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Re: Arcturus vs Everyone: The Tamar Rising Discussion Thread
« Reply #330 on: 19 January 2022, 19:17:41 »
Why does it seem to me that he is the main character of the new book by Blaine Lee Pardue? ;D
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« Reply #331 on: 19 January 2022, 19:26:23 »
I presume he was left behind due to his competence and sanity? I thought you got executed for that stuff in the Falcons....

In a way, yes. But you can read that for yourself!

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« Reply #332 on: 19 January 2022, 19:27:23 »
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« Reply #333 on: 19 January 2022, 19:36:36 »
He's my creation, not Blaine's. Well, he existed before, as he came from a MDWA Falcon's Prey Dossier, and had a mention as a notable pilot for the Gyrfalcon in TRO 3145, but all that he is in Tamar Rising comes from me. Blaine has nothing to do with him. So blame me for making a competent and not-crazy Jade Falcon leader.  :))

Good work! It will be interesting to see how the Falcons will solve the problem of two Chistu Khans) If Jiyi lives to meet another part of the clan. Which doesn't look very likely at the moment :)

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« Reply #334 on: 19 January 2022, 19:37:08 »
He's my creation, not Blaine's. Well, he existed before, as he came from a MDWA Falcon's Prey Dossier, and had a mention as a notable pilot for the Gyrfalcon in TRO 3145, but all that he is in Tamar Rising comes from me. Blaine has nothing to do with him. So blame me for making a competent and not-crazy Jade Falcon leader.  :))

Jiyi Chistu is my favorite character in the book. Good work. You set Chistu up as a nice guy; he hugged Merchant Factor Jodine after she struck him in the face, but then he broke a Star Captain's nose over a disagreement, twice! I laughed so hard.

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« Reply #335 on: 19 January 2022, 19:58:17 »
So quick numbers based on the maps:

In 3151 the Jade Falcon OZ numbered about 130 systems.
Of them:


* about 35 are off the bottom of the map so :shrug:


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« Reply #336 on: 19 January 2022, 21:15:05 »
I am really loving Tamar Rising! Decades into this hobby and I am still in love with the great fiction.

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« Reply #337 on: 19 January 2022, 21:22:51 »
I'd like to take a moment to ask if the people who kept claiming that this book details the disintegration of the Lyran Commonwealth would like to amend their opinion.

It didn't do anything to seem like things were going to turn around for them, I'll say that much.


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« Reply #338 on: 19 January 2022, 21:48:03 »
I am really loving Tamar Rising! Decades into this hobby and I am still in love with the great fiction.

Same here. Finished speed-reading it and came away impressed. First impression highlights:

Liked the reference to the BT cartoon, that had me chuckling.

Got to see two of the things I've hoped for about the Clans in this book. The civilian side of Clan society getting some time in the limelight, and the civilians who actually keep Clan society functioning receiving some power and recognition that they're due. The Alyina Mercantile League is a breath of fresh air and I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out.

The Rasalhague Dominion dropping warriors on a Tamar Pact world. Interested to see later whether the Pact is already in over its head.

The Alyina HPG being restored to life. That made me sit up and take notice, great finale :thumbsup: Could there finally be light at the end of the Blackout tunnel? And if so how did the Foxes solve the problem?



All in all, worth the wait and stoking my anticipation for future ilClan books.
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« Reply #339 on: 19 January 2022, 21:53:05 »
on another note having read the line developers note on wanting to focus more on reginal stuff and less on one "big epic story"  I wanna pass on a message to him...

