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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #660 on: 12 June 2021, 16:52:35 »
Ah, that came from adding in the COM-1B but forgetting to rejig the table as a result.  The whole table needs redoing as a result.  New version uploaded.
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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #661 on: 12 June 2021, 17:34:59 »
And welcome to the board!  Thanks for the catch!  :thumbsup:

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #662 on: 17 June 2021, 03:00:22 »
It has just occurred to me, and I realise that it's probably too late now, but why are the proportions of salvaged 'Mechs by weight class the same as the capturing nation's preferences rather than the nation it's captured from?  If 2.5% of House Steiner's 'Mech forces are made up of Salvaged Kuritan units and 2.5% from Marik, then they would surely have more light 'mechs from Kurita than Marik, and more mediums from Marik?

Re-doing the whole set of tables to take this into account would likely be far too much work.

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #663 on: 21 June 2021, 16:35:16 »
Hey I was looking over the v10.64 copy of the RATs (linked on pg1) and noticed something odd. Not sure if this is intentional, or was brought up on another page, but 3039 skips mechs for the ENTIRE periphery.  For the most part I assume you could still use the 3029 charts just fine, but there are a couple mechs that enter widespread use around this time (the Wolfhound just to name one) that Im curious if they saw widespread merc/periphery use.


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So the answer is that I'm illiterate and ignored the table headers that said 3028 - 3050 for merc/periphery. Ignore me.
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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #664 on: 21 June 2021, 18:47:20 »
I have been wanting to know for years, so I might as well ask.    Are there tables for the Refusal War.    ie.   3057 for Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon.

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #665 on: 21 June 2021, 19:04:09 »
No, I'm afraid not.  Everything that's been done is out, and I have no plans to do any more: I've simply run out of steam on this project.  I only intend to keep up with bug fixes and small additions resulting from new products backfilling mechs into canon.
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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #666 on: 13 January 2022, 15:58:38 »
Curious: where did you get your sources for the St. Ive's Compact?

Your table only has one Blackjack variant listed, and it's only rated as 7 availability. If there's any mech in the history of Battletech that deserves a 10 on availability for a particular faction, it's probably the Blackjack and the St. Ives Compact, especially the BJ-3. Heck, that's the only 'mech card St. Ives ever got in the old Battletech CCG.
Check out the table for example in Operation Stiletto - over half the entries in the medium section are Blackjacks - that's 14 out of 24 mechs are Blackjacks. But your table has the Wolverine and Shadow Hawk being used in equal measure and a 9(!) rating for the Phoenix Hawk - not even Rasalhauge has that rating and it's one of the very few mechs they manufacture themselves.

And then your table has multiple Highlanders listed, including a 6 availability for the HGN-733 for the period 3039-3050. Where did this come from? Are you basing it on the fact this mech used HildCo model jumpjets or something? Only Comstar would have this many Highlanders during that period.

Your table does correctly show the Victor being a 10.

This table is a very cool effort but the first faction I went to look at has some glaring problems that conflict with established sources.
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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #667 on: 13 January 2022, 18:57:15 »
Is it that odd?  Ceres Metals had long built the Phoenix Hawk on St. Ives, and unlike the BJ-3, the FedSuns didn't take them as a war prize or whatever the deal was.  St. Ives kept building the BJ-3, but they only had whatever they had built after the end of the Fourth Succession War.

I can't speak for the Highlander, though. 

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #668 on: 13 January 2022, 20:03:07 »
Just glad I'm subscribed to this thread at the moment...  8)

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #669 on: 13 January 2022, 20:04:58 »
Just glad I'm subscribed to this thread at the moment...  8)

I'll share the popcorn.

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #670 on: 13 January 2022, 20:05:37 »
I'll throw another bag in the microwave...  ::)

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #671 on: 13 January 2022, 21:10:22 »
Highlanders were produced by the confederation until the fourth succession war, making it one of the few they could actually build at the time. That would have made them modestly common among confederation (and subsequently st Ives) forces

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #672 on: 13 January 2022, 21:13:37 »
They would have made the 1989-1993 era more interesting for sure!  :D

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #673 on: 13 January 2022, 22:33:41 »
Curious: where did you get your sources for the St. Ive's Compact?
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Since I prefer Xotl to focus on writing stuff I hope to someday buy and updating the MUL, I'll try to address these.

