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What is the most common cause of death/loss for mechs in your experience?

Headcapping, Pilot Hits, and Seatbelt Checks
21 (13.5%)
Getting cored out (all CT internal structure gone)
32 (20.5%)
Complete loss of offensive capability
5 (3.2%)
Losing critical components (gyro, engine, etc.)
42 (26.9%)
Ammo Explosions (including ones resulting in pilot incapacitation)
30 (19.2%)
Morale/voluntary withdrawal (for those that use it)
8 (5.1%)
Immobilization followed by swift death
18 (11.5%)

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #30 on: 06 October 2020, 15:37:23 »
Ah 3025. Maneuver skilfully. Shoot one weapon. Overheat. Miss. Get closer. Repeat. Repeat. Give up skilfully. Flail wildly at each other. Ammo explosion. Insult somebody's ancestry. Beer and pretzels.

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #31 on: 06 October 2020, 18:14:43 »

Surprised that over a fifth of these responses are CT cores and that CT cores are almost even with engine/gyro loss.  Maybe most of these CT cores are lighter/poorly armored mechs that get cored before crits kick in.  But in my experience, CT cores are ~10% of mech deaths, maybe less.  (I remember them because of their rarity.)  Engine/gyro hits usually stack up first, or opponents use other techniques (leg damage, lots of tiny hits to inflict mechwarrior hits/floating crits, etc.) that don’t require hammering through CT armor.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #32 on: 06 October 2020, 20:12:15 »
I think that's somethn that varies a lot with era and whether your play style tends to ligher or heavier mechs.
Lighter mechs are easier to core and heavier ones are easier to crit to death in my experience
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #33 on: 06 October 2020, 20:48:22 »
It also depends on what weapons are commonly being fielded. If, like me, you run with a crowd that enjoys throwing a lot off Gauss Rifles and big-bore autocannons onto the table, things tend to get cored out a lot faster than if you're spamming medium lasers and SRMs.  It only takes three shots to the center torso from a Gauss Rifle to kill an Atlas once its armor's breached.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #34 on: 07 October 2020, 01:23:17 »
Engine kills followed by Core kills are the most common  . Gyro and head kills seem to happen about the same . Ammo after CASE and CASE II are just another source of Engine and pilot hits . Pilot kills outside of head destroyed is the rarest of all .

Like to play post 3030 and modify almost everything with CASE so much of the Ammo issues are mute

Your poll seems agree with my observations of frequently of source of kills . I liked this post a great deal it seems the forum gets used less often as issues are addressed  forgotten  and adressed again .
« Last Edit: 07 October 2020, 01:28:33 by Col Toda »

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #35 on: 07 October 2020, 01:32:53 »
It also depends on what weapons are commonly being fielded. If, like me, you run with a crowd that enjoys throwing a lot off Gauss Rifles and big-bore autocannons onto the table, things tend to get cored out a lot faster than if you're spamming medium lasers and SRMs.  It only takes three shots to the center torso from a Gauss Rifle to kill an Atlas once its armor's breached.

OR if you are getting in a mech's rear, its easier to kill it too!
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #36 on: 07 October 2020, 07:30:06 »
Sounds like one of the pick up games, when i was stationed in Mayport..
My mech had jumped on top of a L6 building.  Saw an enemy on a L1 building.  Tried a DFA, MISSED..  Fell through roof, into a sub-level 3 basement..  Blew up my own left torso from falling damage, and bye bye my XL engine.

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #37 on: 07 October 2020, 10:54:52 »
While the head hits and ammo explosions are more memorable, MOST kills in the games I've played or seen come down to a problem of less than infinite internal structure in the CT.  If you're playing mostly Heavy and Assault class 'Mechs, you'll almost inevitably see more kills due to critical hits, because it will take several internal hits and critical checks before the structure is gone.  If you're playing later eras with a lot of XL and XXL engines on the table, those will usually die due to engine hits when a side torso is gone.  In 3025 play, using a somewhat close to canon mix of weight classes, you'll lose most Light and Medium 'Mechs to cored CTs, and those will typically account for more than half of your force.

Over the years, I've seen one player pull off an incredible string of head hits (6 or 7 in one game, all with MLs), while another player was notorious for snake-eyes locations rolls, which before the "floating crits" became a common optional rule, usually resulted in scrammed gyros.  As said, however, those are the memorable exceptions, not the rule.

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #38 on: 07 October 2020, 13:50:44 »
Surprised that over a fifth of these responses are CT cores and that CT cores are almost even with engine/gyro loss.  Maybe most of these CT cores are lighter/poorly armored mechs that get cored before crits kick in.  But in my experience, CT cores are ~10% of mech deaths, maybe less.  (I remember them because of their rarity.)  Engine/gyro hits usually stack up first, or opponents use other techniques (leg damage, lots of tiny hits to inflict mechwarrior hits/floating crits, etc.) that don’t require hammering through CT armor.
While engine destruction, and CT destruction are being listed separately, I tend to think of them as a bit of the same thing.

