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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #30 on: 25 February 2021, 21:40:45 »
Ah, the glory days!

For the record, Liam (formerly Nevversan) was the originator and driving force behind the Archive which pre-dated alot. Posted on Forums 1.0 and prior to TRO3057 Revised if I remember correctly. Irose, Dark Falcon, and myself had a great time contributing to his effort trying to create the Navies of the Era using the House Sourcebooks and TRO 2750 as our guide posts. Much of these designs inspired or were wholly included in TRO2800.

I was thinking you could include some new canon naval advances in your write up here. Naval Gauss was not included in early warship tech and could be used as an example of something that worked per say. Not too mention Mass Drivers and other newer creations.

Looking forward to seeing more marauder648!
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #31 on: 27 February 2021, 14:41:13 »
London - Terra - March 18th 2746.

There was a soft knock at the door of the DNC’s office and Nathaniel Barnaby looked up from his computer, wondering just who it could be.

“Come.” The DNC, or Director of Naval Construction was one of the most powerful men in the Star League Navy, working directly with the Office of the First Naval Lord, Admiral Fisher, he’d been in the role now for more than 30 years and had been in and around ship and station construction since his early teens. Together, Fisher and Barnaby were a formidable team, combining Fisher’s drive, energy and vision as well and his relentless drive to improve the efficiency of the Star League Navy, and Barnaby’s technical and organisational skills. Although WarShips were still designed by outside firms, they had to go by Barnaby who would suggest changes and alterations to improve upon them. He was also responsible for actually building the ships themselves, construction, supply and fitting out schedules all fell under the DNC’s purview.

A young Officer stepped into the office as the oak door swung open, and the DNC recognised him immediately, one of Fisher’s Aide De Camps and he snapped to attention, giving Barnaby a short military bow. “Sir, a letter and token for you from Admiral Fisher, he requested you see the token first before reading the letter.”

‘Uh-oh..’ Barnaby thought as he took both objects, the ‘token’ was a rather small rectangular wooden box and the letter was in a thickly padded envelope. It was one of many of Fisher’s little quirks, he preferred to send written letters instead of emails, this didn’t mean he didn’t use emails but for personal or opinionated matters he preferred letters, less chance of them leaking that way.

“Thank you, Lieutenant, give my regards to the Admiral and I hope you have a good evening as well.”

Now able to look at the box properly he saw it was a bottle of single malt Northwind Whiskey. 45 years old and after a quick search on his computer, it was from a very good year and one of their best distilleries. Barnaby smiled, Fisher had been unable to attend his birthday celebrations last month and he guessed that this letter was for two reasons. One, to have a bloody big rant about something, and to act as cover for giving him this gift.

Pouring a glass, Nathaniel sat down, opened the letter, and started to read.

Nathaniel! Lieutenant Achebe has a token for you and you are going to need it when you see this nonsense I found in the files for submitted designs from your predecessors that had somehow gotten past anyone with an ounce of brains and had been provisionally approved!

I want to know what bunch of short-sighted, brainless Mandarins designed this nonsense! More than twenty billion dollars per unit and for what!? I swear if this was a design of BNCS before you got a hand on their reigns I will go to their headquarters and strangle their design staff with my bare hands!

I sense the hand of certain Admirals and senior officials who shall not be named in this abomination. It has their hallmark of lunacy writ large over it! And I do not mean to disparage the work you did with the Sovetskii Soyuz class, for she was a beautiful design, magnificently laid out, and easy to repair! But they forgot to put the guns and armour on it! Did those fools forget that the primary purpose of a WarShip is to FIGHT!? Thank God you were able to work your magic once I got the construction halted!

Now onto this abomination, a 1.1 megaton ship which is not that uncommon, she’s the same weight as an Atreus class, but the role combination? A ‘bombardment carrier’, I ask you what fools thought to combine such roles? I swear this thing was the inspiration for Capellan’s Soyal class, and that is why I am burying it! You’ve seen those fossils and fools, those illiterate dinosaurs who haunt the holovid, long since retired with NO ideas or thoughts on modern naval technology talking about those impressive-looking but useless ships on the TV. The idiots who advise the First Lord making noises about these Capellan ‘Super Ships’ and their ‘terrifying’ mass drivers, poppycock! They’re doing it to sell books, make money and settle scores! I will send you a digital record of the files for this ship, bury them, ensure they do NOT see the light of day!

Barnaby put the letter down and sure enough, the files were there for the Tartarus class as it was being called by its designers. 1,100,000 tons and, at first brush, quite impressive. The Light Mass Driver that ran halfway down the ships hull was, on paper, an impressive weapon, but they had limited firing arcs, were a maintenance nightmare and the great mass of the weapon was useless if someone got out of its firing arc and looking at the Tartarus’ acceleration curve, Nathaniel wasn’t impressed, she would be as slow as an old Aegis class cruiser. Taking a sip of the exceedingly good whiskey he returned to the letter.

