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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #240 on: 27 February 2018, 17:42:11 »
I still think these new boxes are good bargain. With punch-out mechs it got even better. :D

For 8 minis at 60 is seems a bit high, but if you include the punch-outs its not as bad.. but I prefer the old box. Just sell a box minis only for 40 and I would buy several and be happy.


I'm really confused here...where are people getting the idea that the NEW CGL Box sets will include punch-outs?
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #241 on: 27 February 2018, 17:45:23 »
Here and here.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #242 on: 27 February 2018, 17:56:58 »
Here and here.

First one says Yes:

Punch-out playing pieces are included in both boxes.

Second Says NO:

No vehicle or infantry punch-out pieces of any kind are planned at this time.

I'm not saying I'm not happy/unhappy with the news, just trying to understand how something that was being joked about made it into a YES IT"S ACTUALLY there, when this is the first we are hearing of it, and was never mentioned in any of the official channels.

I just don't want to see people excited about something that then isn;t there and lash out at CGL for misinformation they never officially stated.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #243 on: 27 February 2018, 18:05:47 »
First one says Yes:

Second Says NO:

I'm not saying I'm not happy/unhappy with the news, just trying to understand how something that was being joked about made it into a YES IT"S ACTUALLY there, when this is the first we are hearing of it, and was never mentioned in any of the official channels.

I just don't want to see people excited about something that then isn;t there and lash out at CGL for misinformation they never officially stated.

I interpreted it as offering Battlemech punchouts for expanded game play, rather than vehicles or infantry.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #244 on: 27 February 2018, 18:08:48 »
So Adrian, I hear you about the discussion of a loss leader . . . honestly I will have to hold up the last box/AS pack minis next to the new ones to see if I can really tell a difference BUT . . .

You have a lot of people here who are already buyers who bought one, two or three of the last boxes just to get the large numbers of core minis in the box.  Now you are releasing box sets with a whole different set of minis of a better quality, particularly using art that we have not had access to as minis except in a single case (Shadow Hawk), as a starting place for new players.  AFAIK we will not have new lance packs with these minis and we also do not know when IWM will release them in metal.

So how are you expecting the box sets to get into the hands of new blood rather than snapped up by old/current players- just for the minis?
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #245 on: 27 February 2018, 18:09:57 »
The back of the mock ups from last year's GenCon said "Terrain tokens".

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #246 on: 27 February 2018, 18:20:16 »
The back of the mock ups from last year's GenCon said "Terrain tokens".

https://i.imgur.com/Nm3dO8Y.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/doPw3NB.jpg

as well as the expected And More to cover bases.

But until we hear from Brent or to a lesser extent Adrian (a Green or White Beemer), I am all for being excited at the prospect of cut-out mechs, but I don;t want to see folks get their hopes up and then lash out when it appears we were wrong.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #247 on: 27 February 2018, 18:24:59 »
I’m putting together official communications about the new box sets and am in regular contact with management.

The new box sets include punchcard Mechs.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #248 on: 27 February 2018, 18:29:02 »
I’m putting together official communications about the new box sets and am in regular contact with management.

The new box sets include punchcard Mechs and terrain.

Well, there you Have it.

Happy to hear, I know from the 'secret areas' your role as "Disseminater of all Things Official" that in this info I can trust!
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #249 on: 27 February 2018, 18:45:29 »
So Adrian, I hear you about the discussion of a loss leader . . . honestly I will have to hold up the last box/AS pack minis next to the new ones to see if I can really tell a difference BUT . . .

You have a lot of people here who are already buyers who bought one, two or three of the last boxes just to get the large numbers of core minis in the box.  Now you are releasing box sets with a whole different set of minis of a better quality, particularly using art that we have not had access to as minis except in a single case (Shadow Hawk), as a starting place for new players.  AFAIK we will not have new lance packs with these minis and we also do not know when IWM will release them in metal.

