Register Register

Author Topic: 500pt BF Kurita vs Lyran (Lots and Lots of pics) (Brisbane, QLD 2012/12/2)  (Read 6413 times)

Cambo

  • Battletech Volunteer
  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 186
So Son of Kerenski and myself decided to continue our current obsession with BF and have another game.  This time it was battalion vs (almost) battalion - there were some math errors due to force construction procrastination on my part.  So instead of 36 vs. 36 it was 36 Kuritan vs 32 Lyran mechs, both sides trying to target 500pts... (though there is some confusion on that point... more on this later)

First off a few glamor shots to keep you reading ;)....







Yes, that's Lt. Dan's union dropship and more of his buildings on Hexon 100mm terrain... it certainly is pretty  8).

I've uploaded more than the images shown but you can see them all here on my Flickr Account.


So anyways... Back to the AAR...
It was straight raid...  Both sides trying to capture HQ's on the other side of the board (the Hexon terrain works out at about the same size as a regular map sheet but it covers an entire table).  Primary HQ's (the HPG station and the Dropship) were worth 300pts, and the secondary HQ's worth 150pts.  The mountain in the middle was un passable/jumpable to make things interesting.  To capture an HQ a unit had to remain in that hex for 2 turns where friendly forces outnumbered hostiles.



Coming to the board the forces looked like this:
Code: [Select]
500pt QS

Attacker


Kurita
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Command                        Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Awesome AWS-9Q                80    1,875                               4/5 1,875 
Battlemaster BLR-5M            85    1,766                               4/5 1,766 
Naginata NG-C3C                95    2,131                               4/5 2,131 
Atlas AS7-Dr                  100    2,101                               4/5 2,101 
                                                                            7,873

FireSupport                    Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Panther PNT-16K                35    988                                  4/5 988   
Panther PNT-16K                35    988                                  4/5 988   
Crusader CRD-4BR              65    1,407                               4/5 1,407 
Archer ARC-2Rb                70    1,705                               4/5 1,705 
                                                                            5,088

Ground Speed                  Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Locust LCT-1Vb                20    642                                  4/5 642   
Locust LCT-1Vb                20    642                                  4/5 642   
Mongoose MON-86                25    887                                  4/5 887   
Hermes HER-1S                  30    716                                  4/5 716   
                                                                            2,887

HeadCappers                    Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Catapult CPLT-K4              65    1,880                               4/5 2,529 
Catapult CPLT-K4              65    1,880                               4/5 2,529 
Warhammer WHM-8K              70    1,748                               4/5 2,397 
Gunslinger GUN-2ERD            85    2,423                               4/5 3,072 
                                                                            10,528

HeavyHitters                  Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Hunchback HBK-5SS              50    1,342                               4/5 1,342 
Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb            65    1,613                               4/5 1,613 
Grasshopper GHR-6K            70    1,597                               4/5 1,597 
Orion ON1-MA                  75    1,501                               4/5 1,501 
                                                                            6,053

Jumpers                        Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Spider SDR-7KC                30    732                                  4/5 732   
Jenner JR7-C2                  35    769                                  4/5 769   
Ostscout OTT-11J              35    908                                  4/5 908   
Venom SDR-9KC                  35    939                                  4/5 939   
                                                                            3,348

Quickstrike                    Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Kintaro KTO-K                  55    1,571                               3/4 2,168 
Shadow Hawk SHD-9D            55    1,313                               3/4 1,812 
Wolverine WVR-7K              55    1,331                               3/4 1,837 
Black Hawk-KU BHKU-O Prime    60    1,731                               3/4 2,389 
                                                                            8,205

Skirmisher                    Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Javelin JVN-11A "Fire Javelin" 30    1,073                               4/5 1,073 
Firestarter FS9-O B            45    1,070                               4/5 1,070 
Phoenix Hawk PXH-3D            45    1,315                               4/5 1,315 
Scorpion SCP-10M              55    1,458                               4/5 1,458 
                                                                            4,916

Trebs                          Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Trebuchet TBT-9K              50    1,329                               4/5 1,978 
Trebuchet TBT-9K              50    1,329                               4/5 1,978 
Grand Dragon DRG-9KC          60    1,147                               4/5 1,796 
Bombardier BMB-14K            65    1,249                               4/5 1,898 
                                                                            7,651

                                                                            56,549
Defender


Lyran
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unit                          Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
                                                                            0

