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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1140 on: 03 October 2022, 09:54:34 »
We know there will be a Inner Sphere BA pack . . . I wonder if they might go 2/2 or it will all be IS Standard.
2/2 what?
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1141 on: 03 October 2022, 10:02:21 »
If the IS BA pack will be 2 IS Std & 2 X or 4 IS Std.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1142 on: 03 October 2022, 10:19:15 »
If the IS BA pack will be 2 IS Std & 2 X or 4 IS Std.

Yeah, but what would the other suits be?
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« Reply #1143 on: 03 October 2022, 10:22:19 »
I can't think of any other suit worthy of being that common/general use.
Maybe GDL BA but even that isn't close to IS STD.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1144 on: 03 October 2022, 10:31:10 »
GDL Stds would be a good candidate . . . heck, I think that would be a good stretch goal- raise $x00k and 2 of the 4 squads in the box become Gray Death Standard BA, making it a 'real' Merc BA box.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1145 on: 03 October 2022, 11:07:22 »
Actually, now that I think about it, they could have gone with a 3+2 split & reused the same packaging from the Elemental pack.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1146 on: 03 October 2022, 11:12:49 »
Actually, now that I think about it, they could have gone with a 3+2 split & reused the same packaging from the Elemental pack.

Which works for me as well- and I am also good making it a stretch goal for different plastic BA, we can see what people want at that point.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1147 on: 04 October 2022, 21:54:28 »
Well..."my body is ready"

But I'll wait patiently like a good man

Anyways I would totally be down for plastic IS Battle Armor sets (even though the only one redesigned was the standard)
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« Reply #1148 on: 04 October 2022, 22:10:11 »
What if we got redesigned Sloth suits?
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« Reply #1149 on: 04 October 2022, 22:17:22 »
What if we got redesigned Sloth suits?

That'll be great.  And the Infiltrator II for good measure

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« Reply #1150 on: 04 October 2022, 22:44:02 »
What if we got redesigned Sloth suits?

I'd buy those. Late-model Sloths are pure murder!
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1151 on: 04 October 2022, 23:23:40 »
I'd like it too: Sloths are the early IS BA that have the least role-overlap with the standard suit.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1152 on: 05 October 2022, 01:40:23 »
The Shadow Run KS closed earlier today (or yesterday) so it’s now officially soon
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« Reply #1153 on: 05 October 2022, 07:15:02 »
I’m in the camp of either just give me 4X IS Standard. Those stands will work just fine as proxies for pretty much any kind of BA.

If we get more than just IS Standard, then I’d like to see one each of iconic/distinct house BA

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« Reply #1154 on: 05 October 2022, 07:28:49 »
I’m in the camp of either just give me 4X IS Standard. Those stands will work just fine as proxies for pretty much any kind of BA.

If we get more than just IS Standard, then I’d like to see one each of iconic/distinct house BA
The former - I agree 100% - hopefully in the KS Core Set.

The latter - not so sure - I could see only as top few KS Stretch Goals as that could be expensive on plastic moulding etc.

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« Reply #1155 on: 05 October 2022, 09:12:18 »
I doubt they will go into the VERY faction specific battle armors, whihc is fine, you can usually get cheep clix minis for them so there is already a source for plastic. I suspect if we see more Battle Armor (and to be clear I think that is a very low possibility) it will be stuff like the Sloth, of GDL.

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« Reply #1156 on: 05 October 2022, 09:27:57 »
Anyone know if they are gonna finish the digital stretch goals from the last KS before this KS launches?  Seems like CGL is behind on the delivery for their Centurion KS and with 2 other (now) KS that only recently completed, it just seems like things are getting more behind or more uncertain. At least for the outstanding Digital rewards related to the prior BT KS.
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« Reply #1157 on: 05 October 2022, 09:32:16 »
With the Clan Invasion KS, that is a good question . . . pretty sure we are still missing fiction and scenarios, though the 3rd Founding novel did come out . . .
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« Reply #1158 on: 05 October 2022, 10:17:26 »
I’m in the camp of either just give me 4X IS Standard. Those stands will work just fine as proxies for pretty much any kind of BA.

If we get more than just IS Standard, then I’d like to see one each of iconic/distinct house BA

Given the mercenary theme to this campaign, it seems to me that if the Battle Armor pack has anything beyond the standard Isba, they're almost guaranteed to be Gray Death suits of some flavor or another.
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« Reply #1159 on: 05 October 2022, 10:19:17 »
Given the mercenary theme to this campaign, it seems to me that if the Battle Armor pack has anything beyond the standard Isba, they're almost guaranteed to be Gray Death suits of some flavor or another.
That's what I was thinking.  GDL is the obvious choice given the theme.
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« Reply #1160 on: 05 October 2022, 10:23:23 »
I honestly doubt we'll get anything other than Inner Sphere Standard, though. Maybe if we'd gotten, I dunno, a Gnome or something with CI, I might have given GD Standard decent odds, but hey.

