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No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« on: 15 August 2022, 22:22:38 »
TRO 3085 includes a platoon of Minelayer infantry, but Specialized Infantry in TO:AUE doesn't have an entry for minelayers, only minesweepers. Anyone know what's up with that?
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #1 on: 16 August 2022, 01:11:26 »
Demolition Engineers are the closest I see, but your point is taken.  Mine laying equipment exists for BA and larger vehicles, and it would make sense that Combat Engineers of some flavor could lay mines, but I don't see it spelled out anywhere.

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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #2 on: 16 August 2022, 05:45:21 »
On old TO, Combat Engineers are able to be assigned to perform minelayer duty. Combat Engineers are able to be assigned to one task before a scenario and minelayer is one of these.

edit: sorry, it was incorrect and what I actually have seen was minesweeping engineers.

But if you want to do it I think that Demolition Engineers would be the most similar with this.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #3 on: 16 August 2022, 05:58:10 »
Given that the Minelayer infantry has line "Combat engineers: Minelayer", makes me think TacOps needs errata to add this. Looking at old TacOps errata, Scuba (Mechanized) was added in errata. So it makes sense Minelayer Infantry is supposed to be added as well.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #4 on: 16 August 2022, 06:30:25 »
That would be the best solution.  It would take a line or two of rules to outline how big of a minefield they could lay and how long it would take.

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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #5 on: 16 August 2022, 06:36:49 »
Honestly shocked that, as far as I can tell, it's only coming up now.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #6 on: 16 August 2022, 06:55:20 »
Easy to overlook. Minelayer infantry is so logical people just gloss over that bit they're not actually included in TacOps, even though they logically should be.
Or perhaps the issue was raised internally (Scuba Mechanized was evidently added for TRO3085) but it was forgotten to be included in errata. There have been inadvertent changes and omissions in erratas before.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #7 on: 16 August 2022, 10:21:19 »
Or it could simply be that PBI plant mines when no enemy is around, while all the other mine-laying sources are for active combat scenarios.  It's not like they need any special equipment in order to do it, other than the basic entrenching tool.  All the rest is transport.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #8 on: 16 August 2022, 10:28:07 »
Or it could simply be that PBI plant mines when no enemy is around, while all the other mine-laying sources are for active combat scenarios.  It's not like they need any special equipment in order to do it, other than the basic entrenching tool.  All the rest is transport.
The minelayer infantry from TRO 3085 are depicted as having a mine dispersal rig similar to Battle Armor Mine Dispensers that should, based on what's said and shown, allow them to seed minefields in combat.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #9 on: 16 August 2022, 11:54:22 »
Do we have a canon vehicle that plants mines during a tactical turn?  I enjoyed playing with the Minelayers in MechCommander Gold and the only way I really saw it to be done was using Hetzer (LRM) to toss out fields.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #10 on: 16 August 2022, 12:18:27 »
Do we have a canon vehicle that plants mines during a tactical turn?  I enjoyed playing with the Minelayers in MechCommander Gold and the only way I really saw it to be done was using Hetzer (LRM) to toss out fields.

I assume you mean other than Thunder and FASCAM systems, right?

I'm not aware of any myself, and I can't find an option for it in MegaMekLab.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #11 on: 16 August 2022, 12:18:48 »
Same: Any vehicle with an LRM is one, as noted.  I can't think of any with dedicated mine laying equipment.

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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #12 on: 16 August 2022, 12:35:11 »
The Vehiclular Mine Dispenser, TO:AUE p. 137. Used by variants of the Centaur, Myrmidon, Bardiche, Fulmar, Beagle, Hunter, Demon, and Vandal combat vehicles.
There's also the Battle Armor Mine Dispenser, used by the Fah Shih, Gray Death Infiltrator, Void, Shen Long, and Sloth BAs.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #13 on: 16 August 2022, 13:12:34 »
Centaur?  It is either a Proto or the RAF's Artillery BA.

Vandal is the new Cappie Omni, the Vandal B has the dispenser.

Fulmar is a WiGE, has 4 dispensers.

Myrmidon Type 2 has 'launchers' per Sarna, but that is probably a error.

Hunter is the Sea Hunter/Hunter Amphib.

Demon is the CX-2, a experimental design.

Beagle is the LRRP, a SLDF experimental design.

 . . . the Bardiche & Myrmidon are the only main line vehicle with Mine Dispensers . . . but the Bardiche is wheeled, and neither is really a dedicated minelaying vehicle.

It would be cool if they would re-work the old 40t Engineering Vehicle to turn it into a Omni to give it variants where it had mine & sensor dispensers, fluid sprayers, and some of the other support type equipment.  I will have to pull out MML when I get home and throw a link here.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #14 on: 16 August 2022, 13:33:34 »
Handbook: House Liao has minelayer infantry.  Says "... follow the rules for Combat Engineers (TO) for maximum size and construction..."
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #15 on: 16 August 2022, 13:45:18 »
Handbook: House Liao has minelayer infantry.  Says "... follow the rules for Combat Engineers (TO) for maximum size and construction..."
Yes, but the crux of the issue is that there are several types of Combat Engineers, but TO has no entry for minelayer infantry, and seemingly never has despite being referenced multiple times now.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #16 on: 16 August 2022, 13:52:54 »
Yes, but the crux of the issue is that there are several types of Combat Engineers, but TO has no entry for minelayer infantry, and seemingly never has despite being referenced multiple times now.
I get an impression that the HBHL actually gives the rules for this type.
"Minelayer infantry operates in a fashion similar to Demolitions Engineers." and goes on from there.

That said, i do believe this probably should be included in TacOps.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #17 on: 16 August 2022, 15:08:54 »
Does it say how big a minefield, or how long it takes? ???

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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #18 on: 16 August 2022, 15:11:14 »
Does it say how big a minefield, or how long it takes? ???

Yup, there's nearly a full column that covers pretty much everything from size to what happens if they take fire/damage during work.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #19 on: 16 August 2022, 15:17:32 »
Cool... that should definitely be in TacOps!  :thumbsup:

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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #20 on: 16 August 2022, 15:19:34 »
I tossed this question to Errata Discussion thread as it is not straight errata for TacOps as HBHL essentially has the rules. But there's no note in TRO3085 where minelayer infantry rules are, not to mention one housebook being a rather weird place for them.
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Re: No Rules for Minelayer Infantry?
« Reply #21 on: 16 August 2022, 15:22:12 »
That was the right place to post the problem for TPTB.  :thumbsup: