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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1110 on: 04 February 2023, 17:13:46 »
Leaving them on Onverwacht is just asking for another pirate band to come along and scoop them up or kill them.  If they're willing to take that risk, that's on them.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1111 on: 04 February 2023, 17:19:08 »
well those you don't want....maybe buy them a ticket to Outreach?

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1112 on: 04 February 2023, 17:36:04 »
None can be allowed to return to the Inner Sphere due to the possibility of a change of heart and they return or talk to a Combine operative and uncover the SARI operations.


The MW, ASF pilots may never operate full mechs, or ASF, but they may be trusted enough to pilot Worker mechs, remote miner mechs or remote space worker units.


The Infantry and vehicle crew, could be members of the Home guard.


and the Technical Teams can work on none mech/asf units.


I don't know if I would really truct even the techs to be around Mechs/ASF or dropships.
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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1113 on: 04 February 2023, 17:45:07 »
You know, this is where a bondcord-style thing could work. The prisoners voluntarily accept bonding, and get low-level jobs in safe positions. By demonstrating hard work and trustworthiness, they receive more trust and opportunity. At the end lies full acceptance for those who seek it, or a cheap one-way ticket to somewhere neutral at the end of a fixed period.
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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1114 on: 04 February 2023, 18:24:32 »
would totally offer them a short term (6mo?) apprentice position, then if they want to stay they can go through any requisite testing and training to place them in unit.
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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1115 on: 04 February 2023, 19:24:06 »
That looks like a pretty substantial unit that deserted... I think some more interrogation is in order...

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1116 on: 04 February 2023, 19:43:31 »
24 October 3044
Onverwacht (Former Outworld System)


 Later that evening, Major General David Mitchell sipped his coffee and looked around the camp table as the other gathered officers finished their dinner. The only officer not present was Colonel Dortman, who was taking a Company of his Jump troopers and some engineers out to a reported cache site long ago recovered from the 18th Army data drives. It was worth checking out while they were here anyway. A voice brought him from his thoughts "General, what is on your mind?"

 "The prisoners. I just do not know what to do with them." Major General Mitchell said

 "Adolfo told me that the surviving prisoners are not hated by the locals. Those that were hated are dead. Turn them loose maybe?" Colonel Gweneth Rolando replied

 "He told me the same thing. That is an option. So now that it is out here, let's kick some idea's around. Let me lay some options out and all of you help me make a decision." Major General Mitchell said as he pulled his small notebook from his pocket where he had written different choices before continuing. "Option one, we turn them loose and they stay here on Onverwacht with those that have opted to remain here. Option two, we leave them here but arm them and they can act as the local's protectors. Option three, we take them with us, and they can join our Home Guard. Those are the options I came up with, so start kicking people."

 "Option one is basically a death sentence in my opinion. Only a matter of time before some other pirate band comes here and takes over again. It is one thing for someone to choose to take that chance, another to basically make someone. Option two gives them a chance, but still, we are forcing them to stay here. Option three gives me some pause and I would only agree after they earn that right. But there is a fourth option, we turn them over to the AFFC and let them deal with it." Colonel Gweneth Rolando said

 "While we can always use extra people, I have reservations on the third option myself. They are going to have to earn my trust before I am going to trust them with weapons or even near my Battlemech. Bad enough they are Dracs, most of them anyway." Colonel James Woodall said

 "That option four appeals to me. Let the AFFC deal with them. They can serve their prison sentence and walk out free people. They turned pirate, they have to pay for that." Major Harold Croyle said

 "Minimum sentence for piracy in the Federated Commonwealth is 20 years and no parole. I can go for that for the hard core ones, or those that do not accept any other option, but most of those people had a bad choice forced on them. I think they deserve a second chance. A chance to pay for their misdeeds somehow besides locking them up and tossing away the key." Colonel Gweneth Rolando replied

 For twenty minutes the pro's and con's of every option were kicked around the table with everyone but one having a say. Finally, Major General Mitchell said "Harry, you have been silent the entire time, what do you think?"

