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Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« on: 16 July 2012, 16:33:46 »
Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle

Designed by Canopus Industries Alpha on Canopus at the behest of the Magestrix in a bid to make money on the Successor States' woes during the Third Succession War, the Pike is a reliable unit and has been since its introduction in 2987.  Deployed to smaller HPG garrisons around the Periphery, the design first attracted the Robes' attention with a win against Helmar Valasek's pirate forces “near Santander V”.     So while sales weren't as much as the Magestrix had hoped due to the shortage of JumpShips, it has made a solid go of it and was picked up in large numbers by ComStar during the initial public revelation of the ComGuards, frequently using five of them in a Level I with a Demolisher attached to deal with anything the rest of the formation had already softened up.  Since Pikes that are backing off a bit while a Demolisher is charging in to say “Hi there!” with the sort of violent panache only a class 20 autocannon can pull off are in the perfect range to pump AC/2s into weakened armor, that's a nasty decision on ComStar's part and one I somehow doubt the Word has forgotten about.

The Pike, despite the name, is definitely a combat vehicle, a 60 ton tracked vehicle that you wouldn't be completely out of line mistaking for a tank.  Powered by a Jones 180 ICE with something intriguing called “EmissionKill” - probably a stealth measure, although it has no game impact - the Pike can manage 54 kph at flank speed.  Their armor isn't bad at all considering the design's role, 9 tons of StarSlab/9 arranged 33/25/25/36 - it's not the Manticore, no, but it's quite sufficient.  The turret holds the real star of the show, a trio of ZeusBolt Autocannon 2s fed by a prodigious five tons of ammunition.  Let's do some math for a second here.  At 45 rounds per ton, you've got 225 rounds of ammo.  That's 75 rounds of fire per autocannon.  Since flak and AC/2s go together like peanut butter and jelly, it'd be a real shame not to toss some in there, wouldn't it?  Two tons of it would give you thirty rounds of fire and still a full ton of AC/2 ammo per gun.  A pair of Marklin Mini Missile SRM 2s are fixed forward to cover the AC/2s' range minimums.  Since they've got about as much firepower as the main guns do, that's not a bad choice at all.

Two variants, both unofficial but in service with the Canopians at a minimum and possibly as one-offs in pretty much anyone's forces, surfaced during the Succession Wars.  The first one trades the AC/2s for a pair of AC/5s with seven tons of ammo - increasing damage by 2/3 at the cost of a significant chunk of your range.  At the time, considering the ICE, it's arguably not a bad idea, but if you want firepower, go for the LRM model.  Two LRM 20s replace the autocannons but because of the size of the launchers, you only have three tons of ammunition.  Since ammo endurance is one of the Pike's usual strong points, this requires a change in thinking; handle it like a properly turreted Rhino or Sturmfeur with less armor and you should be okay.

Exactly why the Clans built their own, I don't know, but they did.  This isn't a simple refit, either - with the Clans' integral CASE and a fusion engine, it's a serious bit of work.  The best way to describe this one is “half a Bane” - five Ultra/2s in the turret fed by four tons of ammunition.  I'd have gone with LB 2-Xs for cluster ammo (for the accuracy more than anything else) but overall, not too shabby as long as you watch your temptation to go to Ultra mode.  An ERSL replaced the SRMs; considering the gain in damage from the increased AC mounts alone, without considering potential Ultra hits, that's not a bad trade.  The Clanners even managed to boost the armor to 45/26/26/40 while saving a half-ton by using ferro-fibrous.  I might have gone for an ERML instead of a half-ton of the armor but by and large, for the role of sniping at a distance, this one is a very solid contender.

The RAC “Assault Pike” went the other direction.  9.5 tons of ferro-fibrous plate provides a 42/30/28/40 armor spread, with a single small laser on the front bumper.  The real firepower is provided by three RAC/2s fed by four tons of ammo.  I'm... not really that impressed, honestly, although the storm of 2 point hits should keep people on their toes.

Other than the Assault Pike, which is a mid-range slugger in its time period, Pikes are all well-advised to find a spot with a clear arc of fire, good defenses, and start poking someone and wearing them down.  Better yet, have a meaner, nastier friend getting in their face while you do it.  Flak is sort of a round for all seasons here - one to two tons in either variant will make very certain aircraft keep their distance.  In later years, either of the standard AC Pike variants will do well with precision ammo.  Both of them have extraordinarily deep bins and can easily pack a substantial load of precision rounds while still carrying some flak rounds to keep airborne or aerospace units on their toes.  There's not really a lot of tricks here.

If you want to counter a Pike, you've got two options.  Either have the speed to get close (and hope there's not enough of them that massed fire brings you down) or have something that has the standoff range and firepower to punch back hard enough to break through their armor.  They're not bricks, sure, but they're not the one-hit wonder that is the SRM carrier, either.  Artillery might be useful to roust them out of a particularly annoying hiding spot.  Airpower can certainly do the same thing but you want to be careful - all of them have the range to be relatively effective AA platforms, with the classic autocannon variants potentially bringing flak to bear as well.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: 16 July 2012, 17:33:58 »
Great article Moonsword.  Question: Where did the Pike (Clan) come from, which record sheet book?
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #2 on: 16 July 2012, 18:25:48 »
Great article Moonsword.  Question: Where did the Pike (Clan) come from, which record sheet book?

