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(Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« on: 23 July 2016, 01:47:27 »
CTF-XX Cataphract

Background

What started off as a FrankenMech would become one of the more common Mech’s of its time.  Built and designed and seen as a great advance because it was one of the first new Mech’s designed and built in the Inner Sphere since the start of the First Succession War the Cataphract initially entered service with its designers hated rivals.

Always on the short end of the economic and industrial stick the Capellan Confederation set on building a new Mech prior to what would be known as the Fourth Succession War.  With their limited industrial base, the designers who were tasked with building a new heavy Mech worked with what they had. 

And it was a real Frankenstein’s Monster.  Built using parts from the Marauder (right arm and leg assembly) Shadow Hawk (computer systems) and Phoenix Hawk (left arm) all meshed together on a 70 tonne chassis.  Somehow the hodgepodge of parts all actually talked with one another and the design was a success. 

But fate, a cunning troll of a Fox and a Mad Max (flung/stolen cutlery and all) had other plans in mind for the Cataphract.  Just as it was starting to walk off the production lines a Wild 4th Succession War Appeared and unfortunately for House Liao, it was SUPER effective.  The world of Tikonov where the Cataphract was being produced fell into the hands of Federated Suns forces and in an insult to already grievous injury the Fed-Suns forces saw the Cataphract went “Me likey!” and made it their own. 

It took the Capellan’s until 3032 to get their own factory up after building the production line from the ground up to make the Cataphract for their own armed forces.

When the Clan’s came a calling as well as the advancements of the Helm Memory Core the Cataphract saw a few changes here and there whilst whatever available Mech’s were thrown into the Clan meat grinder, trying to clog the tracks of the invaders war machine with the corpses of destroyed Mech’s. 

As technology advanced the Cataphract saw more than a few variants, but its use does seem to have waned over the years, perhaps not fitting with the Xing Sheng movement although House Davion continued to produce it, although with the Capellan advances in the 3100’s and the sheer number of worlds lost, it may no longer be produced by the Davion’s.

Design

I’ll design the BASIC Cataphract here, the 1X, the Catty goes through a fair few changes internally and with its armour layout and I’d be here for a week of Monday’s describing them all.

Built pre-Helm Memory Core, the Cataphract uses nothing advanced in its construction…well…apart from one variant who will be discussed below.  Standard engine, standard structure and armour and normal flavoured heat sinks.  Primitive by today’s standards but the Mech being ‘new’ (even if it was made from parts of other Mech’s) was ground breaking just because it was a new design after a period of HUGE stagnation.

Built round a 280 rated engine the Cataphract can reach the standard speed of heavy Mech’s of the time, 64 kph, without difficulty, it lacked jump jets but then again so did many machines in its weight class at that period. 

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Whilst not overly fast, or a huge ‘tank’ with very thick protection the Cataphract was built to engage enemies at all ranges and it had heavy firepower, favouring a punch over speed and protection.

Variants

CTF-1X – The pappy of the family and as described above, a simple machine by modern standards, but still formidable enough that you’d not want to discount it, even today in a universe of Clan ER PPC’s.  In its ‘borrowed’ Marauder right arm the 1X mounts the classic PPC and Medium laser combo (in an identical mounting none the less) whilst in the right torso a hard hitting AC-10 is mounted, fed by two tonnes of ammo.  A medium laser lives in the left arm, whilst the rear arcs are covered by a pair of medium lasers, one in each side torso.  Very much a generalist the 1X is best off at medium to short ranges whilst using the PPC on the way in to soften up a target.  It’s generally very reliable, it’s got the punch of a Warhammer or Marauder but is 5 tonnes lighter.  Nor does it suffer quite so badly from the heat woes that plagued those machines and with 16 heatsinks you can afford to be rather liberal with its firepower without melting the Mech’s primary structural bones.

