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Vonshroom

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Striker Battlemech
« on: 30 November 2022, 15:22:36 »
Hello,

I was looking for some insight on the proliferation of the Striker Battlemech. I am talking about the 80 ton STC-2C specifically. Sarna has it listed that around 300 were left by 3058 (surviving succession wars) and the manufacturing plant that made them (Stormvanger) wasn't destroyed until 2867 which means the design lasted long into the succession wars. With its low tech, rugged / reliable and easy to maintain fluff, star league status & role it would appear that loads of these things would have been around during the 3025 era. I know how the writing works, but is there any reason that this mech wouldn't be a fairly common sight (for assault mechs) in the late succession wars era?

I play by the whole "if it fits in your game then you can use it" motto of battletech, but how realistic would it be for this to be the ride for a mercenary in the 4th succession war? Replacement parts seem easy enough to get and it shares loads of components with other similar mechs, yet offers something somewhat unique.
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #1 on: 30 November 2022, 16:18:10 »
I recall the Confederation ended up with quite a number of the existing units.
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #2 on: 30 November 2022, 18:25:31 »
I recall the Confederation ended up with quite a number of the existing units.

Correct and MUL has it as available Cappies, St. Ives and Lyrans during the 4th war era. 
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #3 on: 30 November 2022, 18:27:00 »
It depends on where the Mercenary and his ancestor came from and their experiences.

Is it possible?  Yup.

Is it probable?  Not as probable as having an Archer or Stinger, but more likely than having a Land Air Mech.
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #4 on: 03 December 2022, 23:35:27 »
I don't see why not. The Striker is a rarer chassis, but we've seen smaller merc groups with rarer chassis or larger concentrations of supposedly rare ones, in canon before. The Antiaran Lancers from House Arano come to mind with their lance of pristine Battlemaster 1Gs in gold paint, and they're only company size serving a second tier Periphery power. A Striker should be easier to maintain then that. 

It's also not a design that really breaks anything like a lostech unit would in the 3025 to 3040 era. Later on you could even mod it to be a pretty decent low cost assault mech.

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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #5 on: 04 December 2022, 12:16:22 »
Apparently the Striker wasn't appreciated and was relegated to militia units. So production could have been steady but low. If production even continued. The lines could have been retooled. Either way it doesn't seem like there were many to start with. Then militia end up having their mechs sent to the frontlines of the meat grinder that was the Succession Wars and we get less than 300 by 3058. I don't see that as a reason why a Merc Company couldn't have a Striker. Like others have said, other rare mechs have ended up in mercenary hands. Why shouldn't the Striker?


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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #6 on: 04 December 2022, 15:11:15 »
They were lightly present during the Succession Wars, so if anyone would have one during the latter end of that period, it would likely be a mercenary as compared to a state-run organization. Indeed, they are available on the Mercenary RAT for Anton's Revolt (just--on a '2'), which doesn't mean much other than at some level during that period, they were present or available.

Personally, I consider them as 'color' rides, or ones that impart a character (NPC, antagonist, or protagonist, etc.) with a bit of individuality or spice. Ever since 3025 I was looking for them. It took a good while... ;D
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #7 on: 04 December 2022, 15:36:17 »
Heh... it it's on the RAT for your faction, that saves you experience points in character creation...  ^-^

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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #8 on: 07 December 2022, 00:15:58 »
Huh. Didn't know that. Cheers.
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #9 on: 07 December 2022, 04:38:09 »
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #10 on: 11 December 2022, 19:06:04 »
I don't see why not. The Striker is a rarer chassis, but we've seen smaller merc groups with rarer chassis or larger concentrations of supposedly rare ones, in canon before. The Antiaran Lancers from House Arano come to mind with their lance of pristine Battlemaster 1Gs in gold paint, and they're only company size serving a second tier Periphery power. A Striker should be easier to maintain then that. 

It's also not a design that really breaks anything like a lostech unit would in the 3025 to 3040 era. Later on you could even mod it to be a pretty decent low cost assault mech.

This is a fact. I know trying to make sense of FASA stuff can be a mess, but in reality it seems like the Striker should have been way more prolific. Its got a simple yet effective arsenal but would be easily upgraded into a nastier unit later on. Its fluffed as easy to maintain also.