 Chief Warrant Officer Harry Caldwell sat forward and looked around the table. "I have been listening to all the arguments and I can agree with any of them. But if you want my opinion, we let them choose their fate. If they want to live in peace, they can stay here. That is option one. Option two, they stay and we give them the means to defend themselves and others. Those that choose option three, well that one is sort of touchy, but say a five year enlistment. First year they play engineer or general labor back on Thazi, a little back breaking work rebuilding stuff. They keep a clean record, we can then offer them a more vital job. After five years, clean record and good service, they are free men or women, they can stay on Thazi, stay with us, their choice. But no way can we let them just go back to the general public outside Thazi, word would get out and it will be Inner End all over again. Those that refuse any of the three, well they get option four and the AFFC can deal with them. Which will probably mean a walk in vacuum without a suit, for the same security reasons. Those are my thoughts on the subject."

 "Or, as another option, call it Option five, we put them all in the recruit Battalions. Let Corporal Adolfo and the other vet them for us. Not all are infantry, but they can earn their place among us that way. We can divide them up among the troops, gives us a full three Battalions, manpower wise anyway. And since we are all here, I want to promote Corporal Adolfo and the other three. They have earned it." Colonel Gweneth Rolando said

 "I can agree to the promotions. And since we are talking promotions, who are we putting in charge of the new people? They are going to need some proper training, and I do not think Corporal Adolfo or the other three are up to that yet." Major General Mitchell said

 "I have the perfect person. First Sergeant Tyler Crenshaw. We promote him to Sergeant Major. He can handle getting them into shape. I want Corporal Adolfo and the other three to be made Sergeants, maybe even Staff Sergeants. They can help the new people learn the ropes of being in a real unit. Officers, that one is a little harder as I really do not want to loose too mny of my senior enlisted and my lower officers are real good, but not ready for that step up yet." Colonel Gweneth Rolando replied

 "Crenshaw? Sergeant Major? You have got to be kidding?" Major General Mitchell said almost choking on his coffee.

 "I am serious. He has turned into one hell of a top soldier. Still a smart ass, but he has turned into one hell of a soldier." Colonel Rolando replied

 Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell started laughing suddenly "Just think of the look on Sergeant Major Pullmans face when he finds out. He will probably have a stroke."

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1117 on: 04 February 2023, 19:48:18 »
 It started off with a Battlemech Battalion and additional conventional support troops. Roughly half the unit got killed off during their mini civil war. Most of the grunts and such were local recruits. See reply 346 on page 12 for more detail.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1118 on: 04 February 2023, 20:01:59 »
Thanks for the citation!  :thumbsup:

And excellent discussion around the table there...  :)

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1119 on: 04 February 2023, 21:17:05 »
25 October 3044
Onverwacht (Former Outworld System)


 Colonel Alfred Dortman looked at the remains of the only known cache on Onverwacht. It had been blown open and looted many, many years ago. He informed everyone to load up. "Let's go, someone got here long before us so no sense in wasting any more time here."

 Many miles away, Major General David Mitchell had the prisoners formed into a large formation. It made some of the prisoners a little nervous, which was a good thing in his eyes. "I have had you formed up to hear your options. I am going to let each of you decide your own fate. Neither I nor my people like pirates and we like slavers even worse. But it has come to my attention that all of you are guilty of only being a part of a pirate band. That deserves some consideration. I will be frank, there are those in my command that would rather shoot the lot of you just for being part of a pirate band that held captives. Listen carefully to your options.

 Option One, you can stay here with the locals that have chosen to remain here. You will take the same risk as those you once held captive. Some other pirate band might come across you here.

 Option Two, you can vow to protect those that stay here, and we will give you the means to do so. Those same pirates might still come, but at least you have a chance to defend yourself.

 Option Three, you elect to come with us. I caution you; this has a price. You agree to a five year contract. The first year, is going to be some very hard work, general labor, whatever we need bodies for. You will have to earn your place with us. Keep your nose clean, have a clean record and maybe you will earn a place among us. Those that have earned their place will be offered a chance to join us full time. If at the end of five years, even keeping your record with us clean, you are not selected to join us, you will be allowed to live the rest of your days on our home world as free men or women.

 Option Four, for those that do not select the other three options, will be turned over to the Federated Commonwealth for them to deal with you as they see fit. Piracy carries a mandatory 20 year prison sentence with no parole if there are no other charges added. This you are all guilty of, just being part of a pirate band gets you a 20 year sentence.