Also, getting a sculpt and casts that look good at such a small scale is rough, it takes way more work and is highly prone to setbacks. I suspect that's why we haven't actually seen any of the prototype minis yet; CGL is probably still working out the bugs.
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« Reply #1161 on: 05 October 2022, 12:35:49 »
I honestly doubt we'll get anything other than Inner Sphere Standard, though. Maybe if we'd gotten, I dunno, a Gnome or something with CI, I might have given GD Standard decent odds, but hey.

Which is also why I said splitting a BA pack would be a good top end stretch goal.

Also, getting a sculpt and casts that look good at such a small scale is rough, it takes way more work and is highly prone to setbacks. I suspect that's why we haven't actually seen any of the prototype minis yet; CGL is probably still working out the bugs.

This is also why I am not worrying about it too much, I have a LOT of MWDA BA and while they are not scale consistent (Gnomes are smaller than some infantry!) most are large enough to easily pick out detail so you can visually tell apart 2 different BA types, like IWM BA.  Even painted the same you can visually tell the difference between my Avalon Hussars Grenadier and IS Std BA on the table w/o having to pick them up.  Even if the KS Elementals are more properly scaled with the plastics, I am not sure the same could be said at that size.
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Re: Mercenaries Kickstart Discussion 2: Contract Negotiations Begin
« Reply #1162 on: 05 October 2022, 22:59:42 »
I honestly doubt we'll get anything other than Inner Sphere Standard, though. Maybe if we'd gotten, I dunno, a Gnome or something with CI, I might have given GD Standard decent odds, but hey.
IDK, a Gnome is pretty factionally specific v/s Elementals that are super generic.  So only Elementals makes sense.

The IS-Standard is the IS version of Elementals so that also makes sense, but, this is a Mercenaries based KS theme, so I'd hope there is at least a small chance at seeing a GDL suit.
Especially since, IIRC, the GDL Standard Suit "image" from TRO3058 never got a mass production mini in a box of many or even a MWDA version that I recall anyway.
I think the only one I might have is a single purchased model from IWM.
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« Reply #1163 on: 06 October 2022, 00:36:19 »
IDK, a Gnome is pretty factionally specific v/s Elementals that are super generic.  So only Elementals makes sense.

the basic gnome is clan general since late invasion era. Salamanders are pretty much the same. Heck, Corona get on the general list, although I doubt they're common.

I wouldn't mind a bulkier suit like the grenadier, and a quad among a five BA pack, but I doubt that's on the table.



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« Reply #1164 on: 06 October 2022, 01:11:29 »
Especially since, IIRC, the GDL Standard Suit "image" from TRO3058 never got a mass production mini in a box of many or even a MWDA version that I recall anyway.
I think the only one I might have is a single purchased model from IWM.

Certainly are MW:DA minis for the Gray Death Standard, and Scout - I have lots. The MW:DA GD Standard is a good interpretation of the TRO 3058 (Upg) art.
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« Reply #1165 on: 06 October 2022, 01:57:43 »
The problem with "we have <battle armor> at home" with the old clicktech minis is that a new player cannot reasonably be asked to find them.  They may exist, they are not, as they are, an acceptable source to be considered 'available'.
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« Reply #1166 on: 06 October 2022, 02:31:26 »
Agreed. Although they can be found easily enough. Unfortunately, while the only CGL battle armour is massively out of scale with IWM (or MW:DA offerings), I can only field them (as I have done) only with themselves.

And for the record, I'm fond of the CGL Elementals - they paint up really nicely & easily. Just ... no options.
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« Reply #1167 on: 06 October 2022, 11:13:49 »
Certainly are MW:DA minis for the Gray Death Standard, and Scout - I have lots. The MW:DA GD Standard is a good interpretation of the TRO 3058 (Upg) art.

Are there?  Thanks.  Must have been from a later series, I don't recall any GDL stuff.
Most of my BA were Clan, Davion, Marik, or Kurita produced suits from what I recall.
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« Reply #1168 on: 06 October 2022, 13:35:03 »
No the GDL Std was in the starter sets.
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« Reply #1169 on: 06 October 2022, 14:25:13 »
The AoD starters? Because I guarantee they weren't in the original Dark Age set.
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