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Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« on: 07 November 2012, 11:13:44 »
Janos Marik - huh? Really?

Yes, really. Being largely ignored and forgotten is part of what makes him arguably the most tragic leader in BattleTech.

Janos Marik began as an idealistic man with the best of intentions and great promise. He could have been one of the greatest statesmen in BattleTech. In fact, this article was inspired by the Top Ten Greatest Statesmen from Fiction thread.

However, despite all his efforts, toil and hardship he died a failure, broken and embittered, at the hands of his own family, leaving no legacy to speak of and unloved, alternatively ignored, hated or ridiculed by those who outlived him.

Born in 2957 as the eldest son of Captain-General Stephan Marik, Janos Ricard Thaddeus Marik grew up to inherit the reign over (and responsibility for) the Free Worlds League. He was considered a bright young man, and had a close relationship with his equally bright younger brother Anton (they were described as "inseparable" as children).

Against their father's wishes Janos and later Anton joined the elite Princefield Academy of Oriente instead of the New Olympia training centers where Marik scions traditionally went. Graduating top of his class at the age of 21, Janos was given a Rifleman by his estanged father, which may or may not have been an intentional insult given the design's poor reputation.

In 2988, a ring of conspirators tried to recruit Janos with the intention of putting him at the head of a military junta and depose his father. Janos denounced the conspirators, though their highest circles reached deep into SAFE and could not be uncovered; in an unconnected coup in Andurien around the same time, Duchess Morgaine Humphries was killed, which poised her niece and successor Catherine strongly against House Marik.

Upon his father's death in 2991, Janos succeeded him at the age of 33 after giving a long eulogy. By this time, Janos had experienced first-hand the shortcomings and internal problems of the FWLM, having served in the Free Worlds Guard; he had also witnessed the political wrangling that had stymied his father's political and military efforts to the detriment of the League.
He immediately began to unify the realm, and was initially very successful in mending old wounds, rooting out corruption, and generally considerably improving domestic affairs in the League.

In 2994 he suffered a first personal setback when his wife Hilda died.

To test the reinvigorated FWLM, Janos launched the Tenth Battle of Hesperus II in 2997. The attack was repulsed (by Katrina Steiner no less, then a Colonel commanding the 15th Lyran Guard), but the FWLM displayed a marked improvement in overall performance.

In 2998 Janos married Ana Steward, tying the Steward duchy to his House and thereby counterbalancing discontent in parliament with the improved but still unsuccessful military campaign.

The tenth and eleventh battle of Hesperus II had forced the Lyrans on the defensive and given the initiative to House Marik (in part due to Archon Alessandro Steiner's poor strategy). However, things took a downward swing when General Willis Crawford - another Princefield graduate and close friend of Anton Marik - botched a critical attack on Solaris VII in or shortly after 3002, suffering grievous casualties to the troops under his comand.
Because of the immense political pressure on Janos as Captain-General, Crawford was court-martialed and shot for his failure in 3003 despite Anton Marik's pleas, creating a rift between the Marik brothers where the realities of politics had already strained their relationship. Anton remained idealistic, while Janos found that he had to make compromises more often than not to get anywhere with parliament, sacrificing much of his early idealism in the process.

By 3007, the Lyrans were on the initiative again. Following the defense of Rochelle, a mercenary uprising gave birth to a peculiar unit that would seemingly exist solely to be a thorn in the side of Janos Marik: Snord's Irregulars, who, once in Lyran employ, went on to heap insult upon injury on Janos again and again over the years in a rather one-sided personal vendetta.

In 3012, Janos largely withdrew from the public following the death of his second wife and two of his children.

Besides the FWLM parliament, Janos also had outside enemies - in particular, the ever-scheming Maximilian Liao tried to neuter the FWL as a military threat, while ComStar and House Davion independently of each other sought to destabilize the FWL from within (ComStar expressly to balance the C-Bill vs. the M-Bill at a favourable rate, House Davion to keep a competing House busy).
Liao and ComStar both manipulated Anton Marik to openly turn against Janos. Contacted again by the aforementioned two and by conspirators of 2988 and genuinely believing that he could do a much better job as Captain-General, Anton rose up against his brother in 3014.

