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'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« on: 18 February 2011, 09:54:55 »
'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea

Caught between a rock and a hard place both politically and strategically due to their reliance on Detroit for production of major weapons systems, the Magestrix elected to fund a Majesty Metals and Manufacturing project to produce a large, capable new heavy BattleMech domestically.  The design team from the Eyleuka was tapped to handle the development and the resulting design, the Penthesilea, was named for an appropriate figure of Hellenic mythology, an Amazon queen and sister of Hippolyta who fought alongside the Trojans.  Initially sold to Zeus' Thunderbolts for testing purposes, the Penthesilea performed well despite an absurdly reflective paint scheme.  Afterward, half of the production was routed to the Magistracy's Royal Guard and Chasseurs á Cheval regiments.  One note mentions that replaced 'Mechs were diverted back to the Chasseurs and speculates that a certain Colonel deSummersVille may be trying to replace a long missing fourth regiment.  I'm sure that the author of this 'Mech had nothing to do with that, of course.  In any case, the other half is approved for sale to loyal mercenaries and other Periphery realms - so far only the Concordat (which is expected to be putting them to use as part of their fire lances in the Federated Suns theater), but other realms are expected to show up on the list of approved customers soon.  Exactly who is an interesting question given the way Periphery politics have changed lately.

The baseline PEN-2H design itself is the largest ever built in the Magisstracy, and at 75 tons, it sits in a tonnage that is steeped in history and battle honors in both the setting and the memories of gamers.  Storied names like Orion, Marauder, and Timber Wolf fill out the roster of this hallowed tonnage and the Penthesilea is a solid entry into the club.  Powered by the same Vlar 300 engine as so many other BattleMechs and moving 64 kph on a run, the Penthesilea uses endo-steel and ferro-fibrous armor to save tonnage.  215 points of armor gives it a very solid shell and the distribution reminds me just a bit of the Marauder with thicker armor on the arms than the side torsos.  They still pass the AC/20 test and it takes no less than 30 points to strip the legs or center torso, so it's quite acceptable, and the rear plates boast protection against even a PPC hit.  The right arm has an Imperator Code Red LB 10-X autocannon fed by two tons of ammunition located in the arm (theoretically to reduce jamming, something the game doesn't worry about) but CASE is still in the right torso, making this a quite acceptable pseudo-zombie.  The left arm has two particle cannons, one light and one extended range, complementing the autocannon nicely, while the center torso has a battery of three Diverse Optics extended range medium lasers thanks to its compact gyro.  The whole thing is kept quite happily cool by 13 double heat sinks - you can overheat pretty badly if you try but sensible firing patterns will keep it under control for the most part.  Borrowing a trick from the Gallowglas, the Penthesilea has three jump jets.  Atypical for many designs, it worked pretty well for the Gallowglas a lot of the time and it works fine here, especially for moving in vertically constrained terrain or getting across streams.  Another nice little feather in the Penthesilea's cap is the ability to flip its arms.  Between the armor and the amount of firepower pointed right at whichever unit decided to try slipping in from behind, backstabbers are going to find their job much more "interesting" dealing with this 'Mech.

One variant has been built to date, the PEN-2MAF, and it's a bit of a different kettle of kittens.  The ER PPC is still there but everything else is different.  The lasers were trimmed down to a single mount with the remaining weapon moved to the head, the light PPC was upgraded to an ERLL, and the autocannon is now a class 20 version, requiring them to move the ammo into the side torso.  Unfortunately, the sheer bulk of an LB 20-X removed the ability to flip arms and it only has two tons of ammo.  Another heat sink was slotted in to manage the increased heat for the long-range weapons.  The need for crits forced a switch to light ferro-fibrous but the total armor value climbed a little higher in the process, with the only locations not getting at least a point the rear side torsos and the head.  [legal] Unfortunately, sooner or later you have to pay the piper somewhere for things like this and the misfortunate fine print in this case is an extra-light gyro and the loss of the jump jets.  The latter isn't that big an issue.  The gyro is; while the armor thickness should keep it from being too big an issue but my pilots' tendency to botch PSRs, the sight of that gyro fills me with a somewhat irrational dread than even an extra-light engine doesn't.  The extra armor on the center torso should keep the mayhem down to an acceptable level, though, and as I said, this isn't a thing of pure logic.