A1                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Zeus-X ZEU-9WD                80    1,716                               4/5 1,716 
Sunder SD1-O Prime            90    1,747                               4/5 1,747 
Sunder SD1-O Prime            90    1,747                               4/5 1,747 
Banshee BNC-5S                95    2,065                               4/5 2,065 
                                                                            7,275

a2                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Awesome AWS-9Q                80    1,875                               2/3 3,413 
Longbow LGB-14C                85    1,421                               4/5 1,421 
Viking VKG-2F                  90    2,079                               2/3 3,784 
King Crab KGC-005              100    2,264                               4/5 2,264 
                                                                            10,881

h1                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Black Hawk-KU BHKU-O E        60    1,982                               4/5 1,982 
Ostsol OTL-5D                  60    1,333                               4/5 1,333 
Barghest BGS-2T                70    1,794                               4/5 1,794 
Cataphract CTF-3L              70    1,545                               4/5 1,545 
                                                                            6,654

jA1                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Akuma AKU-1XJ                  90    2,203                               4/5 2,203 
Pillager PLG-3Z                100    2,697                               4/5 2,697 
Pillager PLG-3Z                100    2,697                               4/5 2,697 
Xanthos XNT-4O                100    2,625                               3/4 3,623 
                                                                            11,220

l1                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Wasp WSP-7MAF                  20    488                                  4/5 488   
Spider SDR-8K                  30    1,007                               4/5 1,007 
Spider SDR-8M                  30    621                                  4/5 621   
Ostscout OTT-7J                35    596                                  4/5 596   
                                                                            2,712

l2                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Nexus NXS1-A                  25    643                                  4/5 643   
Falcon FLC-5P                  30    945                                  4/5 945   
Jenner JR7-K                  35    889                                  4/5 889   
Jenner JR7-K                  35    889                                  4/5 889   
                                                                            3,366

m1                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Clint CLNT-2-3T                40    770                                  4/5 770   
Firestarter FS9-O H            45    1,119                               4/5 1,119 
Phoenix Hawk PXH-1            45    1,041                               4/5 1,041 
Shadow Hawk SHD-2D2            55    1,049                               4/5 1,049 
                                                                            3,979

m2                            Tons  BV    Mechwarrior                    G/P Adj BV
Centurion CN9-D                50    1,130                               4/5 1,130 
Legionnaire LGN-2XU            50    1,128                               4/5 1,128 
Trebuchet TBT-5K              50    996                                  4/5 996   
Wolverine WVR-6R              55    1,101                               4/5 1,101 
                                                                            4,355

                                                                            50,442


Point totals in BF work out slightly differently and we're trying to figure out if C3 multiplier applies here as well (in which case our totals were off but it may be a BFB issue)

Kuritan: 508pt (488 base)
notes: Quickstrike Lance upgraded to 3 base skill, Trebs and Headcappers lances both running active C3 networks

Lyrans: 500pt (459 base)
notes: Awesome and Viking in the A2 lance upgraded to 2 base skill, Xanthos in the Jumping Assault (jA1) lance upgraded to base skill 3

Here we run into the first of the house rules Kerenski and myself have developed (and stolen) over several games:
  • No more than 2 of the exact same type of Element in a Unit.
This keeps things interesting, instead of a straight lance of Atlases.
  • We don't bother with atomic initiative.  We use swinging initiative to keep people(me) from getting too frustrated
All at once initiative leads to Wolfpack-ing/clustering where the side that loses initiative clusters together, and the Initiative winner manoeuvres so that all it's forces can range a single target at short or medium and all the other units are at medium/long.  We use swinging initiative because I havent' been able to roll decently all month, and it really hurts when one side is boot stomping the other due to a run on initiative.
  • No More than 2 turns under fire while in the row of hexes along the edge of the board
Backshots are important in BF (and make the lights very dangerous), putting your back to the edge of the map is cheap..  You can do it for 1 turn but no more than that.

To keep things speeding along we decided to move a company (3 lances) at a time during initiatives.

Ok on to Turn 1:
Kuritans Win Init.
Both forces deploy immediately behind their HQ's, and advance up the board.  Both sides deploy in response to one another in a 3 lance x 3 lance initiative order, and it immediately becomes clear that the Assaults are lining up to pound on each other.






While the lights race towards each other on the other side of the map.



Turn 2:
Kurita Wins Init Again.
Both sides continue racing up the board.


The Kuritan Lights break away from the Assaults and charge into extreme range of Lyran Assaults that have taken up firing positions behind partial cover of a hill.  The Oscout gets taken out by a lucky shot by the Viking at long range, and scares the Jumping lance away from the Assault wall of iron.



Meanwhile the fast moving lights are back to back on opposite sides of the mountain like a scene from an action movie shootout while their slower friends chase up into firing positions.

But no shots make a difference on this side of the board.