CFX-0X – A bit of an enigma, I’m not sure if this came before the 1X or not, the designation indicates it may well have.  The Capellans ‘thing’ seems to be EW and of course (all be it later) Stealth.  And it got a good start with the introduction of their Raven light Mech and the CFX-0X.  Both Mech’s used home-made ‘communications equipment’ to help friendly forces and act as a force multiplier.  Totting a hefty 7.5 of EW equipment did mean that something had to go and out went the AC-10 and the rear mounted lasers.  But an AC-5 was added, as was, rather usefully a remote sensor dispenser on the back of the Mech, giving it an ‘eyes on the ground’ feature that other Stellar Nations lacked at the time.
The 0X was a nasty surprise for some units but the difficulty and expense of making the EW equipment meant that the 0X never went into full scale production and would remain a prototype.

CTF-2X – More a-mid to short range brawler the 2X removes the (rather hard to maintain) PPC and replaces it with a large laser.  Both medium lasers are also removed, the combined weight saved turned into a SRM-4 in the left arm.  Thankfully the rear firing lasers are moved to fire forwards and the AC-10 is retained, now with an extra tonne of ammo.  Structural changes also include another two tonnes of needed armour, but at the cost of a pair of heatsinks (taking it to 14).  Whilst arguably better at short ranges and with some crit seeking abilities the 1X lacks; the 2X is a good partner to field alongside the 1X and other Mech’s.

CTF-3D – Whilst both the 1 and 2X went into Davion service their own take on the Mech came with the slow spread of the Helm Memory core’s data.  House Davion has a serious thing for auto-cannons (possibly up to and including selling pictures of a bare barrel and breech draped alluringly over the flattened hood of a car) and addiction came out to play with the 3D.

Out goes the PPC and in goes a newly developed Ultra AC-5 fed buy a simply inadequate 1 tonne of ammo.  The old AC-10 is replaced by the new LB-10X with an adequate 2 tonnes of ammo, whilst the four medium lasers are retained in their arm and rear torso mountings. 
The Davion engineer’s also added jump jets capable of throwing the 3D into 120-meter-long leaps whilst cooling remained the same with 16 standard heatsinks whilst CASE was also fitted.  Of course this all weighs a LOT, so something had to be changed and that is the engine.  A then new XL engine is fitted.  Whilst with 3 tonnes of ammo on-board there’s obvious risks of an explosion killing the Mech’s engine but this is what is needed to fit all the improvements made. 
The 3D is a good solid machine, personally I’m not sold on the UAC over the PPC but that’s just me.  Otherwise it’s a fairly good 3055 era machine, not stricken with the usual issues that affected many of the urgent refits of the period (over/undersinking, the Panther…etc).  Its biggest flaw though is that some of the armour is also shaved off, and the protection is removed from the already weak legs until a ER PPC and small laser hit would strip them bare.

CTF-3L – What’s yours is mine and is mine once more!!  Based on plans of the 3D that were ‘borrowed’ by operatives of House Liao the 3L is the Capellan’s take on a more modern Cataphract.  Really it’s a 1X just updated.  It show’s its 3D heritage with its 280 rated XL engine, but adds MASC for short bursts up to 86kph.  The weapons are altered but again, it’s a spruced up 1X.  The PPC is now an ER PPC whilst the LB-10 is retained for a mean 1-2 combo.  Out go the standard medium lasers, in go a quartet of medium pulse lasers for short ranged saturation fire.  What to say really, it’s a 1X but with a new lick of paint.  Oh! And double heatsinks, sixteen of them.  So as an upgrade of the 1X it is solid and dependable, but those pulse lasers have a woefully short range, meaning you’ll probably want to use MASC to get in their effective range.  Both the 3L and LL have the same armour layout as the 3D;

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CTF-3LL – Seemingly a field refit that became popular, the LL pulls the ER PPC out and replaces it with the Capellans new toy, the Plasma Rifle.  This gun is fed by a generous 3 tonnes of ammo but to support the weight, the forwards medium pulse lasers were replaced with ER Mediums.  This is a mean variant, again it’s basically a 1X/3L but the added range of the ER mediums and the heat adding shenanigans of the plasma rifle make this a more dangerous brawler. 