The Marik Civil War was a very messy affair that ended with Anton Marik's death at the hands of his own mercenaries.
The loss of his beloved brother, who had taken up arms in a civil war against him, broke Janos' spirit. Following the civil war he was a broken, bitter, cynical and somewhat paranoid man. His idealism had evaporated, and his rule subsequently was more one of administration of the FWL than of true leadership.

In 3021, Janos secretly designated his son Thomas - then serving with ComStar - his heir, because all his other children were dead or otherwise out of the question.

Probably the worst and most humiliating pill Janos had to swallow came in 3024, when Takashi Kurita brokered a loose alliance between his Draconis Combine, the FWL, and Maximilian Liao's Capellan Confederation. Janos Marik balked at the thought of cooperating with the instigator of Anton's civil war (he apparently never learned of ComStar's deep involvement), but eventually came to realize that the impending formation of the Federated Commonwealth left him no other choice than to make a pact with this particular devil.

In the Fourth Succession War, Janos got to watch how the Capellan Confederation was torn apart. The Marik realm was least touched by the war overall, but still somehow managed to lose territory to a capellan breakaway state, the Tikonov Free Republic. Given the FWL's military strength at the time, this setback can be described as nothing but embarrassing.

Immediately following the war, the Duchy of Andurien finally seceded and prosecuted their own war with the near-dead Confederation, only to unexpectedly find themselves on the losing side. The Andurien secession made the Captain-General look like a fool and was a serious blow to the unity of the League. Janos suffered a stroke from which he would not recover for years; in the meantime, his son Thomas reigned ably in his place.
Janos had just recovered and re-taken the Captain-Generalcy in 3035 when he was killed along with his son Duggan in a bomb blast (planted by his nephew Duncan).

Janos Marik lived to see the death of two wives and seven of his children, as well as his brother (in a civil war no less).
Despite incredible personal hardship and his best efforts, and genuine care for the League as his only motivation (instead of wealth or personal glory), he left no legacy to speak of.
Of the "classic" five House Lords, he was the least colorful and also the first to die (though Max Liao had succumbed to madness by 3030, and had his realm ruled by Romano Liao until he died in 3036).

After his death, Cranston Snord committed a final insult in 3037: Making a mockery of FWL state security, he and Jake Walmar travelled across the border, broke into Janos' tomb, and drank a toast to the late Janos from a bottle of liquor that they had robbed from the Marik in a past battle on Nestor (between 3012 and 3015).

The Free Worlds League Janos had inherited was an economical and military powerhouse but lacked unity; by the time of his death, the infighting had only grown worse, a civil war had ravaged the entire League and the Duchy of Andurien had seceded.

His successor as Captain-General, Duncan Marik, was not only a murderer; he was also a mediocre leader whose attempts to forcefully reclaim Andurien put the League through another terrible war that cost Duncan's life.

Thomas, Janos' designated heir, became the Word of Blake's mysterious "Master" and went down as one of the worst mass murderers in history for the Jihad he initiated, easily named besides the likes of Hitler, Amaris and Jinjiro Kurita. Thomas' machinations also ultimately proved the death blow for the weakened League.

There is no evident reason for Janos' failure.
It's not like he did nothing wrong; but while he may have committed some mistakes, these were typically minor in nature. But the bad results of those errors were frequently blown out of proportion.
His efforts stymied at every corner by a corrupt military, a hostile parliament, conspirators, traitors and even ComStar, Janos didn't fail by himself. He was ground into the dust by forces outside his control, some of which he wasn't even aware of. He had the greatest potential of all, but he was straddled by his realm instead of straddling it.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #1 on: 07 November 2012, 12:05:25 »
I see you neglect possibly the greatest question regarding Janos Marik: What was the deal with the Marik crest tattoo on his forehead?

