2575 model)
5 League class (conversion to carriers)
40 League class (2581)
40 Dragon class

525 Authorized
50 Atreus class
5 Oriente class (conversion to 2580 model)
50 Oriente class (2580)
210 League class (2581)
210 Dragon class
« Last Edit: 27 September 2022, 18:00:05 by Liam's Ghost »
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #87 on: 25 September 2022, 22:36:29 »
Yeah, that would make TH start to have a real 'fit'.

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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #88 on: 25 September 2022, 23:53:43 »
Capellan Confederation

The Capellan Navy was in dire straits even before the "Never Again" proclamation. The Third Andurien War not only cost the Confederation numerous precious capital ships and several worlds, Terrence Liao's decision to respond to very generous peace terms with a full scale attack cost the Confederation any sort of good will it had retained with its neighbors. With their fleet badly depleted and the new Captain General of the Free Worlds League openly calling for the extinction of the Liao line, The new Chancellor Ursula Liao struggled to rebuild the Confederation's defenses. Unfortunately, Capellan shipbuilding industries had been steadily atrophying for the last century as successive Chancellors had found it more expedient to purchase from Terran yards, a source that was cut off when Director General Ian Cameron declared a fifteen year moratorium of arms sales to the Confederation as punishment for rejecting his carefully crafted peace treaty.

By the time the Malagrotta war was fought, the Confederation was still struggling to claw back to pre-Andurien war numbers, despite stripping their mothball yards of every useable hull and desperately trying to bootstrap their shipbuilding industry. Many in the Confederation initially cheered the decisive Taurian victory in the conflict, as it greatly weakened one of the Confederation's many potential opponents. Any celebration was temporary however, as Alexander Davion soon declared "Never Again" and the Taurians, riding the high of their victory against one Great House, began eyeing the Capellan Confederation and talking about "Taurian souls in Capellan chains."

Though the last twenty five years of rebuilding their shipbuilding industry has indeed paid off, the Confederation continues to struggle to get ships into service. At present the Capellan navy has managed to launch only twelve ships since the "Never Again" proclamation, and of these, ten are small corvettes, a slightly updated version of the venerable Capella Prime class. Unlike the Combine, where this focus on smaller ships is doctrinal, for the Confederation it is a matter of necessity. The Capellan Navy wants larger ships, and currently has fifty cruisers and destroyers laid down and under construction, but for the foreseeable future they must make do with what they can construct quickly. There had been hopes, now that the Hegemony's trade moratorium has run its course, that the Confederation could make up the difference with Terran built hulls, and overtures to the Hegemony had been made to procure entire classes of frigates and cruisers from the Hegemony's deep reserves. The Hegemony, however, has responded to the rapidly accelerating arms race in the Inner Sphere by shutting down all arms exports to every state, once again leaving the Capellan Navy high and dry as Taurian forces began their incursions into Capellan territory, resulting in the loss of another half a dozen precious capital ships.

The Confederation is struggling so much to redress the numerical imbalance that there are those outside the reach of Capellan censors who believe that they have completely neglected to deal with other fundamental problems in their design and tactical doctrines. Capellan shipyards have gotten the production time for a Capella Prime class corvette down to roughly six months, though there are considerable questions of just how many corners they cut to achieve that. The Volga and Lancer class cruisers are much more impressive in theory, but both appear to have been built in accordance with the obsolete doctrine which led to the Du Shi Wang two centuries previous, a focus on end on firepower that allows for concentrated firepower in a single direction, but greatly limits maneuvering options otherwise. The Akula class destroyer appears on paper to be a capable, more conventional design, but this is primarily due to being a heavily modified (and unlicensed) variant of the Terran Essex class. In addition to potentially causing legal problems between the Confederation and the most powerful nation in the Inner Sphere, the Akula also lacks a docking collar, which potentially harms its ability to easily coordinate with assault dropships.

In addition to new builds, the Confederation is making some attempt to update existing ships, though once again they are subject to the limitations of their industries. Some successes have been the retrofitting of the oldest Capella Prime class ships kept in mothballs to something approaching a modern standard (though still behind the current builds). The refits of the Cruiser class, replacing the massive landing bays for a significant fighter complement, is likely to have a more significant impact in any future operations. The oldest, most substantial members of the fleet, however, the Du Shi Wangs, remain essentially stuck in limbo. Though authorized for upgrade, the shear demand of constructing new ships has continued to push the class further and further down the priority list, while the currently active threat of the Taurian Concordat has made it unlikely that any potentially useful ship will be taken off line for refit for the foreseeable future.

In an attempt to make up for their weakness in capital ships, the Confederation has been investing more and more into cheaper supplementary solutions. Assault ships, small defense platforms, even the long discredited torpedo boats are being thrown together and seeded across Capellan worlds as quickly as they can be made available. Though these semi-static defenses were insufficient to really contest the Taurian blockade of five Capellan border worlds, the Confederation continues to deploy them along their borders, particularly along the Free Worlds League and Federated Suns borders, hoping to deter adventurism while the bulk of the Capellan Fleet moves rimward to face the Taurian Concordat.

76 Active WarShips
7 Du Shi Wang class (2470)
2 Lancer class
10 Cruiser class (carrier)
8 Essex class (2470)
6 Ognevoy class
6 Vincent class (mark 15)
8 Vigilant class (2470)
19 Capella Prime class (2470)
10 Capella Prime class (2580)

0 Reserve WarShips

80 Under Construction
10 Lancer class
20 Volga class
20 Akula class
30 Capella Prime class (2580)

427 Authorized
7 Du Shi Wang class (Conversion to upgrade)
20 Lancer class
100 Volga class
100 Akula class
200 Capella Prime class (2580)
« Last Edit: 27 September 2022, 17:57:19 by Liam's Ghost »
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Re: Vignettes of the General War
« Reply #89 on: 26 September 2022, 01:00:33 »
Well, the raw material needs can be met easily as long as the nations invest in orbital mining and extraction.

This is a massive ramp-up in production, enough to seriously stress the Hegemony's standard to defeat all the attackers at once.

The Taurians will likely continue to ignore the sphere and expand outwards.

 

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