CTF-4L – If the Capellans could grind up stealth armour and turn it into a sweet powdered confectionary they would.  It’s a Liao Mech and of course, this means there’s a stealth version.  Going back to a standard 280 rated engine the 4L is liberally slathered in 13.5 tonnes of Stealth Armour.  To make it all work a Guardian ECM is added and the weapons mix is seriously re-done.  To take advantage of the Stealth armour’s capabilities the 4L is meant to strike at long range.  And with an ER PPC and Gauss Rifle it can certainly can!  Ammo is a bit limited and to save weight the rear firing weapons are gone and the front firing ER medium lasers are retained.  Like all stealth boats the 4L’s job is to keep back and hammer away, whilst it will run hot, you can do a 2-1-2 firing pattern with the PPC and gauss.

CTF-4X – Oddly enough an older design that came into existence when Tikonov was captured by House Davion forces, the 4X never became popular.  That was until special munitions like AP or precision ammo was developed and then it started being produced, many years after it was developed.  The big change is the engine, dropping down to 56kph the 4X is slow for a heavy.  Whilst it retains the 2X’s large laser, everything else is gone.  In their place go a pair of AC-5’s with generous ammo bins and a LRM-5, the only LRM and indirect fire weapon mounted on any Cataphract variant.  Now I’m not sure about this.  In essence it’s a fire support unit but the AC-5’s doesn’t hit hard, special ammo or no.  And at 56kph you can’t run and you’re easy to hit with a fair few assaults able to move faster than you.  Armour does go up and the 4 tonnes of ammo for the AC’s is lovely, but this is still verrrrry slow.

CTF-5D – Speaking of auto-cannons.  House Davion’s latest obsession in the post-Civil War era focused on two things.  RAC’s for BRRRRRRT!!!!! Fun and LAC’s for…err…um….reasons?  Powered by a 280 Light engine as well as a full rack of improved jump jets for 180 meter leaps the 5D is pretty agile for a 70 tonner.  With standard armour and bones the 5D also has a small cockpit to save weight.  But where it fails is the guns (in my opinion).  The Plasma rifle it tots is nice, who don’t like a PPC that causes heat to the baddies?  But a LAC-5 with a measly 1 tonne of ammo as the other ‘main’ weapon simply does not cut the mustard.  A pair of ER Mediums cover the final ranges and combined hit harder than the AC :s.  I’m not a fan of this one as you may tell, whilst it has agility, the firepower is very very lacking for a 70 tonner.  Whilst the Plasma rifle has 2 tonnes of ammo the LAC only has 1 and this means you really can’t take advantage of the flexibility offered by the advanced ammo types you could fit. 

Thoughts

The Cataphract is a pretty decent general purpose trooper no matter the era with a few bits of spicy chorizo thrown in there.  The 0X is a nice force multiplier for its era and makes a fine command Mech too (and indeed it was its intended role).  The 4L is your typical Cappie stealth boat and must be used as such but its ability to reach out and ‘touch’ someone at long range give it one hell of a slap.  The others except the 5D are solid troopers whilst the 4X is the weird and eccentric one who wears a bow tie and carries a cane.  The only dog’s egg in my opinion is the 5D which does not know what its doing and makes some bad life choices with its weapons mix.  Killing one is simply a matter of pounding it apart.  The Cataphract family as a whole is generally a bit light on protection and the 3D has a vulnerable XL engine, but otherwise, they are simple machines with few modern parts and no easy to hit XL engines and the like. This means you have to pound them to bits rather than just smash a torso in. 


http://www.sarna.net/wiki/images/e/ea/3050_Cataphract.jpg  - bloody huge image so I'll not show that one to save mobile users.