But, seriously..this is a great article. I really feel that, pretty much, every House except Steiner and Davion had a lot more
going for them, but, since the heroes were almost always Steiners or Davions, or Both, they got jipped in all the storytelling.
Happens when you exist only to be "The Bad Guys" to the Arthurian Ideal fallowing Davions and Wealthy, Capitalistsic
Steiners(in a world that was the future of the 1980's, you can imagine why people painted the Combine and Confederation
as bad guys, what with their Japanese and Chinese influenced cultures, respectively, considering what the world was like
at the time). Hanse was like a Ronald Reagan-like figure, Katrina was a great leader, while Melissa was the Gwenevere ideal, more or less. Takahashi was a caricature of "The evil japanese warlord" and Max Liao was a combination of the evil Mandarin and Chairman Mao.

Frankly, though, I have never understood why the FWL got so screwed over, with civil wars, seccessions, assasinations, etc.  When you look at poor Janos, he was...what? What was he? Frankly, he always seemed to be the one Successor Lord who didn't fit, the most developed as a character, the one who most seemed like a leader of men and a national leader. Why couldn't Janos have been the "Hero" of the early days of BattleTech? Even if they didn't change a thing, he would have made a great tragic hero.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #2 on: 07 November 2012, 12:31:47 »
Frankly, though, I have never understood why the FWL got so screwed over, with civil wars, seccessions, assasinations, etc.  When you look at poor Janos, he was...what? What was he? Frankly, he always seemed to be the one Successor Lord who didn't fit, the most developed as a character, the one who most seemed like a leader of men and a national leader. Why couldn't Janos have been the "Hero" of the early days of BattleTech? Even if they didn't change a thing, he would have made a great tragic hero.

Janos does help to establish the gray area in BT politics on a national level.  The Steiners and Davions were clearly meant to be the frontrunners while the Kuritas and Liaos were meant to be disliked.  Janos Marik on the other hand was just sort of... trying?  That's ok to me.  BT is better for having failures for leaders who are just not able to get things done, rather than a uniform portrayal of incompetance being linked to "bad guys".  I also believe that Janos and the early FWL storyline was meant to illustrate just how feudal the Inner Sphere really was.  The FWL still had some trappings of democracy, which just so happened to also be the source of many of their early frustrations.

That gray area is actually what made BT as a setting for me.  I was glad that the writers of House Marik: The Free Worlds League had taken the time to actually put some thought into a 3rd party state at a time when the storyline was going to draw a sharp line between the FedCom and everyone else.  The FWL and Janos's career by extension were just complicated.  Not awesome, not evil, just complicated.  I was enthralled largely because of Janos Marik not being able to do what Hanse Davion did with a smirking grin.

Of Janos's positive legacies, it's hard to defend.  His rulership brought the League to one of it's lowest points since the Comstar War.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #3 on: 07 November 2012, 12:40:48 »
Has anyone ever done a "Nation of the Week"? It could be sort of interesting. :)

IMHO I think the old writers just didn't really know what to do with the FWL. They probably wanted a "fractured" nation to go along with the others (all who have their gimmick), but then couldn't come up with anything to do with them other than "have another civil war!". Obviously things changed post 3050!

Probably not the "official" idea, but my thinking is that ComStar made the FWL their primary enemy very early in their existence. Which explains most of the FWL's bad luck, obviously. It also to some degree explains how the FedSuns could sail up so quickly during the 3000's - C* just overlooked them!

The reasoning behind this is the C* plan the let the states fight it out until they're so weak that C* could take over. The FS, CC and DC all had leadership and a culture that made it easy to get them to fight (C* probably didn't have to do anything most of the time!). The LC also started shooting quite easy, as long as their big corporations weren't hurt (obviously, all this is mostly post-SW2 - before then everybody was happy blowing up everything!).

But the FWL had a strong democratic tradition, and democracies usually don't start major wars since the population tend to vote war-mongers out of office when they find out how much they have to pay! But they also tend to fight very well on the defensive, meaning they're not very attractive targets if you plan to start a war, either. Which means that a FWL going about its business uninterfered could have lead to peace breaking out all over when the other nations get tired and see the FWL doing well!

