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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #30 on: 19 October 2022, 17:23:33 »
I am pretty sure that they deploy from the passing fighter in a way not dissimilar to a dropship.
It is closer to a VTOL.

The rules for Bays are old and well established.
The rules for Compartments less so. Even the idea of dropping troops from airborne VTOLs had issues at one stage. ASF live in a weird halfway space and that is before the semantics of "Cargo", "Infantry Compartments" and "Battle Armor Compartments".

Basically it is stupid. They should have been handled like VTOLs, but because we started paying attention to semantics and the space was listed as "Cargo" in the TRO we entered a world of hurt.

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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #31 on: 19 October 2022, 17:49:44 »
Not every unit has OMNIMechs.  Now we have rules to work around the lack of OMNIs but we didn't back then. That makes deploying them with your mechs and something of a issue.

The same unit that lacks Omni-Mechs is also going to lack Omni-Fighters so its not really a consideration.
The end result is 2nd line clusters for a short while had elementals "walk" everywhere.
But given their Jumps are about as fast as an Assault mech, and garrison units are on defense, well, its just not that big of an issue.
And in all cases.......... "Dropships"
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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #32 on: 19 October 2022, 22:13:22 »
I imagine aeropilots who are used to getting pushed around by Elementals derive a measure of satisfaction out of practicing those maneuvers. "Oh, stop whining. We are only doing Mach 2 and we have at least 3 meters of clearance between the wingtips and the canyon walls.">:D

I'm getting the mental image of the astronaut training from the movie Armageddon, specifically the aircraft scene.

Or for the mechanical version.

Still, the ASF pilot can help out.  If a BA says they are about to throw up, the ASF pilot can pull a maneuver to put the Elemental under positive Gs so any stomach fluid can't get out


Oh, crap.  This thread has me thinking about the physics of dropping BA like an angry JDAM...  Nothing good happens when "battletech" and "physics" are in the same conversation.
I was starting to go nuts, looking for the Osprey aerospace fighter until I realized you meant V-22 Osprey.  :facepalm:

Launching an attack that gets up and keeps on attacking?  Here is the D&D fantasy version of that.

Of course BT will need some way for the Elementals to survive the impact without using magic.  Maybe something multi-part where the first parts take the major impacts, and the last part contains the Elemental?

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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #33 on: 19 October 2022, 22:28:25 »
Of course BT will need some way for the Elementals to survive the impact without using magic.  Maybe something multi-part where the first parts take the major impacts, and the last part contains the Elemental?

You could drop them low and slow using the same kind of inflatable ball that the Mars rovers used. An Armored Elemental delivered by a marshmallow

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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #34 on: 20 October 2022, 01:08:08 »
The same unit that lacks Omni-Mechs is also going to lack Omni-Fighters so its not really a consideration.
The end result is 2nd line clusters for a short while had elementals "walk" everywhere.
But given their Jumps are about as fast as an Assault mech, and garrison units are on defense, well, its just not that big of an issue.
And in all cases.......... "Dropships"


Not necessarily. Remember there weren't any vehicles to start and SC don't get assigned to "ground" Stars, Binaries or Trinaries. That leaves OMNIs as the main transport. Add in the Kirghiz's age, and that the C config is a transport, I don't believe it'd be uncommon in garrison forces.
Would garrison units have dropships sitting around for them to use?

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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #35 on: 20 October 2022, 13:34:46 »
I'm getting the mental image of the astronaut training from the movie Armageddon, specifically the aircraft scene.

Or for the mechanical version.
That's not too far off. :-)
Still, the ASF pilot can help out.  If a BA says they are about to throw up, the ASF pilot can pull a maneuver to put the Elemental under positive Gs so any stomach fluid can't get out
That actually won't help, considering what would be necessary to keep them alive for the drop.

Launching an attack that gets up and keeps on attacking?  Here is the D&D fantasy version of that.

Of course BT will need some way for the Elementals to survive the impact without using magic.  Maybe something multi-part where the first parts take the major impacts, and the last part contains the Elemental?

I was thinking nest the BA in a drop shell that includes a drogue and/or breaking thrusters, such that the troopers are laying horizontal, feet first in the drop bay.   Basically a scaled down version of the rig mechs and protos use to drop from orbit.

You could drop them low and slow using the same kind of inflatable ball that the Mars rovers used. An Armored Elemental delivered by a marshmallow
Just wander through Elemental Country before a drop commenting how they are a bunch of soft skinned freebirth's who can't go into combat without their pillows.  Wonder how many troopers will try to do something even more hardcore in response.
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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #36 on: 21 October 2022, 00:27:52 »
You could drop them low and slow using the same kind of inflatable ball that the Mars rovers used. An Armored Elemental delivered by a marshmallow
Design a special padded BA, the MichelinMan... :)
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Re: Why is Kirghiz C the only omni fighter that carries BA?
« Reply #37 on: 21 October 2022, 06:16:21 »
You could drop them low and slow using the same kind of inflatable ball that the Mars rovers used. An Armored Elemental delivered by a marshmallow

Use mechanical jump boosters to represent giant springs on the armor's feet.
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