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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #90 on: 01 April 2013, 18:43:49 »
Well I suppose I could replace the turret and gun easily enough.

But yeah still missing primitive artillery and artillery cannons or I'd be set to make a KV-2 or AVRE Churchill.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #91 on: 01 April 2013, 18:51:35 »
Would it sound weird if I said I want a second XTRO:1945? One with the King Tiger and the ME-262 in it? It would be kind of awesome.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #92 on: 01 April 2013, 18:52:35 »
I do like the sound of TRO: Second Soviet Civil War. It'd be a great chance to mix in some real and some speculative weapon systems, while still having them suck compared to BattleMechs ;)
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #93 on: 01 April 2013, 19:07:50 »
Actually after seeing this I want a TRO 20th Century. All combat vehicles from last century.  ;)
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #94 on: 01 April 2013, 19:09:48 »
I would like to see a lance of Urbanmechs against an SS Panzer division complete with Tigers. >:D

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #95 on: 01 April 2013, 19:20:39 »
Seriously it actually looks like the artist drew some of them from a museum or something, there's even plaques with their names on it!!  Looks really really cool!!  [drool]

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #96 on: 01 April 2013, 19:35:02 »
Would it sound weird if I said I want a second XTRO:1945? One with the King Tiger and the ME-262 in it? It would be kind of awesome.

I was looking for both early and was sadly disappointed.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #97 on: 01 April 2013, 19:43:10 »
I wonder how long until this backfires on the writers, and we see a proper series of these caused by fan demand.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #98 on: 01 April 2013, 19:48:04 »
I wonder how long until this backfires on the writers, and we see a proper series of these caused by fan demand.

Even if that should happen (I highly doubt it, though): Creating more products because the fans want to buy them is NEVER considered something that backfired. Products that sell well are always positive.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #99 on: 01 April 2013, 19:51:17 »
Even if that should happen (I highly doubt it, though): Creating more products because the fans want to buy them is NEVER considered something that backfired. Products that sell well are always positive.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #100 on: 01 April 2013, 19:55:00 »
Hi,

This begs a kinda queer question: How canonical is this XTRO?

Let's call it... psuedo-canon. After all, the rules as presented are a warped version of those we created to date, to account for some radical departures that BattleTech made from reality. Even though the tanks, fighters, and personas featured in the book clearly existed in the "real world", we have established a long time ago that the universe of BattleTech is, in fact, not OUR "real world" after all.

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This question came up when I was about to create an article for the 26th century Chi-Ha APC in BattleTech (from Far Country), and wondering if I should refer to the previous historical Chi-Ha now that it appears in XTRO:1945. I actually didn't know about the 1945 tank before.

That I couldn't bother trying to explain. The 26th century Chi-Ha was an APC, after all. The WWII model was a tank.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #101 on: 01 April 2013, 20:02:31 »
People are asking already for a part 2. I just want to know when the Iowas going to make it into a support unit stats!
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #102 on: 01 April 2013, 20:04:42 »

That I couldn't bother trying to explain. The 26th century Chi-Ha was an APC, after all. The WWII model was a tank.


That's being awfully nice to those things...  ^-^
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #103 on: 01 April 2013, 20:07:16 »
That's being awfully nice to those things...  ^-^

I think he means an actual boiler tank, rather than a combat vehicle.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #104 on: 01 April 2013, 20:08:43 »
OH MY GOD!

 This is awesome, I play Flames of War(WWII minis) now when i see the B-tech group forming up I can drop my Panzers on the table



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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #105 on: 01 April 2013, 20:09:45 »
  This is ****** awesome.  Oh, yes: I can work with this....  }:)

This must be expanded upon.  We need at least the Stug III, the M3 Lee and the 38(t) so we can have the starting team for Oorai Academy.

Also, I don't see the Panther.  Or the IS-2.  Hey, any way we can get stats on the Maüs too?

And yes, I am looking at this and wanting to do a GuP themed game.  I call dibs on Saunders.  Or some school using M26 Pershings.
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It's too bad that an infantry section couldn't have made this. Otherwise, John Churchill could have made a noteable. Well okay, there probably isn't going to be a write up for broadswords. Oh well. . .

But now, you can create worlds in Battletech that have reverted to World War II weapons, and then one side has victory in sights, a lance of Urbanmechs begin the true slaughter. 

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #106 on: 01 April 2013, 20:10:42 »
That's being awfully nice to those things...  ^-^

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #107 on: 01 April 2013, 20:11:16 »
Hi,

I wonder how long until this backfires on the writers, and we see a proper series of these caused by fan demand.

A few comments on this:

1) I designed all the units in this TRO, based almost entirely on research from Wikipedia. When setting designs up, the weight, MPs, weaponry (but not weapon weights), ammo (where specified), crew, and (for ground vehicles) fuel were all locked in by Wiki information, while everything else was left to interpretation (armor almost always got maxed out, as did fuel on planes). Even the fluff is derived from choice paragraphs taken from Wikipedia, which is why Wikipedia is listed as the "primary writing" in the credits.

