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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #30 on: 25 January 2022, 19:46:44 »
I would say for me was the 4 years ending at the closing of Fasa. I didn't get into Battletech until later and I was old enough with a job and spent a lot of money on Battletech books and product. GOOD TIMES!!! I just remember getting into the game and going all in, and then Fasa shut its doors.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #31 on: 25 January 2022, 19:55:24 »
I'm not entirely sure...

Right now is a great time to get into the game. The maps are great, the miniatures are hit or miss with their look (too much change, like adding a pelvis to the Nova and Viper, just makes them generic), but availability is a big thing. The Total Warfare line of rulebooks are terrible to navigate, but BattleMech Manual is a step in the right direction.

The problem is that this 'availability' doesn't compare to how it was like before FASA went under. I'm not sure what years it would be, but I enjoyed BattleTech the most when I could walk into my hobby store and see an entire aisle dedicated to the game. Packed with Partha. I also enjoyed the fact that I can carry everything I need to play the game in one rulebook and it was easy to navigate. I don't have navigate a tome of rulebooks to get a unit to work for my game (look at LAM's. You need TW, TM, TacOps, AND StratOps.)

So I guess for me, it's a mix of now and some early 90's.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #32 on: 25 January 2022, 20:12:34 »
I'm not entirely sure...

Right now is a great time to get into the game. The maps are great, the miniatures are hit or miss with their look (too much change, like adding a pelvis to the Nova and Viper, just makes them generic), but availability is a big thing. The Total Warfare line of rulebooks are terrible to navigate, but BattleMech Manual is a step in the right direction.

The problem is that this 'availability' doesn't compare to how it was like before FASA went under. I'm not sure what years it would be, but I enjoyed BattleTech the most when I could walk into my hobby store and see an entire aisle dedicated to the game. Packed with Partha. I also enjoyed the fact that I can carry everything I need to play the game in one rulebook and it was easy to navigate. I don't have navigate a tome of rulebooks to get a unit to work for my game (look at LAM's. You need TW, TM, TacOps, AND StratOps.)

So I guess for me, it's a mix of now and some early 90's.

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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #33 on: 26 January 2022, 12:32:02 »
Think nostalgia is playing a big part here. I loved playing BT in the 90's but it was out right impossible for me to get some books if it wasn't setting on my FLGS shelf so saying it was more 'available' under Fasa is just not true. You say it's hard to play LAMs now? It was literally impossible for me when I got started and to ask the game store guy, you would get a 5 minute lecture on how Fasa ripped off Robotech and I was better off playing Warhammer.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #34 on: 26 January 2022, 13:16:01 »
Think nostalgia is playing a big part here. I loved playing BT in the 90's but it was out right impossible for me to get some books if it wasn't setting on my FLGS shelf so saying it was more 'available' under Fasa is just not true. You say it's hard to play LAMs now? It was literally impossible for me when I got started and to ask the game store guy, you would get a 5 minute lecture on how Fasa ripped off Robotech and I was better off playing Warhammer.

Look up the rules for LAMs and see how far you get.

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No. It's not nostalgia.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #35 on: 26 January 2022, 13:38:54 »
I honestly don't care about LAMs. That's not why I started playing the game and as I stated earlier, I never seen LAMs in the early days outside of the haters bringing them up to throw shade.

Edit: Let me clarify before I accidentally derail the discussion. Every BT book I picked up when I stated, LAMs where non-existent out side a dated TRO: 3025. I honestly thought FASA already forgot about them. Sure, those rules may have been in one book but pre-download, that book may have well not existed if you couldn't get your figures on it. The rules for LAMs are more complex know, I won't argue that (rules for LAMs and Aero Space assets is discussion in it self) but at least I can download the rules if it came down to it and can ask fellow fans vs that guy at the game shop. FASA may have had a easier time getting physical material in the shop (I don't have the numbers, we are going by collective memory which is prone to error) but that was still mandated by what those shops chose to carry.

Electronic content and online presence is a double edge sword but it has ultimately helped BT imo as I can now purchase books Fasa stop publishing long before I started playing the game.     
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #36 on: 26 January 2022, 20:00:39 »
My point isn't based on whether you use LAM's or not.

The TW series of rulebooks are a pain in the butt to navigate and bloated with a lot of content that isn't needed.

Also, a lot of those books that are available today were available as downloads back in the Fanpro days, so Catalyst hasn't done anything new there. They were readily available on Battlecorps. The only thing Catalyst has upped their game on is novels which, honestly, really needed to happen.

1 - Miniatures were always available from Iron Wind Metals and eventually went cast on demand. As much crap everyone loves to give them they kept the game alive by having miniatures available, made in the USA, not China because it's cheaper, when getting a box set was almost impossible.

2 - PDF's of FASA era books have been available since Fanpro (as far as I can remember). They were modified to remove unseen images.

