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The effective three extra points of structure on the head makes you that much harder to headcap. Not going to make a difference against 15 point guns, but if you've taken a PPC to the face, you no longer need to fear a MG or single SRM.

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I've had opportunity to use osteon. Having people go "why won't this thing die!" is amusing

It throws people used to the game off bad just how much it takes to put one down after the armor has been stripped. The prime especially, I recently had three locations carrying ammo stripped, then everything but enemies two lb20x was diverted.

Admittedly the cluster shots did put it down, but it took three turns and much return fire.

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The Rhime Otter reminds me of the Shadow Hawk that has actual firepower: A tough all rounder designed to be the anchor of a Star.

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And it's a omni so when it comes back it could be packing elementals with it!
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And it's a omni so when it comes back it could be packing elementals with it!
So does the Shadow Hawk. Only, they're the enemy's Elementals...
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The Rhime Otter reminds me of the Shadow Hawk that has actual firepower: A tough all rounder designed to be the anchor of a Star.

Weapons-wise, the Rime Otter Prime is like 2/3rds of a Mad Dog Prime, but on a MASCy, more survivable platform.

I always wanted the Hellions to field a speedy design called a Rime Runner.
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I keep thinking they missed a grand opportunity giving it an better alternate name, the Wombat.
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I demand to know which planet rime otters are native to, and whether they're as cute as Terran otters.  This is crucial BattleTech lore, people.

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I demand to know which planet rime otters are native to, and whether they're as cute as Terran otters.  This is crucial BattleTech lore, people.

I’ve been very close to large eastern river otters.  Between their weight and their teeth, they are pretty dangerous, and I wouldn’t mess with them.  But the cute little human things they did with their fore paws didn’t exactly strike fear in my heart, either.
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The South American Giant Otter is one of the few animals that jaguars will generally avoid attacking.  Given the general way that Battletech has portrayed alien animals, I'm guessing that the Rime Otter has oversized teeth that protrude from its mouth, large claws, and a rough, shaggy coat that makes it look like a serial killer on vacation.
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Still sounds super cute.
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There was actually a thing on telly about otters the other night.  There was a bit about a family of giant river otters taking on a sizable cayman that had showed up in their territory by taking turns harassing it and eventually tiring the thing out until they could all pile on and defeat it.

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I demand to know which planet rime otters are native to, and whether they're as cute as Terran otters.  This is crucial BattleTech lore, people.
I don't think this species of otter has been mentioned anywhere before.

I suggested earlier it could be a species of otter adapted to some Rasalhagian planet (though now that think of it, the Clan Homeworlds could be an option). Since rime means frost that covers trees, i would guess the species possess light gray or white fur.
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Rime is frost formed on objects from supercooled fog, most specifically the crusty frost that builds up against the direction of the prevailing wind.  The frost that builds up on a guy’s beard from his breath being rapidly cooled in an arctic/high mountain environment is an example of rime.  Not limited to trees.

I would assume Rime Otters are otters adapted to hunting and living in arctic environments, maybe resembling a stoat or a polar bear in hunting behavior, depending on actual size.  But that’s obviously TBD.

But arboreal otters dropping out of trees to attack prey would be hilarious.
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"Slavish adherence to formal ritual is a sign that one has nothing better to think about."
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Rime is frost formed on objects from supercooled fog, most specifically the crusty frost that builds up against the direction of the prevailing wind.  The frost that builds up on a guy’s beard from his breath being rapidly cooled in an arctic/high mountain environment is an example of rime.  Not limited to trees.
hmm, guess i should've read the dictionary entry more carefully. Then again, close enough. Also, beard freezing is really annoying.
But arboreal otters dropping out of trees to attack prey would be hilarious.
So, drop bears, that is, koalas?
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Meh. Rime is also an archaic form of rhyme, so for all we know these otters are poets or rappers.

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So a raid on an Arctic area with some of these mechs would be rime'ing and stealing? 

Meh. Rime is also an archaic form of rhyme, so for all we know these otters are poets or rappers.

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The South American Giant Otter is one of the few animals that jaguars will generally avoid attacking.  Given the general way that Battletech has portrayed alien animals, I'm guessing that the Rime Otter has oversized teeth that protrude from its mouth, large claws, and a rough, shaggy coat that makes it look like a serial killer on vacation.