If you're planning to operate a Penthesilea, you've made a good choice (or had a fortunate turn of luck in regards to the Quartermaster's office, at any rate).  They're solid and hold up fairly well.  Heat management is simpler in practice than it might look at first glance.  The ER PPC is the bedrock of your firing patterns at any range with the 2MAF and should be strongly considered at most of them on the baseline 2H model for the extra damage.  Standing off, supplement it with your other long-range energy weapon (either the LPPC or ERLL).  The 2H can then switch in a laser or two along with the autocannon to balance heat.  On the 2MAF, when you're not firing the autocannon, just keep it like that; you do not have ammunition to waste faffing around so pick your shots and make them count.  Remember that slugs have their place in LB-X cannon fire - there are times another hefty single hit is more useful than cluster rounds.  While the 2MAF does look like it belongs in only close range combat, the long range fire actually works surprisingly well to fence with as you close in to go to town.

Anyone attempting to tame the amazon queen has their work cut out for them.  Both variants pump out a reasonable amount of fire at range and both of them can toss enough individual clusters around to exploit the holes their other weapons open quite happily, to say nothing of their lancemates' weapons.  The armor is quite solid.  Bring your heavy weapons and be prepared to tear the PEN-2H limb from limb to put it down.  The compact gyro cuts back heavily on one of the usual mission kill opportunities while the ammo, being CASE'd, is not as much of an instant kill risk as normal.  You may want to consider taking your chances at knife-fighting.  The PEN-2MAF is a bit easier to bring down thanks to that gyro but not as much as an opponent might wish.  If you've got the weapons, stand off and pound it down from range to avoid the grief from its super-heavy autocannon until you're ready to put it down for the count.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #1 on: 18 February 2011, 10:27:52 »
Excellent write-up as always Moonsword. Now, for my two (or even twenty-five) cents worth.

Well the aesthetics of this mech are ugly as sin. It looks like something someone patched together from whatever spare parts they had lying around at the end of an epic battle. That being said, it's quite the hardy, functional design. The vanilla model makes several "interesting" design choices, but they all pay off well, and work well together. The weapons layout is eclectic, but the range and general punch of the PPCs work well to poke holes is opposing mech's armor, while the LBX/10 contributes extra hole-punching and crit-seeking at medium range. Clusters rounds also make this mech fairly effective against combined-arms formations, as the flak bonus and crit-chances can make mission kills on vehicles a frequent event. The MLs are more of a secondary weapons system, but can provide a nice boost to damage in close, which can help discourage flankers almost as much as the flipping arms. Normally, the lack of that fourth jump jet would be seen as a disadvantage, but three and four Jump MP both pull the same TMM, so it's forgivable and makes the design infinitely more usable in built up terrain. The compact gyro rounds out the design, feeling unnecessary and overweight considering the mech's armor, but is useful in a game where piloting skill rolls are already far too common.

The PEN-2MAF is an interesting departure from the baseline model, playing almost exactly like the vanilla, but with differrent strengths. The lack of JJs hurts in dense terrain, but smart strategic deployment would simply dictate you not use it in those situations. The upgrade to a BFG in place of the LBX10 is a mixed blessing. With the ammo so sparse, it's less of an incentive to use an over-critted amount of cluster rounds, but the pure punching power in close is devastating. The upgrade on the Light PPC to an ERLL helps keep the mech competitive at range as well. My big complaint with the PEN-2MAF is its lack of ability to get that big gun in range. An AC20 of any sort requires either built up terrain, speed or incredible survivability to actually use. This varient sacrifices utility in terrain by giving up the JJs, doesn't have that spectacular of ground mobility, and gives up its previously impressive survivability by the switch to an extremely-vulnerable XL-Gyro. The changes made for the varient all have merit in and of themselves, but all factored together, make for a design with far less usability than its base model.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #2 on: 18 February 2011, 11:38:36 »
It looks like a deformed Osiris, but has decent stats.

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« Reply #3 on: 18 February 2011, 12:23:42 »
The base model is solid, but it seems like they could not make up their mind on the mission profile on the 2MAF.

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« Reply #4 on: 18 February 2011, 13:18:24 »
The compact gyro rounds out the design, feeling unnecessary and overweight considering the mech's armor, but is useful in a game where piloting skill rolls are already far too common.