Which was most definitely not in ComStar's interest! :D

So of course they would pull out all the stops to screw up poor Janos when they saw he was doing well - he was a direct threat to their plans!

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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #4 on: 07 November 2012, 13:07:48 »
But the FWL had a strong democratic tradition, and democracies usually don't start major wars since the population tend to vote war-mongers out of office when they find out how much they have to pay! But they also tend to fight very well on the defensive, meaning they're not very attractive targets if you plan to start a war, either. Which means that a FWL going about its business uninterfered could have lead to peace breaking out all over when the other nations get tired and see the FWL doing well!

While attempting to avoid violating forum rules considering RL politics, i'll disagree about the relationship between democracies and foreign military adventurism.  In the case of BT, it was always the Lyrans who were the one reluctant to declare war.  The League, even in Janos Marik's reign he launched the 10th and 11th invasions of Herperus II.  The Captain-General is also not an elected official.  Where the League was usually reluctant was to commit to war.  The Home Defense Act was used time and again to rob the Captain-General of troops in a totally legal, passive aggressive form of defiance.

And you know... there are times when it could seem justified.  That's what I liked about the League.  Andurien could be counted on to never willingly contribute forces and could stand up in Parliament to snub the Captain-General without rebuke.  You just couldn't do that in other states.  Unfortunately, the message being sent by the storyline was that of centralized powers without legal forms of descent being the ones who were going to win or lose by the quality of their leaders.

As to why Comstar singled out the FWL so often, it was easy.  SAFE was a joke.  The political structure of the League was so fragile that it only took casual observation of the political divisions to manipulate them.  Also, HMHB makes it clear that one of the League's strengths relative to the other states was the mobility of it's forces.  If the economy of the FWL was allowed to recover and ranks of the FWLM filled out, the FWLN actually had more dropship and jumpship manufacturing to call on than anyone.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #5 on: 07 November 2012, 13:43:44 »
It started well before that.  I'd judge it began with the very first C* Interdiction during the Second Succession War.  Where they intentionally went after the FWL, manipulated, passed false communications, influenced, etc.  Then when the FWL caught them and responded violently Interdicted them to let the other gang up.

Personally I also think that's where ComStar would have gone down in flames as a victim of early SW mass WMD use.  With the HPG becoming LosTech, until replaced by the rediscovered Black Box around 3000.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #6 on: 07 November 2012, 13:57:15 »
 
While attempting to avoid violating forum rules considering RL politics, i'll disagree about the relationship between democracies and foreign military adventurism.  In the case of BT, it was always the Lyrans who were the one reluctant to declare war. 
That is blatantly false.
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« Reply #7 on: 07 November 2012, 13:58:29 »
  That is blatantly false.

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« Reply #8 on: 07 November 2012, 14:01:58 »
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« Reply #9 on: 07 November 2012, 14:09:28 »
 Here is an old article on this matter

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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #10 on: 07 November 2012, 14:18:31 »
It started well before that.  I'd judge it began with the very first C* Interdiction during the Second Succession War.  Where they intentionally went after the FWL, manipulated, passed false communications, influenced, etc.  Then when the FWL caught them and responded violently Interdicted them to let the other gang up.

Personally I also think that's where ComStar would have gone down in flames as a victim of early SW mass WMD use.  With the HPG becoming LosTech, until replaced by the rediscovered Black Box around 3000.