Turn 3:
Lyrans Win Init.

The Assaults continue their charge a max of 3 hexes,


After a bit of discussion it's decided to add a new house rule.
  • 2 friendly units per hex, unless attempting to/defending against capture.
The wall of Command Lance, HeadHunter C3 Lance, and HeavyHitters lance all in one hex and bearing down all at once, convince us to add a new rule to stop an unstoppable avalanche of mechs slamming though a defences.  Normally we'd stop this with Artillery (see our previous game) but it was decided that this would slow the game to much and instead we decided on a stacking limit.


But the real action happens when everyone realizes there's a Mexican standoff going off on the eastern side of the board.  The mediums and heavy's charge into the fray but are too far back to make much difference, except for the Lyran Blackhawk Ku lance (h1) that misjudges the movement profile of the locusts and ends up getting back shot for their mistake taking out a Barghest.  All the other units scramble to cover/apply fire.  My dice rolling skills prove themselves once again, and the lights get off scott free for all the damage they do the lyran heavy.



Turn 4:
Lyrans Win Init.



THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT

The Kuritan Assaults charge forward, and the Lyran Assaults move forward to try and put the damage on them where the Viking and Pillager can do most damage.


The Lyrans do nothing more than scratch paint as the dice gods continue to punish the Lyrans, in return the Kuritans peel half the armor off of the Awesome in the Longbow lance.

The wounded Lyran blackhawk ku lance retreats, seeing the grudge match coming as the two forces previously separated by a mountain decide to go toe to toe.  The sneaky locust lance rushes forward looking for backshots, but you only get to surprise an enemy like that once.
The Lyran lights make a break for it, as they're the fastest units on the board 7 and 8J respectively, peeling  off the light Kuritans in the process.



The Kuritans bring the Grand Dragon lance C3 to bear and tries to shoot the Shadow hawk lance, not realizing the Firestarter in the lance has ECM removing the +1 bonus.  The Shadow Hawk and Wolverine lances make sure to kill the C3 master Grand Dragon inspite of the dice gods, but do so at the expense of the Clint and the ShadowHawk. Also falling in the carnage is the Blackhawk ku and half a Kintaro in the Kuritan Wolverine lance.

Turn 5:
Kuritans Win Init.

The Kuritans catch the Lyrans by surprise as the Assault Cluster turns about face.  While the Sneaky Locust lance copies the Lyran lights and makes a bid for a capture after tricking the Lyran Blackhawk Ku lance to advance to support the Shadowhawk lance.  The retreating Shadowhawk lance is persued by the Grand Dragon-less Grand Dragon lance, and the Kuritan Wolverine lance.



The Kuritan's get revenge for their losses last turn, making a point of killing the Firestarter, destroying the lance, while the water and partial cover mean that the Kuritan Wolverine lance escapes retribution.


Turn 6:
Lyrans Win Init

The Lyran lights make a capture attempt on the secondary Kuritan HQ, but the Kuritan lights have caught up., mean while the Kuritan locust moves into position for a capture attempt on the Lyran HPG Dish.



The Lyran Assaults scramble to move into position for shots on the locust while the Lyran Blackhawk Ku gets surrounded by Kuritan Mediums.



But the Lucky Locust Lance escapes all the fire.

Meanwhile back at the Kuritan HQ it's a party and it appears everybody is invited.



Lots of Fire is exchanged, but the Lyrans come off worse for wear and the Kuritans thwart a capture attempt.
The Wasp lance gets pummelled  loosing 2 units while the Kuritans get off lightly.


Turn 7:
Kuritans Win Init.



Realizing they can't hold the Kuritan HQ the Jenner lance and the Wolverine lance move to the edge of the board to limit back shots, while the wasp lance tries to start another capture attempt.



But the Real story is at the other end, where the Lyrans find themselves on the wrong side of a defensive line around their Primary HQ.



Everyone fires, but the dice gods decide they like the Locust lance better.....

And time is called.... (not that it matters the primary objective had been met as well....)

So time to tally the butcher's bill:
In the end
Lyrans Killed: 92 pts.
Grand Dragon
Bombardier
Kintaro
Blackhawk Ku
Oscout
Locust
Mongoose

Kuritans killed: 141pts +300 (objective)
Blackhawk Ku
Ostsol
Barghest
Nexus
Jenner
Clint
Firestarter
Phoenix Hawk
Shadow Hawk
Spider
Spider
Wasp
In the end it was the loss of the high points units in the blackhawk ku lance that really shifted the pts balance plus some real crap luck on the dice for the Lyran side.


markhall

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 1399
  • "The Button's Stuck!"
Wow. That is a beautiful Battlefield.