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #39 on: 07 October 2020, 15:24:28 »
Sounds like one of the pick up games, when i was stationed in Mayport..
My mech had jumped on top of a L6 building.  Saw an enemy on a L1 building.  Tried a DFA, MISSED..  Fell through roof, into a sub-level 3 basement..  Blew up my own left torso from falling damage, and bye bye my XL engine.
My mercs did that in a pre-mission training exercise. Idiot in a brand new 3050 Charger thought it would be fun to DFA the trainer's Mist Lynx. Slipped and critted out the 400XL. Needed to pay for a brand new engine before facing a single enemy.

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #40 on: 07 October 2020, 15:42:25 »
While engine destruction, and CT destruction are being listed separately, I tend to think of them as a bit of the same thing.

I believe they're referring to crits when they say engine destruction.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #41 on: 07 October 2020, 15:44:51 »
Well, it said "death from above". It didn´t say whose death.

That was the running joke for a few weeks, after that happened..

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #42 on: 07 October 2020, 15:54:49 »
Sounds like one of the pick up games, when i was stationed in Mayport..
My mech had jumped on top of a L6 building.  Saw an enemy on a L1 building.  Tried a DFA, MISSED..  Fell through roof, into a sub-level 3 basement..  Blew up my own left torso from falling damage, and bye bye my XL engine.

Reminds me of a game when I watched a Catapult try to land on the roof of a Level 5 light building.  Crashed all the way into the sub-basement, was left with just his feet sticking out.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #43 on: 08 October 2020, 19:54:54 »
Loving all the responses, data, and stories, everyone! Haven't participated much in the discussion myself, but it's been great reading.

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #44 on: 12 October 2020, 20:13:41 »
Easily by through the armor critical hits .

I've been gyroed out on the first hit more times then I can count .
I've also taken crippling engine hits in the first few rounds of fire more times then I can count .
If I'm going to loose a game the cause is usually a crit that happens in the first few rounds of fire .

I also RARELY score through the armor crits on my opponents but do score a fair number of
head hits/ cockpit crits because I tend to field PPCs .

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #45 on: 24 October 2020, 20:35:27 »
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #46 on: 29 October 2020, 13:37:25 »
If we want to talk memorable head shots, for me it was the time my Hussar pasted a Nightstar in the face with its PPC then a couple turns later finished it off with a boot to the head.  The nightstar was otherwise minimally damaged.
Does the deployment round count?  Same game, we orbital dropped and somehow most of the force managed to blow its landing roll including the mech that managed to crash on top of the one of mine that had managed to make it down safely.  A do-over was declared.

LOL, I recall that well, the Moral victory there of killing the NS after having the entire force basically wiped out twice.   
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #47 on: 29 October 2020, 13:42:29 »
Surprised that over a fifth of these responses are CT cores and that CT cores are almost even with engine/gyro loss.  Maybe most of these CT cores are lighter/poorly armored mechs that get cored before crits kick in.  But in my experience, CT cores are ~10% of mech deaths, maybe less.  (I remember them because of their rarity.)  Engine/gyro hits usually stack up first, or opponents use other techniques (leg damage, lots of tiny hits to inflict mechwarrior hits/floating crits, etc.) that don’t require hammering through CT armor.

While engine destruction, and CT destruction are being listed separately, I tend to think of them as a bit of the same thing.

I'm thinking this just depends on luck of the crit rolls.
You roll a couple 10+ & sure, it might die early.
Roll 7 or less & the Core % gets bigger fast.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #48 on: 29 October 2020, 13:45:29 »
era and tech contribute. you're going to lose a lot more IS units to torso destruction once you start using XLs

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #49 on: 29 October 2020, 13:59:57 »
I'm thinking this just depends on luck of the crit rolls.
You roll a couple 10+ & sure, it might die early.
Roll 7 or less & the Core % gets bigger fast.

It also depends on the prevalence of XL engines in your games.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #50 on: 29 October 2020, 17:17:20 »
era and tech contribute. you're going to lose a lot more IS units to torso destruction once you start using XLs

Wait if you have an IS XL engine and lose a side the mech is dead due to engine destruction, rather than torso destruction. 

I think we may need to define what the categories are defined as.  Because I took torso destruction to mean CT coring, and the mech only being salvage. 

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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #51 on: 29 October 2020, 22:25:45 »
Wait if you have an IS XL engine and lose a side the mech is dead due to engine destruction, rather than torso destruction. 

I think we may need to define what the categories are defined as.  Because I took torso destruction to mean CT coring, and the mech only being salvage.

I specified that "coring out" means  losing all CT internal structure, so yeah, the intention was that losing an XL engine due to side torso loss would be engine damage rather than a core. There was never really a specific "torso destruction" option.

While I personally didn't vote in the poll (since I made it, and regardless I wouldn't consider myself to have enough experience for a good sample), my one experience with IS XL engined mechs has been rather unimpressive. They almost always died from side torso hits, and of the 3 mechs I lost in an 8v8 game against the AI, all were XL-engined.
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Re: How Do Your Mechs Die?
« Reply #52 on: 03 November 2020, 21:57:05 »
One thing I haven’t seen is the combination of riding the heat scale and a TAC engine crit leading to botched shutdown rolls and getting focus-fired the next turn. Same with pilot blackout > focus-fire

They tend to lead to CT kills from volume of fire - but my ability to roll 2s on 3+ pilot consciousness checks will never cease to astound. Those poor people never seem to wake up...

 

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