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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #1 on: 23 July 2016, 02:15:59 »
My inner grognard makes me a huge fan of the CTF-2X. It speaks to my soul and attempts to seduce it.
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #2 on: 23 July 2016, 05:06:59 »
You've nailed the strengths of the1X perfectly. In a 3025 era game it's quite the contender. Not as powerful or versatile as some, but a solid generalist I've even managed to put up against Clan designs with surprising degrees of success.

The variants. . . yeah. Some advantages, as pointed out, but always with enough vulnerabilities that there's little to really recommend them in the modern setting. At least that's my experience.

Out of curiosity does anyone know how the Davions are making 5Ds? Field refits, surplus chassis, a pre-Gurerro licensed factory?

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« Reply #3 on: 23 July 2016, 06:23:14 »
A good brawler. Enough armor and firepower to fight in a line, while having good mobility for post-Helm variants allows it to retreat or surprise the enemy. Something of a jack of all trades for sure though. Very Capellan design really, like the Vindicator, the Cataphract can be used in just about any kind of lance.

I would assume the IJJ Davion variant is a refit, the Davions never constructed any other variants even while ruling Tikonov. It is curious they never updated the 3D while still owing the factory. No RAC variant, no DHS addition, nothing. Of course, Davions do have their Falconers and Thanatos, which are kinda similar while the Cataphract was mostly a Capellan March design if i reall correctly, so it could be that FedSuns simply saw no point in investing in an updated design.

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« Reply #4 on: 23 July 2016, 07:02:37 »
I'd say the Davion's concentrated on the real 'variant' they made. The Ceasar which was a bare faced clone of the Cattlefrak. 
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« Reply #5 on: 23 July 2016, 08:20:34 »
I've always enjoyed the Cataphract.  I've used the -1X and -2X liberally in games because while not as fear inspiring as the classic Whammy or MAD, they're really solid troopers that get stuff done.  As for the post Helm variants, I literally cannot speak to them because I have never in my life played one.
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« Reply #6 on: 23 July 2016, 10:12:51 »
I'd say the Davion's concentrated on the real 'variant' they made. The Ceasar which was a bare faced clone of the Cattlefrak.
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« Reply #7 on: 23 July 2016, 14:04:35 »
My favorite is the -1X even in modern games, as it's a staple heavy mech when I run the Marian Legions(and yes, they pair well with Centurions). I'll give the -3D a go when running one of the better-supplied Legions, or 3050s/60s-era Northwind Highlanders that would likely have access to the upgraded Tikonov line.

Great article, thanks! Do you plan to cover any of the unique Phracts?
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« Reply #8 on: 23 July 2016, 15:09:49 »
The Cataphract is always the first Mech that jumps into my mind when I think of the Cappies (I try to pretend the FedSuns didn't make it).  I LOVE this Mech.
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« Reply #9 on: 23 July 2016, 15:48:21 »
I genuinely dislike the -1X.  It's a Heavy 'Mech with the armor of a Medium 'Mech, and it commits the cardinal sin of having weaker torso armor than even its arms.  Also not a huge fan of rear mounted weapons, or the relatively low amount of ammo it has for its AC/10.  Or the way 80% of its offensive potential can be removed by hitting the right torso for barely 30 points of damage, if the ammo bin doesn't explode and kill the 'Mech outright.  Definitely not a favorite.

If it weren't for the ammo bomb waiting to happen on the -2X, I'd prefer it in every single way.  As is, I prefer it merely in most ways.
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« Reply #10 on: 23 July 2016, 15:52:15 »
I kinda like the 0X, myself. I haven't actually played with it yet (or, in fact, much Battletech at all), but I really like the idea of C3 lances, ECM, and electronic warfare. I don't know how well they work in the rules, but I'm looking forward to finding out!

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« Reply #11 on: 23 July 2016, 16:11:42 »
The grandfather (AFAIK) of the paired ballistic/energy main gun heavies, an archetype I have an inexplicable fondness for.

