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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #60 on: 01 April 2013, 16:30:30 »
What kind of damage to machine guns form this book do to infantry? Do they lack the burst-fire properties of modern guns(aside from the US .50 cal)? Or perhaps they do equivalent burst-fire as a modern MG of equal damage(do 1 damage, treat as LMG, do 2 damage, treat as MG, .50 cal does damage as HMG)?
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #61 on: 01 April 2013, 16:35:11 »
Hi,

From an in-universe perspective, were certain notable pilots (like Ivan Hasek) chosen by the author in order to highlight combatants who just happened to share the same surname as various noble families of the "modern" BattleTech era; or do those families make the same kind of proprietary claims which the Combine Kuritas make for Kurita Takeo?

Or to put it another way, was Ivan Hasek supposed to be a distant ancestor (or ancient relative) to the New Syrtis Haseks, or is the shared surname a coincidence?

We leave that open to interpretation. OOC, those whose names actually mesh with extant BT names were selected specifically for that reason. Others were included because they made for damned interesting reading. (Most impressive to me, for instance, is the fact that the Soviets gave us the first female ace fighter pilots.)

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #62 on: 01 April 2013, 16:41:23 »
Very cool!

This is a delightful April Fool's surprise.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #63 on: 01 April 2013, 16:42:33 »
Hi,

We leave that open to interpretation. OOC, those whose names actually mesh with extant BT names were selected specifically for that reason. Others were included because they made for damned interesting reading. (Most impressive to me, for instance, is the fact that the Soviets gave us the first female ace fighter pilots.)

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I see, thanks. (I could imagine there to have been at least one New Syrtis Hasek who wouldn't be shy about claiming such ancestry anyway, even if the records weren't there to back up such claims.)


Also, I was checking the record sheets, and it seems that, if transferred directly, the overall unit stats might be too low to work overly well in a Quick-Strike context. However, since the BT-level play is assumed to operate under certain era-specific special rules, might there be a similar set of considerations one should take in mind if trying to run QS versions of the XTRO:3145 units?

Assuming anyone would actually want to run these units in a QS setup, I guess.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #64 on: 01 April 2013, 16:44:05 »
It's too bad that an infantry section couldn't have made this. Otherwise, John Churchill could have made a noteable. Well okay, there probably isn't going to be a write up for broadswords. Oh well. . .

But now, you can create worlds in Battletech that have reverted to World War II weapons, and then one side has victory in sights, a lance of Urbanmechs begin the true slaughter. 

This was pretty much the most useful April Fool's Day Joke that I've ever seen.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #65 on: 01 April 2013, 16:46:21 »
Otherwise, John Churchill could have made a noteable. Well okay, there probably isn't going to be a write up for broadswords. Oh well. . .

Hey, we've got ATOW stats for those, and also for bows.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #66 on: 01 April 2013, 16:51:30 »

But now, you can create worlds in Battletech that have reverted to World War II weapons, and then one side has victory in sights, a lance of Urbanmechs begin the true slaughter. 

Now that sounds fun or even better Time travel

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #67 on: 01 April 2013, 16:53:47 »
This must be expanded upon.  We need at least the Stug III, the M3 Lee and the 38(t) so we can have the starting team for Oorai Academy.

Also, I don't see the Panther.  Or the IS-2.  Hey, any way we can get stats on the Maüs too?


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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #68 on: 01 April 2013, 16:54:28 »
I'd say a Abrams would have a Heavy Rifle, doing 6 points of damage to a 'Mech
I just can't see it, lets keep it to a medium rifle. But allow it to have a FCS.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #69 on: 01 April 2013, 16:54:42 »
 O0 hahaha  O0
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #70 on: 01 April 2013, 16:56:32 »
i have not read though it yet, just did a very quick glance thought he tehc book and have to say that it is cool. and you though i would flood the battlefeild with 10,000 point worth of savanash masters...not i can use something even better and use shermans instead now for very cheap flooding the battlefeild with....
i have to say this really is a cool book to put out and everyone so far is loving it. thanks again guys.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #71 on: 01 April 2013, 17:06:54 »
Brilliant, just got in touch with some historical wargaming pals and we`re trying this out on Thursday and with design notes at the back feverish minds are already afoot creating Panthers and Stugs...
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #72 on: 01 April 2013, 17:18:41 »
Wow. Just wow.  :o   O0

