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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #30 on: 04 January 2022, 16:18:43 »
I know, but many of the responses were things like MASH, Bulldozer, Repair Truck, Ammo Carrier.

I was pointing out that those "Support" units, not "Combat Support" units.

Combat Support = ECM, TAG, NARC, "Scouts/Recon", C3, Arti/Mortars, Sensors..... etc etc.

It's not quite as clear cut, depending on the era, nation and branch. For example, bulldozers: many armies/branches count combat engineers among the combat support forces, such as the USMC, and maintain special engineer tanks and armored bulldozers (see Caterpillar D9). The US Army counted the Corps of Engineers even as Combat Forces that include Combat Support and Combat Service Support roles (see FM 3-90).
For a short time even  Civil Affairs and PsyOps were listed as Combat Support.

Some ammo carriers belong directly to artillery units (which are generally counted as Combat Support), e.g. the M992 FAASV is directly paired with an M109 howitzer at the section level.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #31 on: 04 January 2022, 18:16:05 »
Tactical PSYOP Teams are absolutely "Combat Support".

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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #32 on: 05 January 2022, 00:06:02 »
Tactical PSYOP Teams are absolutely "Combat Support".

But miss the 'vehicle' criteria . . . and the 'damage boost' part of the description.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #33 on: 05 January 2022, 06:43:33 »
But miss the 'vehicle' criteria . . . and the 'damage boost' part of the description.

Make the vehicle have extra Communications Equipment, a TAG, and a ton or two for the crew.  Their entire goal is to make sure their side has advantage in initiative, and anyone getting close to them will be on the receiving end of whatever artillery is present.  Maybe add some Vehicular Grenade Launchers for smoke protection, LRMs with smoke ammo to interfere with enemy sight lines, etc.

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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #34 on: 05 January 2022, 09:53:40 »
Which is a Mobile HQ vehicle . . . you can use it however you want, but it is still the same vehicle boosting the forces in the same manner.

Not sure there is a canon vehicle with the Coms gear & TAG, though knowing IRL tanks pop smoke the lack of VGLs on vehicles is annoying.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #35 on: 05 January 2022, 17:12:45 »
I know, but many of the responses were things like MASH, Bulldozer, Repair Truck, Ammo Carrier.

I was pointing out that those "Support" units, not "Combat Support" units.

Combat Support = ECM, TAG, NARC, "Scouts/Recon", C3, Arti/Mortars, Sensors..... etc etc.

If it's used on a combat battlefield (ie, on the hex map), then it's combat support. And artillery/mortar units absolutely have zero place in this thread. They don't help units do damage, they inflict their own damage, which is explicitly ruled out.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #36 on: 05 January 2022, 18:49:43 »
Those units are the ones expliciitly supported by spotters/TAG, etc.  Their place in this thread is as that: supported units.

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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #37 on: 06 January 2022, 05:21:08 »
Are units that extend the combat life of other units (thereby helping them to do more damage over time) allowed?
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #38 on: 06 January 2022, 12:12:59 »
Like coolant trucks?
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #39 on: 06 January 2022, 13:11:28 »
Coolant trucks, but also engineering vehicles for hull-down fallback positions, flamer- or inferno-based vehicles to create smoke screens (also by VGL-equipped vehicles ) or protect flanks and cover retreats by burning large wooded areas or deny firing positions to vehicles and infantry, bridgelayers to let pocketed vehicles escape or let backstabbers loose in the enemy rear, missile carriers and artillery firing (and clearing) mines, smoke or anti laser aerosol (straddling Combat and Combat Support forces)...

The best? Depends on the enemy and friendly forces, terrain, task, time, when the enemy player learned to play the game (fear of fire ingrained from earlier editions, for example)...
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #40 on: 07 January 2022, 09:55:45 »
A lot of the time, we are concerned about how much damage each individual unit can pump out . . . everyone loves to tout their DPS numbers.

But what about a unit that enhances damage other folks on your side can put out?  Considering some of the advanced rules- ECM/ECCM, TAG, NARC, iNARC, Sensor Masts, Remote Sensor Dispensers, Probes, Fluid Guns, TSEMP and C3 slaves & masters all offer methods to help their fellows cause more damage.

Up to the the end of the Dark Age, what vehicle as a utility player do you reach for to round out a force?

In other words, you've got the steak, you want the salt that makes it taste even better? OK.

The Tufana is a great one. Any NARC/iNARC carrier will make your missile boats even more effective. Units with TAG if you're using Semi-Guided LRMs. I can't think of anything else without going into custom design territory.

Thinking about this question opened up a whole new series of vehicle ideas in my head so thanks. I've gotta go write some stuff down.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #41 on: 07 January 2022, 10:02:41 »
Yeah, the Tufana is my real go to and the same sort of set up is what I would have liked to see for Pegasus in 3050s.  But I also ran across the Kite which I think is about on the same level even w/o iNARC and is more widely available which offsets some of the Tuffy's availability.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #42 on: 07 January 2022, 10:15:31 »
What about vehicles that don't increase damage, but make obstacles for enemy units? For example a tank with a chaff pod won't improve damage but will disrupt C3 & sensors. Do those match your criteria?
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #43 on: 07 January 2022, 10:40:18 »
It would, but I am not sure of any canon vehicle with that sort of gear.  Like the Tufana where it has a MML, giving it smoke ammo helps with it's mission.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #44 on: 07 January 2022, 12:50:02 »
What about vehicles that don't increase damage, but make obstacles for enemy units? For example a tank with a chaff pod won't improve damage but will disrupt C3 & sensors. Do those match your criteria?

Any unit that can fire LRM could fit that description, as long as it has access to Thunder ammo.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #45 on: 08 January 2022, 14:20:28 »
or smoke ammo

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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #46 on: 08 January 2022, 18:38:57 »
Something like the Blizzard APC with a LRM5 has LRMs in mission support.  Something like the LRM Carrier or Hunter as mentioned previously have LRM support as the mission.  Sure, they can task over to firing smoke but that is not their mission.  The Tufana has a MML, but that is not really for throwing LRM fire support, it is a mission tool that lets it adapt to the needs- like Infernos, Smoke, Thunder/Aug.  Small racks like that just add to their support mission by letting your LRM Carriers and Hunters be that LRM support they were designed to do on the battlefield.
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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #47 on: 01 March 2022, 18:31:51 »
a Savannah Master with no armor and extra lasers.

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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #48 on: 19 March 2022, 08:32:26 »
Mobile HQ tied to a satellite with the correct equipment jacks initiative . It also gives a Strategic siruational awareness the opposition may not have .

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Re: What is the best combat support vehicle?
« Reply #49 on: 19 March 2022, 16:16:33 »
I think Missile Boats primarily using Illumination, Thunder, Smoke, Incendiary/Inferno, and Mine-Clearance round would count as Combat Support. So would Mortar Carriers using Flares and Smoke rounds. They're not directly engaging in combat but are supporting those who are.

Something with a Spotlight could count for supporting night combat. There's few units with one though.

Would a remote controlled vehicle acting as a decoy count? Or APCs transporting Combat Engineers?

I'm not sure which would be best as support covers so many roles. A Scout/Spotter should have TAG and or a Recon Camera, Remote Sensor Dispenser, maybe extra Com Equipment,  Probes, ECM, Narc, and C3. Maybe Stealth Armor too depending on availability. For other support roles, it's harder to say since Support can cover so many things and items do have mounting restrictions. Outside an OMNI though, I'd think something that included a vehicle flamer, fluid gun, or sprayer with a couple tons of ammo would help. Then they could do various other supporting things and start fires, put out fires, and cool mechs,