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Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« on: 03 April 2011, 08:00:40 »
TFN-3* Typhoon - 90t, TRO3026R
Originally posted 4 Jan. 2006.

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  Best known as the chosen ride of Robert Steiner, who became Archon of the Lyran Commonwealth after deposing ‘the Mystic Usurper’ Margaret Olsen (whom his uncle apparently married precisely because she was barking mad! ::) ), the TFN-3 Typhoon would seem to lend a lot of its design philosophy to later Steiner craft like the Chippewa (or derive it therefrom, being that the ‘lost’ designs of ’26R and ’57R were created some twenty years after the originals of 3025 ::)).  Described in the HSSB as an introverted, brooding, lonely young man who suffered from a rare degenerative disease that denied him the full use of his legs, Robert was nonetheless so formidable behind the controls of his Typhoon-A and carved such a swathe through opposing Marik ASF units that his fellow pilots had his bird painted in a vivid livery and given the nose-art slogan Eagles cry at his approach, a gesture so touching that he couldn’t bring himself to have reversed.
  Frankly, given the stats we are shown in TRO3026R, Robert Steiner must have been one hell of a pilot to survive flying the Typhoon into combat - and Adolf Galland reincarnate to have as much success as he did!  :o  Even if the opposition’s aircraft were equally lacklustre, he must have used up a lifetime’s worth of luck during his relatively brief combat-aviation career.
  The above notwithstanding, the Lyran Commonwealth must have seen something in the TFN-3, being that it entered LyrCom service in 2366 and production only formally ended in 2485, when Lockheed/CBM began building the Thunderbird in its place.

  (It is important to note that TRO3026R was released several months before Combat Equipment, which introduced the rule that pre-Star League combat systems had to spend some 20% of their mass on ‘old equipment’, denoting that the components and techniques used in construction were not as compact nor as mass-efficient as their ‘modern’ counterparts.  As such, the less-than-overwhelming stats given to the TFN-3 in that publication may show the craft in a better light than it deserves!  :o )
  (Of course, these rules have in turn been superseded by the ‘Primitive Fighter’ rules in Jihad Secrets, which are more refined than the Combat Equipment arrangement.  Presumably earlier, yet-to-be-seen marks of the Typhoon were built with such ‘Primitive’ equipment, and the TFN-3 series is among the first to use all-up ‘Age of War’ gear.  :D)

  Even in the thirty-first century few heavy starfighters are racehorses, and the twenty-fourth-century, 90-ton Typhoon is no exception to that rule at 5/8; the near-obligatory five tons of fuel meant that ‘bingo’ times were pretty close to the statistical mean for ASFs, but rather bizarrely, its eight-point-five tons of standard armour (45/34/23) actually offer slightly heavier protection than would be ‘enjoyed’ by the Chippewa some three centuries later!  :o  (Nonetheless, the Tiffy is immune to ML TACs only on its nose.  :'()
  The Typhoon’s arsenal seems to be where most of the mass was spent - though not especially efficiently.  Twenty-six (26) single heat-sinks are mounted, supporting an array of weaponry that will provoke a Shrek-like “Hold the ’phone!” from many: an LRM-15 with sixteen salvoes is fitted in the nose, while each wing houses a pair of LLs (sound familiar? :P) and a particle-projection cannon.
  Now, for long-to-medium range engagements, the Tiffy’s arsenal is pretty decent: centre-lining a target and giving it both particle-cannons and the LRM rack leaves you one under your maximum heat-dissipation capability and lays a very decent amount of throw-weight on the target.  Unfortunately, when it comes to close quarters or Strafing, things are less fun, as you can only fire one wing’s worth of your ordnance at a time while remaining heat-neutral; adding in the LRM rack would spike your scale to +5 and cost you a Random Movement check, and anything more is simply out of the question in anything other than a Strafing attack in a completely uncontested sky where you can take a turn to cool off befcore trying it again.  Now, clobbering the other guy with ‘only’ a PPC and two large lasers is actually pretty good hitting power (witness the Stingray), and alpha-striking is not a tactic I like to advocate... but when your arsenal is about the only advantage you have over lighter, faster enemy craft, you need to make maximum use of it, smashing the other guy out of the fight in one or two salvoes before he can turn the tables on you, and the Tiffy simply doesn’t have the sinks to use its firepower to the fullest extent.  Again, stop me if this sounds familiar.  >:(
  On the other hand, the Typhoon’s heavy throw-weight does offer nasty, nasty options in the attack role, as a full squadron can generate a pair of 6-Capital PPC bays, a 5-Capital LRM bay, and a pair of 10-Capital LL bays, though once again heat will play a significant role in what you fire: you get both PPC bays and the LRMs, or a PPC bay and an LL bay.

