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’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« on: 08 May 2015, 12:19:22 »
’Mech of the Week: Icestorm

Icestorm. A storm where the moisture in the air first melts, then refreezes as it hits ground surfaces. Or a storm of pounding hail. The former being the type that hit Montreal around the turn of the millennium (and also was the subject of an episode of Perfect Disasters), the latter being of the type that turned back an English raiding party during the Hundred Years War (at least according to a book on Natural Disasters I own).

Also the name of a 25-ton BattleMech created by the Ice Hellions.

The Icestorm is covered in Technical Readout: 3060.

The basis of the Icestorm is a late Star League design called the Cameroon. As of this point, we have no real information on this design, though I suspect it was fast and lightly armored. (I will note that a direct conversion to Inner Sphere technology only needs to find a half ton somewhere to cut.) Every prototype and early model of the Cameroon was taken on the Exodus. When the Founder created the Clans, he gifted every Cameroon left to the Ice Hellions.

Khan Stephan Cage (based on how the typical Ice Hellion acted, probably a descendant of Johnny) recognized the design as being viable, and had it built-up. Somewhere in there Clan technology came into use, and the design was renamed the Icestorm.

Officially entering service in 2830, the Icestorm uses a standard frame, and mounts a 300-rated extralight engine to give the design speeds comparable to the much later LCT-5M Locust. Three and a half tons of standard plate give the design 62% of maximum protection, laid out in a 6, 8/2, 6/1, 6, 7 pattern (head, center front/rear, side front/rear, arms, legs respectively). A medium laser was mounted in the right arm and a 2-pack SRM launcher was placed in the head. A ton of SRM ammunition is stored in the right torso, and a target acquisition unit is placed in the center torso.

The Icestorm was likely the fastest design in existence until the advent of the Fire Moth in 2874, and remained almost the sole property of Clan Ice Hellion for a time. The only other Clan that acquired a sizable number was Clan Wolf, which may have happened as late as the Hellions’ Fury. Both sides of the Wolf split retained some.

The Wolves appear to be the source of the lone variant, the Icestorm 2, which arrived in 3068. The first modification is the use of ferro-fibrous armor, which adds two more points to the center front, three to each side front, and one to each leg. The TAG unit was replaced with a light-class version, and the SRM pack was swapped for an extended-model flamer. The medium laser became a heavy-model, and an additional heavy-class medium was placed in the right torso.

When the Jihad ended, the Republic acquired both models, though in what numbers is a bit vague.

Using one is relatively simple. One should use your speed to make it hard for your opponent to hit you, while moving in to strike unprotected flanks. You can also use the TAG to call-in friendly LRM and artillery fire (something likely used in the beginning of its service, and now in more recent times).

Fighting one is a bit trickier. Their speed makes it hard to hit them, though if you do manage to connect, you could cripple him. That said, if you do knock him down, or if he trips, make sure to pound him while you have the opportunity. As for the rest of the time, use of pulse weaponry, targeting computers, and cluster ammunition helps. If you somehow manage to light him up with a TAG of your own, landing a few LRMs can be helpful, too. As for the Icestorm’s own TAG unit, having ECM helps jam the homing beacons in the incoming ammunition.

The Icestorm is still being used (as far as I know) in the Dark Age era. As the Clans are loathe to just scrap any BattleMechs they have that they aren’t using, it is likely that the Wolves, at least, left a few Brian Caches with them in their zones. With the non-Exiles, hopefully they remembered to empty them first.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #1 on: 08 May 2015, 18:18:40 »
One point- ECM does nothing against any sort of TAG directed munitions.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #2 on: 08 May 2015, 20:38:52 »
Good write up, you've gotten the strengths right. I've used the Icestorm a couple of times and as long as the TAG and speed is a factor it's a terror.

The thing is without those it's far too fragile and poorly armed to be anything more than a distraction, it's a very specialised unit and one I find hard to reconcile with Clan combat doctrine.

Still, I love the concept and wouldn't mind giving the 2 a go just because it's got more sting.

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« Reply #3 on: 09 May 2015, 01:03:59 »
Good write up of a rarely seen mech :)
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« Reply #4 on: 09 May 2015, 07:02:10 »
Is there a mini for this thing?
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #6 on: 09 May 2015, 07:23:27 »
Nice write up I'm personally surprised it's still going in the DA the Hellions are gone and I've never seen the Wolves as a sentimental type it's too specialised to keep in a downsized military maybe they mothballed all of them until the DA then lacking factories they re activated them either way if you have artty nice addition
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #7 on: 09 May 2015, 18:18:33 »
Given how badly the Wolves got screwed over in the reavings, the Jihad and the subsequent wars with the Horses, they were porbably not in a position to disregard any 'Mech. Especially when you consider that their manufacturing capabilities were essentially destroyed and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #8 on: 10 May 2015, 16:35:40 »
One point- ECM does nothing against any sort of TAG directed munitions.

From what I remember, the ECM bubble will jam the homing thing in the ammunition. At least every time someone ever tried to use TAG-guided munitions at a table I've been at, have had them stop working when they approached the ECMed target.

Which really sucked for the guys lobbing that artillery...