 I expect an answer tomorrow on your personal selection. This might be the last chance you get to atone for any misdeeds you might have done and have a clean record." He turned and walked away, Staff Sergeant Adolfo and the others were with the new recruits discussing the fifth option. He would not force them to accept the former pirates among them, that was their decision to make.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1120 on: 05 February 2023, 01:23:44 »
I could see the prisoners being put into Combat Engineering units for a 20-year service.  They do the back breaking work of improving the planet and defend it too. They will not go mercenary nor pirate, but will instead keep protecting the people on the planet.  After the 5-10 years good behavior proposed, revisit that 20-year term.

Here are the relevant posts for more information about them:
#346 - losing half their people
#1109 - their current strength

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1121 on: 05 February 2023, 12:53:32 »
26 October 3044
Onverwacht (Former Outworld System)


 The prisoners had made their selections and the totals were surprising to most. Of the 343 prisoners, all of them had chosen Option Three. They were willing to earn their place among SaRI itself. Former Chu-i Michi Nogami delivered the totals to Major General David Mitchell. "That makes things fairly easy Cadet Nogami. I just created that rank, if and when you earn your spot, you will be given the rank of Lieutenant. Until that time, you will help create the work details and supervisors for your people." He waved someone over. "This is Chief Warrant Officer Harry Caldwell, he runs our maintenance and logistical side of the house. You will be reporting to him and help create the work details. Harry, this is Cadet Nagomi, show him what needs to be done and let's start putting them to work."

 "Thank you sir. We will not let you down." Cadet Michi Nagomi replied

27 October 3044

 "How are the probby's doing?" Major General Mitchell asked the following morning.

 "Not bad. No problems so far, but I have also been keeping them to simple labor stuff. But they have been getting the jobs done fairly quickly. That Cadet Nagomi has chewed a few butts on a few of his people that were not working fast enough to suit him. Any word on how Adolfo's people voted?" Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell replied

 "They are still talking it over. I gather most are okay with the idea, but there are a few holdouts against the idea. Either way, nothing changes until we get back to Thazi. Keep an eye out for any diamonds in the rough that we could polish up quicker." Major General Mitchell said

 "I have my eye on a few, but mainly because they pay attention to details. It will be a while before I trust them with tools in their hands without a senior tech watching every move they make." Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell replied

 "It has only been one day, I am not expecting miracles. How much more loading do we have to accomplish?" Major General Mitchell said

 "Not much, most will be completed today on the salvage. Then I can start loading our equipment back up once you tell me who is going and who is staying for the first lift back to Thazi. Your talking just over a 2 month turn around. Closer to three months. A ton of trips at 10,000 people per trip." Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell replied

 "I thought about packing as many as we could into the cargo bays but even 10,000 people would chew up 2,000 tons of supply per day. We cannot haul enough supplies for them. Not a 30 day trip." Major General Mitchell said

 "What about a limited command circuit. Cut the actual transit time to a single day back to Thazi?" Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell replied

 "But how many could we actually move that way?" Major General Mitchell asked

 "On the Mammoth and Jumbo? Loaded to the gills? Figure 30 maybe 40,000 people. It would not leave any room for a problem though, it would have to go off without a hitch or people are going to die." Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell said

 "That is what I came up with also. That is a risk I am not willing to take. The supply consumption is just too great for that many people. I know during the 4th SW invasion of the Capellan Confederation, the AFFS and even the Lyran's had converted quite a few cargo haulers with infantry bays to haul the thousands of garrison troops, and I am no expert by any means, but pretty sure that would take several months in a shipyard to accomplish that sort of refit." Major General Mitchell replied

 "If this becomes a routine, might want to think about it sir. Sounds like a Zuniga problem." Chief Warrant Officer Caldwell said

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1122 on: 05 February 2023, 13:11:00 »
What I did for my Double Deuce was build the "infantry bays" as a series of CONEX boxes of four types: berthing (bunks), heads (toilets/sinks/showers), water recyclers and air recyclers.  I made two kinds of stacks (the air recyclers were half-high units): berthing stacks of 4 with an air recycler on top, and water stacks with two heads and two water recycler units.  Expanded steel decking and stairs were external to the boxes for access.  Out of nine CONEX boxes, it was 4 berthing (3 with 8 racks each, and the fourth with only 6 (one 4-rack bunkroom and a 2-rack for NCOs/Officers)), 2 heads, 2 water recyclers, and 1 air recycler.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1123 on: 06 February 2023, 05:57:34 »
Long-time forums lurker - first time poster. Really enjoying this story 2ndAcr. It even made me get a forums account :D

Fascinating to read about something that digs into the detail of construction and maintenance of large-scale military units. Also enjoying the hard sci-fi/science discussions it throws up from followers around space and world-building.