3 - Comparing availability in the 90's to now is honestly pretty damn ridiculous. We had dial up internet. You could get stuff from FASA by either going to their website (which was still a VERY new concept) OR, and I've done this with Citytech 2nd Edition when I lived in Montana for a bit, by calling them. Your best bet was a store. For me, being in Chicagoland, it was fairly easy.

Ideally, if we had the internet we had today in the 90's... it would be a lot different. Which is why I like a little bit of both times. It has NOTHING to do with Nostalgia. That word is thrown around way too much.

EDIT: Not trying to be a jerk here, just laying out why I like the 90's era and what we have today.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #37 on: 26 January 2022, 20:50:32 »
One more vote for '86 to '89: sine qua non.

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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #38 on: 26 January 2022, 20:53:29 »
One more vote for '86 to '89: sine qua non.

It did have the Succession Wars board game, so huge plus there :).
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #39 on: 26 January 2022, 21:00:10 »
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #40 on: 26 January 2022, 21:00:19 »
The 90’s have their appeal. I do think the Compendium is a easier to use than the TW series, but that’s about where the positives end for me. When I started playing in the 90’s, the core mechs of the game were unseen and unavailable unless you were very lucky and your FLGS found some old stock in the back room. If the game had been rebooted to retcon the Unseen out completely, maybe that wouldn’t have mattered, but it wasn’t, so it did. The Unseen were always looming just off to the side. The mechs that made up the core of every army but that nobody could ever get.

The fact that we don’t have to worry about that anymore is more than enough for me to say that right now is the best time to be a BT fan.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #41 on: 26 January 2022, 21:02:54 »
We never had to really worry about it, though... one of BattleTech's strengths is that it's never been WYSIWYG.

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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #42 on: 26 January 2022, 21:08:59 »
We never had to really worry about it, though... one of BattleTech's strengths is that it's never been WYSIWYG.

Doesn’t matter.


Could I have used a penny, instead? Sure. But I wanted Marauder minis. I could not get Marauder minis. There was always the feeling that the game was somehow incomplete without an official option for displaying the yardsticks that all other mechs were measured against.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #43 on: 26 January 2022, 21:15:45 »
Could I have used a penny, instead? Sure. But I wanted Marauder minis. I could not get Marauder minis. There was always the feeling that the game was somehow incomplete without an official option for displaying the yardsticks that all other mechs were measured against.

I was excited to get two sets of reseen from the Kickstarter for that reason. The 4th edition line up is where all my nostalgia is, though.
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #44 on: 26 January 2022, 21:17:58 »
as someone who started in the 90s being able to have some old unseens was for a time almost a status symbol. it was like owning one (or more) of the original house books. bragging rights

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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #45 on: 26 January 2022, 21:20:47 »
The source books were more than status symbols at the time.  They're literally why I'm still here.

And I have to say, not being WYSIWYG is one of BT's strengths even today.  How many here have migrated from that "other" game?

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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #46 on: 27 January 2022, 13:36:34 »
1984-1988, Hands Down!

I didn't start playing until '86, and by then of course it was "BattleTech".  I never even HEARD about BattleDroids Until late 1994 or 1995.   :o

But without BatleDroids in 1984, we wouldn't NOW be enjoying the HUGE Resurgence in BT.  After all, it was the early game (BD or BT) that got Brent, Loren, Randall, and Ray hooked!

Without THEM riving the game THEY all Love, Where would we be now?  :-\  Would we even still be playing with NEW product, or would we be sitting around going, "Well, back when BattleTech was around..." ?
I wanted to point out, I DO so Utterly LOVE the New Content we've gotten the past 4 years from CGL!  Between the veritable FLOOD of novels we got since 2019, not to mention everything else.  Yes, the Clan Invasion Kickstarter umm, Kicked Off a lot of it (Most of it?), but I think they already had some of it in the works already.  Well, Not Counting the iLClan Sourcebook of course!  :D  While I am Absolutely NOT "Knocking" the work we've gotten these past 4 years, I just wanted to point out, without the Original Work, we wouldn't be here now.

And then we have Blaine and Loren who've been on this ride from the beginning!   :thumbsup:   :beer:
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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #47 on: 27 January 2022, 23:17:51 »
For novels it's hard to beat the four years 86-90. GDL trilogy, wolves on the border, heir to the dragon, warrior trilogy, 2/3 of the BOK trilogy.

for sheer creative expansion and worldbuilding it's hard to beat the same timeframe. Battletech, battleforce, succession wars, battletroops, citytech, mechwarrior rpg, the house books, the first three video games. 



What we have going now is probably the second greatest timeframe.


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Re: What was the best 4-year span of product for BT fans?
« Reply #48 on: 30 January 2022, 13:54:35 »
Dawn of the Jihad to the ending of that war (that's more than four years I think.....)

Why? Not only did I really enjoy the products and the time line but the major factor was Battletech felt it was coming back from from the dead.

Those 'rebirth' years paved the way for the ongoing success of the setting we see to this very day.

I nearly went with the most recent four years but sometimes just surviving is the biggest success.