Hi,

From an in-universe perspective, were certain notable pilots (like Ivan Hasek) chosen by the author in order to highlight combatants who just happened to share the same surname as various noble families of the "modern" BattleTech era; or do those families make the same kind of proprietary claims which the Combine Kuritas make for Kurita Takeo?

Or to put it another way, was Ivan Hasek supposed to be a distant ancestor (or ancient relative) to the New Syrtis Haseks, or is the shared surname a coincidence?
We leave that open to interpretation. OOC, those whose names actually mesh with extant BT names were selected specifically for that reason. Others were included because they made for damned interesting reading. (Most impressive to me, for instance, is the fact that the Soviets gave us the first female ace fighter pilots.)

Thanks,

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This begs a kinda queer question: How canonical is this XTRO?

I mean, April Fools material usually isn't thought to be canon. But the BattleTech universe branches off our real world only around the year 1986 or so. Earlier (pre-1986) history is pretty much BT canon by default - and by that rationale, this XTRO would actually be fully canonical...

This question came up when I was about to create an article for the 26th century Chi-Ha APC in BattleTech (from Far Country), and wondering if I should refer to the previous historical Chi-Ha now that it appears in XTRO:1945. I actually didn't know about the 1945 tank before.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #73 on: 01 April 2013, 17:21:24 »
This begs a kinda queer question: How canonical is this XTRO?

Since World War II happened before the BT timeline deviates from reality, I would say: fully canon. But that's just my personal take on it.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #74 on: 01 April 2013, 17:27:04 »
Pretty canon, but if the material is subsequently used to beat us about the head and shoulders due to inconsistencies, that level of canonicity might sharply drop. Likewise, if it's used as a crutch to make a point about BT weaponry functionality in the 31st century...
Well, it's better if that just doesn't occur. The point is to make something fun for people to enjoy, not to make something that's then used to win debates.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #75 on: 01 April 2013, 17:29:52 »
The point is to make something fun for people to enjoy, not to make something that's then used to win debates.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #76 on: 01 April 2013, 17:36:00 »
I do not think they do, It mentions when facing err modern units the weapons revert to their B-tech counter parts, so the 75mm gun on the Sherman would be treated as a light cannon, but when facing targets in their "time frame" they are treated as their stats indicate.
i'd make it more time of origin.
if being played in 1930's-50's, use the 'historic' stats. if your using a replica in the 31st century, use the equivalents. if a periphery world reverted to ww2 tech, mix and match as needed.

the note about modern units is, i expect, a nod towards the fact these vee's suck compared to 31st century mechs, and need a boost if being used for fun in a game.

What kind of damage to machine guns form this book do to infantry? Do they lack the burst-fire properties of modern guns(aside from the US .50 cal)? Or perhaps they do equivalent burst-fire as a modern MG of equal damage(do 1 damage, treat as LMG, do 2 damage, treat as MG, .50 cal does damage as HMG)?
i'd say 1D3 damage for the lightest types, then move up to 1D6 for the .50's. most BT machineguns are supposed to be 20mm gatlings, or .50cal miniguns. single barrel weapons of .50cal or less are going to be much lower rate of fire and far less effective.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #77 on: 01 April 2013, 17:36:42 »
Great, now i have in my head the crazy idea of a mech lance against a regiment of that things (in QS, for sure).  ;D
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #78 on: 01 April 2013, 17:43:40 »
I just can't see it, lets keep it to a medium rifle. But allow it to have a FCS.
That's what I would think would fit the best, I would think the electronics and stabilization on current tanks would count as basic FC...