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I've long been saying the fixation with a single meta plot to the exclusion of all else was the single biggest problem with battletech. I want room to tell stories about "my guys" as much as anything else. so it's great to hear that this seems to be an area the universe is moving

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« Reply #340 on: 19 January 2022, 22:31:59 »
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« Reply #341 on: 19 January 2022, 22:49:47 »
He's my creation, not Blaine's. Well, he existed before, as he came from a MDWA Falcon's Prey Dossier, and had a mention as a notable pilot for the Gyrfalcon in TRO 3145, but all that he is in Tamar Rising comes from me. Blaine has nothing to do with him. So blame me for making a competent and not-crazy Jade Falcon leader.  :))

I'm glad to see some MWDA characters are getting a spotlight. Did you already have that character in the back of your mind or did you come across him after searching through a dozen different sources for your research?
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« Reply #342 on: 19 January 2022, 22:51:07 »
" <retching noises> " I'm rooting for this guy. It's clearly true love! ;D

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« Reply #343 on: 19 January 2022, 23:08:00 »
" <retching noises> " I'm rooting for this guy. It's clearly true love! ;D

Researching the character, I saw she had a first marriage that "didn't take"; now she needs help from anywhere she can find it.  Seemed like a romcom setup, at the very least.  "'Mechs in the City"

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« Reply #344 on: 19 January 2022, 23:33:48 »
I'm glad to see some MWDA characters are getting a spotlight. Did you already have that character in the back of your mind or did you come across him after searching through a dozen different sources for your research?

I wanted some continuity. I didn't want him to just be a character who came out of nowhere, so I dug around various sources for previously named Jade Falcon characters. Jiyi came up, and his profile fit exactly with what I wanted, so I ran with him.

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« Reply #345 on: 19 January 2022, 23:37:56 »
He's my creation, not Blaine's. Well, he existed before, as he came from a MDWA Falcon's Prey Dossier, and had a mention as a notable pilot for the Gyrfalcon in TRO 3145, but all that he is in Tamar Rising comes from me. Blaine has nothing to do with him. So blame me for making a competent and not-crazy Jade Falcon leader.  :))

(Chanting) Novel, novel, novel.  Especially with the great cliffhanger you left us.

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« Reply #346 on: 19 January 2022, 23:43:00 »
Calling it now, resurgent Steel Vipers finally coming out of hiding.


Someone is supplying the Oberon Confederation with weapons. I thought it was the Falcons but it looks like it’s someone else.

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« Reply #347 on: 20 January 2022, 00:49:33 »
I am very happy to see non RecGuide 'Mechs and complete Combine Arms tables for the RATs. I was slightly worried that the RecGuides would take up all the oxygen and the very interesting units from TRO 3145/3150 would be forgotten.
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« Reply #348 on: 20 January 2022, 01:01:59 »
Overall, very happy with the book. A lot of interesting characters indeed.

However, was let down by the token references to Ronan and Bel Carlyle and the new GDL.  The "Diary Entry" by Bel did not align with how Jason Schmetzer portrayed her in the novella.  She came across there as being the Wheeler Dealer while Ronan had the tactical skills. Plus, the novella stongly implied that the new GDL would be on their way to a contract in Tamar, not sitting on Garrison waiting for Ronan to sort something out.

Looking forward to some follow-on fiction in this setting in the near future.

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« Reply #349 on: 20 January 2022, 02:05:09 »
Someone is supplying the Oberon Confederation with weapons. I thought it was the Falcons but it looks like it’s someone else.
Looks like the Red Hunter to me. Though if that's the case, where's HIS resources coming from? I know he's in with the Black Dragons, but would they really be down with throwing that many mechs and other resources around, that far from the Combine?
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« Reply #350 on: 20 January 2022, 02:09:52 »
Where can I read more about the Free Guilds?
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« Reply #351 on: 20 January 2022, 02:15:42 »
Where can I read more about the Free Guilds?

They're first mentioned in the Jade Falcon sourcebook.  There's a wee bit about them in Warriors of Kerensky.  But the best modern reference is the novel Icons of War, which shows them in action in the Kerensky Cluster as the Wars of Reaving are getting underway.

