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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #780 on: 13 January 2021, 16:40:07 »
I think it was meant that the system was on it's last legs and didn't have much time left, more drive cores or not.

And on an unrelated note: https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2021/01/12/hour-of-the-wolf-part-ii-what-got-chopped/

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #781 on: 13 January 2021, 20:45:34 »
I think it was meant that the system was on it's last legs and didn't have much time left, more drive cores or not.

And on an unrelated note: https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2021/01/12/hour-of-the-wolf-part-ii-what-got-chopped/

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So it does seem Horses are just getting tee'd up to get hammered.  That is quite lame if they follow through on that I feel.  It would be more interesting to me to have them remain and help represent major clan opposition to the ilClan.  If they get rolled I find it a bit hard to imagine Capellans don't also get rolled if they oppose the ilClan.  FedSuns are in position to batter back the Dracs who are getting pretty exhausted, which just leaves no immediately interesting opposition to the ilClan to me.

Unless Capellans can put one over on the ilClan somehow I am not sure where interesting opposition can come from if Horses lose completely and outright immediately.  CJF is cowed, CGB is mollified, RA have thrown their support behind the ilClan, CSF don't have the centralized touman to oppose the ilClan if they wanted to, FWL and LC have already been beaten, DC and FS are throwing almost everything they can into a fight with what is left over acting as crucial border guards.  Capellans are worn but seem geared for a fight and CHH have voiced opposition.  If we don't have them still standing in the next story arc of this era it feels like there won't be much there exccept cleanup.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #782 on: 13 January 2021, 20:56:01 »
which just leaves no immediately interesting opposition to the ilClan to me.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #783 on: 13 January 2021, 20:56:49 »
Remember the Wolves are not that well off either.  We don’t know how many troops they have left on Earth but they are battered, bruised, and no sign of reinforcements.  Depending on the Republic Remnants attitudes there might not be many reinforcements from them to support the Wolf Empire.  This would not be the first time someone threw everything to get a tough target which could result a hundred years of small raids not due to bidding but due to the heavy losses everyone received.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #784 on: 13 January 2021, 21:27:54 »
Spoilered in relation to information from the blog that may be a future narrative.

"They devastate the Horses, both Khans KIA, thanks to Stephanie Chistu. Okay, that part was a lot of fun. The Hell’s Horses were going to kill General Brubaker in the trial.  We later decided that the Horses deserved more story, so that conflict will have to wait."

So it does seem Horses are just getting tee'd up to get hammered.  That is quite lame if they follow through on that I feel.  It would be more interesting to me to have them remain and help represent major clan opposition to the ilClan.  If they get rolled I find it a bit hard to imagine Capellans don't also get rolled if they oppose the ilClan.  FedSuns are in position to batter back the Dracs who are getting pretty exhausted, which just leaves no immediately interesting opposition to the ilClan to me.

Unless Capellans can put one over on the ilClan somehow I am not sure where interesting opposition can come from if Horses lose completely and outright immediately.  CJF is cowed, CGB is mollified, RA have thrown their support behind the ilClan, CSF don't have the centralized touman to oppose the ilClan if they wanted to, FWL and LC have already been beaten, DC and FS are throwing almost everything they can into a fight with what is left over acting as crucial border guards.  Capellans are worn but seem geared for a fight and CHH have voiced opposition.  If we don't have them still standing in the next story arc of this era it feels like there won't be much there exccept cleanup.


I expect one of two things will happen with HH.  Either they decide on new Khans and join up.  Or they resist.  Which more or less obligates the res the clans to destroy them.  For a clan to refuse a rightful claim to Ilklan is basicly insurection leaving the Ilkhan and other clans little choose on how to deal with it.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #785 on: 13 January 2021, 21:36:53 »
we in the fwl pledge to yell very loudly at alaric. we may even curse.
Assuming such an announcement can make it out of committee first, then passed by parliament, and THEN signed by the Captain-General.

Oh, and don't forget any various "poison pill" riders that will get attached. The FWL will be lucky to get it done by 3152 at the earliest.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #786 on: 13 January 2021, 21:38:50 »
Correct. The assumption is that we’ll hand him the strongly worded letter personally when he lands on Atreus

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #787 on: 13 January 2021, 21:55:36 »
Correct. The assumption is that we’ll hand him the strongly worded letter personally when he lands on Atreus

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #788 on: 13 January 2021, 21:58:36 »
oh, right. the regulans are back in.

we might just save the whole damn inner sphere


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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #789 on: 13 January 2021, 22:16:05 »
I expect one of two things will happen with HH.  Either they decide on new Khans and join up.  Or they resist.  Which more or less obligates the res the clans to destroy them.  For a clan to refuse a rightful claim to Ilklan is basicly insurection leaving the Ilkhan and other clans little choose on how to deal with it.