The issue provided here, is if the 88mm L56 is a medium rifle, then whats the much more powerful 88mm L71, or let alone the 128mm L55 (KwK 44), 122mm D25-T or even the 120mm M58 gun on the M103 hvy tank going to be rated at? Then we have the issue of what would modern be rated at, and their follow-ons?

Though one interesting quirk presented here is the fact that using the Recoilless rifles was a nice touch it however presents an odd situation where a M3 Stuart can conceivably damage a battlemech (.53 damage to mech armor round up I believe...) but a M4 Sherman can not...

Still it's an interesting effort, been nice of they added a few more units, or options... Liked to see the StuG III Ausf G, Panther, M26, M-18, IS-2, SU-76, B-17, JU-88, Lancaster, and so on...
Though it would be interesting to see how they deal with the artillery pieces like the 10.5cm LeFH 18M (12.3km range)...

the note about modern units is, i expect, a nod towards the fact these vee's suck compared to 31st century mechs, and need a boost if being used for fun in a game.
A reasonable assumption, but sadly unless stated like that I doubt that would end up the case...

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #79 on: 01 April 2013, 17:51:40 »
Nebfer, it is CANON until Herb says otherwise. Heck unless I miss my guess several of these tanks are actually tournament legal

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #80 on: 01 April 2013, 18:11:08 »
I'm calling errata - the Crusader has waaay too much armour. I've been inside one, and when you rap the hull with your knuckles it goes "boing".

Try that with a Lee/Grant and all you hear is the merry crunch of your knuckles breaking.

I do love it though! Excellent choice of equipment - although the Semovente was a curious choice; was it picked because it was an assault gun, over the far more common M13/40?

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #81 on: 01 April 2013, 18:14:00 »
OMG! This was awesome! And funny!

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #82 on: 01 April 2013, 18:19:48 »
Wow. Coolest April Fools ever.
Can you imagine doing a IE campaign where you're the commander of a merc lance contracted for site security and your site just happens to be a deep periphery world where every one is fighting with these? (Maybe lost before the Age of War?)
Hm, second thought: your lance comprises of a BJ-1 Blackjack, VL-2T Vulcan, FS9-A Firestarter and an UM-R60 UrbanMech? Now that would be fun!

As for a slight nitpick: Why no F4U Corsair? (My favorite WW2 fighter.)

Any chance we could see a XTRO: Second Soviet Civil War?

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #83 on: 01 April 2013, 18:21:30 »
I must admit the artwork truly impressed me with this XTRO  :P

Seriously it actually looks like the artist drew some of them from a museum or something, there's even plaques with their names on it!!  Looks really really cool!!  [drool]

Fantastic work though as an April Fools it's a pretty impressive piece of kit with usable units - time travel has never been so much fun.

I'd really like a XTRO:1945 vol II - wet navy ships, bombers and early jets  :-\ O0
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #84 on: 01 April 2013, 18:24:43 »
This was really cool and I love it but I have my one complaint the T34 is the 76.2mm version and the picture is the 85mm version. 

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #85 on: 01 April 2013, 18:30:43 »
The problem is that there isn't enough weapons to fit with all the weapons form WW2. There is a pretty big difference between the Sherman, Mark 4 and the Panthers 75mm gun!
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #86 on: 01 April 2013, 18:32:04 »
Guys is it possible to build the school from GuP? Or maybe somebody can create an hexagonal surface map of it?
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #87 on: 01 April 2013, 18:33:08 »
This was a great April Fool's and a functional one at that! I wouldn't mind playing with these (not against 'modern' units of course).

At the very least, they give us all some ready-made primitives to use.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #88 on: 01 April 2013, 18:35:28 »
Drat, no KV-2 with it's 152mm gun firing special anti concrete rounds.

And for shame using the T-34/85's picture for the T-34.  :P

While a wet navy version would be fun I suspect that will be more problematic due to not having near as much to work with for weapons in that case.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #89 on: 01 April 2013, 18:37:41 »
I was going to get angry because they showed an Emil not a Gustav, but then realised none of the entries had model numbers.

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