Those buildings are great looking.

Where you using a mix of Battleforce and Quickstrike for the game?

Ouchies

  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 416
  • Rightly good batchall my good sport. Rightly good.
It is very pretty.  O0

Lyran Archer

  • Lieutenant
  • *
  • Posts: 884
  • pre-3050: ARC-2R / post-3050: ARC-5W
Wow! Beautiful battlefield!
LCAF German Expeditionary Militia Kampfgruppe Panzerfaust: 1 Overlord class DropShip, 1 Fortress class DropShip, 2 AeroSpace Fighters, 4 BattleMech Companies, 1 Vehicle Company, 1 Infantry Battalion
Motto: STAND (behind a hill) AND DELIVER (indirectly via spotter)!

Cambo

  • Battletech Volunteer
  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 186
Here's rhe (not so quick) quick follow up to my mentioning of the fact that the Point total doesn't seem to fit.

<TLDR Version>BFB can't handle C3/C3i networks</TLDR>

After Hand cranking Son of Kerenski's numbers I get the following point total for his force
Code: [Select]
Unit Name Lance BV G C3 AdjBV LanceBV*0.05 BV/100 Rounded(bv/100) Skill Mod Final Rounded Final
Atlas AS7-Dr Command 2101 4 No (C3S,) 2,101 21.01 21 1 21 21
Awesome AWS-9Q Command 1875 4 N/A 1,875 18.75 19 1 19 19
Battlemaster BLR-5M Command 1766 4 N/A 1,766 17.66 18 1 18 18
Naginata NG-C3C Command 2131 4 No (C3S,) 2,131 21.31 21 1 21 21
Archer ARC-2Rb FireSupport 1705 4 N/A 1,705 17.05 17 1 17 17
Crusader CRD-4BR FireSupport 1407 4 N/A 1,407 14.07 14 1 14 14
Panther PNT-16K FireSupport 988 4 N/A 988 9.88 10 1 10 10
Panther PNT-16K FireSupport 988 4 N/A 988 9.88 10 1 10 10
Hermes HER-1S Ground Speed 716 4 N/A 716 7.16 7 1 7 7
Locust LCT-1Vb Ground Speed 642 4 N/A 642 6.42 6 1 6 6
Locust LCT-1Vb Ground Speed 642 4 N/A 642 6.42 6 1 6 6
Mongoose MON-86 Ground Speed 887 4 N/A 887 8.87 9 1 9 9
Catapult CPLT-K4 HeadCappers 1880 4 Yes (C3S,) 2,529 396.55 22.7655 23 1 23 23
Catapult CPLT-K4 HeadCappers 1880 4 Yes (C3S,) 2,529 396.55 22.7655 23 1 23 23
Gunslinger GUN-2ERD HeadCappers 2423 4 Yes (C3M) 3,072 396.55 28.1955 28 1 28 28
Warhammer WHM-8K HeadCappers 1748 4 Yes (C3S,) 2,397 396.55 21.4455 21 1 21 21
Grasshopper GHR-6K HeavyHitters 1597 4 No (C3S,) 1,597 15.97 16 1 16 16
Hunchback HBK-5SS HeavyHitters 1342 4 N/A 1,342 13.42 13 1 13 13
Orion ON1-MA HeavyHitters 1501 4 N/A 1,501 15.01 15 1 15 15
Thunderbolt TDR-5Sb HeavyHitters 1613 4 N/A 1,613 16.13 16 1 16 16
Jenner JR7-C2 Jumpers 769 4 No (C3S,) 769 7.69 8 1 8 8
Ostscout OTT-11J Jumpers 908 4 N/A 908 9.08 9 1 9 9
Spider SDR-7KC Jumpers 732 4 No (C3S,) 732 7.32 7 1 7 7
Venom SDR-9KC Jumpers 939 4 No (C3S,) 939 9.39 9 1 9 9
Black Hawk-KU BHKU-O Prime Quickstrike 1731 3 N/A 2,389 17.31 17 1.38 23.46 23
Kintaro KTO-K Quickstrike 1571 3 No (C3S,) 2,168 15.71 16 1.38 22.08 22
Shadow Hawk SHD-9D Quickstrike 1313 3 No (C3S,) 1,812 13.13 13 1.38 17.94 18
Wolverine WVR-7K Quickstrike 1331 3 N/A 1,837 13.31 13 1.38 17.94 18
Firestarter FS9-O B Skirmisher 1070 4 No (C3S,) 1,070 10.7 11 1 11 11
Javelin JVN-11A "Fire Javelin" Skirmisher 1073 4 N/A 1,073 10.73 11 1 11 11
Phoenix Hawk PXH-3D Skirmisher 1315 4 N/A 1,315 13.15 13 1 13 13
Scorpion SCP-10M Skirmisher 1458 4 N/A 1,458 14.58 15 1 15 15
Bombardier BMB-14K Trebs 1249 4 Yes (C3S,) 1,898 252.7 15.017 15 1 15 15
Grand Dragon DRG-9KC Trebs 1147 4 Yes (C3M,) 1,796 252.7 13.997 14 1 14 14
Trebuchet TBT-9K Trebs 1329 4 Yes (C3S,) 1,978 252.7 15.817 16 1 16 16
Trebuchet TBT-9K Trebs 1329 4 Yes (C3S,) 1,978 252.7 15.817 16 1 16 16