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #9 on: 10 May 2015, 17:02:47 »
There's nothing in TW that says that ECM affects TAG (infact, there's a line that states ECM doesn't affect TAG specifically), and nothing in TO in the artillery section or ammo section (Where the rules for Homing rounds are) that mentions ECM.

Unless I'm missing something obvious :)

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #10 on: 10 May 2015, 17:08:16 »
Guess the Wolves need to replace their Ice Boxs and Phantoms...
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #11 on: 10 May 2015, 17:12:12 »
Given how badly the Wolves got screwed over in the reavings, the Jihad and the subsequent wars with the Horses, they were porbably not in a position to disregard any 'Mech. Especially when you consider that their manufacturing capabilities were essentially destroyed and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up

Yet they allowed a Galaxy to stay in the Republic  ::)
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #12 on: 10 May 2015, 17:45:55 »
Yet they allowed a Galaxy to stay in the Republic  ::)
Someone mentioned that the Galaxy was made up of allot of Warden that Vlad may have wanted to get rid of one way or another.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #13 on: 10 May 2015, 18:05:23 »
Someone mentioned that the Galaxy was made up of allot of Warden that Vlad may have wanted to get rid of one way or another.

Kinda makes sense from a Crusader perspective funny that their descendants become a royal pain in the Republics rectum

And I guess we Wardens any replacement tech assigned to them during the Jihad might be old second line stuff like the Icestorm leading to them landing in Republic hands if I'd thought about that before it would have all made sense  :))
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #14 on: 10 May 2015, 19:39:05 »
From what I remember, the ECM bubble will jam the homing thing in the ammunition. At least every time someone ever tried to use TAG-guided munitions at a table I've been at, have had them stop working when they approached the ECMed target.

Which really sucked for the guys lobbing that artillery...

Having not met them, I will not accuse your gaming buddies of being cheating liars. Instead, I will simply refer to them as greatly misinformed.

No ECM of any kind will do anything to TAG, or to anything that homes in on it. ECM versus TAG is about as effective as ECM vs Erinyes-chucked giant rock.
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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #15 on: 10 May 2015, 19:54:59 »
Having not met them, I will not accuse your gaming buddies of being cheating liars. Instead, I will simply refer to them as greatly misinformed.

No ECM of any kind will do anything to TAG, or to anything that homes in on it. ECM versus TAG is about as effective as ECM vs Erinyes-chucked giant rock.

Understood. Though, in their defense, we were applying logic (if Narc and Artemis are jammed, why would homing missiles/artillery not be?). Though I realize what they say about logic and BattleTech...

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #16 on: 10 May 2015, 20:44:16 »
ECM operates on a different wavelength than TAG.  Arrow IV Homing rounds are effectively laser-guided missiles, while ECM jams radio waves.
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« Reply #17 on: 11 May 2015, 15:34:02 »
ECM operates on a different wavelength than TAG.  Arrow IV Homing rounds are effectively laser-guided missiles, while ECM jams radio waves.

Wait! Reflective armor should force the missile to attack the unit that fired the TAG beam then!  ;D

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« Reply #18 on: 11 May 2015, 16:30:08 »
Wait! Reflective armor should force the missile to attack the unit that fired the TAG beam then!  ;D

Naw, see TAG is the half of the laser beam that the armor doesn't reflect.

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #19 on: 12 May 2015, 01:30:56 »
Nah. Reflective armor clearly should give TAG-guided ammo of any kind a to-hit bonus because it shines more prettily than other types when "painted". ;)

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Re: ’Mech of the Week: Icestorm
« Reply #20 on: 12 May 2015, 09:20:37 »
OK, ok. Thoughts on the Icestorm (never used the newer version, just the old standby)

First, one of the least appealing miniatures in the line. I always hate a light Mech designed for flat-out speed above all else to be in a standing ramrod-straight pose. I do own an Icestorm, and have no interest in getting another.  #P

Now. If you like the Fire Moth, this is more of the same- blinding fast, surprisingly solid punch for its size (hey, I mean, it's a Clan ER medium!), crumples if hit by anything heavier than hurled marshmallows. It's not a bad ride for second-line formations- able to quickly ferret out enemy forces and call it in- if you play double-blind games in Megamek, it's very handy in that role, though it's best to not get attached to them. Find the enemy and RUN LIKE HELL now that you know where they are- let the bigger stuff handle the problem.

That TAG though? Now that I know where the trouble spot is, most super-fast scouts like this have done their job and are utilized now as harassers or clean-up vulture jobs like finishing off damaged targets. Here? You're already second-line dezgra, might as well call in the Arrow rounds! Disgusting by Clan standards, yes, but useful if you're already at that point in terms of honor- wait until the rounds are going to be overhead, move the Icestorm last, bum-rush a target at full speed and zap him... and watch as the enemy commander ceases to exist under a pile of cruise missile goodness. Mmmmm, like grandma used to make.

So... really, a good dual-purpose light Mech that deserves more respect. Inner Sphere forces would be totally emo for the Icestorm- can you imagine FWL formations with a couple of these backed by LRM boats? Screw the Eagle.
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