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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #60 on: 27 November 2021, 20:13:51 »
We haven't seen those three before.  I spent some time fiddling around with SSW earlier today and got what I think are the right loadouts (the visible weapons and AS stats match up, except for the Archer, where the only difference is a point of IF damage).

All three are fully clantech.

Blackjack:  2 x ERLL, 4 x SSRM 2
Archer:  2 x LRM 20A, 2 x SSRM 4, 2 x MPL
Annihilator:  4 x GR, 4 x MPL

Is there a program you use for the PV caculations or is that just paper and pencil??
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #61 on: 27 November 2021, 21:06:31 »
Is there a program you use for the PV caculations or is that just paper and pencil??

I didn't check the PV calculations; I used the internal calculator in Solaris Skunk Werks to match up the damage, overheat, and A/S values.  I have a PV calculation spreadsheet, but it hasn't been updated since 2015.

Also, that Blackjack should have a targeting computer.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #62 on: 27 November 2021, 23:04:44 »
I didn't check the PV calculations; I used the internal calculator in Solaris Skunk Werks to match up the damage, overheat, and A/S values.  I have a PV calculation spreadsheet, but it hasn't been updated since 2015.

Also, that Blackjack should have a targeting computer.

Thanks I was hoping that there was some program coming out that would do that. Hopefully the popularity of Alpha Strike maybe something will come out.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #63 on: 28 November 2021, 00:20:18 »
Thanks I was hoping that there was some program coming out that would do that. Hopefully the popularity of Alpha Strike maybe something will come out.

Down in the MegaMek thread it’s something planned for the near(ish) future. The stat conversions and PV

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #64 on: 28 November 2021, 06:47:52 »
If we ever get them here in the UK, and i manage to get my hands on one, i'll split them as follows:-

Annihilator - Wolf's Dragoons.
Timber Wolf - Wolf's Dragoons.
Archer - undecided at this time, either Waco Rangers or Wolf's Dragoons.
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Blackjack - Waco Rangers.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #65 on: 28 November 2021, 10:53:28 »
Maruader II is already in a box set though.   And there are AS stats for a ANH-5W which doesn't have a listing in the MUL yet.
I mean, the Annihilator is the only mech in the pack that didn’t just come out in the Kickstarter, so I don’t see “there’s already a mini of this” as much more of a problem for all five than for four of the five.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #66 on: 28 November 2021, 15:05:51 »
Is there any unit that you will be painting the Dragoons form the Force Pack??
I got it and want to paint them something different than my normal colors like I do with all the mechs. At least try and paint some of them properly.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #67 on: 28 November 2021, 18:00:38 »
The models included as Alpha Strike Cards are:
Annihilator-2A/Annihilator-5W
Timber Wolf Prime/Timber Wolf T
Archer-2W/Archer C2
Rifleman-3N/Rifleman C3
Blackjack-2/Blackjack C

So it looks like one side are Clan Invasion era-ish variants commonly used by the Wolf's Dragoons and the other side are ilClan era variants presumably used by the Dragoons. The ilClan variants include 3 that have not been seen before: the ANH-5W, Blackjack C, and Archer C2. Presumably, like other ilClan variants they are WYSIWYG variants of the ANH-2A, BJ-2, and ARC-2W updated to ilClan standards.

The description that Death From Above gave of the Blackjack C's card made it sound like it's actually the BJ-2OC Blackjack omnimech.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #68 on: 28 November 2021, 19:36:54 »
Gotta be honest, I'm kinda disappointed that nobody's yet said they're going to paint up their ANH as Homer Simpson, Hank Hill, or any other numerous middle aged dad characters.

Given the time of year, Robot Santa is more appropriate.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #69 on: 29 November 2021, 19:34:03 »
The description that Death From Above gave of the Blackjack C's card made it sound like it's actually the BJ-2OC Blackjack omnimech.

I really like DFA Wargaming, but in this instance I think they just assumed the C meant it was the C config of the Blackjack Omni rather than closely scrutinizing the cards to realize that the C stands for Clan. Another thing that goes against it being the Blackjack Omni config C is that the card's era markings indicate the Blackjack C is a Dark Age/IlClan era Mech. Having the cards right in front of me the Blackjack C follows the same conventions as the other Clantech IlClan era cards in the pack the Archer C2 and Rifleman C3.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #70 on: 29 November 2021, 21:09:28 »
They didn't say anything about it, it was just the description of the weapon load that matched the omni variant.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #71 on: 29 November 2021, 21:34:04 »
We haven't seen those three before.  I spent some time fiddling around with SSW earlier today and got what I think are the right loadouts (the visible weapons and AS stats match up, except for the Archer, where the only difference is a point of IF damage).

Archer:  2 x LRM 20A, 2 x SSRM 4, 2 x MPL

Doesn't Artemis mean you get NO ability to IDF in Alphastrike?

