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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #90 on: 29 November 2020, 07:15:04 »
So I just HAVE to know, is the mention about an Alexander Kerensky in Russia a reference to that news story a while back about the test with the photoshoped painting with a marauder in it?  Or am I just reading too much in to that paragraph?
Actual historical reference - Alexander Fyodorovich Kerensky was a major figure in the Russian Revolution of 1917.
Though, it might be a reference as well tbh.

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #91 on: 29 November 2020, 10:57:25 »
Even with the Clans losing less compared to the Comstar, there was no way for the Clan's to win this battle. The Comstar had the "home" advantage and perpared way more than the Clan could of. Sure their tech and training wasn't as good as the Clan, but you need a lot of forces to invade, the Clan didn't have that.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #92 on: 29 November 2020, 11:51:30 »
The Clans got closer to winning than most give them credit for.

Smoke Jaguars got to the outskirts of their first objective.  By later standards (Jade Falcon in particular) this would have given them 1 objective.
Nova Cats demolished the Com Guards they faced. There's a reason no Com Guard reinforcements came from the Nova Cat campaign despite ending before other campaigns where reinforcements did get sent from (two reasons, distance being another).
Ghost Bear achieved one objective, threatened another.
Diamond Sharks..... we only know they were there because of how they changed after..
Jade Falcons achieved one objective...sort of.
Steel Vipers should have taken one objective, they had it there to be taken.  Left with lightest casualties of any clan.
Wolf won both objectives.

There were 14 objectives, the Clans needed 7 for a draw.  They got 4.  They earned 5 (counting the Steel Vipers).   ComStar was certainly looking at the possibility that the Smoke Jaguars, Nova Cats and Ghost Bears could have achieved another two between them.

I'm not saying the Clans should or nearly won. I would presume Focht would have been a little less generous awarding objectives if it had gotten closer (hello Jade Falcons). But the Com Guards were definitely fighting for their lives.  Divisions (and even Armies) were destroyed. Several Clans that lost, tore their opponents into pieces (Nova Cats, Steel Vipers, Jade Falcons in their draw).

For a force with no real previous combat experience, to hold up under those losses, is impressive. The Clans had every right to expect the Com Guards to fold based on what they knew of them. The Jade Falcon, Nova Cat and Ghost Bear campaigns came down to the fact that despite ridiculous casualties inflicted upon them, the Com Guards refused to fold. And the Steel Vipers saw how it was going and just quit. Even the Wolves couldn't get the Com Guards to break, they had to slowly grind it out.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #93 on: 29 November 2020, 12:19:18 »
"And the Steel Vipers just quit" seems to describe the Clan rather well.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #94 on: 29 November 2020, 12:57:05 »
Actual historical reference - Alexander Fyodorovich Kerensky was a major figure in the Russian Revolution of 1917.

Yes, I laughed out loud when I read that.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #95 on: 29 November 2020, 14:03:59 »
Actual historical reference - Alexander Fyodorovich Kerensky was a major figure in the Russian Revolution of 1917.
Funny enough, the (historical/nonfictional) Alexander Kerensky's wikipedia article features a link to BattleTech for his fictional counterpart. Guess that photoshopped Russian Revolution artwork in the exam thing created some attention.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #96 on: 29 November 2020, 15:10:38 »
The Jade Falcon, Nova Cat and Ghost Bear campaigns came down to the fact that despite ridiculous casualties inflicted upon them, the Com Guards refused to fold.

Well, don't forget that the Nova Cat Khan actually conspired against his own Clan so they would lose.
But, granted, he had to really screw things up for that to happen and that lonely Hammerhead pilot helped a lot. It would have been a lot harder to get the Nova Cats to lose, had the Cat's Maw survived.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #97 on: 29 November 2020, 16:59:59 »
So here's a question for everyone who worked on this: From the time you started on this project, how much time passed before the word Humptulips ceased to make you giggle, or at least want to?
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #98 on: 29 November 2020, 17:04:00 »
So here's a question for everyone who worked on this: From the time you started on this project, how much time passed before the word Humptulips ceased to make you giggle, or at least want to?