So how are you expecting the box sets to get into the hands of new blood rather than snapped up by old/current players- just for the minis?

1) the price is no longer about “DIRT CHEAP MINIS,” and cost/returns should make it easier to reprint regularly.
2) it’s designed to mildly stun anyone who’s been playing for more than 2 years. Not enough to knock you out, just enough to determine if you really, really want it.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #250 on: 27 February 2018, 19:01:29 »
...just enough to determine if you really, really want...

No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #251 on: 27 February 2018, 19:05:31 »
No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.

Weirdo...I swear, if I have that song stuck in my head for the rest of the night...

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #252 on: 27 February 2018, 19:08:29 »
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #253 on: 27 February 2018, 19:17:49 »
1) the price is no longer about “DIRT CHEAP MINIS,” and cost/returns should make it easier to reprint regularly.
2) it’s designed to mildly stun anyone who’s been playing for more than 2 years. Not enough to knock you out, just enough to determine if you really, really want it.

Well...I really, really Want.

As a demo Agent, I wanted with the past box set to have two painted up just for demo purposes, but sadly...missed the boat.

This time around, I will be purchasing two boxes just to have the eight minis from each painted to a scheme ( nothing fancy, just a Forest Camo Scheme vs a Urban Camo Scheme).

And of course the 3 or 4 I will be ordering specifically for my greedy Smaug the dragon like hoarde of minis.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #254 on: 27 February 2018, 19:19:15 »
We will cover you you in tuna and feed you to Herbs cats!!

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So how are you expecting the box sets to get into the hands of new blood rather than snapped up by old/current players- just for the minis?

This is just not a problem. I'm not sure where this started, but it is seriously not a thing.
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« Reply #255 on: 27 February 2018, 19:23:04 »
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #256 on: 27 February 2018, 19:37:01 »
No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.

So tell me if you want, if you really really want!

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #257 on: 27 February 2018, 20:44:42 »
This is just not a problem. I'm not sure where this started, but it is seriously not a thing.

Really?  Look around on these boards about the discussion of the plastic minis, primarily before or when the AS Lance Packs were announced.  I know I saw people talking about buying two, three or four boxes just to bulk out their minis.

But these new box sets will be the exclusive source for how long to get the Classic minis?  And to have one of each, a old-timer will have to buy one of each box which means its not a box of either sort getting a new player started.  Not having it be a loss leader I think does cut the effect of that problem, but that is why I was asking about lance packs with just the minis- because to be honest that is probably all I would want from the box.  Which with the numbers makes the $60 box still better priced than metal but not as much as the lance packs.

I would definitely be willing to shell out $60 for 3 Lance packs with the new 9 mechs & 3 repeats and leave the box for new players.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #258 on: 27 February 2018, 20:51:37 »
No need to stun me. I'll tell you if I want, if I really, really want.

So tell me if you want, if you really really want!

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #259 on: 27 February 2018, 20:58:02 »
I would definitely be willing to shell out $60 for 3 Lance packs with the new 9 mechs & 3 repeats and leave the box for new players.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #260 on: 27 February 2018, 21:05:02 »
For 8 minis at 60 is seems a bit high, but if you include the punch-outs its not as bad.. but I prefer the old box. Just sell a box minis only for 40 and I would buy several and be happy.

No, eight minis for $60 is high for what BattleTech has offered in the past, which was pointed out by Adrian on the previous page was also a loss-leader.

$7.50 per mini isn't bad, when the only other place to get BattleTech miniatures is IronWind Metals, and the box comes with more than just the minis.

BattleTech players have been spoiled for cost for decades on the box set minis front.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #261 on: 27 February 2018, 22:23:13 »
I just don't want CGL pushed into the overpriced Games Workshop category. I could buy into several other games that offer a box of 8-24 plastic detailed minis for $35 or less or a full game with 40+ for $100.