First, you might want to double-check some of your canon sources. For example, Sartris' point about Highlanders is in TR3039. I'm also pretty sure Xotl only has the SIC done for 3039, which is 3 years before the BJ-3 comes out.
Second, there are most likely some things that are out of date here (thanks to the rapid-fire MUL updating and the Rec Guides). In those cases, it's most helpful to cite specific sourcebooks, TROs, etc., for potential fixes.

On a semi-related note... I've always wondered. Why the heck was this thread never stickied in all its years of existence?!? I'd have thought it'd at least belong somewhere in the Fan Designs and Rules section...  :-\


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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #674 on: 13 January 2022, 23:25:10 »

The Highlander part has already been addressed.  Apparently having fewer Phoenix Hawks is a bit of an illusion, as the FRR has two types, together largely equalling the single amount of St. Ives (and also being a product of a parent faction, I assumed that like the Combine its PHawks are a bit drowned out by all the Panthers and Jenners).  As for Blackjacks, St. Ives, being a breakaway state, uses the availability given to its parent state, the CapCon, for its early existence.  I also only covered it up until 3039, so there's not a lot of time for drift there.  In 3039 Blackjack production has been ended for almost 150 years.  As such, they have the same amount as the FedSuns (which TR 3039 says also has the most), and more than the other Houses.  TR 3025 says production was cancelled after only a few years, and no source says it was common; thus, I made it overall uncommon, with the small spike in CC, FS, and St. Ives.  What a RAT does isn't going to override that: they're sources of last resort, frequently contradicting hard sourcing like TRO entries; I only recall one time I used a RAT as a guide, and that was when I had no other information to go on (Succession War-era Flashman availability).

This conversation did cause me to realize that I'd missed the TR 3039 note that St. Ives was unable to afford to be choosy and so used Blackjacks in front-line units, despite the parent CapCon despising them.  As such, I should remove the asterisk from the St. Ives deployment table.  I also need to add the new old-school Longbow from the RecGuides, IIRC, so I'll likely put out a mini update soon.

Since I prefer Xotl to focus on writing stuff I hope to someday buy and updating the MUL, I'll try to address these.

While I did a decent amount of work on it at the very beginning, and occasionally make a very minor update if I see something reported in the errata thread, my work on MUL faction access nowadays is miniscule: people like Jan Prowell, nckestrel, and recently especially GreekFire and Sartris far outweighs anything I've ever done.  But I appreciate the kind words (and I am pretty busy for the next few months, so my replies may be pretty slow for the next while and help like this is appreciated).

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On a semi-related note... I've always wondered. Why the heck was this thread never stickied in all its years of existence?!? I'd have thought it'd at least belong somewhere in the Fan Designs and Rules section...  :-\

It's unofficial, so really having it just being permitted here in GD is really quite a nice bonus.
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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #675 on: 17 January 2022, 00:24:29 »
So, I have never posted in this thread. For a long time, I have had this idea of 1/2/3/4 which is assigning one of these to be the percent weight classes....it nicely adds up to 10.

So it would be 3/4/2/1 for most IS factions, being 30% light, 40% med, 20% heavy, 10% assault.

I opened the RAT from a separate topic, and there is the distribution. And for the DCMS, it is really close to what I had (4/1/3/2 rather than 4/2/3/1).

The RAT mentioned this was based on some source reference. Now I really want to know what book subconsciously struck a chord with me. Where did this originate?

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #676 on: 17 January 2022, 00:27:53 »
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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #677 on: 01 June 2022, 14:42:57 »
I downloaded the latest version (I think, 10.64) and noticed a few minor errors in the Clan tables.
-The Shadow Cat is listed as 55 tons when it should be 45.
-The Mist Lynx is misspelled "Myst Lynx."

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #678 on: 03 June 2022, 03:00:15 »
I downloaded the latest version (I think, 10.64) and noticed a few minor errors in the Clan tables.
-The Shadow Cat is listed as 55 tons when it should be 45.
-The Mist Lynx is misspelled "Myst Lynx."

I hate to think what the startup procedure for a "Myst Lynx" would be.  Probably involve some sort of ridiculous sequence of switches and lights elsewhere in the hangar but you could only tell if the 'Mech was started when you put the neurohelmet on...

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Re: 3028-3057 Random Assignment & Rarity Tables - 12 June v10.64
« Reply #679 on: 06 June 2022, 21:34:55 »
Ha!  The console is just a block of unlabeled gray squares; each MFD a shelf with a staticky book displaying conflicting information.  The controls are a seemingly unrelated hodgepodge of levers, dials and switches, no two the same.

 

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