I still wanna giggle a bit
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #99 on: 29 November 2020, 17:14:30 »
216 people are probably not amused...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humptulips,_Washington

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #100 on: 29 November 2020, 17:25:28 »
216 people are probably not amused...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humptulips,_Washington

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #101 on: 29 November 2020, 17:29:03 »
Just finished reading it and wanted to say thanks and well done to everyone involved :thumbsup:

Among other features, I liked the Gunslinger's Notes which delved into might-have-beens, the political skullduggery going on and how it impacted the results. The latter explains well questions previously raised such as why the Jade Falcons managed to obtain a draw despite holding neither objective, and why the Steel Vipers quit when they might have seized one target. "With the future of the Clans at stake, nobody was fighting for the Clans" sums up the Clans' chief problem nicely. Not even the Wolves could claim otherwise.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #102 on: 29 November 2020, 17:31:37 »
I still wanna giggle a bit

I second this!
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #103 on: 29 November 2020, 18:09:16 »
I am not yet done with reading the main book but had a deeper look into the supplement and boy...I absolutely love it!

Finally, we have all the material in one place to play a SBF campaign. I sincerely hope we will see more products like this. Now, there is no excuse to try SBF and maybe a few AS games in between for more important battle moments.

Thanks to everyone involved in making this come true!

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #104 on: 29 November 2020, 18:38:48 »
How would identify the Level iii on page 25?  9 bm, 10 vehicles, 6 aero, and 11 infantry?

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #105 on: 29 November 2020, 19:01:20 »
Avoided commenting too much as still awaiting my on DL codes for the main book so only have the Supplemental and the novella but...

Well, don't forget that the Nova Cat Khan actually conspired against his own Clan so they would lose.
But, granted, he had to really screw things up for that to happen and that lonely Hammerhead pilot helped a lot. It would have been a lot harder to get the Nova Cats to lose, had the Cat's Maw survived.

Similar the Diamond Shark "no they weren't all killed" from Invading Clans, Shadows of Death and this feel more heavy handed changing of goal posts IMO. Hmmm.

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #106 on: 29 November 2020, 20:37:16 »
216 people are probably not amused...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humptulips,_Washington
Someone needs to edit that Wiki with the use in Battle of Tukayyid.  That place has a References in fiction section.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #107 on: 29 November 2020, 23:56:18 »
I love that it all begins with a letter from a Gunslinger.   There are Gunslingers in 3250.  And that is awesome.

And it's a Sortek. Think Sortek is a Bloodname  by that time?  Any bets?   8)

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #108 on: 30 November 2020, 00:56:24 »
Scribe caste. All records are inscribed in ferro steel using large lasers and incredible skill with guns.  :P

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #109 on: 30 November 2020, 08:53:09 »
I love that it all begins with a letter from a Gunslinger.   There are Gunslingers in 3250.  And that is awesome.

And it's a Sortek. Think Sortek is a Bloodname  by that time?  Any bets?   8)

All just speculation, but I come to think, that the Gunslingers role in 3250 might be similar to the Paladins. If IlClan will be the RotS-Clan merge that was often speculated, ist would actually make sense.

We now already know of a Gunslinger named Jázon Marik and now Lady Sortek, who shares the first name with Ardan's wife....suspicious ;)

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #110 on: 30 November 2020, 09:57:21 »
Someone needs to edit that Wiki with the use in Battle of Tukayyid.  That place has a References in fiction section.

Seconded  :thumbsup:
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #111 on: 30 November 2020, 12:42:19 »
What is the point of a Phalanx Star?
Is it to transport relatively more BA?

Quote from: page 22
Phalanx Stars are combined arms defensive formations

Question: the new Phalanx Star seems like it might be fun (even without the special rules if teaching new players), but it is only listed under some of the participating Clans? Am I to understand that some Clans simply do not use this formation?

