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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #180 on: 22 April 2015, 02:41:00 »
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- Are fan-funded 'Mechs (or even vehicles) going to be Online Store Exclusive, or will there be a chance that these might sneak into standard distribution?

As a Purveyor of fine IWM pewter miniatures, yes retailers can get Online Store Exclusives for you. I deal directly with IWM and it is not a problem at all. However, if your FLGS deals through a distributor I could see that it may be a bit more problematic with middle-men involved.

I am Australia-based so it is probably not economical for me to assist many of you. However, may I suggest that if your FLGS is unable to assist you then please consider getting in touch with Derek (aka Dragon41673) from Aries Games & Miniatures, I believe he may be able to assist.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #181 on: 25 May 2015, 09:03:15 »
When we re-sculpt the Flashman, will we be doing the entire mini, or just the arms?  Most complains center entirely on the arms.  If we keep the rest of the original sculpt, then the time and costs associated with the funding should be small.  I might even finance the entire thing myself.

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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #182 on: 25 May 2015, 15:00:19 »
Honestly I was hoping to get the legs more inline with the art I've already posted.  I've always felt the torso got bulbus as it went up (the miniature anyway) and some of the other art makes it more even?  dunno.

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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #183 on: 29 May 2015, 10:21:03 »
The last time I built a Flashman, I moved the spot where the hips join the body (This took a lot of cutting and filing). I wanted the torso to sit further back, between the legs, rather than way out in front.

I'm curious how other people think of the arrangement.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #184 on: 29 May 2015, 10:57:42 »








I feel like the first image is what we have now and that the art was based on the miniature as much as anything.  It has the skinny ankles, bulbous torso (aka, egghead,) and arms that lack lower or upper actuators that is somewhat mitigated IMHO in the other two pictures.  Also has the "SRM-4/AMS/ML/some box with four holes in it."  Not sure what that is and I'm not sure if any of the older units 7K/8K units match that... thing... in stats.

I like the look of either of the second two pictures.  The third image is closer to the current miniature/art but it (and it might be the point of view) appears to be a little shorter than the miniature (which looks a little elongated to me at times.  Anyway, I just wanted to avoid having the first image as the model and try to breath a little more life into an admittedly oddball.

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« Reply #185 on: 29 May 2015, 11:16:41 »
The second and third aren't very good either, especially if the nostalgia goggles are taken away. The art for the Flashman is just flat-out not very good. This is something (IMO) that's going to require a re-re-re-sculpt as soon as someone makes another Dark Age variant or makes an entry into one of the newer TROs.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #186 on: 29 May 2015, 12:07:07 »
My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #187 on: 29 May 2015, 12:48:46 »
While I won't be kicking any money towards a Resculpt, why not drop the Jump Jets from the legs when it gets done, since no Variant has them?   ???  Well, no Variant I have in HMP has them anyway.  But still the Original -8K certainly doesn't, and that's what the Original mini was based on after all.  That will help reduce those HUGE calves, and keep the ankles from looking so thin by comparison.   O0

Going by the 1st and 3rd pics posted by Savage Coyote, as well as the pic of the mini he posted, it is Quite Obvious to ME that the "Calves" are actually Jump Jets.  Sure, it won't match the Art, but it WILL match the Design.   O0


Just my 2 cents, which is all I'll apply towards Funding a Resculpt.   :D
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #188 on: 29 May 2015, 13:29:20 »
While I won't be kicking any money towards a Resculpt, why not drop the Jump Jets from the legs when it gets done, since no Variant has them?   ???  Well, no Variant I have in HMP has them anyway.  But still the Original -8K certainly doesn't, and that's what the Original mini was based on after all.  That will help reduce those HUGE calves, and keep the ankles from looking so thin by comparison.   O0

Going by the 1st and 3rd pics posted by Savage Coyote, as well as the pic of the mini he posted, it is Quite Obvious to ME that the "Calves" are actually Jump Jets.  Sure, it won't match the Art, but it WILL match the Design.   O0

Just my 2 cents, which is all I'll apply towards Funding a Resculpt.   :D


They're not really jump jets so much as cowls for the legs. The "knee joint" is in the rear, so locomotion is more like the hind legs of a horse than the flexion of a human knee. That's in the original art. The later art from TRO:3025R changed this interpretation, inverting the knee joint but keeping the shape of the cowl over the ankle joint.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #189 on: 29 May 2015, 21:59:18 »
I'm not sure why they would have "Sampled" horse anatomy for a bipedal design.  Plus, I can't think of another design that has "Jump Jet Calves", but doesn't actually Jump.  Between the mini and the 2nd pic that Savage Coyote posted, you can Clearly see the articulation at the back of the knee.  There's no need for the "knee joint/articulation" to extend down behind the back of the leg.

Of the artwork:
Pic One has what would be rounded Jump Jets on any design that actually jumps.  Even the bottom part has the lines going vertically, like is so common on other JJ equipped designs.  From the artwork, they Appear to be a separate piece that is attached to the back of the leg.
In Pic 3, you can see an opening in the one on the LL, and this same style is used on the mini.  As with the ones in the 1st pic, they also appear to be separate pieces.
Pic 2 looks to be wearing "Bell Bottoms", as the back of the "calf" looks to be part of the armor covering the entire leg, rather than an "add-on" piece like the other 2.

(Please pardon my crappy, keyboard "art", used to illustrate my point.  :-[ )

1st and 3rd Pics. L = Leg, C = Calf, A = Ankle
{C}{L}
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2nd Pic.
{CL}
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I saved all 3 pics that Savage Coyote posted, then deleted the "calves" in MS Paint.  However, I apparently have to "Upgrade" my Browser (IE 9.0.3) in order to access my Imageshack account, and I can't get signed in to my Dropbox account.  My pokey dialup here at home would probably cause upload problems anyway.   #P

Regardless of what gets "Changed" in order to "Improve" the Resculpt, I won't be putting any money towards it.  I feel there are still PLENTY of designs that have yet to see life as a SINGLE mini, much less as a Resculpt.  But since people seem so dead set on Resculpting it, why not make a change that will bring the looks more in line with the Design?   ???  While it won't match any of the above artwork, removing the "Jump Jet Calves" will at least bring it more in line with the actual Design Specs.   O0
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #190 on: 05 June 2015, 09:55:53 »
My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up.

I like the closer-set cockpit glass from the third picture, but otherwise:  O0

The big thing for me would be to base the legs and hips off of the second pic. (like you suggested) I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about the upper torso and arms.

ETA: Looking more closely, I suppose I like the feet best in the third picture - they have a bit more of an interesting shape than the rectangular feet in the second picture.

I also like the visible shoulder articulation in pictures 1 and 3. (Probably about the only thing I like in picture 1)
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #191 on: 22 June 2015, 22:10:59 »
Is the blood kite going to be next. Really want a more in scale sculpt

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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #192 on: 22 June 2015, 23:02:32 »
The Black Knight is the sixth and final one of this round before we start all over again. (If my memory is correct)

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« Reply #193 on: 23 June 2015, 11:58:32 »
Your memory is correct.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #194 on: 23 June 2015, 12:23:05 »
Is there a new vote coming, or does this continue along the lines of the old list?
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« Reply #195 on: 23 June 2015, 12:26:24 »
Is there a new vote coming, or does this continue along the lines of the old list?
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« Reply #196 on: 23 June 2015, 12:38:11 »
My ideal would be the second art pic from the waist down, and the third art pic from the waist up.
I rather like the second picture overall.  If I had to pick one feature in particular, its the arms.  They shwo much more elbow articulation than either of the other stiff-armed poses do. 
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #197 on: 23 June 2015, 12:46:44 »
I rather like the second picture overall.  If I had to pick one feature in particular, its the arms. They show much more elbow articulation than either of the other stiff-armed poses do.