And useful for matching up to the artwork!
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« Reply #5 on: 18 February 2011, 13:20:53 »
The base model is solid, but it seems like they could not make up their mind on the mission profile on the 2MAF.

Maybe, maybe not, but it does work fairly well if you're reasonably smart about ammo use.

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« Reply #6 on: 18 February 2011, 13:54:07 »
And useful for matching up to the artwork!

Which always makes me happy. Some of the Unseen (stoopid frickin' Locust still irritate me by not even remotely resembling their artwork, stats-wise.
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« Reply #7 on: 18 February 2011, 18:19:34 »
I really like the 2H, now if MM could lay there hands on some Heavy peepers to plug in for the ER/Light combo, they should have some Blakist salvage to reverse engineer (my take is in the archives)

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« Reply #8 on: 18 February 2011, 18:42:35 »
I'm actually not sure how that would work out in practice.  The ER PPC's ten point hit is surprisingly useful up close for supplementing the lasers and autocannon, although you're not necessarily obliged to get right in on someone all the time.  It's definitely an option that's worth exploring.

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« Reply #9 on: 18 February 2011, 22:36:11 »
About the only real flaw I've found in the 2H is that the Left Torso is entirely empty. Any crits that tag that location are going to immediately transfer in and start working away at your CT, possibly ruining all the extra durability that you got from the compact gyro. The 2MAF fixes this by placing 2 DHS in the LT, but now 2 out of 3 slots that can be hit for a critical in the RT are explosive ammo.

Something to keep in mind once you start taking damage I suppose.

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« Reply #10 on: 19 February 2011, 08:43:37 »
Yeah, I noticed that about the PEN-2H when testing it.  A triple crit transferred into the CT.

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« Reply #11 on: 19 February 2011, 17:55:44 »
Great article! The base model is a good solid mech. The main issue is that it only has 2 "big" weapons. An ERRPPC and a LBX10 were a good arsenal in TRO 3055 but right now it is somewhat weak.

  This turns that mech into a bad one? Not. What this mech should face? Periphery powers and pirates. It is slow but it has more power that other Periphery produced mechs. Against pirates? A great mech, tough enough to withstand a lot of damage and with good firepower and more range. The LBX is a great weapon to deal with vehicles and VTOLs so the mech is good. It is not a game breaker, it is an in universe mech, the best for what Canopus needed.

  The variant has now a great gun. It lacks ammo and this is a issue in the Periphery. Fortunately this mech also has a good energy barrage and has a range advantage. It may be a problem if you want to close to this mech to kill it and ...oops... that LBX20 has more range than your medium lasers...

  To sum up, a good mech far away from the "top 3" of the 75 ton weight class but a good mech for Canopus.
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« Reply #12 on: 19 February 2011, 19:33:05 »
There are plenty of supporting elements to bring some additional firepower if you need it and, honestly, in testing, the firepower worked.  Not great, not high, but it works.  The whole design feels a little odd on looking at it on paper.  In the game, it hangs together very well especially with lance mates, kind of like the Albatross does.

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« Reply #13 on: 19 February 2011, 20:50:39 »
It feels like a poor man's Falconer, trading speed and firepower for increased ruggedness.  This really fills out the Canopian Mech TO&E. 
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« Reply #14 on: 20 February 2011, 14:50:17 »
It may not stand up to the cutting edge designs out there, but its a pretty good line `Mech. A standard engine makes it a little cheaper than most of the modern era, and the weaponry isn't that bad. Considering the MoC only produces one other heavy `Mech, the 75 ton Marauder, and nothing heavier, the MAF has to be ecstatic about the design.

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« Reply #15 on: 21 February 2011, 09:30:50 »
Great article! The base model is a good solid mech. The main issue is that it only has 2 "big" weapons. An ERRPPC and a LBX10 were a good arsenal in TRO 3055 but right now it is somewhat weak.

Well it's a little light, but all things considered, you make up for it in other ways. Take, for example, the beloved Falconer, as Gracus mentioned. Many players list it as one of the best 75-ton IS designs in the game. The difference in firepower? 5 points. And the Penthesilea gains crit seeking and the ruggedness of an SLE for the loss of that five points and speed. Is it as good as a Falconer? No, but it is certainly quite servicable and will keep fighting until it dies, barring Moonsword's unfortunate experience with transferring crits.
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« Reply #16 on: 21 February 2011, 09:33:52 »
The Penthesilea's armor is also 31 points heavier than a Falconer's.