Apparently the Striker wasn't appreciated and was relegated to militia units. So production could have been steady but low. If production even continued. The lines could have been retooled. Either way it doesn't seem like there were many to start with. Then militia end up having their mechs sent to the frontlines of the meat grinder that was the Succession Wars and we get less than 300 by 3058. I don't see that as a reason why a Merc Company couldn't have a Striker. Like others have said, other rare mechs have ended up in mercenary hands. Why shouldn't the Striker?


According to Sarna anyways "Along with the Stalker[5], the Striker became one of the most common 'Mechs in service. The Striker was built with the intent of being rugged and reliable, but more importantly, allowed House Lords to reserve their precious and limited numbers of assault BattleMechs for their own personal armies. " This to me does not indicate that it had low production numbers at least initially. Kind of interesting.

Also the fact that there were ~300 in service still by 3058 is wild considering that most of those are active in  Capellan space and 3025 fluffs that the Cappies were "only capable of fielding a few hundred Marauders" by 3025. Other mechs like the Clint (which appear on a few factions RAT tables for the era) are fluffed to have less than 300 units in service during the clan invasion. Considering the beating the cappies took during the 4th and militia forces of House Steiner took during the Clan invasion its easy to jump to the conclusion that a huge amount of the Strikers surviving the succession wars had been destroyed prior to 3058.



I know I know... Its a retconned mech & you cant explain away fasanomics and "do what you want with your game" but am I the only one that's bummed the Striker isn't more prolific in canon?

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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #11 on: 20 December 2022, 09:48:37 »
I'm still bummed no one ever took up production of the 7A Mackie or the intro tech Emperor...

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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #12 on: 20 December 2022, 13:36:25 »
I'm still bummed no one ever took up production of the 7A Mackie or the intro tech Emperor...

Same here, both these mechs provide something very unique design / loadout wise within the universe too especially at intro-tech levels. Although the 9H Mackie is the one that really stand out to me.
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Re: Striker Battlemech
« Reply #13 on: 21 December 2022, 03:44:24 »
According to Sarna anyways "Along with the Stalker[5], the Striker became one of the most common 'Mechs in service. The Striker was built with the intent of being rugged and reliable, but more importantly, allowed House Lords to reserve their precious and limited numbers of assault BattleMechs for their own personal armies. " This to me does not indicate that it had low production numbers at least initially. Kind of interesting.

Also the fact that there were ~300 in service still by 3058 is wild considering that most of those are active in  Capellan space and 3025 fluffs that the Cappies were "only capable of fielding a few hundred Marauders" by 3025. Other mechs like the Clint (which appear on a few factions RAT tables for the era) are fluffed to have less than 300 units in service during the clan invasion. Considering the beating the cappies took during the 4th and militia forces of House Steiner took during the Clan invasion its easy to jump to the conclusion that a huge amount of the Strikers surviving the succession wars had been destroyed prior to 3058.



I know I know... Its a retconned mech & you cant explain away fasanomics and "do what you want with your game" but am I the only one that's bummed the Striker isn't more prolific in canon?




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The Striker was originally commissioned by the SLDF high command in 2571 for non-Royal SLDF units (those units originally donated by Great Houses to the SLDF).
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In spite of the 'Mech's dependability, the Striker was marginal compared with later assault BattleMechs, and was eventually relegated to serving in militia units, with the highest concentration ending up on the rimward edge of the Terran Hegemony. After the destruction of the Stormvanger lines in 2867, fewer than 300 Strikers were known to exist in 3058.

The Striker may have started out with high production numbers but I'm sure production dropped greatly after it was relegated to militia units. I'm also not sure a huge amount survived the Succession Wars. The way the last sentence reads, it seems like the numbers rapidly dwindled after the destruction of the factory. Plus we don't even know how many survived to that point. There were a few very large, and very destructive wars between 2571 and 2867. Add in the fact that prior to the Succession Wars, perfectly good mechs no one wanted were scrapped, and most could have been lost long before 3025. I am sure more were lost during the 4th Succession War, the War of 3039, and the Clan Invasion but I don't think there would have been a huge number of them during those wars.

 

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