What are you getting v/s what is on the AS card?
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #72 on: 29 November 2021, 21:57:07 »
Doesn't Artemis mean you get NO ability to IDF in Alphastrike?

What are you getting v/s what is on the AS card?

It takes away the LRM special and they get IF only, so no special munitions (cause they are using Artemis)

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #73 on: 29 November 2021, 23:42:13 »
Doesn't Artemis mean you get NO ability to IDF in Alphastrike?

What are you getting v/s what is on the AS card?

The card has IF2, I got IF3.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #74 on: 30 November 2021, 00:43:34 »
I know damage rounds up for AS but doesn't "specials" round down?

I seem to recall some units getting a 0 for a special because they have a single LRM5 or something.

And the basic Archer-2R w/ twin LRM20's only has 2 IF rating.

So I'm thinking the 2 is correct because the Artemis wouldn't be included in IF since you can't IDF w/ Artemis.

Not sure if that is how the conversion rules works or not & I don't have my rulebooks to check right now but I'm thinking that may be the issue.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #75 on: 30 November 2021, 01:01:19 »
Could be.  I'm using the BattleForce converter built into Solaris Skunk Werks, which is out of date but saves me from having to assemble a spreadsheet for it or do it by hand.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #76 on: 30 November 2021, 23:07:53 »
Does anyone else's Davis McCall MW card have the error in the Special Pilot Abilities section?

Mine has the Antagonizer Special Pilot Ability section from Corijan Holmes' card word-for-word.

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Edit: Also posted in the general errata section since the specific thread for it isn't clear to me.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #79 on: 01 December 2021, 10:25:31 »
Should probably add as well that Jamie Wolf's point cost is N/A.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #80 on: 01 December 2021, 10:37:03 »
Paint them as Smoke Jaguars ;)

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #81 on: 01 December 2021, 17:53:36 »
Should probably add as well that Jamie Wolf's point cost is N/A.

If you have to ask, you can't afford him?

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #82 on: 01 December 2021, 18:56:31 »
Thats one way to add whine to the cheese.

Should probably add as well that Jamie Wolf's point cost is N/A.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #83 on: 01 December 2021, 19:24:02 »
If you have to ask, you can't afford him?

I think this is exactly what it is. He gets 6 SPAs, most of which cost 2 points a piece, so I don't think his pilot card is intended to be used in competitive, points balanced games.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #84 on: 03 December 2021, 15:55:18 »
For the record, the new sculpt Blackjack and Archer got me.  Like the pose on the Rifleman as well.  No clue what I'll do with the Annihilator, but I succumbed to lust and greed and got it.  Delivered 2 days after ordering, as well.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #85 on: 03 December 2021, 19:39:44 »
I think this is exactly what it is. He gets 6 SPAs, most of which cost 2 points a piece, so I don't think his pilot card is intended to be used in competitive, points balanced games.

SPA points and PV are two entirely separate concepts and do not mix in any way or sense.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #86 on: 04 December 2021, 20:02:14 »
SPA points and PV are two entirely separate concepts and do not mix in any way or sense.
I know and that is kinda my point if you are trying to do a game balanced by BV or PV SPAs kinda mess that up, because they have their own system and point scale that doesn't actually mix with PV or BV. As far as I am aware the only rules for balancing the points costs for SPAs is to have each side have an equal amount to spend on SPAs, but how many games are going to give each side 12+ points to spend on SPAs? And if you were trying to keep the use of SPAs balanced yet still have Jaime Wolf in a game you'd have one side with Jaime Wolf and 3 regular pilots versus 4 pilots with 1-2 SPAs a piece. Rather than try and balance Jaime Wolf, who is just OP and broken from a game balance perspective I think not including a points value makes it clear that using his pilot card is not intended for normal or pick-up games where you are trying to keep both sides balanced, and that even if SPAs were allowed in a competitive game Jaime Wolf certainly would not be allowed in such a tournament.

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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #87 on: 04 December 2021, 22:08:44 »
Jamie isn't the kind of character you bring to a game.
He's there for historical reference as the ultimate NPC, but no way anyone should just get to bring him in for "their side.
I think the whole N/A thing makes that clear.
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #88 on: 05 December 2021, 12:13:22 »
Jaime Wolf is the completely overpowered NPC who shows up at the climax of a campaign, either as a mega boss that PCs need to throw overwhelming force at (imagine being Kuritan characters on Misery), or as an ally that allows them to survive exactly those odds(being on Luthien, about to be overwhelmed by waves of Jaguars, then Wolf and his command lance show up on your flank).
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Re: What are your plans for the Dragoons ForcePack?
« Reply #89 on: 05 December 2021, 12:36:57 »
Jaime Wolf is the completely overpowered NPC who shows up at the climax of a campaign, either as a mega boss that PCs need to throw overwhelming force at (imagine being Kuritan characters on Misery), or as an ally that allows them to survive exactly those odds(being on Luthien, about to be overwhelmed by waves of Jaguars, then Wolf and his command lance show up on your flank).
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