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« Reply #352 on: 20 January 2022, 02:34:21 »
I will say that I'm puzzled by the line at the beginning of the book about Operation Bulldog forces being attacked by Inner Sphere bondsmen on Jaguar planets.  That seems directly contradictory to both the portrayal of the Jags as being particularly brutal and oppressive occupiers of Inner Sphere planets that did not enjoy civilian support at all as well as repeated places where it was made clear that the Jaguars did not allow bondsmen from the Inner Sphere to regain warrior status due to having a touman consisting only of Trueborn.
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« Reply #353 on: 20 January 2022, 02:40:05 »
I will say that I'm puzzled by the line at the beginning of the book about Operation Bulldog forces being attacked by Inner Sphere bondsmen on Jaguar planets.  That seems directly contradictory to both the portrayal of the Jags as being particularly brutal and oppressive occupiers of Inner Sphere planets that did not enjoy civilian support at all as well as repeated places where it was made clear that the Jaguars did not allow bondsmen from the Inner Sphere to regain warrior status due to having a touman consisting only of Trueborn.

There's an attempt to show that not all Jaguar administrators were the same, and that not all Jaguars were of the same mindset.  There are shades of gray in that fur.  Keep in mind that Judith Faber was taken as a bondsman by the Smoke Jaguars on Tukayyid, so while it wasn't common, it was done.

Combine-born Jaguar bondsmen, led by Akodo Haru, were a key plot point in the MechCommander game.  This is an attempt to reconcile the game events with canon.  Yes, the sourcebooks (written from Anastasius Focht's or Phelan Kell's POV) do portray the Smoke Jaguars as brutal, unimaginative killers with nothing but disdain for freebirths.  But maybe those POV accounts didn't capture the full story.

Moreover, if the Jags were planning to launch a new assault on the Inner Sphere, aiming for Terra, they'd want all their Trueborns on the warpath.  Who guards the OZ, then?  Perhaps using bondsmen for garrison duty was considered a suitable way to keep the rear area secure while putting maximum force towards gaining the ilClanship. 
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« Reply #354 on: 20 January 2022, 02:47:18 »
There's an attempt to show that not all Jaguar administrators were the same, and that not all Jaguars were of the same mindset.  There are shades of gray in that fur.  Keep in mind that Judith Faber was taken as a bondsman by the Smoke Jaguars on Tukayyid, so while it wasn't common, it was done.

Taken as a bondsman, yes.  Allowed to regain warrior status, no.  She was stuck as a Technician.

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Combine-born Jaguar bondsmen, led by Akodo Haru, were a key plot point in the MechCommander game.  This is an attempt to reconcile the game events with canon.  Yes, the sourcebooks (written from Anastasius Focht's or Phelan Kell's POV) do portray the Smoke Jaguars as brutal, unimaginative killers with nothing but disdain for freebirths.  But maybe those POV accounts didn't capture the full story.

Okay, didn't play MechCommander so didn't get that reference.
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« Reply #355 on: 20 January 2022, 02:51:05 »
It took me a second look and flipping back and forth to figure out the map and it’s actual meanings, but man is it cool once I figured it out. I really like this, it makes me want to splurge for the hard copies on the next couple rounds of books.

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« Reply #356 on: 20 January 2022, 02:52:45 »
...is that stuff on page 75 just gibberish or should I crack open a book on codebreaking?

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« Reply #357 on: 20 January 2022, 02:58:05 »
...is that stuff on page 75 just gibberish or should I crack open a book on codebreaking?

Well, the Word of Blake specialized in hiding messages in HPG static, up to and including word search puzzles (Dawn of the Jihad).  But they aren't around anymore to seed such messages. 

Or are they?  Get crackin', Shamus!
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« Reply #358 on: 20 January 2022, 03:33:42 »
Apparently I'm not up on all my Kell Hounds lore: can someone explain to me how Taran's World is "where it all began"?

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« Reply #359 on: 20 January 2022, 03:36:40 »
Apparently I'm not up on all my Kell Hounds lore: can someone explain to me how Taran's World is "where it all began"?

Also, this book is excellent. Best sourcebook in years. Killer job, everyone involved.

There's a sidebar in the Reunification War sourcebook that speculated that was where Morgan Kell, Arthur Luvon, and Katrina Steiner (in her Red Corsair identity) found the black box technology.  No further details have been written as to what "it" is, or how "it" began there.  "It" may have been the idea to form the Kell Hounds, but that'll be up to a future author to decide.
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