  Unless one wishes to play a historical campaign set before the foundation of the Star League, the chances of flying or facing a Typhoon are virtually nil; estimates put the number of ‘surviving’ TFN-3s at under half a dozen, and those are found as museum pieces on static display.  Nonetheless, in an age when the Word of Blake can seemingly hit you with anything, no matter how archaic and antiquated it may have been before they got their hands on it, tactical advice is warranted.
  Much like the later Chippewa, the Typhoon should not ever get into an air-to-air furball if it can possibly help it.  Heavy escorts and the avoidance of heavy defences are vital, as per the mantras; anyone who gets a clean shot at a Typhoon is almost certain to hit something important, since its armour just can’t stand up to punishment, so the best idea is not to expose them to enemy attention in the first place.
  Defenders encountering Tiffies should send in their dogfighters or interceptors - any modern fighter which can move 6/9 or better can outmanoeuvre and beat-up on the Typhoon with ease.  This is especially true since most such types also feature heavy armour - usually heavier even than the Tiffy itself, which is a sobering indictment of the type when you consider its size.  Daggers, Sais and Samurai in particular will have ‘Stuka parties’ with the type: a single wing-pair should be able to polish off a whole squad of Tiffies in short order.  }:)  (Note that none of the TFN-3s listed possesses tail-guns of any kind.)

  TRO3026R tells us of two variants on the type, and thanks to Rick Raisley and the crew at www.heavymetalpro.com, I’ve downloaded the files on all three types.  8)  It’s interesting to note that the fluff explicitly states that all three types of Typhoon are designed with malice aforethought to look completely identical to anyone who can’t take the time to take a super-close look, or even peek under the hood - like someone engaged in a dogfight with one.  ;) [legal] }:)
  The Typhoon-A was Robert Steiner’s fighter of choice before his ascension to the throne on Tharkad, and by all accounts he made it into a holy terror; looking at it, I can see a certain degree of justification for this weighty reputation.  :o  Replacing the LL pairs in each wing with AC/10s and a ton of ammo per gun, the TFN-3A drops six heat-sinks but retains the same armour profile.  Fluffed as an attack platform which could devastate enemy ’Mechs in a single Strike pass, and capable of Strafing with both PPCs, the Tiffy-A is also slightly better as an air-to-air combatant (though using it in an AtA role would not be my own preference).  Once you get into a turning fight with another fighter, you can lay into him with one wing’s armament (an AC/10 and a PPC, mind - two ten-point clouts! :o) and the nose-mounted LRM-15 while remaining at -2 on the heat-scale... and if you get a centreline shot, tossing in the other AC/10 only blips the heat-gauge to +1.  }:)  While this fighter is still under-armoured and quite slow, it offers very, very respectable firepower, and I have this beautiful mental image of one engaging a target, its nose and wings aflame with the yellow muzzle-flashes of its missile-launcher and ACs, a volley of LRMs leaving smoke-trails on their way down-range as streams of tracer and the actinic-blue pencil-beams of particle-fire reach for that same bad-guy.... [skull]
  The Typhoon-M is a missile-heavy fire-support model, none of which are thought to have survived to the thirty-first century.  Replacing each LL pair with another LRM-15 and two tons of ammo per launcher, with the remaining two tons given over to heat-sinks (28 SHS total), the TFN-3M can lay down a punishing barrage of fire at Long and Medium range, tearing huge chunks out of its opponents.  Unfortunately, its armour remains fearfully thin.  Good for cooperative tactics - picture a few -3Ms hanging back and pelting targets with missiles while -3As move in to finish them - but not especially useful on their own.  Not great, but not horrible, either.


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  I don’t imagine too many people have used the Typhoon over much, but if you have, sound off and let us know the gory details, mmkay?  ;)


  Be advised: the attached .txt transcript(s) of previous run(s) of this thread may contain numerous reader-proposals for variants.  I’ll try to change those out for ‘sanitised’ versions of those threads when I can, but I can’t promise it’ll be soon - that’s a lot of ground to cover.  ;)

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TFN-*** Typhoon – TRO3075 Update
Originally posted 17 Sept. 2008.

  In some ways, it’s a shame that the Typhoon didn’t get a better shot in service - though it entered the LCAF’s ranks in 2461, less than a thousand ever flew before production was cancelled in favour of the heavier, better-armed, and most importantly tougher Thunderbird.  Though the Typhoon’s armour is not what you’d call spectacular, it was a respectable system for its day and in the right hands it had the firepower to put a serious hurt on any who crossed its flightpath.  (Paging future-Archon Robert Steiner....)  On the other hand, the Lyrans do have a fixation on platform size and firepower - I wouldn’t go quite so far as to call it ‘a quasi-orkish lust for More Dakka!’, but others might not be so kind :P - and once the T-bird appeared, the Typhoon didn’t have enough of either for Lyran sensibilities, despite the prestige and pride associated with the TFN series.  Of course, bureaucratic infighting between rival arms concerns, financial issues, and supply snarls had already played their part in the decision, but the appearance of the T-bird was the deathblow.