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« Reply #17 on: 22 February 2011, 18:38:56 »
Well it's a little light, but all things considered, you make up for it in other ways. Take, for example, the beloved Falconer, as Gracus mentioned. Many players list it as one of the best 75-ton IS designs in the game. The difference in firepower? 5 points. And the Penthesilea gains crit seeking and the ruggedness of an SLE for the loss of that five points and speed. Is it as good as a Falconer? No, but it is certainly quite servicable and will keep fighting until it dies, barring Moonsword's unfortunate experience with transferring crits.

Sir, you are correct. The weapons are light but the mech has good armor, a standard engine and an LBX10. It is a good mech? Yes. It is a good in-universe mech? Yes, it fits the needs of MoC perfectly.

My criticism is that is not the best mech and it is far away from the top 5 in the heavy category. It is a 4/6/4 mover. The Gallowglass will eat it. The Guillotine 8D will eat it.  Penetrators, Orions, Catapults, Warhammer, Marauders, Falconers can eat it. Why? It has light weapons. This changes the fact that it is a good mech? No, it is just not the best IMHO. But against Periphery States and pirates it is the best MoC can deploy. It just does the right job. 
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« Reply #18 on: 23 February 2011, 01:22:37 »
Sir, you are correct. The weapons are light but the mech has good armor, a standard engine and an LBX10. It is a good mech? Yes. It is a good in-universe mech? Yes, it fits the needs of MoC perfectly.

My criticism is that is not the best mech and it is far away from the top 5 in the heavy category. It is a 4/6/4 mover. The Gallowglass will eat it. The Guillotine 8D will eat it.  Penetrators, Orions, Catapults, Warhammer, Marauders, Falconers can eat it. Why? It has light weapons. This changes the fact that it is a good mech? No, it is just not the best IMHO. But against Periphery States and pirates it is the best MoC can deploy. It just does the right job.

Huh, when an ERPPC/LBX-10 with a backup ML battery became "light"...

Trying to figure this out...

The base Gallowglas is 4/6/3, same movement profile. Weapons are ERPPC, twin LLs, twin MPLs, and a SL. That's 26 at long-medium ranges, matched by the 25 of the Pen's ERPPC + LBX + LPPC. Closer in, Gallowglas adds 15 from the MPLs and the SL, matched by the triple ERMLs, plus those outtrange the MPLs and SLs.

GLT-8D is 4/6/4. It can outjump the Pen, but not by much. That TC gives an edge, and it'll need it at range. The Pen has 4 hexes on the -8D courtesy of the ERPPC, and has 25 pts at range to the twin ERLL's 16. Closer in, that streak-6 and quad ERMLs are nastier than the triple ERMLs. Short of the -8D showing up in the Pen's back pocket to start, the -8D has to weather heavier firepower on its way in.

Penetrators? Again, that 4/6/4 isn't that overwhelming against 4/6/3. Same range problem as the Guilotine, without the edge of the TC. Sextuple MPLs will ruin anyone's day, but it needs to get in range first.

Yeah, the -2M Orion is a beast.

As for Catapults, which one? The -15 racks IIRC can match the Pen's ranged armament in throw weight on average, but lacks the concentrated power of ERPPC/LBX-10, and closer in has only MLs or ERMLs (LRM min ranges ftl) to the Pen's entire arsenal. The HPPC one...it is slower than the Pen and is outranged by that ERPPC. Wouldn't want to be a Pen driver that got in under 18 hexes though.

Falconers? Not much out there that can top that. Also paying through the nose for that XL engine...

Warhammers and Marauders? Yeah, some nasty new (and older) configs out there, waayy too many to go into a side by side comparison though.

*scratches head*

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« Reply #19 on: 23 February 2011, 08:57:42 »
What the pants man said.

Is the Penthesilea the best mech for the job? No. Is it the most effective heavy mech in general? No. But it certainly accomplishes what it set out to do and accomplishes it better than the majority of designs out there. The Gallowglas has long been a favorite of IS players in terms of effectiveness on the battlefield, and the Penthesilea has fairly equivalent combat parameters, plus better crit seeking. The Falconer has it dead to rights, but it also has a decent number of Clan heavies DTR as well. Penetrator? Yeah it'd tear it up, but again, that's comparing the Penthi with what's considered one of arguably the two most effective mechs in TRO: 3055, along with the aforementioned Falconer. The Penthi stands up pretty well as a whole against its contemporary designs, while still having enough flavor and fluff to be interesting. It's a great mech. Now if only it wasn't so gosh darn ugly.
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« Reply #20 on: 23 February 2011, 09:50:11 »
If you're going to complain about 75 ton aesthetics, let's go to the real "winner" of that dubious prize, shall we?