My reading: Conrad Toyama wanted to collapse the Free Worlds League because he viewed it as the most vulnerable to collapse of the Successor States.  He originally planned to use Jeanette Marik as his pawn to do that, but her death in the obliteration of the Oriente HPG station changed his plans.  Toyama was likely hoping that the FWL would collapse entirely before Charles Marik swallowed his pride and begged Toyama to end the Interdiction.  That may be why Toyama required Charles Marik to come to Terra and apologize in person: By the rules of diplomatic protocol, for a head of state to travel to the enemy's capital to sue for peace is a clear admission of defeat.  Toyama might have imposed such a condition hoping Marik would refuse it.  And if Marik accepted, Toyama's hand was still strengthened overall.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #11 on: 07 November 2012, 14:35:08 »
 Toyama's original plan was to make the Free Worlds League become a dependant state to Comstar, but he was suprised that Charles overdid his no. This gave him a mechanism to try to force it to submit. Still I would argue that Parliament caused more damage to the Free Worlds League Militia in that part of the war than Comstar could have hoped to.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #12 on: 07 November 2012, 15:17:04 »
Yeah Parliament caused more damage there, ComStar was still rather limited and didn't have the secret forces it would in the 31st century.  In fact C* at that time was actually very vulnerable, which had to factor in to the decision-making process.  They went after the most easily destabilized House in order to give an appearance of strength to prevent any of the Houses from just smashing them and picking up the pieces.
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« Reply #13 on: 07 November 2012, 15:29:55 »
 It makes me wonder if Parliament had sided with the Captain-General how much better the performance of the Free Worlds League Militia would have been. If the League had actually made gains during the blackout on the Capellan front we would be seeing a different Inner Sphere in many ways.

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« Reply #14 on: 07 November 2012, 18:27:55 »
It makes me wonder if Parliament had sided with the Captain-General how much better the performance of the Free Worlds League Militia would have been. If the League had actually made gains during the blackout on the Capellan front we would be seeing a different Inner Sphere in many ways.

Indeed.  To come back to Janos Marik though, there were some critical differences between what was done to him by Comstar and what had befallen his ancestor:

First was the nature of the Primus he faced: Julian Tiepolo was essentially moderate by Comstar's lights, and not the fanatic that Conrad Toyama was.  He was acting more to further instability and especially (per The Spider and the Wolf) to keep the M-Bill from gaining too much against the C-Bill, and not trying trying to outright collapse or take over a House (neither Tiepolo nor Maximilian Liao expected Anton Marik to win).  Ultimately, Tiepolo ended up with the more fanatical parts of Comstar's leadership as his enemies, Vassar Kreistoffer first and later Myndo Waterley.

Secondly, as has been noted by Frabby, Janos was within a few years forced to ally with Maximilian Liao, an act that must have been morale poison for the League, no matter how essential it might have been.  Maximilian Liao did suffer for his schemes against the Federated Suns, but not for his role in instigating Anton's Revolt.  The fact that the Free Worlds League had to let the man who had stabbed the League in the side get away with it must have been a severe humiliation, made worse by the fact that the alliance only brought the League defeat.  Janos Marik would have ultimately done better had he accepted Katrina Steiner's peace proposal instead.  National pride and his large list of enemies meant he could not do that, which compounds his tragedy.

Lastly there is the fact that unlike the aftermath of the "Comstar War", where the FWL was able to rally and push back its overextended enemies, the defeat of Anton's Revolt saw no such real recovery.  Quite the contrary, the Free World's League remained on a downward spiral that was only arrested when Janos Marik's stroke took him out of commission.  It was not until his son Thomas, acting as Janos' regent, passed emergency laws in response to the Andurian Secession that things really improved for the League government.

An interesting "what if?" would be to ask what would have happened had Janos Marik's stroke killed him and left Thomas the Captain Generalcy outright.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #15 on: 07 November 2012, 18:40:51 »
I see you neglect possibly the greatest question regarding Janos Marik: What was the deal with the Marik crest tattoo on his forehead?
It actually fits the picture when you consider it a sigil of his dedication to the position of Captain-General. Which seems to be about as jinxed as the Defense Against the Dark Arts professorship in Harry Potter, only that Captain-Generalcy is ruining whatever worthy individual steps up to the thankless task.
Even Thomas Halas, arguably the most competent and successful "Marik" ever, paid a steep price: He first lost his individuality to become Thomas Marik's double, and when he began to part ways with the unhinged sect leader he paid with the lives of his children.

