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Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« on: 14 January 2022, 15:08:24 »
With what would you escort an APC? By which I mean "something with  ~5 tons of infantry in it."

How many escorts would you use? Would  you dig in such units?

Or would  you go for something big, doing most of the ground-holding itself, like a Goblin AFV?

Does this change if your moving BAs instead of PBI?  :P
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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #1 on: 14 January 2022, 15:27:23 »
For me the APC is its own escort, so I don't have to worry about it as much.  Something cheap with a long-range weapon to aggravate opponents, but not dangerous enough to make it worth pursuing.  This way if the opponent decides to ignore the APC (and its infantry) I haven't wasted a lot of my points escorting generic infantry.  Off-hand, if my escort is worth more than twice what is being escorted, then I am spending too much.

A similar ratio might come into play for BA, though since BA have a higher C-Bill/BV this means my 'escort' can be much nastier.

Generally, the smaller unit escorts the larger unit, so infantry would be used to protect an LRM unit, not vice-versa.  Now if you need that infantry unit to enter a specific building, that changes my escort equations.

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #2 on: 14 January 2022, 19:08:26 »
I'm a Goblin fan (as I suspect you know), but Idea Weenie is right.  Escorts should be worth less than what they're escorting.  They're ablative, after all...  ^-^

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #3 on: 14 January 2022, 19:58:00 »
karnov goes in

karnov goes out (or not...)

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #4 on: 14 January 2022, 21:29:01 »
With a few Ferrets running escort, the Karnov almost certainly goes out...  :)

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #5 on: 16 January 2022, 13:38:04 »
Why are you escorting the apcs?  What are you doing?  What is your formation and purpose? What do you count as the 'escort' and what limits do you place on that role?  I would say, in most cases, APCs do not need escorts to keep them safe in transit but rather want to operate on an appropriate and complimentary combined arms environment

For example infantry pacifying a lightly armed militia in a built up environment probably want mostly wheeled and VTOL APC and foot infantry with maybe some gunship support (think mogidishu)

On a forest engagement you might want fast VTOL and jump infantry, perhaps equipped with TAG and supported by LRM and AIV units.

A more open field with heavy units some IFV with small infantry compartments like Goblins could bring some handy infantry support into your tank formations.

It's all very much horses for courses and heavily depends on the purpose and disposition of your forces

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #6 on: 19 January 2022, 03:52:35 »
If 3 APCs are transporting the infantry company, I might turn the 4th APC into something else support the others.

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #7 on: 19 January 2022, 10:52:13 »
APC escorts are really there to support the attacks of infantry or battle armor . . . and basically you are talking about a IRL mechanized infantry formation where FREX a mechanized infantry company has 2 platoons of infantry in APC/IFV- there is a difference and your 'armed' APCs are more like IFVs, compare Blizzard APCs with Main Gauche IFVs- and a platoon of armor.  It also scales up, it depends on your organizational doctrine but basically a mechanized formation is at some point 2/3rds infantry in APC/IFV and 1/3rd armor/fire support . . . usually they have some attached or organic artillery where the split occurs.

So a mechanized battalion?
HQ Company- lance of armor (bodyguards), reinforced lance of APCs functioning as HQs so com gear, lance of SP artillery
Armor Company
1st Mechanized Company
2nd Mechanized Company

That is for organizational needs . . . if the BN is not going in itself, sometimes it will be broken down into task forces/task groups/combat teams . . . depends on the organizational naming, where it will be the above described armor lance w/ a platoon or two.
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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #8 on: 19 January 2022, 18:42:59 »
I organized my miliitia companies as two platoons of foot infantry embarked in 4 Goblin variants (1 MG, 3 other for a little over 8 squads total capacity, when you consider the 5 tons of the MG variant is technically a platoon plus 2 more tons).  If you want to min-max the carrying capacity, that could be 1 MG variant Goblin, 2 others (probably LRM), and a pure combat vehicle (no, not a Vedette... a Manticore would round out a nice even 200 tons).

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Re: Big, Armed APCs, or Escorts?
« Reply #9 on: 19 January 2022, 22:38:13 »
The Maxim is a nice combination of both...