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agen2

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Looking for advices.
« on: 13 August 2022, 15:21:55 »
I'm looking for the best way to fit 6K point in a 3025 lance.
6K is really a lot and I was wondering if it would be better to take 4 mechs in the 1500 bv range or split into 5/6 medium/light mechs and have more speed?
The maps I will play on will most likely be a mixture of hills and trees.

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Re: Looking for advices.
« Reply #1 on: 13 August 2022, 15:35:25 »
Hills and trees means jump jets are useful, but high ground speed works.
Woods means a lot of cover, so investing into higher skilled pilots may be worth it.

A Crusader 3L (has jump jets) for example would be a bit over 1500k BV with 3/5 pilot, so you could field a lance of 4 'Mechs with good gunners probably. Approx 1250 BV before skill adjustment would be the limit for 3/5 pilots.

Do you have preferences toward certain types or some restrictions (like available miniatures)?
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« Reply #2 on: 13 August 2022, 15:37:42 »
My standard solution would be 3 x WVR-6Ms at 3/5, plus a fourth at 4/5.  That only leaves 62 on the table for Ferrets/Infantry/etc.

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Re: Looking for advices.
« Reply #3 on: 13 August 2022, 17:15:01 »

Any intel on the expected opposition?
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Re: Looking for advices.
« Reply #4 on: 14 August 2022, 00:50:42 »
Hills and trees means jump jets are useful, but high ground speed works.
Woods means a lot of cover, so investing into higher skilled pilots may be worth it.

A Crusader 3L (has jump jets) for example would be a bit over 1500k BV with 3/5 pilot, so you could field a lance of 4 'Mechs with good gunners probably. Approx 1250 BV before skill adjustment would be the limit for 3/5 pilots.

Do you have preferences toward certain types or some restrictions (like available miniatures)?

Initially I had thought of a line-up inclined to Davion with WHM-6D, MAD-3D and put in other machines to reach 6000 points, such as Enforcer and maybe even a Jagermech.

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Re: Looking for advices.
« Reply #5 on: 14 August 2022, 00:57:10 »
My standard solution would be 3 x WVR-6Ms at 3/5, plus a fourth at 4/5.  That only leaves 62 on the table for Ferrets/Infantry/etc.
That's sounds good.

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« Reply #6 on: 14 August 2022, 01:09:02 »
Any intel on the expected opposition?

That's a good question.
It could be that my opponent can field a force of type 3 assault and a light.

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« Reply #7 on: 14 August 2022, 05:44:47 »
Four Wolverines should be able to take that...  8)

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« Reply #8 on: 14 August 2022, 08:53:48 »
Once brought 16 Stingers to a 6k match. Worked out pretty well*.
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Re: Looking for advices.
« Reply #9 on: 14 August 2022, 09:13:15 »

My favorites Introtech ~6K BV2 Lance is two MAD-4A Marauder IIs and two ENF-4R Enforcers.  It’s a little over at 6180 BV2.  But the combination of apex zombie assaults, eight hole-punching to-hit rolls per turn, and all jump-capable force is really tough to deal with.
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Re: Looking for advices.
« Reply #10 on: 14 August 2022, 09:16:07 »
Regarding opposition: are they experience or a casual player?
Just sayin' that against a casual you don't want extremely optimized lance.
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« Reply #11 on: 14 August 2022, 13:41:39 »
Regarding opposition: are they experience or a casual player?
Just sayin' that against a casual you don't want extremely optimized lance.

Not really, compared to my thirty years of experience they are beginners, but they have been playing for a couple of years and already have experience in other tactics games (they have escaped from warhammer).
We have already played a lot with the Clans, but this time to make it easier we opted for a 3025.

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« Reply #12 on: 14 August 2022, 13:53:38 »
My favorites Introtech ~6K BV2 Lance is two MAD-4A Marauder IIs and two ENF-4R Enforcers.  It’s a little over at 6180 BV2.  But the combination of apex zombie assaults, eight hole-punching to-hit rolls per turn, and all jump-capable force is really tough to deal with.

Indeed, I'm just afraid he takes the field with stuff like that.

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« Reply #13 on: 14 August 2022, 13:55:05 »
The Wolverines could at last outmaneuver them.  Whether that would be enough depends on too many things to say for sure.  At the very least, I'm pretty sure there would still be four Wolverines standing after the Enforcers are down.

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« Reply #14 on: 14 August 2022, 18:38:23 »
4 Wolverines is boring.
Mix it up some, sounds like they're looking for different experiences.
The solution is just ignore Paul.