And Thomas Marik himself... he was quite possibly brainwashed manipulated by ComStar from the day he joined the order, then became a surprisingly independent, caring and competent interim leader 3030-3035 only to be almost killed in the bombing that killed his father and turn into the BT equivalent of a cyberzombie, then descend into the hell of religious extremism and righteousness. I like to think he avoided the "curse" to a degree by substituting Thomas Halas and later, by becoming vastly more evil himself.

No, I wouldn't want Janos Marik's job.

Frankly, though, I have never understood why the FWL got so screwed over, with civil wars, seccessions, assasinations, etc.  When you look at poor Janos, he was...what? What was he? Frankly, he always seemed to be the one Successor Lord who didn't fit, the most developed as a character, the one who most seemed like a leader of men and a national leader. Why couldn't Janos have been the "Hero" of the early days of BattleTech? Even if they didn't change a thing, he would have made a great tragic hero.
My impression from day one in BattleTech was that the FWL was sort of a filler state. You had the Americans (Davion), Europeans (Steiner), Honorable Upstanding Enemy (Kurita), Villainous Backstabbing Cowardly Enemy (Liao)... and... er, umm... yeah, that lower left region on the map, it's... balkanized! Yeah, that's it! It's not really a House, it's a chaotic region of loosely allied ministates, itself a miniature Inner Sphere. They don't get anything done except backstabbing each other, so we don't have to bother detailing them any more beyond this broad overview. Now let's get the document out to the printers.

The FWL as such had zero screen time in the (classic) novel series until Ideal War. They're the badlands, here be dragons. In The Price of Glory and the Victor Milan novels the chaotic FWL provides a background setting but doesn't really do anything as FWL (the antagonists are pretty much all acting on their own accord, and Col. Langsdorff, the only real FWL representative, eventually pulls out). The Duchy of Andurien got way more screen time that the FWL.

Ideal War is a great book to understand how early the FWL had failed and how the WoB happened to become what they became; but it's also not a book about the FWL but rather a book about the WoB cancer that killed the FWL in my opinion. The FWL was the neglected cellar from which the monster came that surprised everyone: the Jihad.

(A few german-only novels take a closer look at the FWL, particularly Früchte voll Bitterkeit and In Ungnade [BC: Fall from Grace], but these were only published in 2006 and 2007, respectively.)
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #16 on: 07 November 2012, 18:52:42 »
As for the ComStar War Toyama initially seemed to be less specifically about targeting the League because it was weaker, rather just drag it into the Second Succession War as with the rest of Great Houses as part Operation Divine Intervention. Its only when Charles swallows the bait so completely he realises just how far he can play the Jeannete/Charles relationship that he starts to get ideas about pushing it further.

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« Reply #17 on: 08 November 2012, 02:00:15 »
Ah, Janos Marik.  The most successful failure in the Inner Sphere (and perhaps BattleTech as a whole).  Everything he did led to disaster and ruin, and yet he did absolutely nothing wrong.  An excellent character, destroyed by circumstances outside of his control.  Probably the closest thing BattleTech has to a "true" tragic hero (VSD doesn't count.  Too much going for him for decades upon decades).

EDIT:  I would totally be interested in seeing a "Faction of the Month" article.  Once per week sounds a little... rushed.  That, and you'd run out of factions before a year had passed.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #18 on: 08 November 2012, 12:28:52 »
Good writeup. What I am missing is a summary of his children, as in how many and their names.

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« Reply #19 on: 08 November 2012, 12:48:15 »
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EDIT:  I would totally be interested in seeing a "Faction of the Month" article.  Once per week sounds a little... rushed.  That, and you'd run out of factions before a year had passed.

A "Faction of the Month xxxx time period," would be a smarter move. So many factions (esp the Great Houses) have such long histories that it might beggar the mind of who writes it. Picking a time period and hitting all the players at once with a concerted effort would yield the best fruit, imho.

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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #20 on: 08 November 2012, 13:27:46 »
Well, honestly, if you're giving the writer a whole month, not delving into the smallest minutiae, and possibly have more than one writer?