Knocking out CHH as opposition to the ilClan is the issue to me since it leaves rather limited opposition to the ilClan's will.  Clan Wolf has expended a a significant amount of their touman but have secured tremendous industrial capabilities and have a large number of assets to call upon while any remaining opposition after CHH is either Capellan or in even worse condition, except for maybe the homeworld clans if they return.  That just seems uninteresting to me.  My least favorite era in the past was the 4th SW into the clan era because of the dominance of the FedCom.  The Terran Hegemony was strong in the era of the first star league but could be balanced on a razor's edge, capable of being shown up, and even needed to use the periphery as an opponent to set the houses against since they together still posed a threat.  The newest ruler of Terra has already beaten or secured the outright loyalty of over half the inner sphere powers.  I won't say I am unbiased since I liked Clan Hell's Horses pre-Dark Age but I would like there to be at least noteworthy potential opposition to the ilClan's dominance.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #790 on: 13 January 2021, 22:41:26 »
oh, right. the regulans are back in.

we might just save the whole damn inner sphere
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #791 on: 13 January 2021, 23:30:35 »
I noticed a couple update emails for my download file for the book.  Any idea what they are?  I am like 100 pages away from finishing the book and dont really want to start over.  LOL

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #792 on: 13 January 2021, 23:39:57 »
I noticed a couple update emails for my download file for the book.  Any idea what they are?  I am like 100 pages away from finishing the book and dont really want to start over.  LOL

Version 2 added two minor chapters before the second interlude, adding scenes from the perspectives of Yori Kurita and Nikol Marik, IIRC.

Version 3 was minor fixes to continuity issues, such as Alaric piloting a Skinwalker.

Have there been other emails?
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #793 on: 14 January 2021, 00:06:40 »
The first update removed the definition of SAFE, which goes back to being unknown, rather than "Search And Find Everything"
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #794 on: 14 January 2021, 00:19:45 »
The first update removed the definition of SAFE, which goes back to being unknown, rather than "Search And Find Everything"

That is very good to know. Do you know of any other changes? I've been trying to keep track.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #795 on: 14 January 2021, 00:22:09 »
Huh, the print on demand version I ordered shipped yesterday. I wonder which version I'll get.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #796 on: 14 January 2021, 00:23:38 »
i ordered the PoD the first day and it had the post-ch 24 interlude, which was missing from the initial digital release

anyone got a chapter number for the safe thing?

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #797 on: 14 January 2021, 00:39:04 »
i ordered the PoD the first day and it had the post-ch 24 interlude, which was missing from the initial digital release

anyone got a chapter number for the safe thing?

It's the Interlude between Chapters 9 and 10.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #798 on: 14 January 2021, 00:50:15 »
it's not in the PoD (the safe reference that is)

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #799 on: 14 January 2021, 01:01:11 »
i ordered the PoD the first day and it had the post-ch 24 interlude, which was missing from the initial digital release

And still missing from the Kobo edition (so far).
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #800 on: 14 January 2021, 01:08:07 »
Awesome.  Thanks for the replies.  I will have to read those once I am done.  And yeah the SAFE definition kinda had me giggle.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #801 on: 14 January 2021, 03:34:56 »
The first update removed the definition of SAFE, which goes back to being unknown, rather than "Search And Find Everything"
It's now Search and Follow Everyone  ;) Plus this makes a bit more sense.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #802 on: 14 January 2021, 03:58:07 »
It's now Search and Follow Everyone  ;) Plus this makes a bit more sense.

It's actually a phrase from R'lyehian.  "Syha'hnahh Ah'mglw'nafh Fhtagn Epgoka"

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #803 on: 14 January 2021, 06:03:18 »
Just to be sure, the PoD version didn't change, and the EPUB was changed to now match what was always the content of the PoD, right? (I've got both the interlude following chapter 9 and chapter 24 in the book.)

What chapter/page was the SAFE explanation in please? I'd like to check this in my PoD edition.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #804 on: 14 January 2021, 06:06:15 »
It's not in the version currently online for download from the store.  (It was a few pages into "Interlude - Office of the Captain General")
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #805 on: 14 January 2021, 13:09:07 »
Just to be sure, the PoD version didn't change, and the EPUB was changed to now match what was always the content of the PoD, right? (I've got both the interlude following chapter 9 and chapter 24 in the book.)

What chapter/page was the SAFE explanation in please? I'd like to check this in my PoD edition.

The PoD should match v.2--so no SAFE explanation, and no missing interlude.

I don't think the minor changes in v.3 made it to the PoD, though.
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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #806 on: 14 January 2021, 13:47:18 »
Just to be sure, the PoD version didn't change, and the EPUB was changed to now match what was always the content of the PoD, right? (I've got both the interlude following chapter 9 and chapter 24 in the book.)

What chapter/page was the SAFE explanation in please? I'd like to check this in my PoD edition.
The interlude after chapter 9 is the one that had the SAFE explanation.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #807 on: 14 January 2021, 13:54:14 »
I can hardly think that Mercenaries do have a future when the iLclan is ruling the Inner Sphere.
I can see that many Mercs have to flee and try to survive as Pirates.

Several PodCast interviews with Ray and the other Devs have framed up the ilClan Era as a new age of Mercs, with talk of a fabled next kickstarter being "Mercenary Themed."   So I am envisioning a setting where Merc forces are the tool used by Inner Sphere planetary governments use to engage in Trails of Possession and Refusal with their Clan overlords and against clan invaders.

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #808 on: 14 January 2021, 13:58:19 »
with the mostly successful first kickstarter, i would upgrade the status of the next kickstarter from 'fabled' to 'theoretical'

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Re: Hour of the Wolf Discussion - SPOILERS
« Reply #809 on: 14 January 2021, 14:14:08 »
with the mostly successful first kickstarter, i would upgrade the status of the next kickstarter from 'fabled' to 'theoretical'

Mostly? It seems like a success to me.