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« Reply #12 on: 23 July 2016, 17:10:07 »
I hate that the CapCon, my least favorite faction, gets so many 'Mechs that I like:  Raven, Vindicator, Catapult, Cataphract.   >:(

It's a nice 'Mech in all of its configurations IMO.  I've used the 4L in some games recently and it's likely my favorite variant at this point.
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« Reply #13 on: 23 July 2016, 17:18:18 »
i'm surprised that the CapCon never did an updated -0X post-clans. replicating the EW gear with ECM and active probe systems (or even going one better and using Angel ECM and Bloodhound Active probe to get even better EW capability.

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« Reply #14 on: 23 July 2016, 22:08:06 »
It seems to have just slowly fallen out of favour, perhaps because it was viewed as 'tainted' by being captured by the Liao's enemy and put into production by them? Or that generally superior machines came along and basically replaced it.  It also may not fit into the Xing Sheng asthetic.
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« Reply #15 on: 23 July 2016, 23:55:11 »
It seems to have just slowly fallen out of favour, perhaps because it was viewed as 'tainted' by being captured by the Liao's enemy and put into production by them? Or that generally superior machines came along and basically replaced it.  It also may not fit into the Xing Sheng asthetic.

After all, why use a Frankenmech when you can make genuinely crafted Mechs?

That said, I think it says something of STL's opinion of the Mech that he gifted his wife a customized version of it, as opposed to something like a Yu Huang or Jinngau (which I probably misspelled) or some other flagship Xing Sheng design.
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« Reply #16 on: 24 July 2016, 01:25:55 »
I hate that the CapCon, my least favorite faction, gets so many 'Mechs that I like:  Raven, Vindicator, Catapult, Cataphract.   >:(

Yeah. My opinion exactly. Detest the Capellans... and annoyed they get so many 'Mechs that I like. Raven, Vindicator, Catapult, Cataphract, Firebee, the list goes on.

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« Reply #17 on: 24 July 2016, 01:28:22 »
Play the NWH. All the fun of Liao gear(either old chassis or salvage), plus the fun of betraying them in their darkest hour! O0
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« Reply #18 on: 24 July 2016, 01:32:00 »
Play the NWH. All the fun of Liao gear(either old chassis or salvage), plus the fun of betraying them in their darkest hour! O0

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« Reply #19 on: 24 July 2016, 02:54:54 »
The CTF-5MOC Cataphract Naomi is a solid 'Mech. Its not a zombie with its XL engine, but it doesn't have anything to go boom on it either. It uses its compact Gyro well, freeing up crit space that it uses efficiently, rather than being tossed on as an after thought. The HPPC and Plasma Rifle combo is a little hot with the Stealth armor, but 15 DHS allow you to keep going, as long as you don't mind staggering your shooting a bit. Some secondary lasers are good when the Plasma Rifle runs out of ammo, or you need to cool down a bit, and as a Periphery touch, the 4 RL10s let you put a surprising amount of hurt on someone in a single turn.

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« Reply #20 on: 24 July 2016, 04:00:21 »
Personally I like the CTF-3X Cataphract Sara, in many ways its what I would expect out of a FedSuns Cataphract in the Civil War era. ERLL, RAC/5, Streak-4, 2 ER Medium Lasers, 14 DHS, Near Max FF Armor, Standard Structure, Standard Engine. CASE.

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« Reply #21 on: 24 July 2016, 09:19:39 »
It seems to have just slowly fallen out of favour, perhaps because it was viewed as 'tainted' by being captured by the Liao's enemy and put into production by them? Or that generally superior machines came along and basically replaced it.  It also may not fit into the Xing Sheng asthetic.

After all, why use a Frankenmech when you can make genuinely crafted Mechs?

That said, I think it says something of STL's opinion of the Mech that he gifted his wife a customized version of it, as opposed to something like a Yu Huang or Jinngau (which I probably misspelled) or some other flagship Xing Sheng design.