The biggest challenge for something like that would be keeping it in article depth.  There's not really a need for an exhaustive description of everything.  Just general history, current/past rulers, description of spatial regions/capitals/rulers, military strength, notable campaigns and other characters, distinctive units.  That's still a tall order, but I don't think it'd be out of the question.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #21 on: 08 November 2012, 13:54:35 »
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #22 on: 08 November 2012, 19:30:07 »
Ladies and gentlemen, the topic of this thread is Janos Marik.  Let's not compound his tragedy by derailing the discussion of his life and legacy into a completely unrelated subject.  If you want to discuss starting a Faction of the Whenever series, please start a separate discussion thread for the matter, don't continue it in here.  [copper]

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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #23 on: 09 November 2012, 09:52:29 »
Good writeup. What I am missing is a summary of his children, as in how many and their names.

According to Sarna...

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With his first wife Hilda Lauber he had Martin, Gerald, Therese, Duggan, Cartwright, Faith and Thomas.

With his second wife Ana Stewart he had Paul, Kristen and Janos.

I'm taking this with a grain of salt, and will be poring over some books to confirm.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #24 on: 10 November 2012, 13:07:25 »
I am sorry for the Old man because of his attempts to prepare something lasting - and then always came some peril from unexpected direction ...
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #25 on: 12 November 2012, 03:05:24 »
I always saw Janos Marik as a man who was a good leader in almost everything but in the end, good simply did not cut it when it came to the politics and war of his time period.

Also....'Death by a thousand cuts' seems somewhat appropriate to his situation since almost every bad thing that happened to him was something that most strong statesman could handle. All of that bad stuff happening over a lifetime however...that was simply to much for anyone to bear.

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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #26 on: 18 November 2012, 12:21:05 »
It should be noted that when the Snords broke into his tomb and drink a toast, it wasn't to dishonor the man, it was to honor him.  In the manner of an aging man paying homage to his old adversary, he noted that while yes, Janos's forces did steal the contents of their "museum" on Clinton, he didn't destroy any of it, and I believe much of it was retrieved later. The rivalry between Cranson Snord and Janos Marik was, at one time, as strong as that of Jaime Wolf vs Kurita, except perhaps a bit less driven by rage than the Wolf-Kurita feud.

There was a tiny bit of literature, a sidebar in the new House Marik Handbook, page 50. It depicts Cranson Snord and others breaking into the tomb. He laid a wreath of purple flowers on Janos's tomb and drank a toast to him with some extremely old and expensive booze that Cranson noted belonged in the museum.

This bit of dialogue adds a nice bit of context and a unique perspective into Janos.


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Rochelle. It was a good-natured game. Enjoyable
aggravation, if you will.”’
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Later he adds, "Farewell, Janos, you old reprobate.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #27 on: 18 November 2012, 17:08:25 »
Thanks for that update. Wasn't aware of that sidebar, which makes the whole Snord/Marik issue much less acerbic than earlier sources suggested (and to be honest, that quote you gave seems way out of character given what really happened between them).
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #28 on: 18 November 2012, 18:17:12 »
Janos Marik has been a awesome individual to me ever since I read about his "Care Package" he sent to Max Liao when his nation was being gobbled up by the Federated Suns in 3028.

Its so awesome it needs to be listed:
Toilet Paper 22 Tons
Soap 1.2 Tons
Dress Uniform Gloves (white,left) 150
Tires (reconditioned) 2,000
Food (12-31-3015) 96 Tons
Entrenching Tools 100
Amuunition (.22 cal air gun pellets) 15 Tons
Medical Supplies (Prozac, hand directly to Chancellor) 1 case
Morale Package (Hunky Hanse and Bellissima Mellissa Dolls) 1 crate

The man had style. But honestly I think history gives him a bad rap. He always struck me as a politician more interested in events within his borders than what was happening without. It took a major event to get him to look outside his borders to do so.
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Re: Character of the Week: Janos Marik
« Reply #29 on: 18 November 2012, 18:51:44 »
Yeah, the "aid" he sent to Max Liao in honor of the Koncord of Kapteyn was pure gold, and probably Janos' best moment in decades of crap. I was going to include it in the writeup but embarrassingly couldn't find it.
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