‘This abomination and crime against common sense is suppose to be a ‘carrier’ as well, carrying a pathetic forty-eight fighters, what buffoon called this ship a carrier? You know the struggles my predecessor had to get carriers accepted in the fleet and this…is NO carrier!’

Barnaby snorted softly, Fisher was right, his predecessor, Admiral Athena Wright had been a huge supporter of an enlarged carrier doctrine and had authorised the production of the Ark Royals as well as the adoption of the Samarkand’s into SLDF service. This had been fiercely opposed by the 'big gun lobby’, Admirals who preferred battleships and viewed large carriers as a waste of time and money. Fisher and Barnaby were still grappling with these ‘cabals’ as Fisher called them as they sought to balance the fleet and move away from the ‘drown an opponent with battleships’ viewpoint.

‘Now I will admit that her secondary armament is at least useful, but this ‘bombardment’ ship’s main and only weapon for that role is her Mass Driver, or her stern-mounted missile launchers, which are clearly meant for ground bombardment duties. But that aside, if you can avoid the Mass Driver, and with her sluggish speed, she can’t out-turn an asteroid, and in a more standard engagement against a faster opponent, her armament is at best adequate for a ship her size, more akin to a Cameron class than would be suitable for a ship of her mass and cost!’

Here the Admiral was right, 45cm lasers, Medium Naval PPCs, and Heavy Naval Autocannons were the order of the day, adequate but not overwhelming. The layout was also hamstrung by the huge mass driver that ran down the ship from the bow to almost amidships. The weapons placement meant that any fighter facilities and grav decks were pushed aft and Barnaby noted that the aft quarter also had the least protection. This also made the engineering spaces more cramped and crowded and would have made any refitting or overhauls more involved, expensive and time consuming. Barnaby knew of the buzz the Soyals’ had generated, he’d seen their plans and in truth wasn’t impressed, yes they were large, impressive ships but remove their Mass Drive from the equation and they were woefully under-gunned for their size.

‘You and I both know that there’s going to be pressure on us soon to make a ‘response’ to the Soyal, it must NOT be this ship. I’ll do my best to stave off the hounds and their panicked baying, but I fear we’re already fighting a rearguard action. We will discuss matters at our next meeting regarding any future designs. Also did you see the internal layout!? Was this designed by King Minos to hold the minotaur? A labyrinth of decks and throughways because of that damn mass driver, and her armour protection? Utterly inadequate! I could see SOME role for this ship, to standoff and destroy fixed installations as they can’t dodge out the way of a mass driver round at least! But we’re far better off with our current technology, the Mk 409 fire control is a huge success and combined with the new firing protocols allow our ships to reach out and engage at far greater ranges than the House Fleets and we still have that card up our sleeve as the First Lord will not release that technology to the Houses. Mass drivers are a fad, yes, they are kicking up a storm now but it is surely a storm in a teacup! I would say that common sense will prevail but you and I both know that common sense is not that common! Especially in higher ranks! Together we will make the SLN unchallengeable, but the ‘House that Jack built’ must follow the scheme, the whole scheme and nothing but the scheme! You and your lovely wife are invited to dinner next month, I’ve some ideas I want to run by you but that’s for another time my dear friend!

Yours until Coal Sprouts

John Fisher


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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #32 on: 27 February 2021, 14:59:01 »

Good story, more please.  :thumbsup:

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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #33 on: 27 February 2021, 15:53:18 »
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #34 on: 27 February 2021, 18:22:38 »
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #35 on: 27 February 2021, 22:10:31 »
One small quibble: juniors send their respects to superiors.  Superiors send their regards to juniors.

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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #36 on: 28 February 2021, 11:05:44 »
I'm trying to look on the bright side of Mass Drivers being used by the WOB, and I think it's a good thing they wasted resources on them instead of doing something like making more effective combat units.

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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #37 on: 28 February 2021, 14:12:01 »
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #38 on: 28 February 2021, 14:12:48 »
I'm trying to look on the bright side of Mass Drivers being used by the WOB, and I think it's a good thing they wasted resources on them instead of doing something like making more effective combat units.
Yep, that's a bright side all right...  :D

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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #39 on: 02 March 2021, 04:39:22 »
Lexington Class Large Armoured Cruiser.

Designed before the Reunification War the Lexington class would cause one of the first large scale spats in halls of the newly formed SLDF Admiralty.