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« Reply #15 on: 14 August 2022, 18:39:50 »
Boring to some, sure, but not to me!  :D

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« Reply #16 on: 14 August 2022, 18:41:41 »
4 Wolverines is boring.
Mix it up some, sounds like they're looking for different experiences.
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« Reply #17 on: 14 August 2022, 18:58:14 »
Boring to some, sure, but not to me!  :D

If your opponents are bored, you're doing it wrong :p
The solution is just ignore Paul.

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« Reply #18 on: 14 August 2022, 19:18:52 »
If I'm GMing, sure...

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« Reply #19 on: 14 August 2022, 19:44:10 »
Oh boy, let's go play with that Daryk fellow! It's Wolverines every time, I'm so looking forward to this! ;)
(I know this isn't true; I don't think I've played you in a Wolverine yet!)

My suggestion would be that every player has a vested interest to ensure their opponent can have a good time.
The solution is just ignore Paul.

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« Reply #20 on: 14 August 2022, 20:34:31 »
Actually we have... I was only running two of them at the time, though...  ^-^

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« Reply #21 on: 14 August 2022, 20:35:11 »
Actually we have... I was only running two of them at the time, though...  ^-^

lol well clearly it didnt leave a lasting impression on me. ;)
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« Reply #22 on: 14 August 2022, 20:37:56 »
You were kind of busy being swarmed by all of us... you almost got a clan 'mech off the board, but we clipped you on the last turn.

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« Reply #23 on: 15 August 2022, 03:42:20 »
4 Hunchback 4J's (3/5 pilots) and 2 Savannah Masters (4/5) clocks in at just under 6K.

Spot with the Savannahs & indirect the 4 Hunchies for potentially 80 LRMS a turn for 12 turns max. Or direct fire with the Hunchies if you can see them and have the Savannahs backstab/annoy.

Whats that? They are going to bum rush you? Or you run out of ammo?

Oh well why not have 20 ML's to spam as back up...

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« Reply #24 on: 17 August 2022, 05:21:14 »
Mix of Medium and  Heavy. Cicada is a medium that performs as a light that can absorb more damage .

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« Reply #25 on: 17 August 2022, 12:17:41 »
Initially I had thought of a line-up inclined to Davion with WHM-6D, MAD-3D and put in other machines to reach 6000 points, such as Enforcer and maybe even a Jagermech.

If you are going to play Davion, you could easily go Whammy 6D (3/4), MAD-3D (3/4), ENF-4R (4/4), and CN9-A (4/5) for 5962 BV.  It seems like you are willing to cede maneuverability by taking 4/6 movers--with your experience I'll spare you my thoughts, other than those 4 mechs should be able to support each other nicely up to 18 hexes.

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« Reply #26 on: 18 August 2022, 02:45:48 »
Thanks all for your kind response.
BTW at the end I opted for 4 HBK-4J(3/5) 1 Warrior H7 A and Savannah regular pilot.
The OPFOR  fielded WHM-6K,THG-10E,PNT-9R,JR7-K,Demolisher and Striker.
The maps where a mix of rolling hill and trees.
My team mate was a newby,but anyway this combo works quite good.
We manage to inclict a lot of damage by indirect fire(thanks to the savannah).
My regreat was that we didn't use indirect fire for more rounds,we would been able to wear them out better.
At the end I lost the warrior vtol and 1 hbk was badly damaged.
OPFOR had a whm badly damaged,the panter and jenner also took heavy damage.
The demolisher losted all his movement point ann 1 ac20 while the striker after having suffered in the second round the fire of 8 lrm10, having suffered a substancial ammount of damage he stayed in the back line trying to harass my spotter(savannah).

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« Reply #27 on: 23 August 2022, 07:03:05 »
Thanks all for your kind response.
BTW at the end I opted for 4 HBK-4J(3/5) 1 Warrior H7 A and Savannah regular pilot.
The OPFOR  fielded WHM-6K,THG-10E,PNT-9R,JR7-K,Demolisher and Striker.
The maps where a mix of rolling hill and trees.
My team mate was a newby,but anyway this combo works quite good.
We manage to inclict a lot of damage by indirect fire(thanks to the savannah).
My regreat was that we didn't use indirect fire for more rounds,we would been able to wear them out better.
At the end I lost the warrior vtol and 1 hbk was badly damaged.
OPFOR had a whm badly damaged,the panter and jenner also took heavy damage.
The demolisher losted all his movement point ann 1 ac20 while the striker after having suffered in the second round the fire of 8 lrm10, having suffered a substancial ammount of damage he stayed in the back line trying to harass my spotter(savannah).

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« Reply #28 on: 23 August 2022, 08:50:35 »
A blend, a heavy with range that can play an over-watch role, two 5-6 hex medium jumpers and then a fourth as you see fit. You could tinker around with a cheap missile boat and some cheap VTOLs to spot for indirect fire. Those 5-6 hex jumpers can play a many roles on the field; flank, skirmish, brawl, etc..