RS: Upgrades, IIRC.  Have to think the Clans found one out in the Periph or in ComGuard service and decided to do their own.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #3 on: 16 July 2012, 20:20:54 »
RS: Upgrades, IIRC.  Have to think the Clans found one out in the Periph or in ComGuard service and decided to do their own.

Has is ever been seen again? I was trying find it, but didn't see in the PDF Record Sheets FanPro/CGL came out with.  Maybe in RS:3067u...
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #4 on: 16 July 2012, 20:39:25 »
Powered by a Jones 180 ICE with something intriguing called “EmissionKill” -

i remain of the opinion that the EmissionKill whatever it is is most likely a means of filtering/masking the waste produced by the engine to make them more environment friendly/ less prone to giving away their recent presence. given the rather lackluster states that most worlds tended to be in by the succession wars getting properly underway, i can see the Magestrix insisting the engines be equipped with a way of mitigating any further pollution on their worlds.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #5 on: 16 July 2012, 21:23:17 »
As a fan of the Jagermech, I have to say I love the Pike too. Their insane amount of ammo for the AC/2s makes them perfect for use with special ammo that becomes available in later time periods without modification. And as you mention flak ammo is great for keeping flies from buzzing around.

It is a great vehicle from the 3026 TRO that doesn't need any upgrades to make it viable in the Jihad time period or after.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #6 on: 16 July 2012, 23:00:01 »
Because of the absolutely gigantic ammo bins on the Pike, I like to roll out with a ton of Flak, two tons of Precision, and two tons of Armor-Piercing.  When you've actually got the tonnage to mount Precision in bulk, there's not very much of a downside, and peppering targets with enough AP ammo will eventually get some decent crits.

I prefer to roll out with two of the AC/2 models, backed up by a pair of Partisans with one ton of flak, two tons of Precision, and one ton of AP to form a wicked fire support lance.  No matter what era, upwards of a dozen AC/2s will ruin anything that flies' day, and a dozen crit checks a turn will start to add up fast.

Not to mention the Pike is dirt-cheap in every way except tonnage.  For the same BV as, say, a Catapult CPLT-C1, you can get more than two Pikes, or a single Pike with an ace crew (1/2), and more like five of them if going by C-Bills cost.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #7 on: 16 July 2012, 23:45:03 »
Big fan of the Pike.  Its one of a handful of identifiable Canopian designs, but can turn up anywhere, which means its my go to AA vehicle.  Like Scotty says, no reason not to load up on alternate ammo, but I usually only pack a single ton of AP.   My pet merc unit fields a company of Pikes as part of their ADA battalion, useful against ASFs, conventional fighters or VTOLs. 

I even have room for the Clan Pike in my CHH forces.  Its a tank for all seasons. 

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« Reply #8 on: 16 July 2012, 23:51:13 »
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #9 on: 16 July 2012, 23:56:40 »
Where does the Assault Pike come from?  I've nevr heard of it before, and I must say it sounds intriguing.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #10 on: 17 July 2012, 00:01:17 »
Also RS: Upgrades, IIRC.  RAC Pike is fun but gets pillboxed easy since its in LB-10 range.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #11 on: 17 July 2012, 03:30:27 »
Has is ever been seen again? I was trying find it, but didn't see in the PDF Record Sheets FanPro/CGL came out with.  Maybe in RS:3067u...

3058uIS now has both the Assault Pike and the Clan Pike.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #12 on: 17 July 2012, 14:44:37 »
I always recommend Pike Cs for taking down armoured brick tanks. People always underestimate them, forgetting the 18 hex medium range on the UAC2s.  The only problem is that five UACs notably increase the chances of a jam.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #13 on: 17 July 2012, 15:33:55 »
I always recommend Pike Cs for taking down armoured brick tanks. People always underestimate them, forgetting the 18 hex medium range on the UAC2s.  The only problem is that five UACs notably increase the chances of a jam.

Well, not on a per-barrel basis as such. The problem is more than once one or two of your UACs do jam...you don't really have anything else to fall back on, which is what I'd usually do after shrugging for a moment and getting ready to dump the ammo as soon as I feel safe doing so. Your firepower simply gets a little more anemic each time it happens until you're (hypothetically, at least) reduced to only your ERSL.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #14 on: 17 July 2012, 15:36:04 »
Uh, just don't double-tap?  Odds are you already outrange everything on the field, no reason to take that out of the equation, and a second hit for a grand total of two points extra isn't worth losing the longest ranged gun on the field.
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« Reply #15 on: 17 July 2012, 15:55:20 »
Uh, just don't double-tap?  Odds are you already outrange everything on the field, no reason to take that out of the equation, and a second hit for a grand total of two points extra isn't worth losing the longest ranged gun on the field.