I think so.
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Five Points working as a single unit, or a Star, provide maximum destructive power with minimum logistical demands. In general, Clans that experimented with mixed Points in a Star found such Stars' combat effectiveness severely weakened. Only Clan Wolf's preferred formation of a strategic command Star-four OmniMech or Elemental Points and a single Point of aerospace fighters for escort and reconnaissance-has proven itself of lasting value. Several Clans have adopted this formation, but only in limited numbers.

So the Strategic Command Star listed on the same page with the Phalanx Star is a Clan Wolf invention that is used by only a few Clans. It makes sense that you'd see Phalanx Stars in Clans with lots of vehicles and infantry forces, not so much with Aerospace or 'Mech heavy toumans. I imagine it's very popular among the Horses and Blood Spirits, not so much Snow Ravens, Cloud Cobras, or Star Adders.

Fun fact: I just looked at my copy of the Wolf's Dragoons sourcebook and Jamie Wolf's command lance was four 'Mechs and two LAMs: Almost like a Strategic Command Star.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #112 on: 30 November 2020, 13:50:21 »
All just speculation, but I come to think, that the Gunslingers role in 3250 might be similar to the Paladins. If IlClan will be the RotS-Clan merge that was often speculated, ist would actually make sense.

We now already know of a Gunslinger named Jázon Marik and now Lady Sortek, who shares the first name with Ardan's wife....suspicious ;)

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #113 on: 30 November 2020, 14:03:03 »
Fun fact: I just looked at my copy of the Wolf's Dragoons sourcebook and Jamie Wolf's command lance was four 'Mechs and two LAMs: Almost like a Strategic Command Star.

Even more then that.

The Dragoons command companies including artillery units very much parallals the Beta, Gamma and Epsilon Galaxy command units from the Wolf phonebook having their artilley binaries.

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #114 on: 30 November 2020, 14:10:05 »
Scribe caste. All records are inscribed in ferro steel using large lasers and incredible skill with guns.  :P

So there's a caste just for us writers?  Yeee haaa!

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #115 on: 30 November 2020, 15:14:05 »
Can someone clarify what is in the supplemental?

"Two sections dig further into BattleTech lore"

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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #116 on: 30 November 2020, 15:44:11 »
Can someone clarify what is in the supplemental?

"Two sections dig further into BattleTech lore"

7 PDF Printable maps. These were designed more for the STRATEGIC BATTLEFORCE rules, but with a little adjustment can work for regular play.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #117 on: 30 November 2020, 15:46:22 »
Tukayyid Supplemental
Record Sheets (200?)
BattleField Support: Combined Arms Worksheet.  A one-page worksheet for recording Battlefield Support purchases and lists their stats.
Expanded RATs and MapSheets.  The main book limits itself to the new plastic minis (AGOAC,BB, Kickstarter) and the current sets of maps (AGOAC,BB,CI, Grasslands, Tukayyid).  The supplemental adds in previous mapsheets and 'mechs, partiuclarly for long-time BT players.
Strategic BattleForce. Seven SBF  (from Interstellar Operations, not standard BattleForce from Strategic Operations) scenarios, one for each clan campaign with pre-built rosters (ComStar Division versus Clan Cluster), maps and scenario rules. Also includes lists of SBF stars/level iis with notes on building your own SBF rosters to make your own scenarios and two blank rosters (one ComStar, one Clan).  The blank rosters come as separate PDFs that are form-fillable. The maps come as separate image files.
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #118 on: 30 November 2020, 17:36:33 »
What size do the SBF maps need to be printed at, to produce standard 30mm hexes?
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Re: Battle of Tukayyid
« Reply #119 on: 30 November 2020, 17:45:48 »
the maps all appear to be 17.5"x11" so they're basically full-sized half maps as-is with the standard hexes (ie you print two and put them side by side, you get a full mapsheet). shouldn't have to manipulate at all, though the printer might get cranky about minimum margins

 

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