This. I'd prefer if my mechs didn't walk around looking like an old school Frankenstein's Monster.
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« Reply #198 on: 23 June 2015, 15:13:15 »
The Black Knight is the sixth and final one of this round before we start all over again. (If my memory is correct)

Hmmmm. I love the Black Knight. I'll be looking forward to seeing how we can improve it.
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« Reply #199 on: 23 June 2015, 15:40:03 »
Hmmmm. I love the Black Knight. I'll be looking forward to seeing how we can improve it.

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« Reply #200 on: 23 June 2015, 16:09:10 »
new vote.

Blah... Wishing there was another way to go about this. I'd fund the entire thing myself if I could get a Dragoon or Rifleman II. But I have to wait for it to get voted above the Atlas' 4th scuplt or something. :-\
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« Reply #201 on: 23 June 2015, 19:51:32 »
Tigershark - Nominate them for the Fan Funding Round 2, and you will have my vote. I also get the impression that there a few other likeminded souls who will vote and help fund new sculpts in preference over re-sculpts.
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« Reply #202 on: 23 June 2015, 20:32:12 »
The old fan funding was more like what you want and it created minis that don't seem to have sold very well. This approach is an attempt to avoid that problem.

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« Reply #203 on: 23 June 2015, 22:11:05 »
Blah... Wishing there was another way to go about this. I'd fund the entire thing myself if I could get a Dragoon or Rifleman II. But I have to wait for it to get voted above the Atlas' 4th scuplt or something. :-\

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« Reply #204 on: 23 June 2015, 23:29:13 »
Blah... Wishing there was another way to go about this. I'd fund the entire thing myself if I could get a Dragoon or Rifleman II. But I have to wait for it to get voted above the Atlas' 4th scuplt or something. :-\

You wouldn't be alone.  I'd help fund either.  Prior to the vote I seldom, if ever, paid attention to this portion of the board.  When I realized something was going on the vote was already done and closed.

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« Reply #205 on: 24 June 2015, 06:55:40 »
You wouldn't be alone.  I'd help fund either.  Prior to the vote I seldom, if ever, paid attention to this portion of the board.  When I realized something was going on the vote was already done and closed.
They should announce this stuff.

I don't have any interest in the resculpts people voted for this round, but they had actually been funded before I realized they were up for funding.
I don't want that to happen to a new mini I want comes up in finding.

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« Reply #206 on: 24 June 2015, 07:32:45 »
it's the black knight "red reaper" from xtro: most wanted



Oh. Well. Shucks. I'll still chip in money. I recall this guy being very popular when the XTRO came out.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #207 on: 26 June 2015, 13:26:58 »
Tigershark - Nominate them for the Fan Funding Round 2, and you will have my vote. I also get the impression that there a few other likeminded souls who will vote and help fund new sculpts in preference over re-sculpts.

I'm all for new minis.

I voted for some primitives in the first round, but not for any of the dedicated resculpts. I wasn't planning to fund any either, until I saw where B-3 was going with the Flashman. (What can I say, I'm weak.)

I think you have a shot.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #208 on: 27 June 2015, 20:59:42 »
I know what you are saying. I could not understand why the fuss and pre-planning for the Highlander resculpt (the existing sculpt is fine in my opinion). However, B-3 started sculpting and now the original sculpt seems to be merely adequate and when I get a Highlander it will probably be the fan-funded resculpt (pending final pricing). It was a privilege to be appointed Lead Fundicator for it.

Edit - fixed typos.
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Re: Fan Finance 2.0 Questions
« Reply #209 on: 28 June 2015, 16:41:01 »
I have the master for the new Highlander in hand and am assembling.  Wow.  Like, thats all I can say.  Wow.

I am more about fixing turds or things that can be better.  My dream's a Gunslinger *shrug*

I don't want to take Fan Financing down again with such obscure stuff that five people are going to buy and it's shelved.

 

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