Pretty much checking in on this story daily here mate. Look forward to seeing where it goes as the SaRI empire expands.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1124 on: 06 February 2023, 18:18:24 »
Welcome to the forum!  The "prove you're human" nonsense only lasts 10 posts, so please don't let that discourage you...  :)

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1125 on: 06 February 2023, 18:49:32 »
  Yes welcome, and if you stick around long enough you might realize the "prove Your human" nonsense” is just pure nonsense since I have my suspicions that several frequent posters are something other than human.
   You will figure out who “they” are, just enjoy their BT fix and do not look them in the eyes.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1126 on: 06 February 2023, 18:53:30 »
That's just disciplined release of material...  ^-^

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1127 on: 06 February 2023, 19:15:18 »
2 November 3044
Inner End (Federated Commonwealth)


 Command Sergeant Major Chester Pullman was in civilian clothes, it was rare, but he had gotten in the habit of doing so when he was on the hunt for material. He was currently seated at a local diner that was frequented by the local Militia, police and even the MIIO folks, so it was one of the more secure locations for meetings. He had just ordered a beer when he saw Briscoe Osbourne, local attorney the unit kept on retainer, enter the diner and head towards his table in the back.

 "Mr Pullman, someday I need to show you the finer places to get a good meal." Briscoe Osbourne said as he sat down.

 "I like this location. Close to home, so an easy walk for an old man." Sergeant Major Pullman replied

 "I assume you have more business for me to handle for you. So, what can I do for SaRI today?" Briscoe Osbourne asked

 Sergeant Major Pullman handed over the list from Major General Mitchell. "I need those items, as discreetly as possible, as usual."

 Briscoe Osbourne looked the list over quickly. "You guys going into the manufacturing business? You always order the weirdest things. But some of this can be handled locally. Just about any world has a small shipyard to handle local needs, if the planet has water on it. Which Inner End has, plus all around us, systems that is. So, hiring people with experience is not that hard. But are they going to be hired by SaRI or Solar Metals? Cause they are going to want to know who is paying them. Plus, you have all the payroll taxes and such to handle. But I am sure there is a local shipyard in the region that is about to close down, maybe be able to purchase the entire thing quick and easy.

 The smelters and metal working equipment will be going to Solar Metals I assume, so that is fairly easy. Simple capital expense. I can probably find used locally, new well, I will have to hunt that information down. Hospital equipment? You guys expecting some serious casualties? Does not matter, I can check who handles the local hospitals and go from there. Same for the farm animals, check with the locals and go from there."

 "Smallest footprint as possible Mr Osbourne. If you have to go off world, spread it out as best you can. No mention of SaRI." Sergeant Major Pullman said

 "I know the rules Mr Pullman. Your my biggest client, so I have no desire to rock the boat. You pay well and on time plus give me room to manuever. I like that about you folks." Briscoe Osbourne replied

 "For a lawyer, your kind of likeable Mr Osbourne. You do good work and quick. I am just trying to keep you as safe as I can. We got lax once and paid the price, remember?" Sergeant Major Pullman said

 "I remember very well. I will start my hunt in the morning." He looked at his watch and picked up a menu. "So, my treat, what is good here?"

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1128 on: 06 February 2023, 19:20:48 »
A diner?  I'd hope for a decent Shepard's Pie, but think a Cheeseburger is more likely...  :D

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1129 on: 06 February 2023, 19:55:21 »
What I did for my Double Deuce was build the "infantry bays" as a series of CONEX boxes of four types: berthing (bunks), heads (toilets/sinks/showers), water recyclers and air recyclers.  I made two kinds of stacks (the air recyclers were half-high units): berthing stacks of 4 with an air recycler on top, and water stacks with two heads and two water recycler units.  Expanded steel decking and stairs were external to the boxes for access.  Out of nine CONEX boxes, it was 4 berthing (3 with 8 racks each, and the fourth with only 6 (one 4-rack bunkroom and a 2-rack for NCOs/Officers)), 2 heads, 2 water recyclers, and 1 air recycler.