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That's a capybara.
Way too calm looking creature to be used as a name for a 'Mech.
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That's a capybara.
Way too calm looking creature to be used as a name for a 'Mech.


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They also have "cute" front teeth like otters, they are peaceful until you look for the fight there, they fall on you among all those nearby, they are gregarious and protect each other
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Rime is frost formed on objects from supercooled fog, most specifically the crusty frost that builds up against the direction of the prevailing wind.  The frost that builds up on a guy’s beard from his breath being rapidly cooled in an arctic/high mountain environment is an example of rime.  Not limited to trees.

I would assume Rime Otters are otters adapted to hunting and living in arctic environments, maybe resembling a stoat or a polar bear in hunting behavior, depending on actual size.  But that’s obviously TBD.

But arboreal otters dropping out of trees to attack prey would be hilarious.

This means they could also be called "Frosty Otters"
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This means they could also be called "Frosty Otters"

Like otter pops?

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I wonder if reinforced structure is something that would work better on lighter 'Mechs. Since the light 'Mechs have so little IS to begin with, one or two shots to the same location can completely destroy it. This might give a lightweight 'Mech a better chance to survive and get away to live another day. I'll have to take a look at the numbers to see how much it would cost light 'Mechs.
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I wonder if reinforced structure is something that would work better on lighter 'Mechs. Since the light 'Mechs have so little IS to begin with, one or two shots to the same location can completely destroy it. This might give a lightweight 'Mech a better chance to survive and get away to live another day. I'll have to take a look at the numbers to see how much it would cost light 'Mechs.
Hardened armor is good on light 'Mechs, so maybe, with the caveat armor is generally better than internals. The Rokurokubi, newest UrbanMechs R93 and R96 are good examples of really tough lights. But balancing durability with mobility and firepower is tricky.
That does not work for OmniMechs though, so Reinforced Structure has its uses.

EDIT I suppose the usefulness depends on the armor amount. Hardened+endo vs reinforced+standard/ferro, figure other payload and mobility demands determine which is better.
EDIT Right, forgot that Hardened causes -1 to max MPs and +1 to piloting rolls. But then again it doubles the threshold for damage-induced PSRs.
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I'm laughing at the mental image of a light mech shrugging off a AC/20 hit to the head now, using reinforced structure and hardened armor.

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I'm laughing at the mental image of a light mech shrugging off a AC/20 hit to the head now, using reinforced structure and hardened armor.
You can do that with just Hardened Armor. 9 points, ie 18 effective, 3 internal structure. Of course, the reinforced structure makes "head blown off" impossible.
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Hardened alone would allow that. Adding reinforced internals it could shrug off an improved heavy gauss round.   >:D
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Like otter pops?

EXACTLY like Otter Pops.
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I wonder if reinforced structure is something that would work better on lighter 'Mechs. Since the light 'Mechs have so little IS to begin with, one or two shots to the same location can completely destroy it. This might give a lightweight 'Mech a better chance to survive and get away to live another day. I'll have to take a look at the numbers to see how much it would cost light 'Mechs.

It works OK, but isn't the best. The new Mongoose, for example, is able to take an extra 10 point hit to any torso or leg location.
That's the upside. The downside is the low amounts of structure that you've got to start with. That extra 10 point hit to a side torso? Only translates to an extra 5 point hit as well. Not nearly as glamorous.

It's when used on heavier designs that things start to get interesting. The base amount of structure jumps up, which means when doubled, you can start tanking bigger hits or larger number of smaller ones.
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I wonder if reinforced structure is something that would work better on lighter 'Mechs. Since the light 'Mechs have so little IS to begin with, one or two shots to the same location can completely destroy it. This might give a lightweight 'Mech a better chance to survive and get away to live another day. I'll have to take a look at the numbers to see how much it would cost light 'Mechs.
Reinforced Structure takes 20% of your mass. That stings compared to Endo's 5%.

Very roughly RS is 16 points a ton. Hardened Armor is 8 points a ton. But you can compensate for the tonnage hit with an Endo frame. Ferro Fibrous Armor doesn't compensate RS in the same way.
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