2) All told, I designed about 28 units. Only 24 made it into the book. 2 were deleted because I didn't like the numbers I got and/or the art that we found. (The two I retained are the B-17 and He-177 bombers, because I wanted to see what I could do with those; due to the much more math-intensive nature of larger units, anything over 200 tons was considered far too prohibitive to even attempt for a product that would have to fulfil the conditions of Points 3) and 4) below.

3) Nobody, at any point, was paid for any of this work.

4) Nobody, at any point, was charged money for this work.

5) Despite Points 3) and 4), Catalyst DID spend resources on this work, in the form of time and manpower that was also earmarked for the paying jobs--many of them time-critical in nature.

6) Despite all of the above, several members of the team have expressed a willingness to do more of these, but....

7) The fact remains that, given the sources used, and the resource cost involved, we may simply may not be legally or economically able to carry on the series, even though we had solid ideas for similar products stretching as far back as the American Revolutionary War and as far forward as the Second Soviet Civil War.

That's pretty much the long and the short of it.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #108 on: 01 April 2013, 20:16:05 »
Hi,

That's being awfully nice to those things...  ^-^

I think that is mainly because the Japanese ideas on tank warfare, and the nature of the Pacific and Asian campaigns differed in many ways from how armored warfare was being conducted in Europe and North Africa. By and large, Japanese armored vehicles tended toward smaller designs to better support infantry operations and tight quarters jungle warfare, while Europe had a lot more roads, open land, and fortified structures to crawl over (and through).

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #109 on: 01 April 2013, 20:17:47 »
TRO:1776 - the perfect thing to keep the A Time of War fans happy!

Herb, many thanks to you, and to all involved. This is a wonderful gift. Can I volunteer for TRO:1962? (Always was, always will be a cold warrior ;) )

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #110 on: 01 April 2013, 20:29:14 »
Nice job on this this one, Catalyst is the reason I look forward to 4/1. I haven't seen anything I want to try out on the table since the TacOps Power Ups.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Soviet Civil War PDF to see a little of the conflict that started the world down the long, long, twisted path to the Republic  ;)

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #111 on: 01 April 2013, 20:35:47 »
Nebfer, it is CANON until Herb says otherwise. Heck unless I miss my guess several of these tanks are actually tournament legal

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #112 on: 01 April 2013, 20:47:18 »
Hi,

I think that is mainly because the Japanese ideas on tank warfare, and the nature of the Pacific and Asian campaigns differed in many ways from how armored warfare was being conducted in Europe and North Africa. By and large, Japanese armored vehicles tended toward smaller designs to better support infantry operations and tight quarters jungle warfare, while Europe had a lot more roads, open land, and fortified structures to crawl over (and through).

Thanks,

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Agreed completely- they just weren't particularly good even at the roles they were intended for.

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #113 on: 01 April 2013, 20:50:27 »
Agreed completely- they just weren't particularly good even at the roles they were intended for.

Man, now I wish we'd have thought to run you out to the Aberdeen Proving Grounds while you were out here a while back. Next time you're down in this area, it's worth the trip.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #114 on: 01 April 2013, 20:56:27 »
Before...things changed, the wife and I were planning to go out to DC (have never been) for the Fourth and that was one of the stops I had to go to.
When we went to see our cousin graduate basic at Ft. Knox, we had just missed the moving of their tank museum by a week. I was pretty upset.

If you find the opportunity to make it out for a few days sometime, you let me know.

I advise against the Fourth though, unless you have a driving need to see the fireworks display. When I say that the crowds are unreal, I mean "locals often try to take a few days off to get the hell away from here" kind of crowds. Eugh.
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #115 on: 01 April 2013, 21:19:58 »
Would love to see WW2 Naval ships, yeah the Yamato and such
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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #116 on: 01 April 2013, 21:40:38 »
TRO:1776 - the perfect thing to keep the A Time of War fans happy!

Herb, many thanks to you, and to all involved. This is a wonderful gift. Can I volunteer for TRO:1962? (Always was, always will be a cold warrior ;) )

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #117 on: 01 April 2013, 22:07:38 »
I want to see XTRO: August, 1945.

Fission bombs carried by aeros, anyone?

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #118 on: 01 April 2013, 22:16:47 »
Unless I miss my guess the 8.8 cm Cannon is very nasty against BA. The range drops down to 1/5/10/15 but it still does 9 damage against BA and you can equip a motorized platoon with 7 of them under the field gun rules, meaning that a single volley should render any medium and smaller BA squads mission killed

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Re: XTRO: 1945
« Reply #119 on: 01 April 2013, 22:23:43 »
hopefully these will be programmed into Megamek soon. i'd love to try out a Mech-stomp vs WW2 gear. (especially the suggested Urbanmech vs SS Panzer battalion scenario mentioned further up the thread..  >:D )

 

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