Look at the Dragon Fire.  Now back to the Penthesilea.  Now back to the Dragon Fire.  Now back to the Penthesilea.  It's on a horse looking better now, isn't it?
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« Reply #21 on: 23 February 2011, 11:10:05 »
I'll never look at the Old Spice commercials the same, ever again.

I guess I'm one of the weird ones that has the opinion the Falconer is really overrated and a fairly poor ride.

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« Reply #22 on: 23 February 2011, 11:18:59 »
I'll never look at the Old Spice commercials the same, ever again.

I almost went "the 'Mech is now diamonds!" but decided on the horse thing instead.

I guess I'm one of the weird ones that has the opinion the Falconer is really overrated and a fairly poor ride.

The armor level on the Falconer has never really done much to win my affection but personally, I think it's an effective enough beast.

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« Reply #23 on: 23 February 2011, 12:57:25 »
Well it's hard to tell with the Dragon Fire on first glance, because Duane Loose decided to play a little too much with perspective again. Take a look at the original art for the Black lanner? Horrendously ugly because you're staring right at it's mechanized crotch. All other art and models have made it look pretty good. The Dragon Fire's certainly uglier, but with a good persepctive I still say the Penthi is fuglier.

I guess I'm one of the weird ones that has the opinion the Falconer is really overrated and a fairly poor ride.

It lack on armor and has an XLE, which are both big downsides, but it's a 5/8/5 75 ton mech with two very potent long range hole punchers and a very effective close range battery of everyone's favorite weapon, the Medium Laser. Is it the best mech ever? No, but it sure as hell can deliver a beatdown on most mechs before they even get into range, which they liekly won't since it's mobility let's it essentially let's it choose where the battle will be taking place.
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« Reply #24 on: 23 February 2011, 13:47:45 »
The armor level on the Falconer has never really done much to win my affection but personally, I think it's an effective enough beast.

You can get a little improvement by adding LFF armor.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #25 on: 23 February 2011, 14:14:49 »
You can get a little improvement by adding LFF armor.

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #26 on: 23 February 2011, 14:21:17 »
Yup, LFF finally gives the Falconer back what it lost in the Fractional Accounting rules change.

As to the Penthesilea, yes, its incredibly ugly. And it sure doesn't help that the stats obviously came after the art (are those AMS on the shoulders?), but its nonetheless a pretty solid Heavy, especially considering who builds it. Its at least better than the Taurian hightech wonder Brahma...


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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #27 on: 23 February 2011, 14:41:57 »
There's no AMS on either variant.  I don't know what those things are but they're not attached to any equipment actually on the 'Mech.  As far as the Brahma goes, I think the Taurians got the impression that new technology is good for its own sake, not when it's applied well.  On the other hand, they did manage to avoid LAW's perennial issues making double heat sinks...

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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #28 on: 23 February 2011, 15:28:20 »
Not just the mystery AMS, but the two non-existant laser ports on the right arm attached to the AC. I could see them being vent ports maybe, but I'd like to prefer to think that these little art issues are related to this being an until-now unseen varient. Hell, they had the art of the Goshawk II represent a varient. No reason they won't do something similar with a later-developed Penthi varient.
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Re: 'Mech of the Week: PEN-2* Penthesilea
« Reply #29 on: 23 February 2011, 16:31:42 »
It lack on armor and has an XLE, which are both big downsides, but it's a 5/8/5 75 ton mech with two very potent long range hole punchers and a very effective close range battery of everyone's favorite weapon, the Medium Laser. Is it the best mech ever? No, but it sure as hell can deliver a beatdown on most mechs before they even get into range, which they liekly won't since it's mobility let's it essentially let's it choose where the battle will be taking place.

I'm weird. There's a whole bunch of other mediums and heavies I'd take first. :) Then again, a higher number of designs in that particular TRO are not well liked by me. It's not an armor issue, it just has no style to it. Look another XL FedCom ER peeper/Gauss design! Yawn.