At the time they started production, well beggars couldn't be choosers.  The CapCon had a very limited amount of mech production facilities that remained under their control between losses to the Davions in the Fourth Succession Wars, and St. Ives' succession.

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« Reply #22 on: 24 July 2016, 10:51:24 »
Like the Cataphract . . . wish the Marians got rights to start producing their own version, something between the -1X and the -3D.  I do, if it could not be told, prefer the looks of the MWO model for the more modern variants.

I had the -3LL used against me on a MM server, where I really came to appreciate it because of its ability to contribute to combined arms play.  The LBX to deal with vehicles, VTOLs and Aero while the Plasma Rifle melts BA and infantry . . . and both weapons have a solid punch for mech to mech combat.  Its extremely mobile as well, which opens up tactical options if its in a lance of just 4/6'ers- for me it fills the spot when I would occasionally put a 5/8 or 6/9 machine into a heavy lance to be a flanker.  It quickly got added to my merc's wish list for when they can acquire one (or even become aware of it).

Never used the others but the -4L is a typical 60s Cappies design . . . the -5D, I agree is greatly under-armed.  Generally because the range of 15 I like the Plasma on something that can move further than 6 hexes at need- this thing screams LEMON!

Sort of surprised we do not get a Dark Age version mimic of the Carronade or at least a -5L replacing the standard gauss with Silver Bullet.
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« Reply #23 on: 24 July 2016, 22:19:19 »
Yeah. My opinion exactly. Detest the Capellans... and annoyed they get so many 'Mechs that I like. Raven, Vindicator, Catapult, Cataphract, Firebee, the list goes on.

Huron Warrior, too, which is a pretty hard-hitting medium.  At least there's a -M variant so I can take one without resorting to "salvage" claims.
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #24 on: 25 July 2016, 08:41:59 »
Huron Warrior, too, which is a pretty hard-hitting medium.  At least there's a -M variant so I can take one without resorting to "salvage" claims.

While an "M", it's still a Cappie version. They just got lazy and chose the next letter after "L".
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #25 on: 25 July 2016, 09:25:17 »
The Cataphract strikes me as a Third SW Thunderbolt. I can almost hear the design brief: "Build a good multirole unit that won't break the bank and uses existing components."

Seriously the first generation can easily engage and hang with the heavier units of the FWLM and it has enough armor to face off with the faster units of the AFFS.
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #26 on: 25 July 2016, 09:56:48 »
Was the article tone etc alright? Not too little or too much information and did it flow well without being "I'mma copy the stuff from the TRO's."
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #27 on: 25 July 2016, 10:40:10 »
Absolutely!  The write-up and evaluation is good enough that really all I can do is chime in and say "What he said...".   O0

I've liked the look of the Cataphract ever since first seeing it in the House Liao book over 20 years ago.  It had that cobbled together FrankenMech look, but also looks sort of menacing in a "git yer pitchfork, the Cappies done been tamperin' with the natural order of things agin'" way. 
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #28 on: 25 July 2016, 10:47:40 »
You know, I have not looked . . . did MWO make the Marauder arms look like the right arm of the Cataphract and the Shadow Hawk arms look like the left arm?
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Re: (Slightly delayed) Mech of the week - Cataphract
« Reply #29 on: 25 July 2016, 11:38:17 »
not exactly.
Cataphract: http://i.imgur.com/d9QzzIT.jpg
Marauder: http://nogutsnogalaxy.net/images/marauder/marauder-3xac2.jpg
Shadow Hawk: http://mwocasual.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/ShadowHawk-Feature.png

the marauder looks close enough you could argue it's just a different armor shell. hard to see the shadowhawk arm similarity at all. then again, the Battletech art tends to be the same way. even more so now that we have the Classics.


also, are we going to get reviews of the Custom Cataphracts, like the George, Sara, and Naomi?
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