That C3 multiplier will get you every time  :P
My hand cranked totals (as there's not really a great example of how to do this in the books, it took 3 books for me to figure out via page 314 of TM) is 538.  From my work though in excel it appears that BFB can't handle having more than 1 c3 networks per force.  And it doesn't even try to do c3 on the BF view.

Time to file a bug I guess.

Son of Kerenski

  • Catalyst Demo Team
  • Warrant Officer
  • *
  • Posts: 420
  • Everything is AWESOME.
Nice write up Cam, as always.

I should point out that my force was designed from a standpoint of fielding exactly every single mech of the 36 on the HEXON board as the hexes would have been big enough to support each lance and an enemy lance. But logistically it would have slowed the game down a bit more to have to move all those minis and time was precious.

One thing we also had in effect in regards to capturing HQ or Objectives was that you had to have double the oppositions units to be considered as "capturing" and you had to have it for 2 straight turns or it resets to zero and you have to start over again.

Not sure how others play this but it seemed like that seemed fair and it makes you devote a lot of assets if you want to ensure you capture something.

The Lyrans do nothing more than scratch paint as the dice gods continue to punish the Lyrans, in return the Kuritans peel half the armor off of the Awesome in the Longbow lance.

Im pretty sure you slagged off half the armor from my Gunslinger in that same exchange. It was a big part of why we both backed off a bit after that.

So time to tally the butcher's bill:
In the end
Lyrans Killed: 92 pts.
Grand Dragon
Bombardier
Kintaro
Blackhawk Ku
Oscout
Locust
Mongoose

Kuritans killed: 141pts +300 (objective)
Blackhawk Ku
Ostsol
Barghest
Nexus
Jenner
Clint
Firestarter
Phoenix Hawk
Shadow Hawk
Spider
Spider
Wasp
In the end it was the loss of the high points units in the blackhawk ku lance that really shifted the pts balance plus some real crap luck on the dice for the Lyran side.

With my incorrect point values (and the fact that I promised you could have double what I was over), you ended up with an extra 76 victory points (I was 538 according to your sums from a recent email & I trust your math better than mine, so 38x2=76)

Which bought your total to 170. Only the capture of your HQ gave really gave me enough points to claim a victory of sorts.

I do like BF & I do like our little additions to the game, I think they make it more balanced & therefore more fun.

kuttsinister7

  • Master Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 379
  • I send recon, then artillery, then main forces...
Beautiful Game Gents! Great Detail in the write ups!
If you can't reach for the stars, then call the Doom Stars. We will fix that for you...


stevothedivo

  • Corporal
  • *
  • Posts: 95
    • Books of War Publishing
Love the reporting style, likely to adopt some format of it in my own
Emulation being the highest form of flattery and all...I know I say that a lot but can't come with all the good ideas myself - some I "borrow" from others!
I want that dropship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How much fiat currency for it (sorry if you wrote it in the report, was concentrating on the photos mostly)?!?!
Want more reports, please keep up the great work
 O0


Dogs lick their balls because they can. Period.
Come join in the fun at BattleTech Downunder, help grow the community and line up some games!

Cambo

  • Battletech Volunteer
  • Sergeant
  • *
  • Posts: 186
Thanks for the props... but good artists copy, great artists steal... I'm a good artist ;)

The main influences in my AAR's are

Scrap Yard Armory's AARs
which unfortuneatly seems to be dormant lately, he got in to Strategic stuff and seems to have gone dark.
Ouchies Bat Reps which are amazing, and he _used_ to post here at least.
I'm sure there are others I missed as well

Thing is, these turn by turn, AAR's are great, they're just a lot of work to do, also the photo stuff kinda slows the game down, and it aggro'd my opponents so I've been lax on it lately.  I really wish there was a faster way to do that stuff...

 

Register