As for lance packs... if you already have the molds paid for why not use them for lance packs as well?? If seems STUPID not to reuse the box set molds for other purposes. Sell the minis individually or as part of a new lance pack. Many of the old hands will snatch up the new boxes meant to attract new players so it would be better to offer them an alternative to buying up 3-5 box sets for the new designs.

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« Reply #262 on: 27 February 2018, 22:47:49 »
I just don't want CGL pushed into the overpriced Games Workshop category. I could buy into several other games that offer a box of 8-24 plastic detailed minis for $35 or less or a full game with 40+ for $100.

As for lance packs... if you already have the molds paid for why not use them for lance packs as well?? If seems STUPID not to reuse the box set molds for other purposes. Sell the minis individually or as part of a new lance pack. Many of the old hands will snatch up the new boxes meant to attract new players so it would be better to offer them an alternative to buying up 3-5 box sets for the new designs.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #263 on: 27 February 2018, 23:18:47 »
But that is the thing, if the box sets are snatched up in multiples again by current customers then its not growing the fan base.  And by issuing the boxes with the only way to get the Classics until IWM releases them at a later date that will not be announced at the same, its what will happen.
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« Reply #264 on: 27 February 2018, 23:25:27 »
But that is the thing, if the box sets are snatched up in multiples again by current customers then its not growing the fan base.  And by issuing the boxes with the only way to get the Classics until IWM releases them at a later date that will not be announced at the same, its what will happen.

I believe this has already been addressed by Brent re: designing the product for faster reprintability, keeping it "in print". Honestly, from the statements I've seen so far, I wouldn't get my anxiety level up over that phenomenon; there appears to be a lot of lessons learned running through the development decisions. Let the new line strategy play out and observe.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #265 on: 28 February 2018, 01:04:50 »
What seems to be the case, at least talking on the business side, is that “vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry” isn’t “Mechs, vehicles and infantry,” but instead “Mechs, other Mechs, and more Mechs.” Vehicles and infantry are the flavors you experiment with once you have your solid dozen flavors.

So to this point, my step-son brings one of his friends over briefly yesterday.  While here, he spots my mini collection.  I've never seen a teenage boy get so excited.  I've got some tanks on the shelves and they were not even noticed.  It was all about the Mechs.  And he wants to learn how to play Alpha Strike with us now because of them.

And back in the day it was the same for me and my brother as well.  Vehicles came later.  So I think you are on the right track there Adrian.  8)
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #266 on: 28 February 2018, 01:09:09 »
Honestly, I love me some combined arms, but I own hundreds of mech miniatures but only a few vehicles (and the bulk of my vehicles are actually from other, cheaper sources because I don't have the same compulsion to spend on them as mechs).

So yeah, I can see that.
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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #267 on: 28 February 2018, 02:02:37 »
Honestly, I love me some combined arms, but I own hundreds of mech miniatures but only a few vehicles (and the bulk of my vehicles are actually from other, cheaper sources because I don't have the same compulsion to spend on them as mechs).

So yeah, I can see that.

speaking of minis, the increased emphasis on mechs is reflected by IWM - All vehicles for 3067 saw production, but every TRO since has huge holes in sculpts. For TRO 3145 and 3150, by my count 75 of 91 mech sculpts have been released or announced while on 16 of 68 vehicles have (and tend to be online exclusives rather than retail distribution when they are produced).

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #268 on: 28 February 2018, 05:35:37 »
You know, thought about established players buying multiple copies of the old box sets to have multiple of each mini really says something about how much they want new designs.

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Re: New and Upcoming Releases Volume XII: Baker's Dozen
« Reply #269 on: 28 February 2018, 06:04:59 »
You know, thought about established players buying multiple copies of the old box sets to have multiple of each mini really says something about how much they want new designs.

From what was said I think this problem was more relevant in case of introboxes. New boxes have less miniatures but cost same so CGL gets enough cash to do reprint faster. New boxes aren't that good for price of individual minis as were introboxes.
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