Yep
Madeup something similar.a few years  back, used cargo containers, left a bit more room as i intended them as barrqcks on planet, just remove from the dropship, had ideas for a complete base this way
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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1130 on: 06 February 2023, 20:10:45 »
Why not, there are vids online that show people making homes out of them.  Easy modular setup.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1131 on: 06 February 2023, 20:23:27 »
evening there dave , i think you all should look a todays' oceanic shipping industry for your shipping container type housing units . there are quite a few different ones available right now(2023) . a couple months back on youtube i ran into a series of video articles about just such .

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1132 on: 06 February 2023, 20:26:28 »
I forgot to mention there was a half-height air recycler atop the water stacks too...  :-\

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1133 on: 06 February 2023, 22:11:29 »
Outstanding story.
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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1134 on: 06 February 2023, 22:42:55 »
At the rate Mitchell is going, he's liable turn the Wastes into another working state. The Outworlds Alliance won't like that.

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« Reply #1135 on: 06 February 2023, 22:47:19 »
At the rate Mitchell is going, he's liable turn the Wastes into another working state. The Outworlds Alliance won't like that.

flip side: they might LOVE IT.  Consider the OA's situation; a working state in the Wastes means there's at least one less angle for bandits, pirates, and slavers to raid them from, and one more place they can trade with safely.

The Avellars aren't expansionist autocrats, they're relatively underfinanced nobles in a rough neighborhood who just want to be left alone and out of everyone else's foreign policy violence.

so they might actually LOVE and APPRECIATE a stable region that makes Pirates, bandits, and hostile nations less likely to hit them and take their stuff.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1136 on: 06 February 2023, 22:58:16 »
evening there dave , i think you all should look a todays' oceanic shipping industry for your shipping container type housing units . there are quite a few different ones available right now(2023) . a couple months back on youtube i ran into a series of video articles about just such .


Yep
First started the ideas on this 10-12  years back, saw lots of pics of in country quarters in iraq and afganistan then extrapolated what could you do with a bunch of hardened conex type units, addedin trailers, HQ and medical versions, mess halls, machine shops etc
Original plan was for a specialized recon unit, but with all thier stuff they could break it down and be fully loaded on thier Seeker dropship in about 3 hours
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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1137 on: 07 February 2023, 04:31:45 »
I spent a year living in one of those things...  :P

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« Reply #1138 on: 07 February 2023, 08:32:51 »
flip side: they might LOVE IT.  Consider the OA's situation; a working state in the Wastes means there's at least one less angle for bandits, pirates, and slavers to raid them from, and one more place they can trade with safely.

The Avellars aren't expansionist autocrats, they're relatively underfinanced nobles in a rough neighborhood who just want to be left alone and out of everyone else's foreign policy violence.

so they might actually LOVE and APPRECIATE a stable region that makes Pirates, bandits, and hostile nations less likely to hit them and take their stuff.

Eventually the Draconis Combine will notice the OA is trading with a third party, and start to wonder who that third party is.  When the DC discovers that SaRI is the group, and that SaRI was descended from FedSuns personnel, that will give an interesting reaction.

The other option is the OA list their trade as with the leftover Draconis troops.  When the DC hears that (former) Chu-i Michi Nogami is the contact, they will try to contact them and bring them back into the shadow of the Dragon.

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Re: What Could Go Wrong
« Reply #1139 on: 07 February 2023, 12:43:30 »
Conex boxes for living quarters or pre-built and portable facilities are a no brainer option as long as you take into consideration there weaknesses during both construction and utilization. The biggest weakness is that they can really only support weight at the corners. This allows them to be easily stacked and locked together. It does no lend itself to burying them or any attachments that place a load anywhere other than the corners.

The metal sides are thick enough to actually stop alot of small arms from penetrating them so they make great walls if stacked end to end. If you fill them with dirt or concrete once they are placed they are virtually impenetrable by anything short of heavy weapons. You can stand a 40' conex on its end and the end 10' feet down and fill the bottom with rocks and dirt or concrete and have a very tough watch tower 30' tall.

I could see a unit with many of these things specially modified to be able to be placed together like legos to build a protected camp complete with watch towers in a few hours.
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