  At least, it was back in 2485, and the Typhoon spent almost six centuries as little more than an eccentric curiosity and an historical footnote after that choice was made.  Then came the Jihad, and all bets were off.  Lockheed/CBM of Gibbs are proving quite willing to do their patriotic duty during the Blaker Tantrum - especially when the Lyran government comes to them with suitcases full of kroner ::) - and their latest take on this once-extinct formula makes enthusiastic use of new technologies.  Sadly, despite the primary tactical shortcoming of the Typhoon, in designing the TFN-5H they chose to upgrade to “Even More Dakka” instead of “Well ’Ard”; planing off some armour mass (a sin a shift to FAA does not redeem in full), they changed out the LRM-15 rack for an LRM-10, upgraded with Artemis-IV that mostly covers for fewer warheads actually going down-range in a given salvo, and dropped the old Defiance 600 PPCs for the new Drac Heavies.  There’s no mention of the fate of the old large laser pairs either way (seems they started their modifications from the TFN-3 ‘baseline’ model), but unless the number of heat-sinks was drastically scaled back, the thing just doesn’t fit within its mass-budget.  Nonetheless, here’s a hypothetical take on it that might(?) just hold us until the release of the ‘full’ RS:3075.

Class/Model/Name:  Typhoon TFN-5H [speculative]
Mass:              90 tons

Equipment:                                                              Mass
Power Plant:  270 Fusion                                                14.50
Thrust:  Safe Thrust: 5
      Maximum Thrust: 8
Structural Integrity: 9                                                   .00
Total Heat Sinks:    23 Double                                          13.00
Fuel:                                                                    5.00
Cockpit & Attitude Thrusters:                                            3.00
Armor Type:  Ferro-aluminium  (134 total armor pts)                      7.50
                           Standard Scale Armor Pts
   Location:                            L / R
   Nose:                                 43
   Left/Right Wings:                  34/34
   Aft:                                  23

Weapons and Equipment      Loc        SRV    MRV    LRV    ERV  Heat    Mass
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1 LRM 10+ArtIV             Nose         8      8      8     --    4      6.00
  Ammo (LRM 10) 12         ---                                           1.00
2 Large Laser              RW           8      8     --     --   16     10.00
2 Large Laser              LW           8      8     --     --   16     10.00
1 Heavy PPC (TW)*          RW          15     15     --     --   15     10.00
1 Heavy PPC (TW)*          LW          15     15     --     --   15     10.00
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TOTALS:                                                    Heat: 66     90.00
Tons Left:                                                                .00


  ... I got nuthin’.  Maybe I’m brain-fried after the way RL’s hammered me the last couple of weeks - can I just note that attending a funeral between covering shifts for two other people really, really sucks? #P - but I can’t find a tactical niche that this platform’s supposed to fill, unless it’s ‘all-or-nothing strafer’.  Sure, that sort of beam-spam is all but certain to knock a ’Mech flat on its ass (to say nothing of the twin headcappers the -5H will lead off with), but outside of that, and maybe ripping up smaller ’Ships, the dodgy heat-curve and the new squadron rules mean that what might once have been the terror of the cap-ship crowd is... a threat to be honoured, but no longer a source of outright panic.


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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #2 on: 03 April 2011, 08:40:31 »
This is another one of those facepalm designs. Only the -3A have some redeeming features.

BTW, did you notice that the TFN-3 has been renamed TFN-2A in TRO3075?

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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #3 on: 03 April 2011, 08:52:56 »
This is another one of those facepalm designs. Only the -3A have some redeeming features.

BTW, did you notice that the TFN-3 has been renamed TFN-2A in TRO3075?
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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #4 on: 03 April 2011, 11:13:08 »
I like the Typhoon more than the Chippewa, though I can't really explain why
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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #5 on: 03 April 2011, 17:25:09 »
The Archon Robert Steiner story makes it cool. And it has even more armor...
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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #6 on: 03 April 2011, 18:39:29 »
Overgunned. Undersinked. Armor thinner than most respectable mediums. Yup. I can definitely see where the Chippewa may have gotten its roots from.

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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #7 on: 04 April 2011, 06:00:08 »
It raises the question - If the Typhoon had little armour, and the Chippewa had less. What will the Chippewas succession carry?

My guess is four improved heavy gauss rifles and no armour.
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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #8 on: 04 April 2011, 08:13:36 »
This thing is a flying deathtrap and was quickly replaced in front-line service by the Thunderbird, a much saner, more survivable, more well-rounded fighter.  The TFN-5H is a demonstration that some dogs can't learn new tricks.

It raises the question - If the Typhoon had little armour, and the Chippewa had less. What will the Chippewas succession carry?

I'm pretty sure it'll look exactly like an Eisensturm, but there's a chance it'll be the advanced variants of the Thunderbird or just maybe the new Morgenstern.  The Lyrans appear to be backing away from the deathtraps as their primary heavy birds.

Oddly, all of these things other than the Chippewa are built by Lockheed and/or CBM.

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Re: Fighter of the Week, Issue #051 (repost) - Typhoon
« Reply #9 on: 09 April 2011, 17:36:03 »
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I'm pretty sure it'll look exactly like an Eisensturm, but there's a chance it'll be the advanced variants of the Thunderbird or just maybe the new Morgenstern.  The Lyrans appear to be backing away from the deathtraps as their primary heavy birds.


In alot of ways the Eisnesturm is the Typhoon A done right, cool running ballistic weapon backed up by a potent energy weapon.

I did post a couple of ideas about fixing the lvl1 Typhoon in the workshop thread.  I like the Typhoon A better than the Chippewa for no other reason that I found it easier to fix:P