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Persian named combat units?
« on: 17 February 2016, 21:17:08 »
Are there any units in the battletech universe with ancient persian names? Preferably light mechs or armor?

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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #1 on: 17 February 2016, 21:34:34 »
Xerxes, Persepolis come immediately to mind.  There's doublessly more.

Edit: Asura are related to Zoroatrianism, and that'd count in my book. You can add Shedu to your list, too.  And Thanatos.
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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #2 on: 19 February 2016, 15:00:09 »
The Sassanid dropship is named after a famous pre-Islamic Persian dynasty.

Quite an interesting idea this.
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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #3 on: 20 February 2016, 02:56:51 »
Isn't Thanatos from Greek mythology? Pretty sure he tussled with Herculas.
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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #4 on: 20 February 2016, 08:42:15 »
It depends on the creators' (in-universe and in the real world).  Thanatoi was the Greek name for the Persian Immortals.  In that context, Thanatos would be a singular of the Thanatoi.

Of course Thanatos is also the name of the Greek god "Deathless".  Might take a post in "Ask the Writers" to ever get firm confirmation as to which the Mech is named after, but I expect the answer will just end up being "Yes".  It does however go to show the fearsome reputation the Immortals held among the Greeks.

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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #5 on: 20 February 2016, 10:37:36 »
It depends on the creators' (in-universe and in the real world).  Thanatoi was the Greek name for the Persian Immortals.  In that context, Thanatos would be a singular of the Thanatoi.

Of course Thanatos is also the name of the Greek god "Deathless".  Might take a post in "Ask the Writers" to ever get firm confirmation as to which the Mech is named after, but I expect the answer will just end up being "Yes".  It does however go to show the fearsome reputation the Immortals held among the Greeks.

Worth remembering, the Thanatos first showed up in Mechwarrior 4: Vengeance, from Microsoft- it and the six other Mechs that made their first appearances in that game only later showed up in TRO:3067. So the writers here may not actually know which reference the name 'Thanatos' refers to, only that this was what they had to work with from the computer game.

(Which doesn't mean they DON'T know an answer- they might. Just that there's a good chance here that since it wasn't an in-house design to begin with, there's a good chance no one knows.)
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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #6 on: 20 February 2016, 11:17:51 »
It depends on the creators' (in-universe and in the real world).  Thanatoi was the Greek name for the Persian Immortals.  In that context, Thanatos would be a singular of the Thanatoi.

The Greek name for the immortals is Athanatoi.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=a%29qana%2Ftoi&la=greek#lexicon
Without the a-prefix it would pretty much be the opposite...

And it should be noticed that this term is probably the result of a translation mistake:
http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/immortals


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The Cataphract can be seen as reference to ancient Iranian heavy cavalry; even though the successor states and the Romans also adopted this kind of cavalry, it very likely originates from ancient Iran or from its neighbouring stepppe people.

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Re: Persian named combat units?
« Reply #7 on: 20 February 2016, 11:49:49 »
The Persian Empire's army didn't have any unique weapons of their own design. Their forte was integrating the various peoples that were conquered into the empire, and army, without altering them. It is an impressive administrative feat. Consequently the weapons that were used are more associated with the underlying component culture be it nomadic tribesman or from the Indian subcontinent.