Massing 1.5 million tons the Lexington’s were huge ships for their time and would be one of the largest ships designed in the era and were larger than the standard SLDF Battleship, the Monsoon Class in terms of length and displacement. The class would also boast impressive armour protection thanks to 4,500 tons of Ferro-Carbide plating. But here the similarities stopped with battleships as the design’s firepower was modelled along cruiser lines. Clusters of Medium Naval Autocannons, 45cm Lasers and Medium Naval PPCs formed the bulk of the ships armament whilst Barracuda and Killer Whale Missile Launchers provided the main anti-fighter and nuclear bombardment capability. The classes fighter carrying capacity was impressive though with them being able to deploy up to 48 fighters as well as 12 shuttles and small craft, and like the Monsoon, the Lexington could carry 6 DropShips.

Authorised for limited production in the build up to hostilities the Lexington fell afoul of wrangling over its role. Battleship Admirals said that the ship was clearly a battleship thanks to its size and protection as well as aerospace capacity. They would also be more modern than many battleships with the SLDF having to rely on older Monsoon and even Dreadnought class ships in addition to the Farragut class. Cruiser Admirals said that its speed, endurance and more limited firepower made it a cruiser and was a suitable replacement for the numerous Aegis class ships and a Command ship for squadrons of Avatar class heavy cruisers. And it would also allow them to retire the quite frankly decrepit Black Lion class Battlecruisers now upgraded to the Block II standard that at least made them ‘adequate’ for any fleet service.

Whilst this doctrinal bickering didn’t affect the introduction of the Lexington, the cost of its armour and the fact that they took up slips needed for Battleships did. There would also be a series of bureaucratic ‘plots’ within the halls of the Admiralty to kill the project from both sides of the debate, a ‘if we can’t have it then no one will’ mindset. The class had been designed to counter the Albion class Battlecruiser designed by House Davion and in this role, it was successful, but the ego’s over doctrinal disputes as well as the cost of the ship limited its production. In the end eighteen ships would enter service with the SLDF, spread between cruiser squadrons where they acted as flagships, and with battleship squadrons where they acted as a ‘fast wing’ for the far more numerous Monsoon’s. During the Reunification War, the Lexington's were found to be the best answer to the much-feared Taurus class Battlecruiser and the equally formidable Protector class Battleships fielded by the Taurians. The speed of the Lexington let it engage the Taurus on its own terms, and whilst the Taurus could easily bully any cruiser or destroyer group, they had trouble with larger vessels. And, save the Farragut class, the Lexington was the largest ship within the SLN at the time and one of the better armed.

Despite their firepower six ships would be lost during the Reunification War, but only after taking heavy damage, the rest would be modernised in the 2700’s as part of the Fleet 2800 Program. Admiral Fisher, the First Naval Lord would re-designate the class as Battleships and their refit did bring them up to battleship standards in terms of firepower but all the ships were old and had suffered damage during the Reunification War and in skirmishes after such as during Operation SMOTHER as well as the Hidden Wars. Their age was starting to show and despite their refits, the class was largely relegated to defending important systems or were mothballed. Reactivated at the start of the New Vandenberg Uprising, the surviving ships resumed their guardship duties around Hegemony worlds and were still performing this role at the outbreak of the Amaris Civil War.

The SLS Alexandria and SLS Nairobi were captured by Rimworld forces and would be destroyed in the march on Terra. It is not known if any Lexington class ships survived to be taken by General Kerensky’s forces in Operation EXODUS.
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #40 on: 02 March 2021, 08:59:51 »
Question, are you going to stat out the periphery ships as well?

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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #41 on: 02 March 2021, 09:22:05 »
Question, are you going to stat out the periphery ships as well?

Oh yes, we're doing two books, one's the SLDF the other's the Great Houses and Periphery forces and its all set pre-coup and the start of the 1st Succession War.
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #42 on: 02 March 2021, 10:04:18 »
Is the Fleet 2800 going to be made into PDF once it's done or is there separate source book your working on, marauder?
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #43 on: 02 March 2021, 10:39:21 »
Is the Fleet 2800 going to be made into PDF once it's done or is there separate source book your working on, marauder?

It'll be PDFs :) Its not gonna have art in it other than already existant art though, so don't expect anything new.
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #44 on: 02 March 2021, 11:27:07 »
It'll be PDFs :) Its not gonna have art in it other than already existant art though, so don't expect anything new.
Between this and the Wars of Grievance Era Report, you certainly have your hands full.

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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #45 on: 02 March 2021, 13:58:35 »
I was hoping for descent over art.  :-X
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Re: The Fleet 2800 Program.
« Reply #46 on: 02 March 2021, 16:57:35 »
I was hoping for descent over art.  :-X

Well if you wanna contribute :p
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