Can't speak for others, but while I certainly don't double-tap all the time (there are plenty of times it'd likely just be a waste), if I never did so I wouldn't need to bring Ultras in the first place. Compared to their LB-X counterparts their ability to crank out some extra damage on command is all they have going for them, after all.

And while the Clan Pike may be good for little more than filling the air with little 2-point long-range critseekers, certainly there's nothing wrong with wanting to add a few more of those to one's volley every so often. ;)

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #16 on: 17 July 2012, 16:21:31 »
i remain of the opinion that the EmissionKill whatever it is is most likely a means of filtering/masking the waste produced by the engine to make them more environment friendly/ less prone to giving away their recent presence. given the rather lackluster states that most worlds tended to be in by the succession wars getting properly underway, i can see the Magestrix insisting the engines be equipped with a way of mitigating any further pollution on their worlds.

This is a possibility. Considering Canopus has been experiencing odd weather due to ecological damage from strip mining and pollution, designing a "Clean" vehicle that wouldn't add to that might have been on people's minds. Even though they were developing them to export them, I'm sure some of the production was remaining behind. Cleaning up the emissions of so few vehicles might not have made much difference, but I can see the people of the Magistracy liking this small concession.

Or it could've been a stealth issue. I guess we'll know if someone ever writes some fluff for it :)

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #17 on: 17 July 2012, 16:30:30 »
Ever since TW came out with the increased chances of motive crits on vees, the Pike has become a true terror to other tanks. The near-inexhaustible ammo bins mean that it can afford to fire at anything in range, provided the target # is not 13+.

I've never used the clan version - mainly because I hadn't heard of it, since we don't have those RSs - but given that it is armed with UAC/2's instead of LB2-X's leads me to believe that it was not the Ravens. Given that the Pike is available sphere-wide AND given that a pair of Pike C's is in fact the equivalent of a Bane, we should look at the biggest Bane users in the IS to see the likeliest suspect for the origin of the "variant": the Jade Falcons.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #18 on: 17 July 2012, 16:37:56 »
Possible. The Falcons are extremely loathe to use any kind of combat vehicle until very recently, but I could see them using the Pike C as a semi-mobile AA emplacement. They'd be strictly defensive tanks, practically parked in fieldworks and never called forth for offensive or even mobile defensive operations. I'd imagine the orders would go along these lines:

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Since the tanks would then be used like fixed emplacements, the Falcons could continue to pretend they don't field vehicles in battle, and thus are still better than everyone else.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #19 on: 17 July 2012, 16:52:59 »
Still want a LB-2X variant....
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #20 on: 17 July 2012, 18:13:04 »
Given that the Pike is available sphere-wide AND given that a pair of Pike C's is in fact the equivalent of a Bane, we should look at the biggest Bane users in the IS to see the likeliest suspect for the origin of the "variant": the Jade Falcons.

Makes sense given that the Falcons have turned to updating IS 'Mech designs for their use - the Battlemaster IIC and Thunderbolt IIC, to be specific. Might be worth picking up a pair!

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #21 on: 18 July 2012, 05:30:14 »
The Falcons had Battlemaster and Thunderbolt factories to work from.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #22 on: 18 July 2012, 06:43:55 »
At some point, I do hope we find out what was involved in the creation of the Clan Pike. I'm sure there's a story there.

I always figured it was the basis for the DA era Aesir AA tank and its battery of LBX 2s.
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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #23 on: 18 July 2012, 08:57:48 »
Still want a LB-2X variant....
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« Reply #24 on: 18 July 2012, 13:23:45 »
I don't know about the Falcons.

If the Pike C had been something simple like the old Clan refits from the Twycross Scenario pack where it was a simple weapons swap, I could buy the Falcons refitting those that they've captured, either from the FedCom, or from ComStar during Scorpion. But this seems to be a completely new/separate design rather than a simple refit. Of course, no one else makes that much of a better choice...

The RAC Pike is also sort of a oddity. The MUL gives it to the TC, MoC, and the FedSuns during the Jihad. Is it a surprisingly advanced Magistracy production back in 3064 that they sold to the Taurians and then the FedSuns captured during the Jihad? Is it a FedSuns massive refit that the Magistracy and the Taurians decided to copy? I think the answer could be rather interesting.

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #25 on: 19 July 2012, 00:32:56 »
Maybe licensed to the FS by the MOC?  CC ally or not, I could see it happening.  Or maybe an FS company offered plans for a modernised version, sort of an apology for Victor getting Danai killed.  The unsolvable questions are how we know its an RS: U design. ;)

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« Reply #26 on: 19 July 2012, 23:57:41 »
The unsolvable questions are how we know its an RS: U design. ;)
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« Reply #27 on: 20 July 2012, 06:00:32 »
He's saying that all the confusion/questions are the hallmark of a RS:Upgrades design, not questioning that its a RS:U design.

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« Reply #28 on: 26 July 2012, 14:00:16 »
The Pike, despite the name,

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Re: Vehicle of the Week: Pike Support Vehicle
« Reply #29 on: 26 July 2012, 14:42:07 »
Why do you say this?
No matter what it says, it's still built on Combat Vehicle, and not Support vehicle, rules. Pretty obvious, hmm?
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